Discuss Revelation 22 Page 2

  • Jesse - In Reply - 11 months ago
    (Revelation Part 3c):

    Revelation 1:3 Continued

    And so, it's very interesting. Blessed is the one who is reading, those who are hearing, and those who are guarding the things that are written in this book. And again, this is a continuous habit, a continuous practice of reading and hearing. But notice that it's called prophecy, they that hear the words of this prophecy.

    Now this is very important. The book of Revelation is called prophecy. Words is plural, but prophecy singular. But this book is called prophecy. The word prophecy comes from the word prophet that just means to be a spokesperson for God. Not on your own, but rather to speak God's word. Like the prophets of old, they would foretell. They would tell about the future.

    But the prophets of the New Testament, especially around the time of John in the mid 90's A.D., it wasn't foretelling, it was forth-telling, telling forth the word of God, taking the book and ministering the word of God. But it's interesting that as we get into the end of Revelation, the last Chapter, there's actually promises and warnings.

    In Revelation 22:18-19, he says for I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, and again, Revelation is called prophecy, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

    That's pretty serious! As I mentioned at the beginning, the book of Revelation is God's final prophecy and His final message to His church before He comes back. He wants the church to be focused on His message to them. We get that message in Chapters 2 and 3, His instruction to the church before He returns.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    The End times: Where we stand today

    On this day in 2025 we look to the future and assess what has come to pass in recent years and decades. There have been multiple attempts at peace in the Middle East since the 1970's since the agreement with Mubarak in 1979; and the infamous "two state solution" which was initiated with the PLO in 1993 but had its roots from the late 1930's; apparently. We certainly see in recent years the "Abraham accords" as a likely predecessor of a final covenant with many ( Daniel 9:27). Overall we have to listen to the admonishment of Habukkuk 2:3 For the vision is yet for an appointed time, but at the end it shall speak, and not lie: though it tarry, wait for it; because it will surely come, it will not tarry. This shows there is a delay before the initiation of end times events but that it will rapidly transpire once unleashed. This concept also could be observed with this verse in Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

    This of course seems like a contradiction after 2000 years since Christ came and left this world for glory. It is like the adage of waiting for water to boil; or perhaps the one about a frog in slowly heated water. We need to be careful with such admonitions as this For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. ( Luke 21:35).

    What are we to make of this? On one hand we realize that the "gates of hell" will not prevail against the church ( Matt. 16:18); but we also know that even the "elect would be deceived if that were possible" ( Matt. 24:24) in the coming time of false prophets; signs and wonders. Since the verse indicates that it isn't ultimately possible for total deception of the elect we have assurance IF we are indeed those He is talking about. The elect will hear His voice and not follow another ( John 10:26-29). We need to make our calling and election sure ( 2 Peter 1:10).
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Lionheart.

    In John 5:38-40 we have Jesus speaking to the Pharisees.

    And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

    Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

    And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

    Jesus is referring to the old testament scriptures. The new testament haven't been recorded yet.

    I mention this because the old testament/covenant established under the Levitical priesthood was a foreshadowing of the new covenant that Christ brought in on the cross.

    So you see, the Gospel of salvation is mentioned throughout the Bible starting with Genesis. Most notably ( Genesis 3:15 )

    You may be able to parallel John 5:38-40 with Hebrews 10:5-10.

    Here's just a few notable verses.

    Genesis 22:16-18.

    Galatians 3:6-9.

    Galatians 3:16-19.

    John 3:16-18.

    Acts 4:12.

    Romans 10:9-11.

    Ephesians 2:8-10.

    Revelation 22:17.

    I hope this helps.

    God bless you.
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen.

    Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

    Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen.

    Hebrews 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;"

    1 John 2:3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

    Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Blessings,

    Matthew 5:20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

    Revelation 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
  • Azzan77 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Amen.

    Revelation 22:14

    "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city."
  • Ronald Whittemore - 1 year ago
    Is our soul or spirit immortal?

    Part 4

    Many people interpret Luke 16:19-31, the story of the rich man and Lazarus, as a literal account rather than a parable. However, in Mark 4:11 and Luke 8:10, Jesus explicitly states that He spoke to others in parables. We must consider the entirety of Scripture when evaluating this story, as I have referenced only a few relevant passages.

    If this story were literal, it would imply that individuals receive their rewards immediately after death. This notion contradicts the rewards are given after the resurrection, as indicated in Revelation 22:12, Luke 14:13-14, 2 Timothy 4:8, and 1 Corinthians 15:51-54, along with what we see in Revelation 20:4.

    What was the purpose of this story? Is it our choices, what we have faith in, God, or do we crave wealth, or do we have faith, and charity, 1 Corinthians 13:1-13. This story shows the rich man rich in worldly things, but poor in morality, and Lazarus the opposite. This story also points to Jesus' death and resurrection, Luke 16:31. We see that is what happened, they still rejected Jesus after He was hung on a cross and died, put in a tomb, rose from the grave, and spoke to them for 40 days, and it did not convince them.

    See part 5
  • Steve421 - In Reply - 1 year ago
    I suppose these men should take heed, but, if you don't know God then why would they care. The LORD our God had said three times, not add to the word that I command you nor shall you diminish from it.

    Deuteronomy 4:2 Proverbs 30:6 Revelation 22:18

    So thank you all who have participated in this discussion. It has somewhat answered my original question of the use of parentheses in our KJV.

    My conclusion thus far is that the parentheses were added into the translation to somewhat denote as a commentary by the translators that this section of scripture that was written by the original author is merely a thought added to the original thought.

    And in another case; maybe that some of the original words were not Holy Spirit inspired such as in Romans 3:5.

    I was so blessed to have chosen the KJV to read when I wanted to know the truth. It was after reading this Holy Scripture that I was completely convinced of our Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus.

    And in my study, so far, to compare the KJV and the modern bibles, it is apparent that so much, faithfully, spiritually, and hope and love is lost in the modern bibles. Today it is extremely difficult to find a church that uses the KJV.

    We want to save Mormons, JW's and Muslims, I think we need to save modern bible users as well from their lack of understanding.

    Again thank you all who participated in this discussion, as we worship in spirit and in truth.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Derek.

    Welcome to the site.

    This is a debated topic with good competent people on both sides.

    I would refer you to , Revelation 22:17.

    Do you thirst?

    Whosoever will come" is a phrase that means anyone who wants to participate is welcome.

    This verse is interpreted as an INVITATION to all people to come to Jesus and receive eternal life.

    Salvation is in the person of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

    This sacrificial gift is a display of God's love to the WHOLE WORLD!

    The Gospel is not hidden unless you refuse it. Believing and receiving in a "gift" is not an act of works if so then no one would be saved.

    Blessings.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gigi.

    PT 7

    Whosoever will come" is a phrase that is often used to extend an open invitation, implying that anyone who wants to participate is welcome.

    It appears in the Bible in Revelation 22:17, which says, "And let him that is athirst come; and whosoever will, let him take the Water of Life freely".

    The verse is interpreted to mean that Jesus offers eternal life in Christ to everyone who hears the word of the cross.

    The "thirsty" in the verse symbolizes a deep spiritual longing or need, and the invitation to "come" is open to all who recognize their spiritual need.

    This is a appeal to Everyone, not just the elect!

    Everyone is given the light to recognize their spiritual need. The issue is that men loves Darkness.

    Jn 1:7-9.

    Jesus came for the lost sheet of Israel. Jesus Christ ministry began in Israel. They were blind to the gospel because of nonbelief.

    Jn 1:10-12.

    That brings us to Romans.

    You can't interpret the passages in Romans 9 with the mindset that it applies to the church or salvation!

    Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the PURPOSE of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

    This speaks of un merited Grace and chosen WAY is given by the word of promise apart from BIRTH RIGHT.

    You have to draw your conclusion from Romans 9:6-12 to get the proper context and use some of the OT passages as reference.

    You referenced Deuteronomy 7:6-8 as a "GOD'S FAVOR IS UPON HIS PEOPLE WHOM HE CHOSE, NOT BECAUSE THEY CHOSE HIM" and Therefore, God chose Israel as His favored people, because from them, the Messiah would be born and live and die to save those God chose to save from pre-creation.



    I would say that is only partially right.



    This is not a passage that can be used as an example for electing a people for salvation.

    God chose A MAN to enter an unconditional covenant with and to perform an oath with whom he would make a father of many nations

    See 8
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Gigi.

    GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD.

    Part 2

    I stated, In the context of your posting, God so loved the world should be kept in John 3:16.

    Gigi the reason I say that is because you contributed "WHOSOEVER" to only the elect when I mentioned it to Carlton as salvation being an invitation to all.

    Whosoever thirst in Revelation 22:17 is the same whosoever in John 3:16.

    God so loved the world is uniquely cosigned to John 3:16 because of what follows! "That he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

    Let's examine that verse and include the previous verses.

    14) And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    My questions to you would be, Jesus gave the example of Moses lifting up the serpent in the wilderness.

    Was that to emphasize an elect or was it for the whole congregation?

    And if God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that only the elect might be saved. When did he began to love them "after" he chose them or before?

    If you're saying he loved them "before" he chose them then that would include "ALL" being that there was no difference between them all.

    So, the whosoever is an invitation to All!

    If he loved them after he chose them.

    Are you saying God is partial?

    It is getting late. See part 3 over the weekend as I read over a few more postings.

    Blessings.
  • David0921 - 1 year ago
    What is the TRUE GOSPEL? (Part 1)

    The True Gospel is circumscribed by the Bible, Alone and in its Entirety, the 66 books of the Old and New Testaments, in its original languages. The King James Version, is translated from the oldest and most reliable manuscripts available, and the translators sought to stick as closely as possible to the original text; This is in stark contrast to the modern translations that use inferior manuscripts and seek to reinterpret the original text and put it in more understandable language. That said, the KJV is far from perfect, it does contain errors, and the KJV translators were heavily influenced by the doctrines of the church, which when viewed from the superior vantage point of our day when we are very near the end of time and God is opening our understanding to many truths that were previously kept sealed (read Daniel 12:4,9), were often faulty. Therefore, the serious Bible student should always carefully check the original languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek using the modern tools that are readily available, such as interlinears and concordances, which are keyed to the KJV.

    By definition, any gospel that cites an authority that is outside the 66 books of the Bible, or narrower than the Bible, is a False Gospel. That includes gospels that look upon other books as divinely inspired or that feature the teachings of those who claim to have received direct revelation from God, whether in a dream or a vision or tongue, as in the tongues described in 1 Corinthians 14.

    Revelation 22:18-19

    "18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

    Continued in Part 2
  • JTBOUNDS - 1 year ago
    As a SPIRITUALLY ORDAINED and SANCIFIED MINISTER of Jesus Christ God Almighty, according to Romans 13:1-4, come as prophesied MANIFEST WITHIN ME, according to Isaiah 9:2, 6-7; St. Matthew 4:16; St. John 14:1-21, highlighting verses 20-21, and 2 Corinthians 4:1-7, I have recently sadly discovered that at least two (2) highly important chapters of the OFFICIAL KJV of the Bible of THIS WEBSITE have been wrongfully and shamefully removed, being 1 John chapters 4 and 5! I know for a fact they have been present this year. Suddenly they're now both gone! Please return these chapters of the Bible immediately, including any other chapters I'm not currently aware have been removed as well! Please note, the last chapter of the Bible, Revelation 22, verses 18-19, as it is written (KJV)

    Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

    19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
  • Poppybrown75 - 1 year ago
    Revelation 21:4 - And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

    John 14:2 - In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

    John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Romans 10:9-13 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (Read More...)

    1 Corinthians 2:9 - But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

    Revelation 22:1-5 - And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. (Read More...)

    Luke 23:43 - And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

    Matthew 6:19-21 - Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: (Read More...)

    Luke 12:33-34 - Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth. (Read More...)

    1 Timothy 6:17-19 - Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; (Read More...)

    Revelation 21:22-27 - And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. (Read More...)

    Hebrews 11:16 - But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
  • Ronald Whittemore - 1 year ago
    Just some thoughts on Revelation 12 it covers the past and the future up to the beginning of the 3.5 years of tribulation.

    Part 3

    Satan then goes after the remnant of her seed those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The remnant of her seed is the faithful people here when the tribulation starts. Like the ones before us who have been persecuted and killed, the fathers and prophets, and after Jesus the thousands upon thousands who have been tortured and killed in the name of Jesus, why would the last be spared when the first was not?

    This starts the 3.5 years of tribulation as we see in Revelation 13, in the original text it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea to give his power, his seat, and great authority to the beast. We see in Rev. 11:7 and Rev. 17:8 that this is the bottomless pit. There are not seven years as some say we see when Satan is cast down and the beast rises, he is given only 42 months, and that is 3.5 years Revelation 13:5. It all starts when Satan is cast down the short time he has is 3.5 years.

    The end of the 3.5 years will be when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, Luke 21:24 Romans 11:25 Revelation 11:2. Then the second coming of Jesus, Matthew 24:29-31 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Revelation 1:7 Revelation 3:11 Revelation 19:11-16 Revelation 22:12.

    Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    This is what is coming, everyone will be tempted to take the mark of the beast, Jesus will give us if we are here the strength to say no even if we face death. Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 15:2

    God bless,

    RLW
  • JimmyJohns629 on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    Notice that Satan and the Beast give us a number, but God gives us a name. It shows that while to Satan, we are just a somebody in a sea of nobodies, to God were are treasured and valued.
  • Shantel - In Reply - 1 year ago
    LoriWoolf

    Revelation is about the revealing of Jesus Christ.

    The kingdom of God is Jesus Christ and YOU as ONE FLESH.

    The prophecy applies to YOU and Christ, as being one flesh.

    Revelation 22:10 .....Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the TIME IS AT HAND .....

    Matthew 4:17 .... for the kingdom of heaven (God) IS AT HAND ....

    The REVELATION is the same whether one lived 1900 years ago, today, or 1900 years in the future.

    It has nothing to do with Russia, Iran, Trump or any other nation or person.

    TODAY is the day of salvation, whether it was 1900 years ago, today, or 1900 years from now.

    The prophecy is for each person, as Christ reveals HIMSELF (truth and life) to that person.

    Apply Revelation to YOURSELF, not to some nation, or other person.

    God Bless You
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey brother Jesse,

    I also believe Revelation 22:18-19 is for Revelation only and Jaz said it well about Jesus being tempted as we are. I do not want to stir the pot and you don't have to reply. I know most on this site know my understanding of this through my discussing it, I just felt I needed to reply. I know many believe Jesus was tempted but Jesus couldn't give in to temptation, it was impossible for Jesus to sin.

    We are told our Savior our priest and the only mediator between us, and God was tempted as we are tempted, would not this temptation only be valid if he could succumb to temptation and was able to sin? If Jesus' temptations were real, then he must have been able to sin, but He lived a perfect sinless life totally obedient to His Father's will not His in every way. Jesus lived a sinless life means that we can receive salvation through Him because He was a perfect spotless sacrifice. He was born under the law, and He fulfilled it perfectly, He died for us, and Jesus was the first who God His Father by His Spirit raised Him from death, and in Jesus is our only hope.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hey Brother Chris,

    I don't believe that Momsage was directing that to me. She is aware that I do not read the NIV, so sending me the history of it would be of no benefit to me. I know she has mentioned that she's not very good at posting yet, so maybe she meant to begin a new thread? I don't know if that's the case, but I don't think what she posted was intended for me personally.

    As for Revelation 22:18-19, I am also in the camp of those who believe John is referring to the book of Revelation. Going back to Chapter 1 where John is told to write the things he saw. John got to see prophecy unfold (as it was happening, I believe) and he was told to write what he saw. He ends with the warning not to add to the prophecy of the book he wrote.

    What's interesting to note is that in Revelation 1:3, it says, "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand." Now here's something that I think is very important. The book of Revelation is called prophecy. Words is plural, but prophecy singular.

    But this book is called prophecy. The book of Revelation is God's final prophecy, and final message to His church before He comes back. Revelation Chapter 22 says don't add to the prophecy of the book. It's the last book of the bible. That's why it is there. It is the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Just think about all these "Modern day Prophets" proclaiming that God gave them "new" prophecy. We're not to even go there!

    God Bless!!!
  • Chris - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Thanks Momsage for that interesting read & I managed to pick through your various parts to get the complete message. I know that you're directing this to brother Jesse, but thought to highlight your reference to Revelation 22:18,19.

    The reason that some (including me) believe that this reference applies only to the Book of Revelation is that this message from Jesus to His Church (& of course to others, if they choose to hear it or read from it), is His final message & no more would be sent from Him from that time on till the close of the ages. If there should be anyone who would claim to have received a message that amplifies or adds to this Book (of Revelation), then they would do themselves great harm. And let's face it, what more could be added to that final Judgement Day where all sinners having loved sin & refused to turn to their Creator are dealt with; as those who have cleaved to the Lamb of God in spite of everything coming against them, will enjoy eternal bliss with their God & Savior. This alone tells us that God's Plans & Purposes for Heaven & Earth are now ended. Could there be anymore after that? God only would know & we are not to use our brains or supposed heavenly revelations to further prop up or add to this Book.

    As well, the Bible as we have it now, was not put together at the time of the apostles (they only had the OT writings), & the Churches received their apostolic letters (both Church-specific & circular). So, the warning in Revelation 22:18,19 to those who want to distort this Word from the Lord, would be doing so only to THIS Book & not to the Bible as a whole. Yet, we still remain responsible & answerable as to how we treat the rest of God's Word, both in our understanding & teaching to others, always open to God's Spirit to help us learn & apply it correctly. GBU.
  • Richard H Priday - 1 year ago
    Similarities in God's angels and redeemed man

    The word for "angel" apparently means messenger or Pastor in Revelation 1:20; and OR it refers to an angel over a church. I tend to defer to the idea that it means both; as clearly the Spirit leaves a church where the "candlestick" is removed. That would mean whatever other angels of God were hanging out for whatever purposes ministering wouldn't be likely to stick around either except perhaps for a few individuals who hold to the faith. This gives us concern; of course with a good Pastor being removed or a bad one remaining. Oftentimes it seems a leader is good then turns rogue; particularly today.

    Revelation 19:10 states At this I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your brothers and sisters who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For it is the Spirit of prophecy who bears testimony to Jesus."

    Revelation 22:9 But he said to me, "Don't do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!"

    These verses along with others in the Old Testament show that angels of the Lord don't wish to be worshipped. All glory goes to God. They will normally appear as men; hence the saying in Hebrews 13:2 on entertaining angels unaware.

    Although not redeemed as man is; those angels that remained true also are about the Father's business as Jesus was and all of us are supposed to be doing. They are no doubt awesome and greater than us; but are fighting battles on our behalf in heavenly places. We see this principal in Daniel 10:13-21 with the Prince of Persia being held back for 21 days. This intersects and corresponds with the time Daniel had been praying and fasting. It shows how the great men of God would have important top ranking angels involved in these conflicts.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi Gigi.

    I thought it may be good to start a separate thread.

    Part 2.

    Limited Atonement is unbiblical. It goes against the Nature of God!

    Limited Atonement is defined in this way; "For God so loved the ELECT, that he gave his only begotten Son, that HE GAVE THEM THE ABILITY TO BELIEVE in him so they will not perish but have everlasting life.

    For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the ELECT; but that the ELECT through him might be saved.

    Gigi that is not the Gospel (good news)

    Universalism is a belief I don't hold to, though I wish it was true because I wish that no one should parish. However, it's unbiblical. God also wish that no one would parish, 2 Peter 3:9.

    Universalism is something we have been pushing back against for years on this site because it ignores the Judgement of God and the hate of sin amongst other things.

    Limited Atonement is no better being it ignores the Love of God without partiality and many of God attributes as well.

    How are we to minister to a lost world by telling them that if you are not of the elect that the invitation and verses like Revelation 22:17 and John 3:15-17 doesn't apply to them.

    What use of verses like Matthews 5:13-16 would be to us?

    The Gospel would not be Good News to most of the world!

    One other thing that Limited Atonement and Universalism has in common is that neither requires a response from the listener and if we are regenerated as early as in the wound and regeneration doesn't mean re-birth, then when do repentance take place?

    I'm surprised you can go through a series of who God is and yet hold to such a view.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - 1 year ago
    John 6:37 states "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    THE INVITATION IS TO THE WHOLE WORLD!

    John 1:7-9. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that ALL MEN through him might believe.

    He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

    That was the true Light, WHICH LIGHTEST EVERY MAN THAT COMETH INTO THE WORLD.

    1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: (AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY)...BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD.

    ( John specifically included the Greek word holou, which means "whole, entire, all, complete.")

    Revelation 22:17. And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And LET HIM THAT IS A THIRST COME. And WHOSOEVER will, let him take the water of life freely.

    God loves each and every person ( John 3:16)

    an atonement limited by God as a denial of the omnibenevolence of God.

    Out of love God sent Christ to atone for the whole world. But nit everyone will respond.

    God bless.
  • Oseas - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Rainwalker

    JESUS is the KING of kings - kings made by He Himself - Re.1:8 and 5:10, and LORD of the lords. Michael is a lord, a Prince of GOD. JESUS sent him to the isle of Patmos-Re.1:1. Revelation 22:8-9 clarify: 8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down TO WORSHIP before the feet of the ANGEL which shewed me these things. 9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship GOD.

    JESUS is God- Hebrews 1:8, not an angel, nor Archangel. JESUS and Michael are two distincts persons. By the way, Michael the Archangel fought / contended against the Devil when he disputed about the body of Moses (by allegory we may understand Israel was the body of Moses), and now again he shall contend with the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world, fighting/ disputing about the Body od Christ: now, even now, from now, in the time of Apocalypse, Satan now called red Dragon, he shall be cast out from this current heavenly environment- Ephesians 1:3-8- into the earth, and his messengers shall be also cast out with him.

    Michael shall cast Satan into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more.

    Be careful or else get ready
  • James Brian Hill - 2 years ago
    ( Revelation 22:17.) We ask the Lord Jesus Christ to restore our Liberty and Freedom. We seek to dwell in Isaiah Chapter 55 and in Psalm 127. We ask the Lord Jesus Christ to help us to depart from Georgia. ( Proverbs 16:3.) James Brian Hill (son) and Sharon Rose Hill (mother) at 195 Wrigley Court, (Jacobs Field), Hull, Madison County, Georgia 30646. (706)206-2313 and (706)247-0742. Again, we surrender our lives and our home to the Lord Jesus Christ and to HIS Holy Spirit. Amen.
  • Adam - 2 years ago
    Happy Sunday. Some verses that jumped out at me...

    1 Timothy 3:16

    Colossians 1:14-20

    John 14:6

    Isaiah 48:12, Revelation 22:13

    My interpretation: Jesus is a big deal. Probably bigger than we realize and He loves us and died for each of us that we may choose to follow Him. God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - 2 years ago
    Revelation 22:2 The tree of life

    God since the time of Genesis in the garden has kept man from the tree of life; first with Cherubim guarding it ( Gen. 3:24) then it apparently being placed in heaven as it appears once again only after the Millennium and Great White Throne judgment. God; of course in His infinite wisdom has given those who are children of righteousness eternal life. In reverse order from the original fall; man gains spiritual life first; then a resurrected physical body later. Or; as some have said a believer dies once ( Heb. 9:27) and lives again; while all others live once and die twice (first physically then spiritually). The second death technically means they will live again physically but in a body to endure eternal physical punishment.

    Obviously; men couldn't be allowed to eat something that allowed their original body never to die. This would preserve wicked sinners forever in theory. More importantly it would circumvent God's plan for redemption. He allows those in a glorified state only to eat of this tree from what scripture indicates; thus physical healing or preservation may be a sort of way of continuance of life in a glorified body. Christ Himself was able to eat in a glorified form; but will abstain from fruit of the vine until He returns. Some of these things are theoretical; but it is entirely possible that specifically those who survive the Millennium who do not rebel WILL be in the Book of life and be translated into the eternal Kingdom. It would seem they also would have glorified bodies; but the fresh memory at first may require healing and wiping away tears ( Rev. 21:4) from what happened at the last rebellion. Maybe it is tears of joy. In any case there will be eternal bliss from that point forward!

    Another fact is that only then will all nations be able to function together with no further possibility of rebellion. That also is a form of healing promised; a world ruled with eternal peace and love
  • Oseas - 2 years ago
    We just entered in the seventh and last GOD's Day, or seventh and last millennium. In fact, we are already living in the beginning of the first century of the last millennium.

    John 7:37-38

    37 - In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.

    38 - He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

    The Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. Revelation 22:17

    Re.22:7 - 7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.Re.22:16

    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie-Re.22:15

    Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him-Mat.25:6
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Jema,

    There is no contradiction, we see in Exodus 33:20-23 God told Moses he cannot see my face and no man can see me and live, so God showed Moses His backside, that is the closest any person has come to seeing God. Matt. 5:8 Jesus says those pure in heart meaning those who are amongst the saints/saved will see God. Job knew this as he says in Job 19:26, his glorified flesh/body.

    We have our confirmation in Revelation 22:3-4 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

    We will see God's face and the Lamb/Jesus for they will be the light and the temple of the new earth and the new Jerusalem, Revelation 21:22-23.

    God bless,

    RLW


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