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Job 21:24, Psalms 63:5, Proverbs 3:8, Hebrews 4:12,

As opposed to what? Destroying the evil? Genesis 6:5-6,11,12, He did that in Noah's day: Genesis 6:7-9, Genesis chapters 6-9,

Genesis 8:21-22, Gen. 9:9-17, therefore HE made a covenant of mercy. Yet HE also makes promises of giving an "account"

Genesis 9:5-6, Psalms 37, Isaiah 61:3, Romans 12:9, Hebrews 10:30, Jude 1:7,

It's like this Genesis: GOD gave dominion to man over the Earth, including sea. Gen. 1:28, It's a ' stewardship ' that all men will give an account for. Matthew 25:31-46, yet the Earth still belongs to GOD : 1Corinthains 10:26,

GOD gave Moses a set of "Best Laws" That if people obeyed, would cut down on suffering. Instead many have rebelliously rejected, mocked & ignored & refusal to enforce. Whose then to blame for suffering in consequence? Proverbs 3:27,

I think it amazing that GOD intervenes on our behalf so many times. Exodus 3:9, Psalms 12:5,

& ultimately gave us Salvation John 3:16-18, Ecclesiastes 5:8,

Hopefully this is helpful

Amen ! Our God & Jesus are unfailing always ! Trust in the Lord with all your heart & lean not in our understanding & in all our ways acknowledge Him( Proverbs 3:5-7) . God is always with us , His Word( Bible ) is always with us. All of us ,no matter what color we are,what part of the world we dwell in ,etc etc etc...Our Lord made us all in different colors , different sizes, different genders . ,different languages .These factors don't matter.God is what matters.Let us ( in a figurative sense ) join hands ,pray together ,continue to work to bring people to God ,He is coming, we don't know when so always be prepared !God Bless All of You !

I ask you to pray & I will also pray for you, for protection & clarity & discernment in these matters.

I had a friend years ago that had said 'her mother would say something to people she didn't like about fire to cause them fear' a while after that me & that dearly loved friend had a deep discussion about a medical targeted abortion. I pleaded with her not to be afraid but trust GOD, I had told her how so many things that were wonderful about her that would be in that child. She had already had the abortion. Sometime around that she would say "she had dreams about me & house fires, dangerous & was concerned for my family " after saying that to me multiple times, then no longer speaking to me. It literally bothered me over the years, causing unwelcome concerns. Then I would remember what she previously disclosed & GOD's power & protection. Matthew 5:44,

Peoples words spoken over someone can be curses or blessings but GOD says Edify one another & not to curse. Here are some scriptures: 1 Thessalonians 5:8-11, Romans 14:19, warning, Psalms 62:4, Psalms 109:28,

Remember the promises spoken over us by GOD. : Genesis 12:3, Numbers 22:12, Deuteronomy 11, Nehemiah 13:12, Proverbs 3:33,

Proverbs 26:2,

Hopefully this helps remember: John 16:13,

Please Reflect on Psalm 46, John 16:33, Isaiah 43:2, and Proverbs 3:5-6.

Hi Kristina. I took up the four Gospels here as I could relate to that rather than attempt to enter into the other comments on Proverbs 3:18.

You mentioned that you are bothered by people taking the Translations too literally & that by doing so, we're imposing our wills upon people. Actually, we do have to take the Bible literally (where the text demands a literal view), or else we can make it mean anything we want to. In regards to Bethlehem, in Matthew 2:1, "Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea" & then confirmed in v5, "In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet..."

In these verses, it is confirmed that the Bethlehem spoken of is in Judea. Therefore, it couldn't be Nazareth or near it, which is in Galilee. Now if the problem is that an archaeologist has stated that this reference to Bethlehem is simply one of convenience so as to fulfil prophecy, then he has to come up with some very good evidence why his belief is correct. So if a preacher, even one from the C of C preaches about Bethlehem being in Judea, I have the Scriptures to verify that, unlike anyone else that wants to tell me otherwise, who gives no substantial proof. I don't see that the preacher is forcing anything upon anyone - we all have the Scriptures & we can search them to verify the message. A preacher will soon be found out if his messages are inconsistent with the Bible.

There is limited value in studying those apocryphal books you mentioned, even the Quran (which I've studied as part of ministry). Unless one has the fully trustworthy Scriptures to compare to, we might be inclined to believe anything we want, & we will never know how far we have detoured from the Truth. Some believe that all religions lead to God or if one has 'faith', then that is all that is required. Unfortunately, those roads lead to destruction of the soul, & have no part in God's Message of Love shown in the sacrifice of His Son. The road is narrow - much narrower than what we would like to believe.

Chris,

It appears we are sharing without even communicating by message. I was going to mention the same of the texts of Matthew. Mark. Luke and John. However. I didn't want to take you off the subject matter. Now that you did. The writings of the four books have been found by Archeological research to have been written by anonymous writers decades later after their name sakes deaths. I understand the translations may read otherwise. Yes, the writings have substance. Some stories are consistant. There are statements that have been disproven. IE: The birthplace of Jesus Christ. There are 3 contenders for the birthplace. Bethlehem 1, the Church of the Nativity, Now in the Palestinian controlled West Bank.

Bethlehem 2, on Galilee, near Nazareth.

The 3rd place is in Nazareth itself , an Archeologist with the Orthodox Church stating the story of traveling to Bethlehem was merely a story for the early church to fullfill a Jewish Prophecy and history to associate Jesus to the House of David since King David was from Bethlehem.

The thing that bothers me about taking Translations so literally. Many Christians are imposing their wills on people that don't realize they are being told we are choosing for you.

Much would be learned by studying other Scriptures that are not part of of the "Standard" Bible. The Gospels of Thomas, Judas, and Mary. More Hebrew Scriptures have been found as well.

As you stated earlier, not all look at the scriptures as giving joy and hope. When they are used by some for the wrong purposes. Sometimes I have found more comfort in the Quran. Many people that leave the church leave because of another Christian.

A Woman of Great Faith in God that i most admired and loved said to me " The COC has plenty of Preachers, what we need are good Ministers. We need to be Ministered to not preached at." When we are ministered to it gives to conversation about faith. And isn't that what God is all about. What you believe. Faith.

Apologies Kristina, I didn't realize that your comments applied to another thread - so I don't need to intrude into that discussion. However, we can't say for certain about the authors of the Gospels (apart from John 21:20-24, which gives us a clear indication of the writer, John). There is ambiguity there, even though some interesting arguments have been presented, for & against.

Yet, I wonder how that would change our thinking & appreciation of the texts, if we did learn that Matthew, Mark & Luke weren't the actual authors. How ever the Gospels were compiled, whether by others, word-of-mouth, or from fragments of notes, the message remains consistent throughout, in spite of some differences, additions & omissions (which would be expected). Considering the passage of time since Jesus walked on Earth & submitted Himself to His Father in life & death, what we have in our hands now is quite remarkable, with their accounts bringing many to realization of their sinful condition & giving great joy & hope to those now In Christ. Every blessing.

Chris,

Thank you most kindly for your message. I was commenting in response to the numerous comments made regarding the interpretation/understanding of Proverbs 3:18. Not any one in particular. I understand the interpretation is to the reader/church fellowship is to each's own. However, when the reader/church fellowship imposes his/her interpretation as the only way to be and that they are the only true Christians or Saved People there is a problem.

Going back to Proverbs 3:18. Good you mentioned Islam. The Tree of Life has a very Sacred meaning to people of the Middle East especially to the Jews and the Muslims .There is no misunderstanding of she, The Tree of Life and what she represents.

Also, There are few questions of who wrote the Hebrew Scriptures. However, The New Testaments of Matthew. Mark, Luke and John were not written by their name sakes. These books were told several times before being written by different people many years later. This has been verified by scholors and archeological groups. It is nonsense to use suc text from unknown authors to go back and redefine texts written by such a well known Author as King Solomon of Jerusalem and Palmyra.

PEACE BE UPON YOU CHRIS

FROM KRISTINA

Hello Kristina. No offence taken - at least nothing from me. Was just trying to figure out whether the focus of your comment was on a tree in the Song of Solomon, or some other aspects of the Bible. Churches will apply their own interpretation of the Scriptures, just as you probably look at Scriptures in a certain way. It would be good if we all read the Bible as it was meant to be understood, but that's not going to happen as Christianity is both large in numbers & spread over the globe and each Church Fellowship will hold to teachings as they have been given. Only the much smaller groups seem to have a common understanding of the Word, particularly if there is an overall leader that dictates how the Word should be studied.

Even in Islam & most religions, you won't find perfect agreement on everything written in their books. So, as Christians, we are cast upon the Lord & the Spirit He has given us to make His Word clear & precious to our hearts. Maybe if you specified a particular verse or passage, giving us your meaning of it, so that we can consider it & comment. Otherwise, it would be difficult for us to know exactly the purpose behind what you have presented, hence no one has been able to respond to you.

Apologies to any offended Christians. My intent is not to offend. I was raised in "The Church of Christ". I identify as EX Church of Christ. Proverbs was written by King Solomon with a few contributions from others. These Old Testament writings are Hebrew Scriptures. The best understanding their meaning 9coming from someone knowing, reading and/or etc the Jewish Scriptures. Or try a Jewish Bible.i.Christianity did not exist at the time of these writings The she is a Tree, which is essential for our environment where life grows. History has told stories of the beauty of Solomons Temples and Gardens in his Jerusalem and Palmyra. The Israelites knew trees made the apperance of the temples and the gardens beautiful. And more mportantlly they made the environment healthy. The Jewish Holidsy "Tu B'Shevat", The New Year of The Tree is celebrated each year. Remember English Translations of the Bible are just that "Translations". By the way, the King James Version, a Translation, written as a Literary Work of Art commissioned by King James of England And it seems different denominations including the Church of Christ interpret those translations anyway they want. King Solomon was very gifted in the wise department. He is not so hard to follow. Be open minded! Read for yourself and think about it. I hope this simplifies the understanding of this scripture. Peace be with you all.

What I do know is that God didn't lie:

Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?"

Titus 1:2 "In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;"

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The Bible says to trust Him, and not lean on our own understanding of how things should happen, or if certain promises should have applied to him, but didn't:

Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

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Only God knows the "hidden things of darkness" in the hearts of men (we can't know everything):

1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

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And God's thoughts and judgements are infinitely higher than ours:

Isaiah 55:6-9 - 6Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

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The Bible also shows us there are things that can shorten our lives - I obviously don't know if this specific verse applies, but as an example, having certain things in his heart and actions (even if it's not this particular verse) wouldn't be honoring the parents who raised him:

Psalms 55:23

"But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee."

Hello Charles, The key is to trust in the Lord Jesus, and that may seem obvious, and easier said then done, but my encouragement is to pray fervently throughout each day, that the Lord God would help you trust in him with all your heart as He instructed:

Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding."

We can't simply will ourselves into no longer having fear under our own power; because without Christ we can do nothing (even simple things like trusting Him) - therefore, we need to pray that He will be the one that makes the change in us.

John 15:5

"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing."

The Bible says in 1 Thessalonians 5:17 - "Pray without ceasing." so keep praying day after day without ceasing until He gives you that trust and answers your prayers and cry for help.

The Bible shows us fear is a sin ( Revelation 21:8), so it's something we all should be on guard against, and it's good you are confessing it, because James 5:16 makes it sound like that's part of how we are healed from such a fault:

James 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

And like any other sin, God promises to give us a way to escape it:

1 Corinthians 10:13

"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

Next time temptation comes, go to the Lord Jesus for escape, trust Him, and keep your mind on Him:

Isaiah 26:3

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

Maybe even sing hymns as you pray - it helps you keep your mind on Him and when they prayed in prison the chains broke off( Acts 16:25)

Pls meditate on these verses

Proverbs 3:5&6 Kjv

5. Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

6. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Jeremiah 33:3 Kjv

Call unto me, and i will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things which thou knowest not.

Psalms 50:15 Kjv

And call unto me in the day of trouble, i will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

Psalms 121:1&2 Kjv

1. I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.

2. My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.

Hugs & Prayers for you today.

Proverbs 3:25&26 have been my go to verse in times of trials. I will pray for the Lord to send you a special earthly Godly Friend to help lift your spirits & for you to lift theirs. God Bless

It's hard loosing loved ones . Jesus said in John 14 :1 let not your hearts be troubled,ye believed in God believe in Me also.

Proverbs 3:5

Trust in the Lord with ALL thine heart and lean not on thy own understanding.

I'm praying for you . Keep your head up and keep the faith. God isn't done with you yet. God bless you

God loves you and so do I

Proverbs 3:5&6

Trust in the Lird with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding, in all thy ways acknowledge him and he will direct thy paths.

Praying for you.

The favor of God can be described as "tangible evidence that a person has the approval of the Lord." When we favor someone, we want to be with him or her. We delight in him/her. We connect with him/her in a way we don't connect with everyone else. We usually favor people who also favor us. IN THE SAME WAY, God shows favor to the ones who delight in, connect with, and give honor to Him. Isaiah 66:2 says, "These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word." 2 Chronicles 16:9 says, "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong on behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him." To be "perfect" toward Him means we seek His favor more than we seek the favor of anyone else, even ourselves.

Proverbs 8:35; "For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favor of the LORD."

Psalms 5:12 "For thou, Lord, wilt bless the righteous; with favor wilt thou compass him as with a shield."

Proverbs 3:4; "So shalt thou find favor and good understanding in the sight of God and man."

Satisfy me Lord with favor and fill me with blessing in the name of Jesus!

In the mighty name of Jesus, I claim...

-help reading your Word, daily

- divine wisdom from your Word

- patience with my family

- divine favor in family and business

- prosperity, bless tithes and offerings

-shield me from satanic attacks

-help finding a better job, home

- lend me angelic support

- the release of finances

Isaiah 26:3

You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you.

Luke 13:11; John 5:5; Acts 10:38; Acts 3:2; Acts 4:9

Speaking words of faith strengthen your spirit. Stay strong and you will be blessed for it.

Psalms 37:4, but also consider Romans 1:21-32,

I pray GOD give us HIS holy desires in our hearts that are pleasing to HIM. Psalms 12-14,

To Martha,domestic violence is an abomination ! Don't know if you have children involved in this equation ,don't know what area of our country you live,but most cities,countries have resources for this. They can provide shelter,legal advisement, clean clothing if you have to escape without anything,finding a job assistance, help with medical care,counseling to get over the trauma physical, psychological, emotional, childcare so you can find a job,& find a safe place to live,etc.For example, in Georgia where I am ,HOPE FOR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE (678)-410-7411.If you don't know of resources in your area,try giving a call. I will pray for you that our dear Lord will guide & see you thru this.Get your birth certificate, also if children are involved,copy of your marriage license,copy of medical records,school records if applicable. Try to save any money you can. Put stuff you get together in a safe place .Prepare as best you can but please get out. These are stressful timesbut there is no excuse for abuse.They also can help with legal advisement & services. Proverbs 3:5-7.If you have other family maybe they would be willing to help you. Have to be careful with this as it can get tricky as your abusing spouse knows them also.The main point being ,get out of unsafe situation .

Desire God, follow Christ, and your needs will be fulfilled.

Your NEEDS, not necessarily your wants - important difference. God knows your needs!

Matthew 6:26

"Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?"

In Christ.

Hi Brian God will give any man the desire of his heart as long as the man's will is God's heart His word which is

what is being stated in context In proverbs at both places. Trust in the Lord with all thine Heart and lean not to

thine own understanding[not by the sense walk by the spirit our dat and time] acknowledge Him in all thy ways

then he shall give you the desire of thine heart'

I say: Jesus is our hearts desire

I say: God will give us wat we truly need.

I say: Our Father will give us good gifts to us, His children

palms 37:4

He will give you your hearts desire.

Some say He will put his desire in your heart , others say he will know your desire , and will give .

What say you ?

I have found this quote to be accurate " The only thing necessary for evil to triumph , is for good men to do nothing " (Edmund Burke). I have relied on this scripture since my family first showed me as a child & I am 65 : Proverbs 3: 5-7 ,along with others. I have been heavily involved with community service all my live , my family taught me to help others , in whatever way can in good times or in bad.I have been following this website since I ran across it quite awhile ago . Helpful in Bible study. Good to share.

Tony,

I just wanted to add to discussion, Proverbs 12:28, Proverbs 3:11-12,

Pray "FATHER GOD ALMIGHTY deliver me from all addiction, restrain me, sustain me, direct, me guide me, help me LORD."

I will & have prayed with you in agreement on this. I also pray for healing in every way. Matthew 18:18-20, John 14:12-15,

Psalms 22:24, Psalms 145:16-19,

Advice stop talking, texting, meeting & calling those who lead u in wrong directions, & habits. Flee!! Psalms 143:9,

Psalms 51:2,

Psalms 139, read this when you feel alone & hold tight to GOD & HIS promises, cry out to HIM. HE does deliver, HE does heal.

In the King James Version there is no incarnation, but here is the definition for incarnation - a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or abstract quality. (in Christian theology) the embodiment of God the Son in human flesh as Jesus Christ. John put it this way

John 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

We as christains say the word was manifested in a fleshly form. The word that was spoken to mary was manifested into a flesh and blood as a baby.

God Bless

stay prayed up ready to go up

cowboy

what does incarnation means

Have faith ,trust ,believe.Also Proverbs 3:5-7. I love Psalms & Proverbs ! Be steadfast.

Proverb 16:4, Psalm 37, Psalm 139, Romans 8, Ecclesiastes 7:17-18, hopefully these are helpful in your study.

Both answers are correct in ways

Exodus 34:6-7, . Psalm 103:1-22, 2 Peter 3:9, Proverbs 3:11-18