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Silly women and ever learning to me equals the Wild eyed young College educated women who scream and yell with protesters in the BLM movement. You can't reason with them. It's sad...I really think we're there!

I need a short summary of Job 14 for discussion on tomorrow morning. thanks

Bob, I have one more question for you. Is your faith "lukewarm?"

Bob,

Please do not twist my words to make it look like I believe the Lord is a polygamist. Have I ever heard of the bride of Christ? Of course I have. And I never said there is no mention of the church after Revelation Chapter 3. Please read my post carefully before twisting my words. The church is mentioned in Chapter 19. We are the ones who will be clothed in white garments, the garments of a bride. I find the 7 steps of a Jewish wedding quite fascinating with how it parallels Christ coming for His bride. You may not find it fascinating as you seem to be completely against all things Jewish. Can you show me where in Chapters 3 through 18 the church or the phrase "bride of Christ" is mentioned? If you can show me that, perhaps I might be persuaded to at least rethink my position. Also, since you believe the church has to go through the tribulation, what will the role of the church be during this time?

You say believing Christians are called saints at times? I'm not sure what you are getting at. I know every born again believer is a saint. I became a saint the moment I received Christ. I am a saint by calling. Christ called me and I responded to the call and I received Christ. So I am a saint. It has nothing to do with my human performance. I am a saint because God has set me apart for His purpose. That's what a saint is. The words holy, saint, set apart, sanctified, and sanctification all come from the same word, Hagios.

The church will not be overcome by the Antichrist because the church will not be here. There will be people getting saved during the tribulation and they will be put to death for it. I guess you can say they will be overcome because being beheaded sounds like being overcome to me. They were not part of the church at the start of the tribulation, and the church does not enter into the tribulation. They went into the tribulation as non-believers and refused the mark and received Christ after being warned by guess who? Jews, 144,000 of them!

Jessie there is not mention of the church after revelation 3? Have you not heard of the bride of Christ?

There is no separate Jewish bride and a different Christian bride. There is only one bride and the Lord is not a polygamist with multiple brides. Believing Christians are called saints at times. If you do not see the church it is because you are not looking for her. The Church is going to be overcome in the flesh by the antichrist and be purified of her lukewarm faith.

Bendito Palavra, Amen!

There is no mention of the church during the tribulation time frame from Revelation Chapter 3 through Chapter 19. I see no mention of the church until I get to Chapter 19 of Revelation. The church will be in heaven while chaos is happening here on the earth. We are the ones in Chapter 19 who will be clothed in white garments at this wedding that is taking place prior to Christ's second coming. Chapter 19 also tells us that at Christ's second coming, we (the church) come with Him.

Noah and his family entered into an ark of safety prepared for them before the flood, effectively removed from the then world's destruction. Later, they were restored to a new beginning. Jesus has gone to prepare a place for his people.

Lot and his daughters were removed to safety from Sodom before the LORD rained brimstone and fire on the cities. Sadly his wife looked back.

Our word "rapture" is derived from the Latin "rapiemur", used in the Vulgate translation of 1 Thessalonians 4:17 for "caught up" or "snatched away".

Enoch is our prototype for rapture in Genesis 5:24 and Hebrews 11:5 (translated that he should not see death...).

Another precedent: 2 Kings Chapter 2 tells us of Elijah being taken to heaven by a whirlwind in a chariot of fire.

Song of Solomon Chapter 2 relates a king calling his bride to come away with him from her hidden place, much as we can imagine Christ calling his Church out of this world.

!st Corinthians 15:51-52 declares the mystery that some will not sleep (bodily death), then promises all of us will be changed into the incorruptible and immortal.

Truly no man knows the day or hour, but the book of Revelation does not mention the Church on earth beyond the third chapter. In Revelation 7:9 an innumerable multitude of the saved out of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues stand before the throne praising God. After this the wrath of God falls upon the inhabitants of the earth, which wrath the Church is not appointed to (1-Thessalonians 5:9).

These few verses let's us know if we truly love and personally, know the Lord Jesus as Savior or if not, we are found liars: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." 1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Just curious why you believe the antichrists are Israel?

Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (ALL Jews deny Jesus and that makes them antichrist, if they believed in Jesus then they would be CHRISTIANS. IF you do not believe me call any Synagogue and ask the Rabbi or them if Jesus is the Messiah.)

1 John 2:23 - Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah, then who is their messiah?

1 Corinthians 16:22 - If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema (CURSED) Maranatha.

DO JEWS LOVE JESUS OR ARE THEY CURSED?

Please explain how these get saved without Jesus? I am curious

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

AMEN!

I so appreciate your list of hymns!

I have chill bumps. The Holy Spirit lifted my soul. I know every song on your list. It is the hymns we sang in our youth, hidden in our hearts. Sing each often. God Be With Us, Always.

Terri, so, so True. How a Church Service is enriched in unanimous voice & praise when suddenly an old hymn has been dug out & brought into the light of glorious worship of our God. Sadly, most of these hymns are kept hidden away so as to cater for other people's preferences.

Some of the hymns that are particularly meaningful to me: Holy, Holy Holy; Be Thou my vision; Rock of Ages; It is well with my soul; Blessed Assurance; The old Rugged Cross; To God be the Glory; What a Friend we have in Jesus; I come to the Garden alone; At the Cross; Jesus paid it all; Crown Him with many Crowns; The Battle Hymn of the Republic; I love to tell the Story; Standing on the Promises; I am Thine O Lord; Great is Thy Faithfulness; When I survey the Wondrous Cross; Sweet hour of Prayer; When we all get to Heaven; I will sing the wondrous Story; Living He loved me (with old tune); are just a few. Even when I think of just one stanza of these hymns, a tear comes to my eye because of its richness & some written from deep personal experiences. And this is the more special to me as I recall, when on the mission field & had no one with me or a Fellowship to attend, my prayer time was made even more special when singing these hymns, albeit with a less than satisfactory voice & no musical accompaniment. How blessed we are to have these hymns that helps keep our focus directly upon the Lord.

AMEN!! Traditional Hymns are so uplifting and can grip your very soul with comfort, adoration and love for our King of Kings! "Power in the Blood" in another favorite Hymn; "There is power, power, wonder working power in the precious blood of the Lamb".

John 14:27

1 Thessalonians 4:17

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them (the dead in Christ) IN THE CLOUDS, to meet the Lord IN THE AIR: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Revelation 12:5

And she brought forth a man child (JESUS), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child (The Son of Man) was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

(Sitting at the right hand of God; where he ever lives to make intercession for the saints) Our Advocate with the Father.

Awaiting the signal that the Church AGE is concluded.

Comment:

Jesus is not going to set foot on the earth during the Caught Up. We meet Him in the clouds. In the blink of an eye: that's fast!

Only the Father knows how much longer we have to survive what's happening on earth.

Mishael

Matthew 24:37 - But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 - For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 - And knew not until the flood came, and took (WHO?) them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 - Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 - Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:42 - Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND at the end of the flood.

Luke 17:26 - And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

The WICKED were TAKEN and Noah was LEFT BEHIND

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The WICKED were TAKEN FIRST and Noah was LEFT BEHIND

Luke 17:27 - They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:28 - Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

Lot was left behind - the wicked were taken

Luke 17:29 - But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Luke 17:30 - Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Peter 2:12 - But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;

So do pre trib preachers lie and make the Bible say the opposite of the Bible teaches?

Thank you for that.

Divers should read 'diverse'...

I'm doing further study on the word divers; which means, diversities. In the Bible as divers diseases or divers places.

Further explanation defines that God hates mixtures; several examples of that.

We all need to hear this; especially now.

I have watched a worldwide earthquake map for years. Today, Mexico south of Acapulco had over 7 on the scale. We can google the news later

Jeffrey, Thin logic? Scripture is thin logic?

The Holy Ghost is called God, Jesus is God and the Father is also.

Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to LIE to the HOLY GHOST, and to keep back part of the price of the land? ...thou hast not lied unto men, but unto GOD.

Each Person of the Godhead SPEAKS AUDIBLY in the Bible--

God the Father SAID of Jesus in Matthew 3:17 ..."This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Jesus SAID in John 10:30, " I and my Father are one."

The Holy Ghost SAID in Acts 13:2, ..."Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them."

Genesis 1:26-27, And God said, LET US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness...So God created man in his own image, in the image of God [not angels. the "us" can only refer to God.] created he him;

In the Old Testament, we find that God has a Son ( Proverbs 30:4, Psalm 2:7-12) and a Spirit ( Isaiah 40:13, 2 Samuel 23:2, Judges 3:10, etc.).

I Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

The Godhead and salvation.

The Holy Ghost reproves us, teaches us, guides us and testifies of Jesus Christ.

John 14:26, But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, HE shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, HE shall testify of me:

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences (like Co-vid) and earthquakes, in divers (sinful) places. I agree with your first statement about Covid. but not about your second insert (sinful). Divers places means different places, not sinful places.

Here is some scriptures to pencil in on the back page of your Bible:

John 14:26

John 15:26

John 16:7

John 14:6 Lamentations 1:16

Teacher, Advocate, Helper. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Jesus. The Greek word is: paracletos (one who comes alongside to Help)

The thing some people miss is that the Holy Spirit is always close by. Even tho he's a Spirit with no visible body...trust me, He is beside you. Talk to Him. Study with Him. Be aware of His presence.

It's hard, but don't grieve him or quench Him. He is God, the Holy Spirit. He loves you more than anyone else you've ever known.

Sing to Him and soon you will hear His song singing in your heart. Anything that hurts in you, will be healed.

Luke 4;18-19 ( Isaiah 61:1). Jesus speaking about the Spirit of the Lord.

Gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit, that He imparts as He wills. 1 Corinthians 12:31

One thing was hard for me to learn: walk beside the Holy Spirit, and don't run ahead of Him. :)

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the Lord....

A LOT of wisdom is given in Proverbs. Also, David was a man after Gods own heart. It's good to study WHY.

Matthew chapter 24, verses 3-8

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the SIGN of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

And ye shall hear of WARS and rumors of WARS: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences (like Co-vid) and earthquakes, in divers (sinful) places.

All these are the beginning of sorrows.

If your Bible has center columns on each page: you see little alphabet letter or numbers. Those refer you to other books or old prophesies). This way you will know what's coming our way. Knowledge is good.

You'll need a good newspaper or be Google friendly. YouTube has news too.

Isn't there a Bible verse about there always being war on earth, and not peace until Jesus comes back?

>"So it was not sin as long as they got married at some future point afterwards"

Hello, I'm not sure who told you that, but that doesn't come from God and isn't Biblical or true. The father of lies (satan) loves distorting the minds of Christians and encouraging them to spread falsehoods to others. Even though Christians are saved by grace sin is a big deal and should be avoided at nearly all costs. John 14:15, Matthew 5:29-30. Matthew 7:16-27, Matthew 7:26-27, Galatians 5:17, Hebrews 10:26.

Yes, power and authority in the Holy name of Jesus the Christ and the Holy spirit is our conduit to reach the Holy of Holy's.

To All Christian's!

When feeling down, depressed, no where to go. . . Start singing the Hymn- What can wash my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. What can make me whole again? Nothing but the blood of Jesus. Oh precious, is the flow, that makes me white was snow! No other "way" I know. Nothing but the Blood of Jesus." Repeat, until the love of Jesus flows through you. It's the Blood of Jesus that takes away out pain, doubt, etc. Sing Christian's! Sing!

John 14 is one of many scripture I hold dear to my heart. The words Jesus spoke to us, "Let not you heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. . ." Christian's, God sends trials our way to strengthen us. It is a workout of our belief. I kneel down to God (sometimes, I lay on the floor-face drown crying to my Father and His Son Christ Jesus. I tell him all my pain-spiritual warfare. Psalms is still alive today. The Lord is my Shepard, I shall not want. He leads me beside the still waters. He restores my (Our) soul. Yeh, though I walk through the valley of death, I will fear no evil. For thou are with me. Thy rod and staff comfort me. Believers, GOD IS WITH US ALWAYS! GOD BLESS

John 14 is one of my rocks, which I stand upon. Let not your heart be trouble (anxiety, depression, opression). Neither let it be afraid. Why Christian's? God is our Rock to which we stand. Christian's need to give ALL that troubles us to God. He will never leave us, or forsake us. He is our Comforter. To those who desire to harm us, "Vengance is mine sayeth the Lord. I WILL REPAY." If find myself running in circles, lost. I do not hear God speaking with His still & calm voice. And when I calm myself down. I am reminded that God sets my feet on solid ground. The Lord sends trials our way, to make us stronger. Trials will always be out there. We need to hold our hands up, to God!

If you have put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and believe that God has raised him from the dead, you are already baptized in the Holy Spirit ( Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16; Acts 11:15-17; 1 Corinthians 12:3 and 12:13; 1 John 5:1). All of 1 Corinthians chapter 12 is instructive in the working of the Spirit in Christ's body, the Church.

In John 14:16-18 and in John chapter 16, Jesus promises the Comforter will be sent to dwell with and in his disciples after he returns to the Father. The mission of the Comforter is to reprove the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. As the Spirit of truth, he guides Jesus' followers in all truth, not promoting himself, but glorifying Jesus Christ and the things of Christ.

Romans chapter 8 teaches us about walking in the Spirit after we've learned the hard lesson of our weakness in the flesh as found in Romans 7.

The book of Colossians and 2 Peter chapter 1 are a couple of fine prescriptions for aligning yourself to spiritual living.