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why do we worship on Sunday instead of Saturday? If the star appeared in the east, how could the wise men end up in Bethlem which is west. Why do we celebrate Christmas in December when there are no shepherds in the fields in December because they are kept in town until warm weather......could you shed light on these questions. I know that Constantine 1 decreed on March 7 321 that all worship in Rome would occur on Sunday the day of sub worship but when II added everything up, I got a bad number..... March 7 is the 66th day of ear and adding 321 Ad 3, 2, and 1 is 6 which together is 666.Now, according to Daniel and Revelation, the antichrist will be a pope and the beast that gives him his power is the Roman catholic hierarchy. SO>..... why do we worship on Sunday???????

Sorry I meant Jesus' crucifixion, not Jesus' resurrection in Matthew 27:62-64

Hey Giannis,

I did read your post to GiGi, I read all the posts. It is ok our understandings are different. Jesus fulfilled the prophets and the law down to the last dot. Jesus is our Passover Lamb that shed His blood and was resurrected from the dead on the same day of the Feast of Firstfruits.

My understanding is the high day that John called the Sabbath was an annual Sabbath that there are 7, not a weekly Sabbath. The Passover Day that Jesus was crucified on is a preparation day and is the preparation day in the verses you listed, all leaven had to be gone before sunset on the 14th of Nisan.

The next day the 15th was a holy convocation, a Sabbath, and that evening when they ate the Passover meal and God delivered them out of Egypt, the 15th, Exodus 12. The last day of this seven-day feast is also a Sabbath regardless of what day of the week.

My understanding is, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on the 10th of Nisan the first day of the week the same time people put up the Passover lambs. John 12:1-12 puts it 5 days until Passover when Jesus rode into Jerusalem. If you look at the activities of Jesus from the day, He rode in and when He is crucified in all 4 gospels you may find it will not get to Friday.

Again, I enjoyed the conversation, I am sure we both agree Jesus shed His blood for us and resurrected from the dead giving us our only hope of salvation and eternal life with Him.

God bless,

RLW

Dear Ronald

Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.

Matthew 27:62-64

"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,

Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.

About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.

GBU

Hey Giannis,

Many people call the Passover an eight-day feast, even in Jesus' day. Some say Feast of Unleavened Bread and some feast of Passover. Passover is on the 14th and the Feast of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th -21st. In Matthew 26:17 it starts; Now the first day of the Feast of Unleavened BreadIn Mark 14:12 and in Luke 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread when the Passover must be killed In John 13:1 Now before the feast of the Passover this was after the Last Supper. The Last Supper was on Passover Day.

Passover Day is a preparation day for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The first day of the Unleavened Bread Feast is the Sabbath, Exodus 12:16. On the 14th all leaven had to be purged from the houses and Jerusalem. This is the preparation day that is in scripture not Friday the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

John 18:28 confirms the Passover lambs had not yet been sacrificed or eaten because they did not want to be defiled, they passed the blood of the lambs to the altar. This would be done after the sun started going down, any time after noon. This was going on at the same time Jesus was hanging on the cross. The Passover lamb was eaten on the night of the 15th the night they went out of Egypt, Exodus 12:29-32. Jesus was in the tomb when the Passover meal was eaten.

If Jesus was crucified on Friday, we do not have three days and three nights and there are not that many days covered in Matt, Mark, Luke, and John. If Jesus was crucified on Wednesday, Thursday would be the Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and the women could have gone to the tomb on Friday because it would be a preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, So Thursday would be the only day of the week that fits scripture.

That gives Thur. day, Fri. night and day, Sat. night and day Sun. night Jesus rose before sunrise, John 20:1 it was still dark.

I hope this is enough to make sense.

God bless,

RLW

By George I think he's got it!

Dear Ronald

If Passover was on Thursday, how is to be explained John 18:28

"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." So according to John Jews had not eaten the Passover yet. In Mark 15:46 we are given a significant information "And he (Joseph of Arimathaea) bought fine linen (after Jesus died on the cross), and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre." If that day was Passover how Joseph was able to BUY that fine linen. Passover was holiday, no work to be done, no selling /no buying. So the Passover was to start that evening.

What day was that? John 19:31 gives us an answer.

"The Jews therefore, because it was the PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." It says it was the preparation day, the day beFore sabbath, that is Friday

Also see Mark 15:42 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath" In Greek Friday is still called Preparation Day ("Paraskevi hemera")

So we come to a question mark. The first 3 Evangelists say that Jesus had eaten the Passover with His disciples on Thursday evening. John (who writes his gospel last of all and as historians say when he was very very old, that is many decades after the first 3 gospels were around) disagrees. He places Passover one day later. So which one is right? John is right, he had no reason to correct the others if he didn't consider that he should do. So it seems that Jesus had the passover meal with His disciples a day earlier because He knew that He couldn't have it on the right day. So Passover and Sabbath coincided that year.

GBU

Bruce. He was crucified Wednesday before 6:00 pm sunset on a special sabbath

In Nissan and rose Saturday night before sunrise Sunday morning. He never

Ate the Passover meal with His disciples because he was the Passover for all

Mankind. Work all four gospels in correct time sequence and you'll see.

Bruce i don't know if this can help you....But on the 3 rd day after he arose 2 of his disciples met him on the road to Emmaus and said this is the 3 rd day since these things began....And we had hoped that this wd be he that wd redeem Israel....And this is the 3 rd day...Little did they know that this was the very Christ that died and had risen again on the 3 rd day....And they dined with him and he was known to them by the breaking of bread....The 3 rd day....We are early in the 3 rd day now....Spiritually speaking....Maybe he has risen again and we just don't know it yet...Jesus said that the bridegroom wd come at midnight...Which is a time of darkness....ok gbu

Hi Bruce.

The miscalculation is the sabbath day. Jesus had to be buried before the sabbath. (After 6:00 pm Friday starts the seventhday sabbath.) So some assumed Christ was buried Friday. But apparently they had another sabbath earlier in the week "perhaps Wednesday"

There's 4 sabbaths observed by Israel. This would put you in the area of this issue. Hopefully others can help.

God bless.

Hey Bruce,

I understand your why. Do we follow tradition or scripture? Jesus addressed the Pharisees on traditions. The verse I love that highlight it, is Matt. 23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. It is the same with the wise men at the manger, and two of each animal went into the ark, and Jesus ate the Passover meal.

There are traditions and sometimes people defend them fiercely. We have some traditions with memories of family, friends, and loved ones passed down from generations. Tradition is for teaching and learning as the apostles did. On the other side, things can be added to, or changes made to traditions and become dressed as something else and take away or change the true meaning.

We must pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit to show us what we should not participate in and what we do we do unto the Lord. My understanding is Passover day was on the 5th day of the week what is called Thursday. This day started at sundown on the 4th day, Wed. and on that day, the Lord's Supper, the garden, the arrest, taken to Pilate, crucified and died the same time the Passover lambs were being sacrificed and He was put in the tomb before sundown, days start at sundown.

This would make the 6th day Fri. the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread which John called a high day, no work could be done other than to eat, the reason the women could not go to the tomb until the morning of the first day of the week, the Feast of Firstfruits with two sabbaths Fri. and Sat. I can give the scripture if asked.

God bless,

RLW

Hello Bruce,

You are correct to believe the words of Jesus rather then men, he was our faultless savior and not even guile was found in his mouth. The Jews do start a 24 hour day at "evening" or sunset, Gen 1:5"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day." You will need to closely look at all the Gospels from Matthew to John starting around when Jesus and his dispels kept the Passover at the end of each Gospel, keep notes its tricky to keep track, each Gospel holds a piece of the puzzle.

More importantly Bruce I hope Jesus finds you perfect and without fault when he comes again. Have you obeyed his Gospel and his plan of salvation?

*Repentance - turning away from all sinful evil works.

*Baptism in Jesus' name - being completely submerged in water with the name of "Jesus" spoken of you for the remission of your sins. His name is the one you must be saved by Acts 4:12.

*Receiving the Holy Ghost - being filled with the Spirit of God and when this happens you "will" speak in a different language "tongues". John 3:8

But don't take my word for it take his, Acts 17:11 "These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

See it happen for yourself in Acts chapter 2, 8, 10, 19, and 22. May the Spirit of the Lord be with you in your reading!! Halleluiah!!

Doh ! I said 6am when I meant 6pm ! Sorry .

This might b explained by the way the Jews start and finish their days , our days start and finish at midnight and theirs at 6am .

Relative to the time you speak. The resurrection happened according too God the Father time line. Every word in scripture is vital. This question u ask, I am not sure of too this point and time. What is vital, is that, Jesus did die, and rose again!

Jesus said he would be 3 days and 3 nights in the grave. The traditions of men have Jesus dying on the cross Friday night and resurrecting early Sunday morning. Most churches do the same.....why? Don't they go by the Bible

Sabbath : Exodus 20:8,10,11, Exodus 31:14,15,16, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2,4,6, Numbers 28:9,10, Deuteronomy 5,

Nehemiah 13:19, There's many more scriptures, hopefully you'll find them all helpful

Jesus observed the Sabbath & fulfilling the Sacrifice: Luke 23:17,54,55,56, John 19:31, Acts 13:27, Matthew 28:1, Mark 6:2, Mark 16:1, Matthew 8:17, Luke 4:21, Acts 13,

Matthew 12:8,

Matthew 8:15, Mark 1:31, Mark 15:41, Luke 8:3,

but go, show yourself to the Priest. Luke 5:14, Luke 17:14, Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44,

Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18-19

A day in the life of Christ part 3

In looking at and comprehending Christ's unlimited attributes; we might think that with no surprises as to the assessment of men; that He wouldn't experience some of the reactions that He did. One notable example of this was with the Centurion who prayed for His child. ( Matthew 8:5-10). In His human emotions there was nothing wrong with this; in essence He was greatly rejoicing and "basking in the moment" as it were. Mark 6:1:6 shows the opposite example; that of the unbelief of those from His own hometown. This was righteous annoyance if not downright indignation; again not any surprise to the Son of God. Other times there are instances where He wept; careful study of those scriptures gives us insight as to WHY He did so; often associated with the unbelief and blindness of others. It should be noted that as the "Man of Sorrows" there is no verse showing Him laughing while on earth ( Isaiah 53:3). There is no die hard rule here; but we should carefully assess our reasoning for humor and ensure it isn't for inappropriate thoughts.

Again; it is clear that there were varied levels of depth to Christ's speech; particularly in regard to the parables which He expounded to the Disciples privately after declaring them openly. They were designed so that those who thought they could see were revealted to be blind. ( John 9:39; etc.) He therefore upbraided His disciples frequently for not understanding. To draw all men unto Himself; therefore meant all those the Father had given to Him ( John 12:32; John 6:37 for comparison). We see His temporary solitude with the Disciples after the death of John the Baptist be abruptly halted after the crowds followed Him. Since only some of the crowd was sincere; it shows the nature of Christ in continuing to meet their needs despite the grief of Himself and the Disciples. His priorities made such decisions to care for others above His own needs (coming to serve and not be served

I see Jesus Coming down the mountain, I must wait as He is fast and their are many following Him. I will only have a minute. I will ask Him as I look into eyes and I know He sees my heart through my leprosy, and ask Him "if He will, can He heal Me "?

This is the condition needed for us to be healed!

We need His healing every moment of everyday!

In the midst of people who want to get close, but are not in His way, we wait and watch predicting His next move! Oh, that my heart would be ready when I finally see Him face to face! As I hear Him say, "yes be thou healed!" Remember me Lord when you enter into thy kingdom!

And the evening and the morning were the first day . Try reading Genesis .

How long was a day in Gods creation.

Hello Fabian TAIMABRI,

Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,

Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,

Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,

Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"

see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,

GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,

It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,

Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,

In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,

1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,

Hopefully these are all helpful

Casting out demons,

Jesus gave instruction, I'm not aware of scripture in the Psalms specified for that. But David who is accredited as author of many of the Psalms written in the Bible, was able to have an evil spirit leave Saul, by playing music. 1Samuel 16, however this seems different, because note: 1Samuel 16:14, 1Samuel 15, note 1Samuel 15:23,

Please read & study these:

Mark 1:34,39, Mark 3:14-15, Matthew 12:28, Luke 11:20, Mark 16:9, Matthew 8:16, Luke 4:14, Luke 8:2, Matthew 28:18-20,

Jude 1:2-10, note: Jude 1:9, Acts 19:13-17, Matthew 12:39-45, Luke 11:14-26,

Mark 6:7-13, Luke 9:49-50,

Matthew 10:8, Mark 16:17,

Matthew 17:14-21, Mark 9:17-29,

James 1:2-7, Luke 11:1-13,

Hopefully these are all helpful

J. D. Riles:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE .......

Most DO NOT have knowledge of the Kingdom of God.

Ephesians 4:4 ......ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ......

Ephesians 4:6 ....ONE GOD and Father of ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .......

John 14:6 ....I AM TRUTH .....I AM LIFE ......

John 17:21 That they may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you: that they may ALSO BE ONE IN US .....

Christ is a BODY that HOLDS the LIFE of his Father.

John 5:19 ....the SON can do NOTHING of himself ....

John 5:30 ...I can of mine own self DO NOTHING .....

WE are a BODY that HOLDS CHRIST (the life and truth of our Father).

John 15:5 .... for without me you can do nothing .....

What happen at the CROSS of Calvary?

Sinful flesh was crucified (all mankind died that day); three days latter all mankind was raised a NEW CREATION.

Matthew 8:22 ...let the dead bury the dead ......

They now have the LIFE OF CHRIST:

BUT they have NO KNOWLEDGE.

1 Timothy 4:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the LIGHT .....

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH IT (the new creation) a body as it hath PLEASED HIM: and to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in YOU ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

To be BORN AGAIN is to come to TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE and LIFE.

Christ is the LIFE IN YOU, and Christ CANNOT SIN.

Revelation 12:9... and Satan who deceiveth the whole world was cast out ....

You are either the TEMPLE of SATAN: dwelling in deception, with no knowledge.

OR:

You are the TEMPLE of God: dwelling in truth and light and the LIFE OF CHRIST.

Psalms 82:6 For I have said: Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....

We die daily to deception and are daily being born again of truth.

God Bless you!

There was 1st a Priesthood in: Genesis 14:18,

Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.

Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.

Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,

Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,

Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.

They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,

I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.

Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions

Hi Roy. Briefly, the Son of Man is a title used exclusively by Jesus - His disciples never addressed Him as such.

Jesus used it to emphasize His humanity ( Matthew 8:20; Mark 8:31), though there were occasions where He used the title, Son of God ( John 3:18; John 5:25; John 9:35-37; John 10:36; etc).

The title, Son of Man, also goes back to the Book of Daniel where the Son of Man would inherit the everlasting kingdom of God ( Daniel 7:13,14). It is a designation of the Messiah Who would inherit God's everlasting Kingdom.

At His trial Jesus acknowledged that He was indeed the Son of Man - the one who would bring in God's everlasting kingdom ( Matthew 26:64,65). When the religious leaders heard this they accused Him of blasphemy - making Himself equal with God.

The purpose of the title seems to be Jesus' Own emphasis on His Humanity. And through His Humanity, doing the Works of God as none other had done before & bringing the Words of God as they never heard before, the people would also see that this was no ordinary man (as was believed, the son of Joseph & Mary), but One of God, sent by God. Jesus' Life even till His Death proved to at least some folk that this Son of Man was indeed the Son of God: they needed to come to realize this fact by observation, not by His proclamation.

Yes,

Matthew 4:24, Matthew 8:8-13, Matthew 8:16, Matthew 12:15, Matthew 12:22, Matthew 15:20, Matthew 19:2, Matthew 21:14, Mark 3:10, Luke 4:40, Luke 5:15, Luke 6:18, Luke 6:19, Psalms 147:3,

John 16:23, Luke 11,

Hopefully these help, comfort, direct & encourage you as you seek GOD & HIS healing

I believe it was to clearly point out the fulfillment of Prophecy. Please see:

Son of David prophecy : 1Kings 9:5, Jeremiah 33:17, 2Chronicles 7:18, Psalms 132:11,

The coming promise of deliverance : Jeremiah 23:5, Jeremiah 33:15, proclaimed: Matthew 22:24,43,44,45, Matthew 1:1,

Luke 18:38, some identified JESUS as by different names for significance to themselves, healer, deliverer

Son of GOD : Genesis 6:2,4, Daniel 3:25, Matthew 8:29, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 27:54, Mark 1:1, Luke 1:35, Romans 8:14, Matthew 11:27,

Son of Man : prophecy : Daniel 7:13-14, Revelation 1, Genesis 3:15, Ezekiel 30:1-4, Job 25:4-6, Job 35:8-16, Matthew 24:30, proclaimed : Mark 14:21, John 12, Matthew 11:19,

Additionally he was called the BRANCH : Job 14:7, Psalms 80:15, Isaiah 11:1, Isaiah 14:19, Jeremiah 23:5, Zechariah 3:8, Zechariah 6:12, proclamed: John 15,

Also "shall be called Nazarene " Matthew 2:23,

Hopefully this is helpful