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Good Evening everyone.
I just thought of a serious question that I haven't seen posted on the site! Unless I missed it. I admit I don't read all the postings.
I haven't read or followed much of this ongoing discussion of the Trinity, mainly because my wife and I just got back from a 4 day cruise today.
Also this has been debated by the same participants several times over the years.
Which is fine.
I believe most agree that belief in the Trinity doctrine is not a "REQUIREMENT" for salvation.
However I've mentioned before and will say it again I believe one would come to that truth as he mature in the word. ORGANICALLY!
MY QUESTION.
Can a ungenerated person come to this truth?
That is a serious question that I never considered!!
You may not have to hold to it to be saved but can it be revealed apart from the Spirit of truth?
The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was saying! He was claiming to be God. However they couldn't recieve it!
It made them angry as it do some today even though it's clear in scripture.
John 20:30-31 reads "And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
BUT THESE ARE WRITTEN, THAT YE MIGHT BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST, THE SON OF GOD; (Meaning GOD) and that believing ye might have life through his name.
This is written right after Thomas confession in verse 28 "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord AND "MY GOD".
This as well as much of John's Gospel is on the deity of Christ
John 1:1-3 "In beginning" I believe this is how it is written in the Greek. IN BEGINNING! There was no beginning!!
In beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
There's no other scripture needed!
More on the topic.
Was Jesus in heaven before creation? My understanding is no. Many will say Jesus is part of a Triune God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, three distinct persons, all co-equal, and co-eternal so that would put Him in heaven before creation.
God is a Spirit John 4:24, so if Jesus were in heaven His form would be Spirit. Are there verses on their own that would support the Trinity, yes. But we must keep a verse in context and compare it to other Scriptures about the same subject and not start with the answer, or a preconceived idea. We should let the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit give us the answer and meaning.
A few thoughts. In John 1:1 what beginning is John referring to, the beginning of creation or the beginning of Jesus's ministry, when He was anointed with the Holy Ghost becoming the Messiah, Matthew 4:16-17. We see the same introduction in 1 John 1:1 and others. In Revelation 19:13 Jesus's name is called the Word of God is that saying Jesus is God?
God was manifested in Jesus through the Holy Spirit, 1 John 1:1, Luke 4:18, John 14:10. The life eternal that was with God was manifested on earth through Jesus that we may fellowship with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ 1 John 1:2-7.
I will not go on and on but to me, there is one problem the Trinity doctrine creates I cannot find an answer.
God is perfect and cannot change, in the doctrine that would be the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The law was made for man and a man had to fulfill it. A man who could sin had to live a perfect life without sin to pay the penalty. Jesus did and paid the penalties for sin with His death. God cannot die and God cannot sin nor can He be tempted James 1:13, so He could not fulfill the law. Jesus was born without sin as the first Adam but could sin, the first Adam was not obedient and sinned. The last Adam, Jesus, was obedient to the Father and sinned not Romans 5:19. If God sacrificed Himself John 3:16 is not true.
God bless,
RLW
Philippians 2:5-6
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Because of the sinful flesh Jesus Christ had, God was in Christ Jesus as one.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, thatGodwas in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us thewordofreconciliation.
Jesus Christ was the voice and Word in Genesis .
Genesis 3:14-15
14And theLordGod said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Jesus Christ spoke in Genesis about bruising Satan's heel.
Romans 16:20
And the God of peace shallbruiseSatan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
Jesus Christ was always the Son of God and took on flesh by the virgin Mary.
John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jesus Christ is our Saviour God.
Titus 1:3
But hath in due times manifested hiswordthrough preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandmentofGodour Saviour;
Jesus Christ is the Word.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, theWord, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
May we all believe that Jesus Christ is a Man, Sevant, King , Saviour, and our God in three persons.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 BELIEVE ONLY
1st question: Did Jesus exist in heaven before God created everything ?
Answer: John 17:5, "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
2nd question: Is Jesus God Himself?
Answer: John 1:1-15, "1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, AND THE WORD WAS GOD.2The same was in the beginning with God.3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.10He was in the world, AND THE WORLD WAS MADE BY HIM, and the world knew him not.11HE CAME UNTO HIW OWN, and his own received him not.12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.14And the WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory AS of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
Isn't the above passage adequate to see that Jesus is God?
3rd question: Why is Jesus is also called the Word?
Answer: God hasn't got names like humans. Through His names God reveals certain characteristics of Him to people, eg Father, Allmighty God, YAHWEH which means the self existing God, etc. Jesus is called the Word because the word of God, the absolute truth about God, was revealed to mankind through Him. He is also called other names like, The Light, The Eternal life, The Truth, The Resurrection, etc.
See pt2
When you read this verse, Jesus Christ is the Word. The three are one and that means trinity.
1 John 5:7
For there arethreethat bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and thesethreeare one.
Jesus Christ is the Word and the Word is God.
John 1:1
In the beginning was theWord, and theWordwas with God, and theWordwas God.
Jesus Christ the Word became flesh on earth.
John 1:14
And theWordwas made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Remember that Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
Matthew 24:35
Heavenandearthshall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 28:18
AndJesus cameandspake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me inheavenandinearth.
Jesus Christ said that He is God.
Matthew 22:32
IamtheGod of Abraham, andtheGod ofIsaac, andtheGod of Jacob? Godis nottheGod ofthedead, but oftheliving.
Jesus Christ said that the Father in Heaven is one with Him in the Trinity.
John 10:30
IandmyFatherareone.
Jesus Christ is our great God and Saviour.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Jesus Christ is the Godhead.
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 God died for us on the cross.
There are many verses in the Bible that show the human nature of Jesus. But also there are many verses that show the divine nature of Jesus. Some of them are many parts of John's gospel (especially the begining) such as John 1:30, John 2:19, John 3:13, John 8:58-59, John 10:30-33, John 14:9-10, John 14:23, John 20:28, Acts 20:28, Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1, Hebrews 1:8, Matthew 1:22-23, 1 Cor 10:9, Isaiah 40:3, Malachi 3:1, Zechariah 11:12-13, Romans 9:1-5, and many other that I can not recall now. Jesus also accepted people to kneel infront of Him, something that is only permitted for God. Also compare Psalms 102:25-27 where it talks about God to Hebrews 1:10 where it talks about Jesus. Also compare Joel 3:5 to Acts 9:13. Compare Jeremiah 17:9 to Rev 2:23, etc.
So we have two kinds of scripture. One says that Jesus is human, the other says that Jesus is God. So what do we make out of these two? The obvious, that Jesus is the God, one person of the Godhead, who became man.
Lets think it in another way. We know that God loved people so much so that He sacrificed His own son for us. Now lets use another example. Suppose I love my brother and want to help Him. and the only way to help him is to give my own life for him. How does it seem to you that I would sacrifice instead of my own life, my son's life for Him to help Him? Why my son? And not myself? The most sensible thing is that I would sacrifice my own life for him, not somebody's else. That would be very egoistic. Somebody else to suffer for my intention to help somebody that I love? I think you can understand what I trying to say. So what did God do? He sacrificed Himself for us, one person out of the Godhead took on Him our nature, became a man and gave His life for us. So it is God's love that attracts people to Him. It wouldn't be love if He sacrificed somebody else, an innocent person's life, for his intention to save us. I hope I haven't done it so complicated to understand. GBU
Hello Fuji. If I might share something with you on this very important doctrine. Now this is coming from another aspect of God's Nature; so my question, "Concerning the Holy Spirit, how is God the Father able to send forth His Spirit without Himself becoming deficient in any way? Or, If God is Spirit ( John 4:24), does that mean that God has now come into the world & is therefore absent from His Throne in Heaven?"
Your consideration & response to these questions forms the basis of how God can send forth Himself to fulfil His Will, without suffering deficiency in His Person or thwarting His Plans. Therefore, my belief is that God is able to do this (i.e. sending out His Spirit), just as He is able to send out His Word and give His Word flesh (humanity): John 1:1-14. This is all very mysterious to our human finite minds as we have nothing that we can relate to it, in this world or by human logic. Now, if I could cause my spirit to leave my body & perform my Will elsewhere (which I can't do), then I believe that my body would instantly become lifeless (for the human spirit gives physical life to the body); but not so with God, for He is the Almighty Everlasting One & suffers no limitations in any way, as we do.
Lastly, I appreciated your recent comment & challenge given to us from John 21:20-24: you wrote (in part): "We need to trust what the Bible actually says, not what we think it says". Since both you & I read from the same Scriptures, I find that to trust the Bible in what it says & not what I imagine (or hope) it says, can only first be initiated if we take up the volume of Scripture that speak to us on that subject. If we only had verses declaring the Sonship of Jesus (as you have written about), then I would readily believe that Jesus was a creation of God, through Mary, for the Sacrifice of our sins. Onto Page 2.
1. The first good news.
Genesis 2:16-17
16And theLordGod commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
2. The second good news.
Genesis 7:1
And theLordsaid untoNoah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
3. The third good news. The promises and covenants.
Genesis 17:5
Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall beAbraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
4. The fourth good news. Moses and the law.
Exodus 3:6
Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. AndMoseshid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.
5. The fifth good news is John the Baptist.
Matthew 3:1-2
1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
6. The sixth good news . Jesus Christ the Messiah, the King, and the Savior.
John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came byJesusChrist.
7. The seventh good news . Apostle Paul with the gospel of grace in the resurrection of Christ Jesus.
Romans 1:16
ForIamnotashamedof the gospel of Christ:foritis the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek
Galatians 1:1
Paul, anapostle, (not omen, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;
Now we are here today with the writing of Apostle Paul. We all have a choice to receive the good news from Apostle Paul's epistle.
May God Almighty in the third Heaven bless the gospel of grace to all .
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Of Jesus Christ: Isaiah 9:6,7 (an Old Testament Prophecy); Micah 5:2 & John 1:1-14 (from everlasting); Matthew 1:22,23; Mark 2:5-7; John 8:56-58; John 16: 27,28; John 17:4,5; John 20:27,28; Philippians 2:5-7; Colossians 1:15-17; Colossians 2:9; 1 Timothy 3:16; Titus 3:13; Hebrews 1:1-3; Hebrews 1:8-10; 1 John 5:7; 1 John 5:20.
Of the Holy Spirit: Matthew 12:31; Luke 1:34,35; Luke 11:13; John 14:26; John 15:26; John 16:7-11; Acts 5:3; Acts 8:29; Acts 13:4; Romans 8:14; Romans 8:26,27; 1 Corinthians 2:10-14; 1 Corinthians 3:16; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 1 Corinthians 12:11; Ephesians 4:30; Hebrews 10:29; 2 Peter 1:21; 1 John 5:6.
The above are a few Scriptures that point to the deity of Jesus Christ & God's Spirit: all showing that they don't work independently from God, but have been sent out from God, from God's Being, to accomplish His Purposes in the world. And we know that Jesus, as the Word of God clothed with humanity, is the very expression of God to the world ( John 14:9; 1 Timothy 3:16; 1 John 4:2). Hope these will help you in your study of this very important doctrine. Blessings.
Only if more people knew the word ?
John 1:1-4
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the resurrection of Jesus Christ
A major part of the writings by the early Church fathers on this matter stemmed from the prevailing Gnostic (Docetic) heresies rife within the Church. So when we read from Ignatius or Irenaeus for example, we must bear in mind that that was what was primarily in their minds: to refute the Docetic heresy that Jesus did not possess a real physical body of flesh & blood (even as the Apostle John warned against such in 2 John 1:7). So when Jesus spoke speaking of the bread & wine, "this is My Bodythis is My Blood of the New Testament", these fathers would show & confirm with the Church that from the very Mouth of Jesus, He affirmed His physical presence & not some phantom-like appearance as declared by the heretics.
So, it was not only to combat heresy alone, but also to affirm their beliefs in the symbolic nature of the elements, did those fathers also declare; as Tertullian did, "Having taken the bread and given it to His disciples, Jesus made it His own body, by saying, 'This is My body', that is, the SYMBOL of My body. There could not have been a symbol, however, unless there was first a true body. An empty thing or phantom is incapable of a symbol. He (Jesus) likewise, when mentioning the cup and making the new covenant to be sealed 'in His blood,' affirms the reality of His body. For no blood can belong to a body that is not a body of flesh" (Against Marcion, 4.40). Though I'm sure there were also others of the faith who espoused the actual substance change in the elements.
Anyway, this has been a good discussion, as we share how we understand God's Word, and of course, in all our readings, we must be open to the Spirit's enlightening Work in us. Blessings.
The word of God is Spirit and is alive. No man can understand God unless they understand the word in Spirit.
John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Ephesians 6:17
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of theSpirit, whichisthewordof God:
Jesus Christ is the Word of God.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Romans 10:17
Sothen faith cometh byhearing, andhearing bythewordof God.
Ephesians 2:8
Forbygrace are ye saved throughfaith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ray, in Christ Jesus
Obviously Joseph wouldn't be able to BUY fine line if the day of Jesus' crucifiction was on Passover. So the Passover was after it got dark on Friday which was Sabbath for the Jews.
So it seems that the story of the first trhee was a rough, not so accurate in details, story, so John corrected it. John writes a very different gospels than the rest, because he has nothing to add to their gospels, apart from what he wants to correct. Like Jesus didn't actually initially call Peter, John and James in that incident with the boats, but He called them after His baptism while they were John's disciples. John 1:29-40.
Now about what you have, and others, shared about the bread and wine being emblems, nobody seems to answer the question of how is it possible the participation in a symbolic ceremony carries the heaviest penalty of all, that is death, if taken unworthily. Think about it. Thanks brother, I like the way you write, although we differ in a number of beliefs. GBU
Me being a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California
Matthew 5:14 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Jesus Christ is life on earth how to live John 8:12 KJV
God's word la has to be done to all the world.
Matthew 5:15 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" To believe in Jesus Christ laws, rule amd rules to get what you want. To believe when you die you will go to heaven and not he'll. 1 Corinthians 15:34 KJV Romans 10:10 KJV
Jesus Christ is power and effectual. Example House of Prayer Luke 19:46 KJV. Candles lighted by the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
I believe and God has done for me Ephesians 6:15 KJV giving me peace.
Offered your heart to God. God wants you to be married.
Words you say and believe to actions to be and get reality.
Ways you can be and get what you want-reality. are listen to God's voice amd word to obey, follow, "do it" in speaking , actions, attention of communications.
Example liked by God and preferred by Christian Church named titled disciple.
Disciple definition-Showing the holy bible as life.
Matthew 5:16 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" Light shine can also be the revelation of Jesus Christ given to you Always performaning righteousness, holiness in actions "to do it" of God. To have faith, hope, love.". 1 John 1:2 KJV
I have working history of evangelism street outreach , open Leading Pulpit Prayer hour at Christian Church, Open Teaching Sunday School and Mid-Week bible study service showing Jesus Christ Is God Romans 10:9-10 KJV to all religions-Principle holy.
Word Spoken and Written by REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
Seeking God's Wisdom West Angeles Church Consecration Calendar
Me a member at West Angeles Cogic Church Cathedral Los Angeles California
I Pray asking God for wisdom to make godly decisions, having faith in which is already done for me of my heart, words of mouth and being my shield.- Ephesians 6:16 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
"To give up believing in within yourself to be done not with God and him doing it for you.
Ways to help you to not believe in doing yourself without God are
Prayer Matthew 7:7 KJV Believing Jesus Christ Is God the Father Proverbs 19:20 KJV
Listen to his voice and Word to obey, follow "do it" in speaking actions, attention of communications.
God wants you to come into his sanctuary-today's Christian Church and read holy bible, to learn about Jesus Christ being God and Intentions "And it shall be giving you" John 17:3 KJV
Principle-Holy To all religions. Always performaning righteousness, holiness in actions "to do it" of God. To have faith, hope, love."
Wisdom helps you obey God in feelings of short comings, failures. God wants you to come to Jesus Christ. Philippians 4:13 KJV
James 1:6 KJV
My Respond REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" No challenges, afflictions, tests will occur about or upon me I John 1:3 KJV- Gaurtenteed
Definition
Wisdom - Comes from the knowledge of God, and the capacity to make use of it, discernment, judgment, discretion, sagacity, skill, dexterity.
James 1:7 KJV
My Interpetation REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY:
" That you see your life as real here on earth in Jesus Christ Holy Bible, instructions on how to live life. In repentance of sins. James 4:8 KJV Jesus Christ is the only way to make life to reality. John 14:6 KJV scriptures text is for you to believe in Jesus Christ to get what you want and also is a book you can read only. "We believe the Bible to be inspired and only infallible written Word of God."
Word Spoken and WrittenBy REDAPPLETREATY4MEONLY
Part 6.
Predestinated.
Ephesians 1:3-4Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
IN CHRIST.
I believe This speaks of Christ being the vehicle that was determined before the foundation of the world in which men would be saved. I believe it is Christ who is predestinated!
I believe God looks in his rear view mirror at the future.
He knows who will receive Christ.
I also believe John 3:16-20 'For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that LIGHT is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than LIGHT, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the LIGHT, neither cometh to the LIGHT, lest his deeds should be reproved.
But he that doeth truth cometh to the LIGHT, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
I also believe John 1:6-9
"There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
That was the true Light, WHICH LIGHTETH EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD.
Verse 12!
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
See Part 7
Part 3
God righteousness also means he's fair and just.
We all have sinned and we "ALL" deserve our punishment.
God is merciful so he sent the Lamb of God to sacrifice. "Not to take away "sins" from man individually
He came to take away the SIN "that is the penalty of sin" John 1:29 reads "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (notice sin is singular)
1 John 2:2 we see "sins" is used. It's Plural! ( And he is the propitiation for our "SINS":
I believe this is because of the repeated charges against us because sin is still present with us. We have a great lawyer!
Look at what else verse 2 says AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD!
God's atonement is not limited!
There's a portion of 2 Peter 2:1 that reads "even "DENYING" the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
These people are not saved!
But the Lord's purchase Peter designates applies to them if they would accept it!
This proves that the atonement was not limited!
The synonym for fair is Just! That's fair!
Quote from J Vernon Mcgee on John 6:37.
Election and free will are both in this verse. "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me" states a truth, and that is election. But wait a minute! and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out" is also true, and "him that cometh to me" is free will. I don't know how to reconcile them, but they are both true. The Father gives men to Christ, but men have to come. And the ones that come are the ones, apparently, whom the Father gives to Him. You and I are down here, and we don't see into the machinery of heaven. I don't know how God runs that computer of election, but I know that He has given to you and to me a free will and we have to exercise it.
See Part 4
Sin. "The sin"
I like the way you explain it. In the Greek text it has the definite article. It is "the sin."
This reminds me of " John 1:29" The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
The book of Romans has a lot to present!
Paul gives us a clear picture of the battle within ourself in chapter 7!
This is not persecution from the world. It's a battle with the flesh. Our flesh!
When Paul says verse 23 there's sin in his members, he speaks for us all!
Paul said For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Similar to Jude 1:23... "hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Praise the Lord for Jude 1:24, "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy!
Thanks and God bless.
I hope you don't mind brother.
Your posts are helpful, I understand how long it would be on this site with 2000 characters to go verse by verse, but what you do should inspire us to study all the verses around what you post. The conscience: I understand what you are saying but I understand it a little differently. I understand our conscience which is sometimes called our heart, Proverbs 4:23, is a gift God gave us to help us overcome the curse that we received when Adam and Eve ate that fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
The law and sacrifices could not cleanse our conscience, and we have been told to guard our conscience. When we repent and are born again our conscience is cleaned Hebrews 9:13-14, Hebrews 10:22 and when we slip, we are given confidence if we repent it is cleaned by the blood of Christ, 1 John 1:9. Our conscience and our mind are separate, Titus 1:15.
Our subconscious mind learns from experiences without us being aware of it. It processes information and makes connections effortlessly. We operate 80 to 90 percent with this part of our mind. This kind of learning affects our actions and choices without us consciously realizing it. My thoughts, this is the part of us that is attracted by the world, the part of our flesh that is tempted.
Our conscience can be weak and defiled 1 Corinthians 8:7 and seared like in 1 Timothy 4:1-2 and our minds can become so corrupt 2 Timothy 3:8, that God can turn us over to a reprobate mind Romans 1:28. I feel people can get to a point where their conscience is dead, and they live on the instinct of their subconscious mind for just survival in this earthly world. But there is always hope, I have seen where people have been restored and their conscience cleansed and made alive again, Jesus's blood can wash away all sins.
This is just me, but I believe our conscience is the spirit of man, Zechariah 12:1 1 Corinthians 2:11.
Keep up the good work and God bless,
RLW
Consider these verses.
Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
Romans 6:23. "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
John 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Pelya have you received Christ as your Lord and Savior?
If so, do you think the blood of the God provided Lamb was adequate? Yes it was!
Christ took your place on the cross and God didn't spare him.
Christ was Judged in your place.
For you to be judged again, Christ died in vain!
John 5:24 reads "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Believers will be judged for their works AFTER salvation NOT "for salvation. 2 Corinthians 5:10, 1 Corinthians 3:14-15.
Pelya Eternal life is something you have NOW, it's not something you get later!
The same Spirit that saves you, it also seals you! Ephesians 4:30.
Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, Jude 1:24.
God bless you.
One thing we know for certain is that every single person one day will stand before God. Will they have an excuse? Will God accept "I never heard?"
Romans 1:20 tells us, "For the invisible things of him (God) from the creation of the world (from the time of creation up till now), the invisible things of God, and please notice the clarity, are CLEARLY seen. So, there's no confusion! And then we see the comprehension: "being understood by the things that are made (referring to creation). Verse 20 ends by saying that "they are without excuse."
Not a single person will ever stand before God and say, "I didn't know," or "no one ever told me." Through creation, God testifies to man that there is a God. No one will have an excuse!
Psalm 19:1-4 says, "The heavens declare the glory of God. And the firmament shows His handywork. Day unto day utters speech and night unto night shows knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard." So, we know that there's no language or speech that God's creation cannot reach.
God has His testimony draped over us every night as well as the sun beating down on us during the day, and it is all a testimony. Somebody had to create that, someone so powerful that they created the entire universe. Even the psalmist says that there is a testimony in the heavens that God is using to illuminate a person's spirit and their conscience to make them consciously aware that there is a God. They might not know His name, but He's out there!
John 1:9 tells us that every person born into this world is enlightened. Again, no one will have an excuse. God's Spirit is able to reach every person that comes into this world one way or another. If never hearing about Jesus or the gospel message could be used as an excuse, and God accepts that excuse and grants salvation, wouldn't it be beneficial is no one ever heard?
Just my thoughts!
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Face it. The day we step into eternity may come sooner than we think. In preparation for that moment, we need to know this truth-not everyone is going to heaven. How can we know for sure that we are going to heaven? Some 2,000 years ago, the apostles Peter and John were preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ to a large crowd in Jerusalem. Peter made a profound statement that resonates even in our postmodern world: "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved" ( Acts 4:12)
Many people today hold to a watered-down gospel that does away with the need for repentance. They want to believe in a "loving" (nonjudgmental) God who never mentions sin and who requires no change in their lifestyle. They may say things like, "My God would never send a person to hell." But Jesus spoke more about hell than He did about heaven, and He presented Himself as the Savior who offers the only means of going to heaven: "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" ( John 14:6).
Who will actually enter God's kingdom? How can I guarantee that I'm going to heaven? The Bible makes a clear distinction between those who have eternal life and those who do not: "He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life" ( 1 John 5:12). It all goes back to faith. Those who believe in Christ are made the children of God ( John 1:12). Those who accept Jesus' sacrifice as the payment for their sins and who believe in His resurrection are going to heaven. Those who reject Christ are not. "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son" ( John 3:18).
Bible says there is one and only one way to heaven-Jesus Christ. Follow Jesus' command: "Enter through
Hello Lovealot19. Thanks for your questions.
To the first one: when we speak of Jesus being God, or Almighty God, we know that Jesus is not the Father - He is the Son (of God). But the question: where did Jesus come from that He should be called God, or Divine? Jesus Himself spoke of coming forth from God ( John 16:28, "I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father").
The prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 7:14 prophesied about a special Child to be born, which was fulfilled as given in Matthew 1:22,23, "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".
So just from these few verses we are told that God was going to bring a special Person into the World (and we know that it was for the purpose of Sacrifice & Redemption of sinners); and this Person was not born from the union of two humans, but His beginning was from God Himself. John 1:1-14 tells us that God's Word was made flesh, begotten of the Father - and John was speaking here of Jesus (Jesus' Origin & His Divine Nature).
Why does Jesus then pray to God? Because God brought forth One, a part of Himself, Who is both Divine & Human, & called Him His Son ( Matthew 3:17), for He came forth from within the Person of God. As a Son, Jesus now rightfully speaks (or prays) to His Father & was subservient to Him in every respect fulfilling the Will of the Father to one day make full payment for our sins. This Jesus has done, which God His Father accepted, & raised Jesus to be with Him sharing in His Glory, in Honor & in Power. As the Son of God, Jesus was wholly obedient to His Father's Will; now raised in Glory, the Son receives the praise & worship just as God His Father receives ( Philippians 2:5-11). Onto Page 2.
Q: The Agabus episode in Ac.21:11 shows that the gifts of the Spirit vary for believers to profit withal. Agabus used the girdle of St Paul to prove the point. Am I correct?
A: Yes. A girdle does not serve the same purpose in our own times in the west as in the the east where the dust and heat on a traveller could be enervating. It is as personal as soul of man but also an outward symbol of man's social standing. The Spirit uses the girdle to prove the purpose of the indwelling Spirit and "he Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come," Spirit of prophesy is the testimony of Jesus Christ." So the glory of the Father in his Son is the intent."He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."( John 16:13-14). It is thus our volume is determined and "And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace."( John 1:16)
The blessings in his Son bring heaven and earth under a single standard as the golden girdle of Christ. Agabus, coming down from Judaea, " Agabus./ And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost, So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man that owneth this girdle, and shall deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles." 'Thus saith the Holy Spirit' stresses on the unity of the Spirit and instead what have we? Is it not heresies that have ruled the roost? "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."(2 The.2:7)
Q:In the visions of Daniel and St John the wind plays a significant role. Can you elaborate on this?
A: We can only draw inferences from what the Spirit has indicated and these must serve for our instruction in righteousness. Within these parameters let us walk through the Scripture. The nature of wind as Jesus explains it, "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth." But God a Spirit"who walketh upon the wings of the wind," is in control. The Law of the Spirit must take over how the wind operates. Thou hearest the sound thereof' refers to the manner the Law directs the word of God. It sends as a cloven tongue so it gives all who were gathered in one place, as promised by the risen Christ. "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting." So the men were under the will of God. "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."(Ac.2:1-4) As with cloven tongues of fire the Law gives a body in accordance with the word. It was thus John the Baptist recognized that Jesus was the Lamb of God.( John 1:33) In short the Law of the Spirit chooses the body in accordance with the will of God. So walking upon the wings of the wind explains the word that is sent forth from God.(Is.55:11). The sign is set by the Word and validated by the Law. So Jesus presents the church as sins and wonders. (Is.8:18;He.2:13)
In the vision of Ezekiel, who is a sign and also designated as the son of man we have this,"Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, Son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live."(Ez.37:9). The Law is life ("by his Spirit that dwelleth in you."-Ro.8:11)
Q:"And that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."When one receives Jesus Christ one is placing himself under the Law of the Spirit so to speak. Is it not?
A:Yes. Predestination otherwise has no value. In spiritual terms law of sin operating over the sinful flesh is dead and as new creation you were as John in his Gospel says," No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." ( John 1:18). You were in the divine Will since you received the word as the truth.Without hitching your wagon to the Word which was made flesh you cannot be conformed in the image of his Son. Predestination is set on the basis of the Law of the Spirit that is what St Paul refers to the Father as "who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ."Consider the blessing of the glorious body the Father had provided,"A body hast thou me prepared'' glory of which is from God. In the Vision of Dry Bones we are told how God fleshes us out according to his purpose."Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:/And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord."(Ez.37:5-6) It is our faith that makes it possible."but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live./ For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God."(Ro.8:13-14)
Another blessing is being taught of the Lord how to conduct ourselves in this wicked world and among untoward generation. In 2 Sa,5 23-25 God helped David win a victory over th philistines and all he had to wait for His signal. It is thus we are helped from above. We are alive to be led by by the Spirit but dead to the ways of the world.
"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin." Romans 4:8
If you have to die and go to Heaven or hell, it just makes sense that a fellow should go to Heaven, doesn't it? I want you to go to Heaven and that is what we are doing. Isn't that something? Just stop and think how ridiculous it is to try to talk a fellow into going to Heaven. To have to holler and scream and beg and plead and pry and kick and beller to talk you into going to Heaven is, to me, one of the most absurd thoughts in the world. You ought to be jumping at the chance. You ought to be begging, "Preacher, tell me how. Tell me how."
It ought to be that anybody who knows he's got to die would have enough sense to want to go to Heaven when he dies. So, we're just preaching very, very simple messages. Right to the point. Tonight I am going to speak on the subject, "Who Is In Hell?" And I say this lovingly, if you don't know you're saved tonight, know before you leave.
Don't let pride or denominational background or your so-called "Christian heritage," or your good deeds send you to hell. Don't let them! Don't live in doubt about where you're going when you die. Just look at the thing square in the eye and say, "Okay, I'm going to Heaven. I'm just going to do it. I am going to do whatever is necessary to go to Heaven." And tonight, if you listen very carefully, I can explain to you, as simple as ABC, how to get to Heaven.
"Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin."
BY; JACK HYLES
COME LORD JESUS
Sorry.
Where I said "you" It should have been "we" I meant in general.
However I was basing it off of your comment on the ability to no longer sin.
Momsage sin is there before the act is performed.
The nature exists because the flesh is still present.
We may resist the flesh but the nature is still present, and that is a sinful nature that we combat.
When we are made perfect that battle will cease.
Perhaps this is how I should have worded my previous response.
WE are given a covering, (Robe of righteousness) to cover the imperfection within US!
WE'RE not perfect and don't meet God's requirements without this covering witch is an atonement for our sins.
Just to think one is perfect in the flesh shows an sinful nature because it works against the work of the Holyspirit that convicts us.
1 John 1:8-9.
Blessings.
God bless.
May I ask, Where in scripture does it say speaking in tongues is the (EVIDENCE) of the Holyspirit being in us?
Also, If the Holyspirit is with us it's because he's IN us!
If you don't have the Holyspirit IN you you haven't been born again!
Do one have to speak in tongues to be saved? NO!
There's instances of some believers using the gift of tongues, but that does not teach that speaking in tongues is EVIDENCE of salvation.
None of the gospel presentations in the New Testament mention tongues.
John 3:16-18
Ephesians 2:1-10.
Acts 4:12.
Acts 16:31;
Romans 10:9-13.
1 Corinthians 15:3-8. Ephesians 2:1-10. ect
If speaking in tongues was necessary for salvation, or even the primary signifier of salvation, we would expect to read much more about tongues.
We have been given Christ!
We have Christ spirit in us!
There's gifts of the Spirit and that is performed by one gift. CHRIST!.
There's also fruit of the Spirit.
That's what needs to be present in a believer. Fruit!
If it's evidence what one is looking for it should be fruit! That means you are connected to the Genuine vine as mentioned in John 15
God requirements for righteousness is perfect and the only way a believer achieves that is Christ righteousness imputed over unto us.
You are given a covering, (Robe of righteousness) to cover the imperfection within you!
You're not perfect and don't meet God's requirements without this covering witch is an atonement for your sins.
Just to think you are perfect in the flesh shows an sinful nature.
1 John 1:8-9.
Blessings.
God bless.
View from phone with Paragraphs and Lines
Introduction Quoted by Elder Graves Line 8 ending in his people Reginald Taylor Jr interpetation: YHWH Yireh,YHWH Rapha
His people to hear his voice.
Discussion Questions
1) How does Jesus' embodiment of each covenant name ofYHWHdeepen your understanding of His role in our salvation?
My Respond:
2) YHWH Yirehmeans "The Lord will provide." How does Jesus' role as our provider strengthen your trust in God's provision, both spiritually and physically?
My Respond:
That God will allow me to have what the Word of God says I should have.
My Respond:
John 1:29
I like that John 1:29 Jesus sacrifice takes place when we're needed in God. Provides forgiveness, eternal life meeting my spiritual needs
3) In what ways have you experienced Jesus asYHWH Rapha, your healer? What areas of your life, beyond physical healing, have been touched by His restoration?
My Respond:
Isaiah 53:5 KJV by all means Jesus restores and heal the sick, opened the blind eyes and raised the dead.
I trust Jesus for eyes to see . I have faith in Jesus resurrection.
4) How does knowing Jesus asYHWH Nissi, your banner of victory, encourage you in your spiritual battles?
I have faith in this scripture and use it daily giving God thanks no despair, harm, danger can hurt me. Jeremiah 29:11 ESV
1 Corinthians 15:57 KJV
5)Jesus is called thePrince of Peace. How does His fulfillment ofYHWH Shalombring peace to your heart, especially in times of conflict or anxiety?
My Respond:
Isaiah 9:6 KJV gives us peace. I have faith the door is open unto me and I shall have what I say and want through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Ephesians 2:14 KJV Has blessed me with bowels of mercy overcoming Satan.