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About Edomites. The Edomites are described in the Bible mainly as opponents of the people of Israel.Moses asked permission for the people of Israel to cross the territory of the Edomites peacefully.He even promised to pay for anything the Israelites might need along the way.Even so,the king of Edom refused to let the people of Israel pass(Number 20:14-21)
Now,in this current millennium,the seventh and last,even in these days of Apocalypse,the battle of Armageddon(air-magog-eddom(red) is in the way( Revelation 16:13-16) , the battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs(why frogs?the website of purebible explains this mystery),that come out of the mouth of the dragon(the red dragon- Revelation 12:3-4),and out of the mouth of the Beast(the MAN Beast of sea),and out of the mouth of the false prophet(the false messiah of the Jews, a false lamb- Revelation 13:11).
Remembering that Edom means red, the battle called Ar/mag/eddon is in the current heavenly environment of the New Testament against the MAN Beast of sea(Magog) and against the MAN Beast revealed as dragon(Satan incarnated, son of perdition, MAN of sin- Revelation 13:11-he was born in Israel decades ago and will manifest himself soon as messiah-an IMPOSTOR). Get ready- Revelation 16:15- Behold, I come as a thief.Blessed is he that watcheth,and keepeth his garments,lest he walk naked,and they see his shame.
Daniel 12:10-12
10Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
Matthew 24:15
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet,stand in the Holy Place,(whoso readeth,let him understand
There is no 7 year great tribulation. There WAS a GREAT TRIBULATION 2000 years ago, but those days of that GREAT TRIBULATION were shortened for the elects sake.
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time (of the great tribulation), no, nor shall ever be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days (of the great tribulation) BE SHORTENED, there shall no flesh BE SAVED ....
What are you SAVED from? ---DEATH --- When was DEATH defeated? ---- at the RESURRECTION of Christ ----
The above scriptures STATES the Great Tribulation had to occur before flesh could be SAVED from DEATH. Therefore the Great Tribulation had to occur before the resurrection.
The GREAT TRIBULATION was from the time Christ entered the garden until his death on the cross.
God BLESS YOU!
In the end; he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. ( Matt. 26:52; also see Revelation 13:10). As Christians we are to remain as salt and light to resist the decay that the current world system under Satanic influence is headed toward. Similarly; we should not cede to others things that are inalienable rights that our forefathers fought so hard for and is enacted in our Constitution and other important legal documents as to how a Republic is to be run. We shouldn't; however make that our priority; as His Kingdom is not of this world ( John 18:36). We see ways; for instance with certain bitcoin currencies how we can be in an internationally accepted means of exchange (for now) which is an alternative to the electronic cash and other efforts governments and private banks are attempting to control the narrative and our lives. It is hard to say if we do have a sort of one world government how far it will progress before the Tribulation; peace is taken from the earth at the 2nd Seal; that leaves us to wonder if it is just a type of peace that is in effect since just the first seal or if it has lasted a while.
One world religion again is something that is developing; we are responsible to hold onto the Philadelphian type church and patiently endure as Revelation 3:10 states until the Lord comes back to receive our reward even with little strength. We must avoid any false revival and not expect mass conversions at a time when many are said to fall away if we are indeed in the last days ( 1 Timothy 4:1 and also see Matthew 24:10). If we live in a world system where we have to pay taxes then of course we need wisdom. The plans are clear from the "powers that be" (without having to name the source) that in a few short years we are supposed to be content losing property and any private ownership. So be it; if the Gospel is preached we can let go these temporal things for His Name's sake.
Part 7.
2 Peter 1:10.
Let's take this from verses 3-4.
(According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness,) through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
(Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.)
Paul lists what's added in 2 Peter 1:5-7. "And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge.
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness.
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
Verse 8!
"FOR IF THESE THINGS BE IN YOU", and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
The contrary to "these things being in you" is seen in is verse 9.
BUT HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
In verse 10 Paul is telling us to "give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
He is saying if according to Christ divine power hath he given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, and whereby we are given exceeding great and precious promises and by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. " Make your calling and election sure: for "IF YOU ARE DOING THESE THINGS", ye shall never fall.
Hebrews 6:13-16.
When God performed this covenant with Abraham, he put Abraham to sleep. IT WAS UNCONDITIONAL!
Genesis 15:1-12.
Matthew 24:13.
This is to take place during the great tribulation period.
However, I'm not going to get into that on this thread.
This is how I interpret those verses, perhaps some can help and improve on this.
God bless you brother.
28GOD will finish the work,and cut it short in righteousness:because a SHORT WORK will the Lord make upon the earth( Matthew 24:22-And except those days should be shortened,there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened)
29And as Esaias said before,Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed,we had been as Sodoma,and been made like unto Gomorrha.
30What shall we say then?That the Gentiles,which followed not after righteousness,have attained to righteousness,even the righteousness which is of faith.
31But Israel,which followed after the law of righteousness,hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32Wherefore?Because they sought it not by faith,but as it were by the works of the law.For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
33As it is written,Behold,I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence:and whosoever believeth on Him shall not be ashamed ( Daniel 12:10-Many shall be purified,and made white,and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the WICKED shall understand; but the WISE shall understand)
Revelation 22:11-17
11He that is unjust,let him be unjust still:and he which is filthy,let him be filthy still:and he that is righteous,let him be righteous still:and he that is holy,let him be holy still.
12And, behold,I come quickly; and my reward is with me,to give every man according as his work shall be.
13I am Alpha and Omega,the beginning and the end,the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments,that they may have right to the tree of life,and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15Without are dogs,and sorcerers,and whoremongers,and murderers,and idolaters,and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
17And the Spirit and the bride say,Come.Let him that heareth say, Come.And whosoever will,let him take the water of life freely.
The great tribulation ( Matthew 24:21)
The Day of the Lord ( Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2)
Trouble or tribulation ( Deuteronomy 4:30)
The time of Jacob's troubles ( Jeremiah 30:7)
Toward the end of Daniel's life, he has a vision described in Daniel 12.
"At that time Michael shall stand up, the great prince who stands watch over the sons of your people; and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation, even to that time. And at that time your people shall be delivered, every one who is found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, some to shame and everlasting contempt. Those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever."- Daniel 12:1-3
From this passage, we know that
Unprecedented, troubling times are on the way.
There will be some who will awake to "everlasting life."
There will be some who will awake to "shame and everlasting contempt."
Those who are wise will shine.
A further study of this passage and the 7-year tribulation reveals more about the troubling times and who will awake to everlasting life and who will awake to everlasting contempt.
Everlasting life is given by those who trust in Jesus for their salvation.
Everlasting contempt is given to those who do not trust Jesus.
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being NOW JUSTIFIED by his blood, we shall be saved FROM WRATH through HIM.
Psalms 88:16 Thy (the Father's) WRATH has gone over ME (Christ); thy (the Father's terrors have cut ME (Christ) off.
Job 19:11 He (the Father) hath kindled HIS WRATH against ME (Christ), he (the Father) counteth ME (Christ) as one of his enemies.
Isaiah 53:10 It pleased the LORD to bruise HIM, he hath put him to grief: when thou shall make HIS soul an OFFERING for SIN....
The wrath of GOD that all creation deserved was POURED OUT, by his Father, on Christ.
Christ is telling his disciples what is going to occur in a few hours:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation (all the wrath of GOD poured out on Christ)), such as was not from the beginning of the world To THIS TIME, nor shall ever be (again).
Matthew 24:21 And except those DAYS (of the great tribulation, the wrath of God on his SON) BE SHORTENED (Pilate SAID, is he so SOON be dead), there shall no flesh BE SAVED (all creation was saved by the great tribulation of Christ).
If you want more scriptures I will give them to you.
God Bless YOU!
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The comments remind me of Matthew 24:49 as to fellowservants that are trying to get the message across about the King coming soon; and the bride being snatched. Zephaniah 2:3 is one of those O.T. nuggets about being delivered before wrath begins. I don't argue about whether it is man's wrath; Satan's or Gods anyway since it is all under God's judgment. What is different is that once the Trib. starts things are all going to happen in sequence all 21 judgments PLUS what the 2 Prophets decide to dish out. Another argument is that Pretribbers left behind will fall for Antichrist; and I may agree partially that those who are NOT praying to escape ALL things to come to pass ( Luke 21:36; see also Rev. 3:10) may either not be real believers or the rapture is a reward issue; all of God's children are saved but some need their garments washed through martyrdom (that is my contention if they have garments in the first place they must be saved; whether or not they are new Trib saints or ones stained that are left behind such as with Zechariah 8:3. However we are to buy oil or be tried as gold in the fire may mean refinement in the Tribulation; but since that is unpopular I won't force the issue and be open to all believers being raptured.
Post Tribbers can be fooled if they think the Beast is making the world ready for Christ also.
I hope you have noticed that the Word is something and really the only thing that I constantly quote. Any reasonable conversation relies on it. I have discussed the subject of the Rapture before with numerous references from the New and Old Testament; with the basic principle being that God delivers from as well as through certain things. Such is the typology of Enoch and Elijah who were translated as opposed to Lot who escaped just as judgment came. My basic premise is that it is one thing to die as martyrs now and we CERTAINLY need to be cognizant of that fact as something such as the brave girl who was martyred at Sandy Run that it is coming here. The only thing different in the Tribulation is how demonic entities and God's judgments (which ARE immediately upon opening the Seal Judgments which only CHRIST HIMSELF can open) manifest. And as I've stated before the gates of hell will not prevail against the church at present but the saints WILL be overcome in the Tribulation. I will let you look up the verses as I have quoted them often. The worst time in human history ( Matthew 24:21) is something we haven't seen yet when Satan is allowed temporary control over the whole earth; God has to shorten the days or no one survives ( Mark 13:20).
Your thinking is from a human perspective,not from GOD's perspective. JESUS said: Luke 21:24-And they(the Jews-Israel)shall fall by the edge of the sword,and shall be led away captive into all nations(this part of the verse literally fulfilled against Israel, from 70 to 1948, 1878 years of severe curses and punishments,and plagues- Deuteronomy 28:15-63):and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles(this part of prophecy will literally fulfill in days to come,also according to the Revelation 11:2)until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:15 -When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,spoken of by Daniel the prophet( Daniel 12:6-12),stand in the holy place,(whoso readeth,let him understand)
Daniel 12:6-12
6And one said to the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?
7And I heard the man clothed in linen,which was upon the waters of the river,when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven,and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time,times,and an half;and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,all these things shall be finished.
8And I heard,but I understood not:then said I,O my Lord,what shall be the end of these things?
9And he said,Go thy way,Daniel:for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the END.
10Many shall be PURIFIED,and made WHITE,and TRIED;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (Jesus' sacrifice has already lasted 738,300 days,and now will be taken away),and the abomination that maketh desolate set up(in the midst of the last week of years),there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.(END of this current world of Devil)
12Blessed is he that waiteth,and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
I discussed the other day about the Rosh Hashanah last trump concept that made it plausible that the Rapture would be this weekend. Clearly it went by again with no Rapture.
When we look at various events in scripture; we see the surprise element. Surely those watchmen who are asleep or not preparing others will be surprised when He comes (as many will be watching on high holidays such as this and Pentecost).
( Luke 12:35-40). The enemy camp is taken easiest this way in a successful ambush. Watching and waiting with patience is more than a one or two day spectator sport. It does seem that SOME warning comes before the bridegroom arrives ( Matt. 25:6); although some say this is deliverance perhaps before the second coming or even the midpoint of the Tribulation for the Jews or those on earth at that time. In any event; the idea that the Lord delays His coming brings laziness and sin ( Matthew 24:48-51) and results it appears becoming a statistic stuck in the Tribulation at best in verse 51 if not lost forever.
I am a Pre Trib person because it seems clear to me DECADES ago the enemy could have taken over the whole world and certainly we are on "borrowed time" today; the "restrainer" in 2 Thess. 2:6 has to be the Spirit working through the church.
The fact that only a few are really living fully surrendered today shows why in large part the salt and light has reduced to allow the level of ecil we see widespread today. This is in the world as expected but in the Laodicean church that typifies Western churches and that of many other countries in the world today.
Let us continue to warn others to flee the wrath to come ( Luke 3:7); whether it be imminent unexpected death or being stuck in the Tribulation. Remember that Christ comes as a thief to take His precious treasure ( 1 Thess. 5:2; Malachi 3:17). A thief such as this doesn't care about the profane; just the sacred objects of His affection.
Agape.
Greetings in Christ JESUS
Yes, "Excellent exegesis (of) Brother Giannis, yet terriffying subject matter" , but there are more also very terrifying things said by our Lord Jesus Christ for happening in this current time, simultaneously and sequencially after this current period of sorrows that is running, as follow:
Matthew 24:9-15
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that SHALL ENDURE unto the END, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then SHALL THE END come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) --->2Thes. 2:3-4 -> 3 Let no man deceive you by any means:for that Day (referring to this current Day, the seventh and last Day) shall not come,except there come a falling away first,and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth (will opose)and exalt(eth) himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth (shall sit- John 5:43-47) in the temple of God(JERUSALEM, spiritually called Sodom and Egypt- Revelation 11:8), shewing himself that he is God. Furthermore we will see not so far from this present time, the son of perdition shall give to the Vicarivs Filii Dei
his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem), and great Authority- Revelation 13:2.
And there was (there will be) given unto him (unto the Beast of sea)a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Let's be ready,the days will be shortened
Many are aware Rosh Hashanah is coming between tomorrow and September 17 officially; which is known as the time in Jewish tradition where "no man knows the day and hour". ( Matt. 24:36). Of course even Jesus was said not to know the hour; only the Father so that it could be at any time; but perhaps on some specific feast of Trumpets based on the "last trump" ( 1 Cor. 15:52). Some have argued this means the last trumpet judgment in Revelation 11:15. The argument against that is that things appear to be going on as usual such as in the time of Noah (as we see in Matthew 24:37-39 immediately following the earlier reference). Surely that WON'T be the case after 14 judgments come to the earth.
As to this year; of xourse we have another interesting development with world leaders preparing to meet and apparently now floating through Saudi Arabia a peace deal for the Palestinians and Jews which they are only observing that; of course will divide Jerusalem. ( Dan. 11:39); and that will be part of the Daniel 9:27 prophecy as well; or the covenant with death and hell ( Isaiah 28:18). This will result eventually in half of the city taken ( Zech. 14:1-2). It is interesting this meeting is timed for Sept 19-20 and they will celebrate world peace early (normally it is Sept. 21 apparently for the World day of peace).
Let's step back a bit. I remember 40 reasons the Lord must come by 1988 (not sure the author). THAT didn't happen so the last genreation if it began in 1948 for the Lord to return based on Matthew 24:34 was wrong. Fast forward to 2018 and again SEVENTY years later which is as long as a generation can be and still no rapture. For Psalm 90:10 to be right the rapture would have had to happen by 2021 for the Second coming 2028 and STILL no rapture. My thesis is the beginning date is wrong; bassed on several things such as Luke 21:29-31 discussing ALL the trees (perhaps the whole area prospering economically)
Revelation 11 is wonderful and very deeply really. The content of verse 2 was preached two times by JESUS. First in Luke 21:24, 2nd after His ascension-Rev.11:2-and JESUS reveals that the COURT is given unto the Gentiles and(in the FIRST half of the last week, week 70th) the holy city shall they tread under foot 42 months. But I ask, how? Well, the Dragon will give(to the Beast of sea)his Power, and his Seat(in Jerusalem spiritually called Sodom and Egypt), and great Authority.
Simultaneously,in the other hand,JESUS will give POWER unto His two witnesses,these are the two olive trees,and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth(before the Holy Spirit,Paraclete,Comfort- Jn 16:12-15).wo candlesticks are two Churches-Gentile Church and Jewish Church- Hebrews 12:23.The two olive trees are the two sources of OIL of the two Churches-the OT and NT.JESUS revealed that the two Churches receive Power(verse 6)to shut heaven,that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:and have POWER over waters(over peoples,and nations,and multitudes of all tongues-verse15-18)to turn them to blood,and to smite the earth with all plagues,as often as they will-(The righteous Judgment of GOD-1Cor.6:2-3)-and they shall prophesy ALSO 42 months,equal period the holy city being trodden by the Gentiles.
The worst will be in the 2nd half of the last week.The Beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit -Rev.13:11-18&Ez.21:25- Matthew 24:15-25- shall make WAR against them(against the two Churches-two candlesticks),and shall overcome them,and kill them-Rev.11:7->END of the OT and NT arrived).They that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another;because these two witness/prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
But after three days and an half the spirit of life from GOD entered into them,and they stood upon their feet;and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
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Speaking in finish line, what does the Word of GOD say prophetically? Daniel 12:12 - Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (that is 45 DAYS after the period of the 2nd half of the last week be finished-1260 days-plus a gap of 30 days, according to the calendar). Get ready, "For we are saved by hope- Romans 8:24- but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not- Romans 8:25-, then do we with patience wait for it. By the way, "hope maketh not ashamed (hope does not bring confusion); because the love of GOD is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Spirit which is given unto us.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
Amen
P.S.
Now, in the TURN of sixth GOD's Day to the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium, we are living in the beginning of sorrows, so there will be only and only severe punishiments in the world of Devil as a whole (JESUS listed them- Matthew 24:3-8 and they fulfill LITERALLY), and the true believers will suffer a lot as JESUS warned us- Matthew 24:9-14. And the worst will happen successively in sequence- Matthew 24:15-25-.
Let's remember: Our GOD CURSED the Devil, and JESUS has already CURSED BY WRITTEN the betrayers- Matthew 25:41&46-, but "
upon the earth there be distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea (peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues)and the waves(generations) roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which ARE COMING on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken- Luke 21:25-26 combined with Romans 2:9&11 -->9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 11 For there is no respect of persons with GOD.
Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings? Isaiah 33:14
Matthew 24:14 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come
Read and Believe.
What is one SAVED from?
DEATH
You cannot be saved from DEATH until God sends his angles to HARVEST the SEED.
ONLY mature SEED are harvested, immature SEED are scattered to the wind as is chaff.
Fruit produces SEED, the fruit never look like the SEED, the SEED always looks like the SEED that was planted.
Luke 11:8 Now the PARABLE is this: the SEED is the word of God.
John 1:14 ..... and the word (SEED) was made flesh.
Hebrews 9:28 So Christ (the SEED) was once offered for the sins of many; and unto them that look for him (TRUTH, Christ is truth) he (the SEED) shall APPEAR the SECOND TIME.
Matthew 24:30 Then SHALL APPEAR the sign (the image oft he SEED) of the son of man in heaven (IN YOU).... the son of man COMING in the CLOUDS of heaven (IN YOU).
Colossians 1:27 .... this mystery ..... Christ in YOU ......
Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS by the Spirit (TRUTH) of God; then the Kingdom of God has COME TO YOU.
God Bless YOU!
Verse one states:
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
This verse shows much like Matthew 24:36 that some things apparently are still appropriated by the Father; at least in regard to the timing of events in the future and the day and hour they begin. Admittedly; this is a mystery as Christ is fully God and fully man but we can learn the Godhead and how the Son does nothing apart from the Father here at the very least ( John 5:19). Indeed that verse says the Son can do NOTHING of Himself; which could have been particularly true during His earthly ministry.
Nonetheless we see that death could not overcome Him ( Acts 2:24). God exalted Him as High Priest and King and gave Him all authority in heaven and earth positionally ( Matt. 28:18); restoring the position which He no doubt had since He was the One who created all things ( Colossians 1:16).
verse 3 states Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. It reminds us of the verse in Revelation 22:12 where He states that He comes quickly; and the delay of the church age can be seen in the verse Habakkuk 2:3 where it says although it tarries wait for it and the original language shows that it will surely come in its time and not delay. There is a crown; in fact for those who patiently wait for it; we are warned against losing our crown in Revelation 3:10. See also 2 Timothy 4:8 and Malachi 3:16.
The subsequent chapters show what happens when one casts aside their first love (with the Ephesian church); and other churches as to false doctrines. Since only God knows when the Rapture and subsequent Tribulation begins; any attempt for Satan to bring it forth sooner will fail so many will not believe it when it truly comes.
One of the most if not the greatest warnings from JESUS for exactly these current days is Matthew 25:6: -> 6 And at midnight(isn't it a NEW TURN turn of GOD's Day, 2Peter 3:8?) there was a cry made; Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet Him.
Are you really going although your lamp is trimming? By the way, the beginning of sorrows is already running- Matthew 24:3-8.
The bridegroom will came very soon and the door will be shut, therefore, those which are ready will go in with Him to the marriage- Revelation 19:7-9 , take a look. The door will be shut for ever.
By the way, all GOD's people must remember Acts 1:11 - Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same JESUS, which is taken up from you into heaven(into the 3rd heaven), shall so COME IN LIKE MANNER as ye have seen Him go into heaven(3rd heaven, that is the next world- Luke 20:35-36. Take a look). JESUS was on Mount called Olivet in the day when He was taken up, right? It was around year 33AD and now shall COME in like manner, right? after two Days, right? Hosea 6:2-3 and John 2:19-Take a look- , and the SAME CLOUD that received Him will again be there in His return, understand? For better understand, compare with Matt.17:5 and Isaiah 4:5.
What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? The Word says: Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. Dan.12:v.12 - Yeah, day 1335, the Ineffable, Wonderful, Indescribable, Unspeakable day, the day 1.335. Hallelujaaah!!! It means: 45 days after the period of 1290 days. Get ready you all as JESUS WARNED: Matt. 25: 6-13.
May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection, now, and for ever.
Amen
I agree with the sleep until Jesus comes, because that's what the Bible says.
However, are these verses that say we'll not be saved now but later conflict with your view?
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."
IN THE LAST TIME, not NOW.
1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"
THE END
Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
DOES NOT SAY HE THAT ENDURE NOW, IS SAVED NOW. IT SAYS UNTO THE END, WHICH MEANS THE END, NOT NOW.
Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
PATIENCE. IF YOURE SAVED NOW WHY NEED PATIENCE. YE "MIGHT" RECEIVE.. ITS CONDITIONAL.
Above are 4 verses saying we're saved later, not now. Can you find 4 or more verses that say we're saved now and not later?
So, who are these false apostles (e.g. Edward Burroughs - 1657) and false Christs the 'Word of God' speaks of ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Luke 9:55; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9)?
Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).
Comments posted on this discussion forum, that just tell a story but cannot provide deliverance from 'spiritual' bondage or salvation to mankind, raise many questions according to God's judgment.
Do they follow after an image of a false God ( Exodus 20:3,4,7) and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Luke 9:55;
2 Cor. 11:13-15; Gal. 4:8; Rev. 12:9) or do they remain ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, but have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God ( Romans 10:3).
Matthew 7:7. Seek, and ye shall find.
Seek 'false apostles and false Christs' and ye shall find.
Matthew 7:7. Seek, and ye shall find.
Now, verses 3 to 8 are being fulfilled, the beginning of sorrows, and the decay of the Churches with the development of apostasies and iniquities-verses 9 to 14.
Then, the last week- Daniel 9:27- is about to start and with this event the persecutions of the first half of the week-42 months- Revelation 13:5- by the Beast of sea, culminating with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1,290 days in the second half of the week (plus 30 days)-verses 15 to 27 combined with Daniel 12:11 and 11:v.31. It is the END of this world and a sign of the coming of JESUS: Matthew 24:3 combined with Revelation 11:15-18. Blessed is he who waits and comes at 1335 days- Daniel 12:12 , 45 days after finishing the Abomination of Desolation. GET READY
Interesting question. No one knows the day of Christ's return and the end. Matthew 24:36.
The premise here is that God is waiting on someone or something, but maybe He isn't. There may not be any rush whatsoever. By the signs of our culture and society degrading into immorality and foolish acts of war by the US government it seems like the end will be soon, but we don't know. People have always been evil and corrupt, though. I don't know if its necessarily worse or if we just have more media access and coverage.
I don't think anything is waiting on satan, because he's nothing in the grand scheme of things. He will probably die in hell like all of his followers and I don't see anything bending around his schedule, instead what God wants to do- maybe until He is satisfied with the number of people saved or maybe other things. I don't know.
Thanks for replying.
Jesus didn't come to end the law and make it desolate. He came to fulfill the law and perfect it.
He came to end the Leviticus priesthood where they presented sacrifices that pointed to him.
( Matthew 5:17-18.)
They rejected their king "Which was prophesied" They made their own "HOUSE" desolate. ( A people without a King to set on David's throne )
What the Prince that shall come does is totally different,
In Daniel 9:27 he confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate.
This is the same thing mentioned in Daniel 12:11, (The abomination that maketh desolate.)
This is what Jesus is saying in Matthew 24:15, ( This can't be at the end of Christ ministry because he said it this abomination would be at the end of the world.)
This 3.5 period is called the GREAT tribulation and it's prophesied towards Daniels "THY PEOPLE, ISRAEL.) Daniel 9:24.
You see this played out in Revelation 12:6.
Let's look at who confirms the covenant for 1 week.
Daniel 9:26-27 reads "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: AND THE PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
AND HE SHALL CONFIRM THE COVENANT WITH MANY FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease....
The Romans destroyed the Sanctuary, Jesus is not their prince.
Jesus didn't confirm this covenant and cause it to cease at his death.
Jesus death BEGINS a covenant!
The covenant in Daniel is a totally different covenant the Antichrist will confirm with Israel and cause the sacrifices to cease midway through the 70th week/Tribulations.
Revelation 13:15
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.
God bless.
See pt2
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
The disciples asked Jesus 3 questions and he answered them in verse 15.
Verses 4-14 would be non signs of the end of the world. He says that in verse 6. "And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet."
And then he goes on with the beginning of these sorrows as mentioned in Matthew 24:8 until he gets to verses 14 and15.
Vs 14. "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Vs 15. "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by "DANIEL THE PROPHET, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
WHOSO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND!!:
Jesus is diverting them back to Daniel 9:27 as the key to end time prophecy. The 70th week of Daniel.
"And he/Antichrist shall confirm the covenant with many FOR ONE WEEK: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,)
The Great tribulation begins in the middle of the 70th week with Jesus describing Daniels prophecy as the key and details this event in Matthew 24:16-21.
Daniel 12:9-11 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed TILL THE TIME OF THE END.
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the ABOMINATION THAT MAKETH DESOLATE set up, there shall be a (thousand two hundred and ninety days). 3.5 years!
Also see Revelation 12:14.
( time, and times, and half a time,)
Another way of saying 3.5 years!
The 70th week of Daniel is future.
God bless.
Luke 21:34-36,
"34And take heed to yourselves (believers), lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
A few points on the above.
1. How is it possible that Jesus warns us not be in a state of pleasure and carings of this life when in the great tribulation christians will suffer, persecuted and get killed for their faith in God? How is it possible to be involved in matters of this life when christians will not accept the beast's mark and eventually won't be able even to survive in such conditions?
2. Please pay attention to verse 36, "... that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass..."
3. I have read in older posts that God will preserve us like He did with Hebrews in Egypt. But at that time they were all concetrated at a place, the Land of Goshen. In the future we will be dispersed throughout the whole earth, it is a different thing altogether.
To me it is clear that the time when Jesus comes to take His Bribe is at a different time from His 2nd coming on earth. The condition of the world in those two cases will be completely different.
At the rapture the world is the ususal normal world. People will be involved with their everyday life, not fearing for what comes next, unprepared. Why? Because life will be as usual. Matthew 24:36-40.
On the contrary at the 2nd coming huge catastrophies will be occuring on earth, millions will be killed by the antichrist, people will be scared to death for the things to come. The whole polital/economical system will collapse(the Babylon), Luke 21:25-26 and events on Revelation
2 different conditions on earth, 2 diferent events.
GBU
You asked: Do Believers go through great tribulation?
Yes, they do. Get ready, it will be the last seven years of the Devil's world. It is very important to meditate on our last days of existence in this current system of this devilish world, not because we are going to die, quite the contrary, it is because we will live, we will be alive in these last seven years of the Devil's world, this last period of time of the current world are approaching.
The journey of all believers, prepared or no, for the last seven years, and for the last spiritual sufferings of terrestrial life, it will be similar to the departure of the Hebrew people from Egypt. By the way, there will be two BEASTS reigning in the Earth, one Gentile Beast and another Jewish, that is a false lamb, a false messiah, AN IMPOSTOR, as prophesied JESUS- John 5:43-47 combined with Revelation 13:11KJV. The 1st 42 months of the last seven years, it will be ruled by the FIRST Beast enthroned in Jerusalem by the false messiah as is written in Rev.13:2 and 5-KJV. The 2nd Beast -the false messiah-will rule the 2nd half of the last seven years. Get ready.
Daniel in his prophecy, warned, saying: Daniel 12:11-12KJV
11"From the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (yes, it shall be taken away because there was a certain period of time to cease the sacrifice or be taken out of the way, the restraining, by the way, the sacrifice of JESUS have lasted until this current time or around 720.000 days, and now will cease) and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. JESUS warned us: Matthew 24:15-"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)if not understand, it may complicate, it is what I think), after all it will be 1290 very tense days.
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days