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Thank you very much for your help, I really appreciate, now I just wanted to be clear somewhere: Luke 12:4-5 (fear not them that Kill the body after that they have nothing more to do but fear him who after killing has power to cast into hell.....) Doesn't this verse confirm that there was someone or some people who were planning to Kill the twelve (12) disciples of Jesus Christ? May i know your understanding of this verse, thanks again once more for your help, God bless you.

Luke 12:47

And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

All sins are not the same and do not merit the same punishment. Willful sins are more serious than sins of ignorance, as demonstrated in Luke 12:47. God does not judge sins of ignorance as seriously as willful sins, as shown in Acts 17:30.

Acts 17:30

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

The Bible tells us that the Israelites were to eat only unleavened bread every year during Passover as a commemoration of the Exodus from Egyptian bondage. Since the children of Israel left Egypt hastily, they did not have time for the bread to rise. Deuteronomy 16:3: "Do not eat it with bread made with yeast, but for seven days eat unleavened bread, the bread of affliction, because you left Egypt in haste-so that all the days of your life you may remember the time of your departure from Egypt".

In the Bible, leaven is symbolic of sin. The NT makes this very clear. ( Luke 12:1; 1 Cor. 5:6-7; Gal. 5:9) Like leaven that permeates the whole lump of dough, sin will spread in a person, a church, or a nation, eventually overwhelming and bringing its participants into its bondage. The bread that Jesus and broke would have been unleavened bread, which Christians are told to take and eat also.

Sounds like a Poem.

It may be a poetic writing inspired by the WORD of GOD. Resemblance to GOD's timing & mercy.

Please see, these scripture, Matthew 24, Mark 13, whole chapters, 1Corinthians 15:52, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 12:15-59, 2Peter 3:9

Hopefully these are helpful

Additional scripture for you:

Matthew 3-7, Matthew 5, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 9:10-13, Matthew 9:14-17, Matthew 9:27-34, Matthew 12:14, Matthew 12, Matthew 15, Matthew 16, Matthew 16:6,12, Matthew 19:3, * Matthew 21, Matthew 22, Matthew 22:15, it appears they were wrongfully referring to the book of Tobet, in 1611 version, Tobit 3:7,8, Matthew 22:29,

* Matthew 23:2, whole chapter Matthew 23, Matthew 27:62,

Matthew 23:13,14,

Mark 2:16, Mark 2, Mark 3:1-6, Mark 7:1-23, Mark 8:11,15, Mark 10:2, Mark 12:13,

Luke 5:17-39, Luke 6:2-11, Luke 7:29-50, Luke 11:37-54, Luke 12:1, Luke 12:31, Luke 14:1-24, Luke 14, Luke 16:14-31, Luke 16, Luke 19:35-39,

John 1:19-34, John 3:1-21, John 7:28-32, John 7:43-53, John 8:3-22, John 9, John 9:15,16, John 11:37-57, John 12:19, John 12:42, John 18:3,

Acts 15, Acts 23,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study, I included several Chapters to read next to verses, to read within context, for better understanding

I'd like to add scripture to the discussion.

Genesis 9:5, 1Kings 13:9-32, 1Samuel 6, note 1Samuel 6:7,10,12, Numbers 22:12-35, Daniel 6, Matthew 10:28-31, Luke 12:6-7, context Luke 12, Isaiah 11, Isaiah 11:6-10, Genesis 6:18-20, Genesis 7:1-9,23, Genesis 8, Psalms 145:8,9,

Hopefully these are helpful

Do you hear what you're writing, dear "Brooke"? Do you really think we should go back with sacrifice? What Jesus Christ Did Once for All? After reading the answers you have received, I hope you have repented and been baptized.

But i completely agree with you that we should read and in His time we will explain it. Thought about this just today, when one gets a case handed over that is of faith who is from Him. It branches out to the one who hears. Then they get quite uplifted. Dear remember and read both GT and NT in KJV and follow the references. Then I'm pretty sure you get the case explained, i wich u good luck. And please come here for more input. Everyone here on this web site has only good peace thoughts for everyone who visits it, me too.

Please follow me in Luke 12:12 and read the whole chapter.

I'm praying God will supply all of your needs. I know how hard it is to raise a child alone. Maybe someday someone will help you do that. The scripture encourages us to be closer to Jesus's Body for support.

One day I was sitting at an open window doing bills and I heard the children outside have a conversation about having to spend summers with their other parent ( as in cases of divorce). They labeled theirselves "Divorced Children." It broke my heart. I went outside and ministered the love of Jesus to them. They seemed to accept that "the other parent" loved them too. Loss hurts everyone: grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins. It takes huge effort to share your child with other "family."

I had to work, and did not want my son alone from 4pm to 530. I budgeted money for a tutor (from my church) to come to my house and help my kid do his homework. It worked out really great, if they finished early, they played catch outside. Dinners were a lot more relaxed.

This was a 5 day a week gig. You can find tutors at church or through their school office. The tutor would be a high school student who wanted to earn money for college.

It gets us through choppy waters to where, things are more orderly. Shared routines. I got to do the fun things with my son; spur of the moment stuff. It helps you realize life isn't over. There are possibilities.

This is what the Body of Christ is here for.

mishael

Stick with Him and He will surely stick with you , much love in Christ .

I was very sick and widowed, and I continued to tithe to where the Lord directed me, to those who could not pay me back; And my Lord God has

not failed to provide for me and my child, Thank you merciful God

Kay,

I appreciate your knowledge, here. Jesus also comes symbolically at the 6th trumpet, day of the Lord, the day named after Him. Jesus comes like a thief to lay the land desolate (both houses of Israel).

Jesus participates at the falling away in Spirit:

Isaiah 13:5 They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even the LORD], and the weapons of his indignation, to destroy the whole land.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not, 6th trumpet.

Isaiah 13:6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty, 6th trumpet.

Joel 2:9 Jesus comes in at the windows "like a thief" at the day of the Lord.

God even calls the beast army, "His army", and praises anti-christ's might, Joel 2:11

Everything Jesus warns us about is facilitated through anti-christ's scriptural actions against us. Jesus warns us of a surprise attack, a sudden strike, then we find out that that's what anti-christ is preparing for a year, month, day and hour. Jeremiah 15:6-9 "I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and terrors upon the city".

As a cautionary note about the day of the Lord and America:

Ezekiel 22:30 And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.

As for the part about rendering to Caesar he put them in to a trap.He said give to caesar whats his and God what is his.What is God's ?Everything.Jesus did such way of puting his enemies to a trap even other times when he was asked by tge pharisees about his authority he asked them about John authority.So the sincere would understand it as being about giving all to God while the wicked will understand it as being for wretched caesar.And as for Luke 14 Counting the cost is not about investing money its counting the cost of discipleship which Jesus shows just some 3 verses after your citation Luke 14:33 we should give all.And the parable of the talent aint talking for investing either

Read it yourself.

And we know the parable of the rich fool which made treasures for himself luke 12:13-21

And what did Abraham say to the rich man in the story of the rich man and lazarus which i dont think its even a parable luke 16:25 so he will not go to heaven because he had his riches in earth not in heaven .

JESUS said that we must not work for money and wealth and that God would provide our needs Matthew 6:19-33 and john 6:27

He told us to sell all

Luke 11:41 to the pharisees

Luke 12:33 to the disciples

Luke 14:33 to the multitudes

Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:16-30 to the rich guy

And his disciples approve

Acts 2:44-45

Acts 4:33-34

Luke 18:28-30

Matthew 4:18-24

But who will go to heaven

Jesus and Jacob give us a hint

Luke 18:24-25

Mark 10:17-31

Matthew 5:3

Luke 6:20

James 2:5

But where does that put the rich?

Luke 6:24-25

James 5:1-3

What is the root of all evil?

1 timothy 6:10

Genesis 3

Are we to live under the curse or are we set free by God through Jesus? Because he broke every curse including this one:

Genesis 3:17-19

Should we end in the midst of the Sodomites?

Ezekiel 16:49-50

Luke 17:28

But there are days ahead that we would need to learn to trust in Yahweh for Manna his heavenly bread because the mark of the beast is the last form of money as a chip

Revelation 13

But if we learn to do these things that Jesus taught we might survive and prevail.

What does tbis mean?

1 Corinthians 7:21?

Pul does say that when you dont provide you are worse than and disbeliever but he doesnt say if you dont work to provide does he?

Yahweh Jireh?

When you answer anybody speaking about renouncing wealth think "what if he has done it?"

Not "he is challenging us lets ruin his life".

JESUS DOES SAY TO NOT WORK FOR MONEY MATTHEW 6:19-33

He always says sell everything to rich guys? Zaccheus sold half and other gave to cheated dudes.

Peter said"we left all to follow Jesus" luke 18:28-30?

Luke 11:41; luke 12:33; luke 14:33, 18:22 and other

Its prophecied! Buy with No Money! Eat freely without payment! Isaiah 55:1-5.

There are degrees of punishment:

" For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains." Deuteronomy 32:22

" And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:47-48

" But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you." Matthew 11:22

" And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." Revelation 20:13

Hello, Jerry

FREE is right here. When all is fulfilled that God has willed, the end will come. We are told to be ready, faithful, eager, and watching hopefully for His return. You can read what Jesus said about this in the gospels:

Matthew chapter 24-25

Mark 13

Luke 12:35-59

The Holy Spirit is Your Teacher

The desire for Jesus is in you already. The Bible is the Word of God. Like these following scriptures show us: with your own spoken words, ask the Holy Spirit to make His home within your heart, To be your Teacher. Thats his ministry to you. You will know He is teaching you. Open your mouth and speak: "Holy Spirit, come alongside and teach me what this passage means?"

Begin in the Gospels and stay in there until you know who Jesus is to you; what he likes; doesn't like; listen to his replies to people he met on his journeys.

John 14:26

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.

Luke 12:12

For the Holy Ghost shall TEACH you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

2 Timothy 2:24

And the servant of the Lord must NOT strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, gentle

1 Timothy 6:3-4

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

THE FRUIT OF THE HOLY SPIRT

Galatians 5: 22-23

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

NOW we see through a glass, DARKLY, but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I AM KNOWN. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is Love.

God watches over His Word. We're going to meet people who oppose themselves. Sometimes more is accomplished by praying for them. Heartfelt prayer is always right. Jesus is interceding for US. King David was a man after Gods own heart. His prayers and Psalms will help you.

Mishael

I'm not sure what you're saying, but it seems to me you have so much disputting around you, you feel it's spiritual attack "jump on" you.

1st , Matthew 5:10-16, Luke 12:52,53, * 1Peter 4,

2nd, Ephesians 6:11-18, Matthew 10:1, Mark 9:28,29, Matthew 17:21,

3rd Matthew 10:8-42, Matthew 12:30, Matthew 26:55,59, Matthew 27:1, Mark 3:6, Mark 13:9-13,

4tu, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5, Psalms 37,

5th, Mark 11:25, Matthew 6:47-49, Luke 17:3,4,

Even Jesus had to stop disputes with believers : John 12:7,

According to Strongs Exhaustive Concordance of the KJV Bible there are three variant Greek words translated devils.

The root word in his Greek dictionary of the New Testament is:

1142.

Transliteration daimn (Key)

Pronunciation dah'-ee-mown

Part of Speech masculine/feminine noun

Root Word (Etymology) From daio (to distribute fortunes)

a daemon or super-natural spirit (of a bad nature); - devil.

Matthew 8:31; Mark 5:12; Revelation 16:14; Revelation 18:2.

1139.

Transliteration daimonizomai (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon-id'-zom-ahee

Part of Speech verb

Root Word (Etymology) Middle voice from (G1142)

to be exercised by a daemon;-have a (be vexed with, be possessed with) devil (-s).

Matthew 4:24; Matthew 8:16; Matthew 8:28; Mark 1:32; Luke 4:36

1140.

Transliteration daimonion (Key)

Pronunciation dahee-mon'-ee-on

Part of Speech neuter noun

Root Word (Etymology) Neuter of a derivative of (G1142)

a demonic being; by extension a diety:-devil, god.

Matthew 7:22; Matthew 9:34; Matthew 10:8; Matthew 12:24,27,28; Mark 1:34,39; Mark 3:15,22; Mark 6:13; Mark 9:38; Mark 16:9,17; Luke 4:41; Luke 8:2,27,30,33,35,38; Luke 9:1,49; Luke 10:17; Luke 12:15,18,19,20; Luke 13:32; 1 Corinthians 10:20-21; 1 Timothy 4:1; James 2:19; Revelation 9:20.

demon - The Modern English word demon derives from the Middle English demon: from medieval Latin demon, from Latin daemon, from Greek daimn 'deity, genius'; in demon; also from Latin daemonium 'lesser or evil spirit', from Greek daemonion, diminutive of daimn.

devils - The Modern English word devil derives from the Middle English devel, from the Old English dofol, that in turn represents an early Germanic borrowing of the Latin diabolus.

The KJV translation is not a word for word or uniquely and infallible inspired representation of the Greek New Testament, and we should be cautious in choosing which English words in it we want to make our hills to die on without first consulting the Greek.

Hi Donna.

I fully agree with Jc.

I normally don't like to add to anything so well stated if there's no improvement.

This is just a side note.

Jesus is referred to as the "Son of Man" 88 times in the New Testament. In fact, Son of Man is the primary title Jesus used when referring to Himself Matthew 12:32; 13:37; Luke 12:8; John 1:51). The only use of Son of Man in a clear reference to Jesus, spoken by someone other than Jesus, came from the lips of Stephen as he was being martyred Acts 7:56.

Son of God.

Son of Man.

These are both titles of Our Blessed Saviour. The title Son of God, emphasised His Divinity, and that He is "part" of the Trinity, and God Himself. The Title Son of Man is from Daniel and emphasises His humanity and His messianic purpose in coming to save us, as it points back to the prophecy, which it fulfills. Rapture included.

God bless.

Mary Ann Knight,

You ever notice after a wedding difference people will focus details on certain aspects of things? Sometimes it's things that you yourself didn't notice or didn't seem as significant as something else. Some talk about the cake, another about the people that attended, another can't get over how white the dress was, others saw the doves released.

There's also differences in personalities It may be one of reasons that Jesus chose the varying difference in people that wrote the Gospels. Knowing each would have a unique perspective & emphasis on different details.

Matthew speaks much about angels, major significant events pertaining angels. Matthew 4:6,11, Matthew 13:39,41,49, Matthew 18:10, Matthew 22:30, Matthew 24:31,36, Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 26:53, in context: Matthew 26,

Mark 1:13, Mark 8:38, these following 3 Matthew & Mark both discuss: Mark 12:25, Mark 13:27,32,

Luke has emphasise on several events others do not mention: Luke 1, Luke 2, but, like Matthew & Mark mention Luke 4:10,

Luke 9:26, mentioned by atleast 1 other. Luke 12:8,9,

You asked also if the others were present or witnessed the angels, it looks like Luke 24:23, testifies to that question. & John 20:12, testifies to angels being present.

John also notes John 20:30-31, John 21:25,

Hopefully this is helpful

Psalms 9:10, Psalms 18:2,30, Psalms 56:3, Psalms 71:5, Isaiah 12:2, our trust & hope should ultimately be in GOD

* Psalms 118:8, * Jeremiah 9:4, * Micah 7:5,6, Luke 12:52, Psalms 27:10, Ephesian 6:2,3, Proverbs 23:22, people even most dear can betray, abandon, abuse etc. There was much abuse, betrayal, within King David's family & those he served. 1Samuel 21, 2Samuel 15, Saul his King, his children, wife, etc. Starting with his calling, 1Samuel 16:5-11,

Psalms 20:7,

Psalms 62:2,5,8, 2Samuel 22:3,31,

Job 4:17-21,

Psalms 17:7, Psalms 25:2, Psalms 31:19,

Psalms 40:4, Psalms 44:6, Psalms 49:6,7,

Luke 14:26, trust GOD 1st & only yet honor them, this may be when there is contradiction to GOD's will & commandments. Even Jesus faced those struggles with earthly parents & family. Mark 3:20,21, Mark 3:31-35, John 7:3-5, Luke 2:42-52,

Hopefully these are helpful.

That's a great question Adam & shows sensitivity to the things God has blessed you with, as opposed to the world's thinking ( Luke 12:16-21).

The verse that came to mind is Matthew 6:19-21, "Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also."

I believe that the Lord is giving this instruction, one of many special directions to His disciples according to what they were seeing around them: the rich & poor for instance. And this instruction is more than about the measure of wealth, whether in coin or other possessions, since I doubt whether the disciples ever came into a position of amassing any amount of wealth. Rather, the Lord was directing them to the focus of the heart & life to every area of life & not to set their hearts on things that are of little worth or can disappear.

Therefore, the first indicator of a misdirected attraction to one's possessions or to the inordinate pursuit of them, would be: is there still a true mental & emotional balance when dealing with personal finances? Is the heart continually affixed on making more of it for reasons that show one's lust to gain more rather than for more worthy reasons? Certainly, we need to provide for loved ones, pay bills, put aside some for the future, but also, we need to have the capacity to look for opportunities to give to those in real need, the work of the Gospel, to organizations/ministries that are truly reaching out with help to the poor.

And in the parable of the talents, the message was more than making good decisions in trading, but that responsibility in small things engenders greater trust in handling larger endowments. God will trust us with more when our hearts are towards Him alone & not affixed on perishable things.

I'd like to seek any advice on how to manage ones estate, be financially responsible, and be a good steward ( Matthew 25:14-30) while avoiding greed or loving money ( 1 Timothy 6:9, Luke 12:15, 1 Timothy 6:10)?

I'm wondering what are some possible indicators of whether someone is starting to like money too much?

To continue what Alex said: The HOLY Spirit : John 4:25, John 14, Luke 1, Luke 3:16,22, Luke 4, Luke 11:13, Acts 2, Mark 13:5-37, Luke 12:12, 2Timothy 1:7, Galatians 5,

Acts 10, 1John 3:1-24,

1John 4:1-21,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study.

A person put over someone elses property, affairs, upkeep etc. Trusted with but belonging to another. Here are biblical examples. Genesis 1:26-30, Romans 14:12, In the Church: Hebrews 13:17, Titus 1:7,

Genesis 15:2, Gen 43:19,

Luke 16:1-15, Matthew 20:1-16, Luke 12:36-48,

Prophetic parable about Jesus & the religious Rulers of the time: Matthew 21:28-46, Luke 20:9-20, 'husbandman being "stewad" of the vineyard'

Hopefully these are helpful.

Proverbs 18:24, Luke 12:7,

Hello Gigi,

This is an interesting verse how it differentiates between wisdom and knowledge.

Verse 4 says: Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

So, the same Spirit is allocating different levels of gifts, possibly according to our level of maturity in the faith or responsibility. Romans 12:6-8, Luke 12:48.

So, it says to one wisdom and to another knowledge. I'm assuming the prefix "word of" is another way of just staying specific portion of wisdom or knowledge passed on to someone from the Holy Spirit, but would like to hear anyone else's interpretation of this.

If I were to just compare wisdom with knowledge, I think of wisdom as the application of knowledge or experience using a sense of discernment, and knowledge as the storage of information, facts. I personally prefer wisdom over knowledge because of the practical value. I have a harder time with pure memorization like trivia, but to some that could be a strength for ministering to others, perhaps like through street ministry where remembering a lot of scripture and answers to common questions would be valuable.

I happened to notice through a Google search that this site lists more scripture about wisdom vs knowledge, which might have more info: Link

I've also heard LeBleu water company found early treatment for cancers using Grapes Seeds from Israel. I met with them years ago, the founder told me in a Petri dish it actually eats away the cancers. Today it's sold only as "health food Muscadine supplement" . Why ?

2 Thessalonians 2:12, Ephesians 4:25, Psalms 119:30, Psalms 85:10-11, Ephesians 6:14, Ephesians 6:12,

1 Corinthians 4:5, Luke 8:17, Mark 4:22,

* Luke 12:1-7,

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful to encourage & strengthen.

I believe this is what you're asking for,

Matthew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."

Matthew 7:7-8 "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" "For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened."

Luke 12:31 "But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you."