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This will only go to the Jews, The New Covenant, because the old one didn't work for Israel.
Hebrews 8:7
For if that firstcovenanthad been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hebrews 8:10
For this is thecovenantthat I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Jeremiah 31:31
Behold, the days come, saith theLord, that I will makeanewcovenantwith the house ofIsrael,and with the house of Judah:
Romans 11:27
For this is mycovenantunto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Ray in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Jesus Christ kept the resurrection a secret.
Matthew 13:35
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have beenkeptsecretfrom the foundation of the world.
Jesus Christ has secrets .
Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which waskeptsecretsince the world began,
Apostle Paul was revealed the mystery of Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is themysteryof godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Apostle Paul was revealed another mystery.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of thismystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Jesus Christ revealed mystery to Apostle Paul in a revelation.
Ephesians 3:3
How that by revelation he made known unto me themystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
Apostle Paul know the mystery of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 3:4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in themysteryof Christ)
Apostle Paul was given the gospel of grace in a mystery.
Ephesians 6:19
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known themysteryof the gospel,
Apostle Paul was given another mystery in Christ Jesus.
Colossians 1:27
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of thismysteryamong the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
A Gentile is definitely not called a unsaved person. A Gentile is a none physical Jew living on this planet earth. According to God in Heaven, we have the Jews and we have the rest of the people that are Gentiles living on this earth. Jews are part of the Twelve Tribes of Israel .
Genesis 49:28
All these are thetwelvetribes of Israel: and this is it that their father spake unto them, and blessed them; every one according to his blessing he blessed them.
The Gentiles never had the Law in the Old Testament.
Romans 2:14
For when theGentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Because the Gentiles did not believe in God in the Old Testament, they were called blasphemy.
Romans 2:24
For the name of God is blasphemed among theGentiles through you, as it is written.
The Gentiles had there own righteousness.
Romans 9:30
What shall we say then? That theGentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
Jesus Christ called the Gentiles dogs.
Matthew 15:27
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet thedogseat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Because the fall of Israel, the Gentiles are blessed with the gospel of grace.
Romans 11:11
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto theGentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
The Gentiles now has the gospel.
Romans 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to theGentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of theGentilesmight be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
I am a Gentiles saved by grace.
Apostle Peter had to tell his Jewish followers to see Apostle Paul for Salvation in his Epistles.
2 Peter 3:15-16
15And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Apostle Paul is giving information that is very important for today.
Romans 11:13
For I speak to youGentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of theGentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of theGentilesbe come in.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ our God
Thanks for your reply Evangelist1. You ask, "How was it Israel specific?" Yes, wherever we read of Laws, Directives, & Instructions given to Israel, they are for them alone. We can however learn about God's dealings with Israel, of God's Character & Purposes, but we need to draw a clear line between them & the Church. Remember, even as we read in Romans 11:12-27, that God has cut out Israel (temporarily, because of unbelief) from the olive tree & engrafted the Church into that tree, therefore forming a new people (of believing Jew & Gentile)) that come to Him in true love & faith because of His Son. So, unbelieving Israel has been separated because of unbelief & now we have the 'real' people of God who are now believing & living according to the commandments by the Holy Spirit & the directives given to the Church.
To this end, the Apostle Paul instructs the Church (through pastors Timothy & Titus), in what is commonly called 'Paul's Pastoral Epistles', on Church organization, conduct, & supervision. Though the 'churches' comprised both saved Jews & Gentiles, the Church has become a new 'organism' IN Christ, where the Holy Spirit now conducts the hearts & ministry of believers as a Body. As such, what was distinct in the OT concerning Israel's relationship to God pertaining to the Law, has no bearing on the Church founded on Christ which is wholly redeemed and accepted through Faith. Onto Page 2.
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Apostle Paul and Apostle Peter separated with there own beliefs. Apostle Paul went to the Gentiles and Apostle Peter went to the Jews. We will never have a Jew knock on our door for the gospel of grace, it just not happened.
Galatians 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of theuncircumcisionwas committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
God is speaking to us through Apostle Paul's epistle for doctrine and for instructions to live a glorious life on earth, until Jesus Christ calls us up in the clouds for the Rapture.
Romans 11:13
For I speak to youGentiles, inasmuch as I amtheapostleoftheGentiles, I magnify mineoffice:
1 Timothy 1:11
According to the gloriousgospelof the blessed God, which was committed tomytrust.
God in Heaven is given us a warning that we should take the gospel of grace serious. Apostle Paul was given the gospel of grace.
Romans 2:16
In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according tomygospel.
May God in Heaven open the blind eye of the people that been deceived by the serpent.
2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as theserpentbeguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
May God bless our Bible study in righteousness and in love in Jesus Christ .
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 Apostle Paul's gospel of grace given to him from above.
We don't believe in Apostle Paul for Salvation, he is just a man led by the Holy Spirit. We believe the gospel that Jesus Christ told Paul to write for Salvation, 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
No one ever said Apostle Paul is another Jesus, all we are saying that Apostle Paul is our Apostle for the Gentiles in this age of grace.
Romans 11:13
For I speak to youGentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of theGentiles, I magnify mine office:
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of theGentilesbe come in.
We that are saved follow Jesus Christ for Salvation and doctrine, but it will have to be in Apostle Paul's epistle, and the rest of the Bible for learning.
1 Corinthians 11:1
Be yefollowers ofme, even as I also am of Christ.
We can learn from the Old Testament and the four gospels.
Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for ourlearning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
The Bible is cut and dry and simple to understand Salvation if we rightly dividing the word of truth . Apostle Paul is the one teaching us today.
2 Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
May God pour His Spirit upon this ministry so all may understand the truth and grow in grace with Jesus Christ.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 may the truth be revealed to all
I would like to share my understanding, but please pray and study to find the truth you seek. The breaking off of the branches was necessary to graft in the wild branches, representing the Gentiles. This mystery relates to the temporary blindness of the Israelites until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, as mentioned in Romans 11:11 and Romans 11:25. It's important to note that this blindness is not permanent. This goes back to the promise God made to Abraham, in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, that seed is Jesus.
Just to say this was not all the house of Israel as we see the Church began with Jews, to the Jews first. It was not until the leaders of Jerusalem shut their ears to Jesus and killed Stephen was the gospel sent to the Gentiles, Acts 7:54-60, and still many Jews believed in Jesus. They were broken off because of unbelief, we must stand by faith and not be arrogant.
I don't view the Gentiles as a group being cut off; rather, it's each individual who faces such a fate. There will come a time when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. The falling away will occur among those believers who lack strength in their faith and who are unable to endure until the end.
Dear brother, I do not believe in the rapture as taught with the taking up the Church, and the seven years. You must pray and study for your understanding without preconceived ideas relying on the Holy Spirit not man. Study where the 7 years come from, and study 1 Thessalonians 4 with prayer asking what are the people concerned about. When Jesus returns and people meet Him in the air where is the destination?
God bless your study, trust in God, He will show you the truth, not man.
RLW
Israel just didn't want to believe that Jesus was in there mist and denied that he was there Messiah, the King of the Jews.
Romans 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; thatblindness in partishappened toIsrael, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
People today don't want to believe that Jesus Christ sent Apostle Paul to the Gentiles to spread the Gospel of Grace in all his epistles. Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wertgraftedin among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
The Gentiles will get cut off the Olive tree that was grafted in by being the wild olive branch.
Romans 11:18
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
I believe all three fits in 2 Thessalonians 3 " falling away " , " Apostasy", and "Departure "
1. Falling away = wild olive branch that will crumble just before the 7 year tribulation begins.
2. Apostasy = Jews being deceived by the Antichrist in the 7 year Tribulation.
3. Departure = Rapture before the 7 year tribulation.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come afallingawayfirst, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
I believe that the Gentiles will be full in the Body of Christ and there will be a falling away of the wild olive branch ( Gentiles) then the Rapture will happen like the departure and Apostasy, the Antichrist will appear.
Remember when Israel felled .
Romans 11:12
Now ifthefallofthem betherichesoftheworld, andthediminishingofthemtherichesoftheGentiles; how much moretheirfulness?
If there is a remnant of Jew believers, then there is a remnant of Christian believers and that is super small amount on earth .
If we were to take out Apostle Paul's epistle out of the Bible, it would be very difficult to find Salvation today. Apostle Paul was a chosen vessel unto the Gentiles and Jews to spread his gospel inwhich Jesus Christ gave him through the revelation of the mystery.
Acts 22:3
Iamverily a man whichama Jew,bornin Tarsus, a cityin Cilicia, yet brought upin this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Apostle Paul is the least of the apostles, just like Jesus Christ said Elias is the least.
Matthew 11:14
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
1 Corinthians 15:9
ForIamtheleast oftheapostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, becauseIpersecutedthechurchof God.
Even though Apostle Paul made others blasphemy, it was done ignorant back when he was a Pharisee.
1 Timothy 1:13
Who was before ablasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Jesus Christ gave Apostle Paul a office to preach to the Gentiles Salvation.
Romans 11:13
ForIspeak to youGentiles,inasmuch asIamtheapostleoftheGentiles,Imagnify mineoffice:
Jesus Christ gave himself to Apostle Paul and us too.
Galatians 2:20
IamcrucifiedwithChrist: neverthelessIlive; yet notI, butChristlivethin me: and the life whichInow livein the fleshIlive by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
There is power in the gospel of Christ Jesus inwhich the Jews and the Gentiles are saved.
Romans 1:16
ForIamnotashamedofthegospelofChrist: foritisthepowerofGod unto salvation to every one that believet
Acts 22:3
Iamverily a man whichama Jew,bornin Tarsus, a cityin Cilicia, yet brought upin this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Apostle Paul is the least of the apostles, just like Jesus Christ said Elias is the least.
Matthew 11:14
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
1 Corinthians 15:9
ForIamtheleast oftheapostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, becauseIpersecutedthechurchof God.
Even though Apostle Paul made others blasphemy, it was done ignorant back when he was a Pharisee.
1 Timothy 1:13
Who was before ablasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Jesus Christ gave Apostle Paul a office to preach to the Gentiles Salvation.
Romans 11:13
ForIspeak to youGentiles,inasmuch asIamtheapostleoftheGentiles,Imagnify mineoffice:
Jesus Christ gave himself to Apostle Paul and us too.
Galatians 2:20
IamcrucifiedwithChrist: neverthelessIlive; yet notI, butChristlivethin me: and the life whichInow livein the fleshIlive by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
There is power in the gospel of Christ Jesus inwhich the Jews and the Gentiles are saved.
Romans 1:16
ForIamnotashamedofthegospelofChrist: foritisthepowerofGod unto salvation to every one that believeth; totheJew first, and also totheGreek.
Here is Apostle Paul's gospel inwhich we are saved. Jesus Christ is the author of this verse.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached un
2 Corinthians 3:15-16But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
( The it mentioned here is their heart!)
It is Israel that was blinded because they sought righteousness by the Law. Romans 9:31-32 and other places.
Also Romans 11:6-11 reads
"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the ELECTION hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Let their eyes be darkened that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
A temporary blindness! Romans 11:25-26.
Quoting you!
Paul says very clear, very open, very bold, you know exactly what the gospel is. It isn't hidden. It's not behind a vail. It's out in the open.
That's very clear. The Gospel, "The Good news, or A good message "
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith.
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; Romans 9:30-32.
Peter sums this up in Acts 15:5-11.
Great study!
God bless.
Romans 11:1-12 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
God is declaring, you see, in verse 11, through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles (non-Jews). Now the same is true of the fall of the churches in our day during the great tribulation.
Cont. in Part 5
Romans 11:32 - For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
For God has concluded, and this word in Greek means imprisoned, but God has concluded them all in unbelief, in order that he might have mercy upon everyone.
You kind of get the point that it is mercy. It has nothing to do with religion.
Romans 12:1 - I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
Paul says I beseech you therefore, brethren. This is not a command. The Greek word for beseech actually means to make an appeal. He says I appeal to you. This is something that comes in a response from our hearts toward Christ.
Paul says I appeal to you therefore, and the premise or basis for his appeal is by the mercies of God. Literally, it is through the mercies of God, but that's the designation that Paul is using for the first half of the book of Romans.
He says you have been condemned, justified, and sanctified, saved and sealed by the Spirit of God, all through God's mercy. They are all the mercies of God! So, what Paul is saying is "I'm appealing to you based on the mercies and compassions that God has shown to you."
Romans 10:17 - So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The terms "by" in the text is actually the preposition "out of" as a source. Faith is a fruit of God's Spirit. It is not of man. Faith is a word that describes the activity of God's Spirit. Faith comes to us from out of hearing God's word. His Spirit ministers to us and persuades us and gives us the faith to do what God wants us to do out of the hearing of His word.
Romans 11:7 - What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
The rest of Israel were blinded! The word for blinded is POROO, pronounced Po-ro-oh. It's where we get our word porous from. It means to harden, to become stubborn, to cover with callouses.
And so, when it uses the word blinded, it means that Israel became insensitive to God. That's what callouses are for. You know, when you get out and start digging for the first time, you get blisters, and after a while you build up callouses. It makes it insensitive so that you don't feel it as much. They had become calloused.
Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
Do you see how that fits in? Nothing shall separate us from the love of God. I have shared this in the past, but there are two words in the Greek for repentance. METANOEO is the normal word for repentance for salvation.
The word repentance, and there's two words in the Greek. METANOEO is the normal word for repentance. That's the repentance for salvation. METAMELOMAI is used of Judas Iscariot in Matthew 27:3. That word doesn't mean I repent, it means I'm sorry, like "I'm sorry it all happened."
This word here in Verse 29 is METAMELOMAI. This is in reference to Israel over the sovereign election of Israel. God is not sorry for His gifts and His calling.
You did not come across as saying a Jew had to stop being a Jew or a Gentile had to become a Jew. I guess I was not clear on this, At Pentecost when the Holy Spirit was sent as promised it was only the Jews who first received it and the beginning of the Church was all Jewish. To the Jew first, and also to the Greek, Romans 1:16. Being Jewish after they accepted Jesus as the promised Messiah and received the Holy Spirit, they continued in Jewish ways keeping the feasts and the Sabbaths and worship at the temple, even Paul after Jesus called him.
After Jesus called Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles there were contentions as we see in Galatians 2 between Peter, James, and Paul and it continued. Maybe I am looking too deep but I do not hear this discussed, is this part of making the Jews jealous, Romans 11:11. I feel some things are overlooked that could help when talking to a Jewish person about Jesus.
I hope this makes sense.
God bless,
RLW
Part 3
Satan then goes after the remnant of her seed those who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The remnant of her seed is the faithful people here when the tribulation starts. Like the ones before us who have been persecuted and killed, the fathers and prophets, and after Jesus the thousands upon thousands who have been tortured and killed in the name of Jesus, why would the last be spared when the first was not?
This starts the 3.5 years of tribulation as we see in Revelation 13, in the original text it is Satan standing on the sand of the sea to give his power, his seat, and great authority to the beast. We see in Rev. 11:7 and Rev. 17:8 that this is the bottomless pit. There are not seven years as some say we see when Satan is cast down and the beast rises, he is given only 42 months, and that is 3.5 years Revelation 13:5. It all starts when Satan is cast down the short time he has is 3.5 years.
The end of the 3.5 years will be when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled, Luke 21:24 Romans 11:25 Revelation 11:2. Then the second coming of Jesus, Matthew 24:29-31 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 Revelation 1:7 Revelation 3:11 Revelation 19:11-16 Revelation 22:12.
Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
This is what is coming, everyone will be tempted to take the mark of the beast, Jesus will give us if we are here the strength to say no even if we face death. Revelation 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them. Revelation 15:2
God bless,
RLW
PT. 6
In this summary we will find the ultimate goal of God in keeping the covenant is the same as in saving Gentiles. God's wisdom in the way He keeps the covenant with Israel is to strip them of any sense of boasting before God. just as He does in the saving of Gentiles.
Every one, whether Jewish or non-Jewish must be humbled and have no grounds for boasting in themselves before God. As we stand before God (as He is everywhere present, we are always standing before Him) God's goal is to shut our mouths from boasting before Him because He alone deserves all the praise and glory. We must never think too highly of ourselves than we ought. We have been bought by Jesus at immense price. As we read in Revelation again and again about the angels and saints bowing to God the Father, Son (the Lamb) and Holy Spirit in continual praise and worship with little thought to ourselves, we are reminded how unworthy we are of the grace God has given us and how worthy He is to receive all praise and honor, wisdom and strength forever.
God's Wisdom in Destroying Human Pride
Look at Romans 11:25-27.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in." (vs, 25)
Here Paul is warning the Gentiles not to be proud about being ingrafted into the cultivated olive tree (Israe) by faith, because they can be cut out of the tree just as some unfruitful Israelites were because they lacked faith, while those natural Israelites who turn from unbelief to believe in the gospel and put their faith in Jesus, their Messiah, will be grafted back in.
"And so (in like manner as the Gentiles) all of Israel shall be saved, as it is written, 'There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob. For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.' (vs 26-27)
see Pt. 7
"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh."
A quick overview of the entire chapter of Ezekiel 36 shows that the meaning is primarily in the exodus and eventual regathering of God's people. When we get into a couple chapters later we enter the Ezekiel 38 war which continues showing the fate of nations that fight against Israel. This verse also is used to demonstrate the change in each believer's state; as opposed to the condition mentioned in Jeremiah 17:9 on how deceitful and wicked man's unregenerate heart nature is.
The principle involved in the nation of Israel repenting is found in this verse: Romans 11:25
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
The Lord will therefore use the time of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jeremiah 30:7) to put the Jews through the fire; and at that time 2/3 will perish and 1/3 make it through ( Zechariah 13:8) which signifies the refining fire. Naturally this is preceded by the arrival of the false messiah who will be venerated by many until the time mentioned in Isaiah 10:20 which would be at the midpoint of the Tribulation.
The new covenant mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31 and the next several verses after also could be applied to that which Christ accomplished for those in the church (or church age). It's final fruition will finally reach Israel who rejected the first coming of their king because they didn't recognize Him as the suffering servant; and or assumed He would immediately overtake their enemies and start an earthly Kingdom.
In general I would state that every age or dispensation has a similar fate; a beginning and end. Israel had several Diasporas and in the last days the church in general will fall away.
Thanks, got it, the veil is an image of a spiritual blind spot that will not be lifted until the return of Jesus, Romans 11:16-25. The old covenant mediated through Moses had its glory and the veil Paul speaks of prevents them from seeing the old had an end. I feel it was mainly the leaders of Jerusalem because the beginning of the Church was the lost sheep of Israel who Jesus first came for before the gospel was sent to the Gentiles.
In the future, whether it be short or many years, the Gentile's time will end, and the branches will be grafted back in that were broken off for us. When Jesus returns, the battle of Armageddon, and Satan is locked in the pit, the kingdom will be set up.
Thanks, brother I know you are busy.
God bless,
RLW
In Romans 9 Paul mentions the condition of Israel (AS A NATION)
Verses 31,32- "But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.
Romans 10:16 reads But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, WHO HATH BELIEVED OUR REPORT?
So the Gospel was preached to them! as we see in Romans 10:16-18.
Romans 11:8 declares their position then, as well today!
(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Romans 11:25-28 sums it up.
"For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
When Israel "as a nation" call on their Messiah and behold him as their Messiah they will call on him!
I believe this will happen in the tribulation and that is what Hosea is speaking of.
"I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, AND SEEK MY FACE: in their AFFLICTION they will seek me early.
THEY WON'T BEHOLD HIM (Remain in this blinded state) untill they shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. Matthew 23:39.
God bless
PT. 3
Another way that God's transcendence is expressed is in His royal and exalted glory and power.
Ps. 57:5, 97:9 speak of God being exalted above all else. He always is in the most high position from creation.
Deut. 4:39; Eccl. 5:2 speaks of God dwelling in heaven above, even the highest heavens. ) Ps 8:1, 57:5) None of us CAN go up to heaven to check Him out in His sovereign majesty. God had to come down to us in the Son for us to know what God s like. John 3 :13.
Ps. 113:5 says that He Himself is the most high ( Ps. 97:9)
So the term 'transcendence" s a convenient term to use to summarize these ways in which God is "above us"; in majesty, holiness, sovereignty, exaltation, glory, perfection, etc.
God is ontologically different and distinct from us that we can only describe Him adequately with our human language (this is called "ineffable). But in His immanence, He has revealed Himself in human terms, both verbally and in Jesus, the Son so that we can be redeemed and have fellowship with Him both now and forever. Jesus said, "This is eternal life, to know the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom He has sent." ( John 17:3)
Though God is transcendent, He has spoken clearly and in language that we can understand with certainty His nature and actions. Romans 1:18-22 says this and that therefore no one can be blameless from ignorance.
Romans 11:33-36 does speak of His mystery, incomprehensibility, ineffability, and "deep things of God" that no man can know.
We can also understand God's transcendence as referring to his Lordship over all that is, to His power and right as the King of everything He has made in all of creation, to His sovereignty and authority over all creatures and in all of His will. This speaks to His omnipotence, omniscience, and omni-presence. ( Ps. 2:47; 93:1; 96:10-13; 97:4; 99:1)
His authority is His control over the moral sphere, over all things that happen in time, all circumstances, and all that w happen.
This word means that something is "not near" or "not knowable" or "beyond our scope of experience"
So, in relation to God, He is in a unique realm of His own. He exists outside of time, space, and dimension. Before creation, He existed within Himself alone. He exists apart from and independent from anyone of anything else.
God is transcendent in His uncommunicable attributes of holiness, purity, sovereignty, infiniteness, limitlessness, omni-presence, omnipotence, omniscience, and perfection. No created being possesses these characteristics in the way God possesses them, which is infinitely and perfectly. He cannot give any creature these attributes because His divine nature is higher above and surpasses any created being. He is in a class of His own as God, as there is no other God but the God of Scriptures. ALL things are upheld by Him. ( Heb. 13), yet He is upheld by Himself alone. He is the only truly transcendent being
God is transcendent in that He is unknowable and remains unknown ( Acts 17:23) by creatures unless He reveals to creatures aspects of Himself, which is called "immanence". All we know about God s what He has revealed to us in creation, theophanies, words to and through His prophets, working of His power, miracles, and most truly and clearly in the incarnation of His eternal Son, Jesus who is "Immanuel", God with us and with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in believers and in the Scriptures inspired by God. Being transcendent, God is the incomprehensible Creator, unsearchable those He created who exist in the realm of time and space and matter. Neither by an act of our will nor by our own reasoning can we possibly come to understand God or experience Him personally. But because He wills to us to know Him, He intersects our realm of time, space and matter to communicate to us what He is like, what His will is, and causes us to seek Him. Isaiah 55:8-9 and Romans 11:33-36 speaks to this.
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Cont.
So, some will say "where does free will come in concerning the angels, humanity, and any other conscious moral powers, rulers, authorities in the heavenlies?"
God will that all moral beings He created would be free to choose to obey Him or not. When the angels sinned and the other angels did not, He then sealed the holy angels to be forever sinless and judged the sinful angels to never be restored to their original holiness.
For human beings, He consigned all human beings over to sin and corruption, leaving none that are truly righteous as He is righteous. Romans 11:32 i order that He may be merciful to them in their need for redemption.
Adam and Eve were the only humans who truly had a will that was free to obey God or disobey. Since their sin, they and all humans are now in bondage to sin and the corruption of sin and the wages of sin, which is death.
We are not free to righteously choose to seek God, obey Him, love Him, or worship Him in our fallen, unredeemed state. We are only free to choose sin, and that we do. But thank God, that in His sovereignty He chose to regenerate those He elected so that they can have a new nature that is once again free to choose to obey Him yet still having a nature that wills to disobey. See Romans 7.
The sovereignty of God is absolute. We cannot sway His eternal will inn any way. We are all at His mercy and in need of His grace. Thank God He is Yahweh, who is gracious to whomever He is gracious to and gives mercy to whomever He is merciful to. Exodus 33:18-19. This is a major aspect of what His name means! He shows mercy and grace to those He sovereignly chooses.
We cannot understand the workings of this mercy and grace within the Godhead and His will. We are altogether NOT like Him and His ways are far beyond our ability to search out. But He is love and He expresses that love to humans in that while we were yet dead in sin, He made us alive to Him and saved us through the Son. ( Eph. 2:1-8)
You've given some Scriptures here David0921, to which I will respond.
Romans 9:13-16. From Romans 9:1-23, the apostle is speaking about his kinsmen, the Jews; that God had selected Isaac through whom would come Jacob & all of Israel - as opposed to Esau (who was rejected), even though he was the firstborn. All this Paul rehearses before his readers to show that God's promises will be realized, according to His Word, that "In Isaac shall thy seed be called". God was not being partial to one & not the other, but in God's Knowledge & Plan, one was accepted to the rejection of the other.
Here then is God's selection process - not for salvation (since each person has to demonstrate faith & love to God regardless of which tribe or nation they belong to), but of election & receiving the Promises of God. And so Paul goes on in Romans 9:24-33, to show that those of Israel who have rejected the LORD, & not come by faith ( Romans 9:30-32), have been cut out of the olive tree, with the Gentiles being engrafted in (only if the Gentiles stand in faith, Romans 11:20). Why have I written all this? Only to show that the process of leading to salvation (which we're discussing now) is not revealed here, but of who are God's Elect - that the Gospel would now go to the Gentiles, the Jew having rejected it ( Acts 13:46-48).
Jeremiah 17:9. Fully agree as mentioned previously.
Joel 2:12-14. You might need to give your reason for mentioning this Scripture, as I'm unable to relate it to what we're discussing.
Ezekiel 36:24-28. I understand this passage is still in the future (probably during the Millennial rule of Christ), when Israel finally acknowledges their Messiah, receiving a new heart & new spirit. Btw, I do NOT subscribe to Replacement Theology, inasfar as Israel no longer being a part of prophetic fulfilment and the Church is now the new Israel.
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Getting back to my primary point on this specific subject; I will make an assumption that we are following a Pastor who is apparently a true believer; Biblically sound and therefore qualified to lead the local congregation as the example of who we can desire to emulate. That; of course is a tall order with the state and condition of churches in general at this hour.
A cult of personality; nonetheless can still rear its ugly head even in this situation. The first rule of thumb; of course is to determine if indeed a church is still teaching correct doctrine or if error is creeping in as that is a top method of the enemy. When one is puffed up there is danger of a little leaven creeping in. ( Romans 11:21). Revelation 2:4 mentions losing our first love while teaching is basically correct doctrinally.
There is; as my initial post alluded to distractions in the flesh. There is no doubt that many megachurches in particular are focused on young; attractive people in leadership as either Pastors or Music Directors in particular. I have gotten into that on previous occasions; so I won't elaborate here.
Ok; with the preliminaries well examined I will ask what seems to be a dumb question: How do we properly view a good Pastor or other leader? From my premise I have established that no man is perfect; but I'll say it straight out-no man is perfect.
Psalm 37:37 says to "mark the perfect man"; there are other N.T. references to being perfect but clearly this means fully mature. It should be clear that proper teaching must also be accompanied by proper living out of the Gospel. Given that IS occurring to the best of our understanding-then what? How do we allow this experience to transform us?
To be a conduit of truth; no doubt best aids the rest of the congregation through genuinely listening to the gifts of others in our midst. This means proper doctrine as well as timely messages edifying at the time.
Romans 11:30-32.
For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
God is speaking of the NATURAL BRANCHES. Paul's Kinsman of the flesh!
God bless you.
The Remnant of Israel
Paul begins by asserting that God has not rejected His people, Israel. He cites his own identity as an Israelite and references the story of Elijah to illustrate that God always preserves a remnant of faithful believers ( Romans 11:1-5). This remnant is chosen by grace, not by works, underscoring the continuity of God's promises to Israel.
Gentiles and the Olive Tree Metaphor
Paul introduces the metaphor of the olive tree to explain the relationship between Israel and the Gentiles ( Romans 11:17-24). The natural branches (Israel) were broken off due to unbelief, and wild olive shoots (Gentiles) were grafted in. However, Paul warns the Gentiles against arrogance, reminding them that they stand by faith and could also be cut off if they do not continue in God's kindness. This metaphor highlights the unity and interdependence of both groups within God's redemptive plan.
The Mystery of Israel's Salvation
Paul speaks of a "mystery" regarding Israel's partial hardening until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in ( Romans 11:25-27). He prophesies that all Israel will be saved, referencing the Deliverer coming from Zion to turn godlessness away from Jacob. This eschatological promise affirms God's unchanging covenant with Israel.
Mercy and God's Wisdom
In the concluding section, Paul extols the depth of God's wisdom and knowledge, marveling at His inscrutable judgments and unsearchable ways ( Romans 11:33-36). This doxology reflects Paul's awe at the inclusiveness of God's mercy and the mysterious ways in which He orchestrates salvation history for both Jews and Gentiles.
My first admittedly challenging part of analysis dealt with presenting the Gospel and demonstrated a typical initial response as well as challenged our own boldness in sharing. A second point I felt was necessary here is that as a corporate Body of believers such a message of preservation of our souls in heaven as opposed to the rest of the wicked as a whole is something that also; no doubt brings overall hatred of the church. However there needs to be a comprehension here of that aspect of the Word. This helps to demonstrate my point from the other day about there being no emphasis on a particular individual being saved at least in prayer. Jesus would; at least when speaking to anyone besides one on one encounters give an overall call; often spoken in parables; or what we call the Sermon on the Mount. To the unregenerate mind; of course such a speech sounds like general "do good" practices that they feel they can; more or less accomplish. We can turn to Christ's warnings of hell; which were usually focused on the Pharisees and hypocritical religious leaders at the time. We learn from the Bible that there are two types of sorrow; one leading to repentance and salvation (Peter) and that leading to death (worldly sorrow with Judas Iscariot as the prime example). The truly frightening thing is that it seems many haven't even gone this far in their salvation experiences; that is genuine sorrow that is truly heartfelt. Of course we all have different expressions of emotion and experiences. But in the end His Holiness is something we must desire and as Romans 11:14 shows; we should provoke others toward jealousy. What draws sinners is despite their resistance that it cannot be denied that they are wicked and the Lord is righeous. That incorporates a TRUE understanding of how individual believers and the whole true church are exalted and blessed; and is augmented with their persecution and hatred ( Matt. 5:11-13).
Agape. RP
What I perceive from the belief of many now, that Israel ought to be considered a refused & cast-off people because of their rejection of their Messiah, is based wholly upon who the Church is now, those of believing Jews & Gentiles; that unbelieving Israel can have no part in this position & hope. To this point, I find agreement, that all who are unbelieving presently, whether Jew or Gentile, are judged with the same judgement.
But what of the Scriptures that point to the time when those of Israel still alive, see the 'One Whom they pierced' ( Revelation 1:7), that if Israel 'will no longer abide in unbelief, will be re-grafted in (along with other believers) ( Romans 11:23), & that 'salvation will still come to them in that future day as out of Sion shall come the Deliverer Who shall turn all ungodliness from Jacob' ( Romans 11:26)? This is still future and all about believing Israel & not Gentiles.
We shouldn't look at Israel now as a defeated, rejected people - sure, there still remains great hardship & tribulation ahead of them, and many will die an eternal death. But God has not forgotten His Covenant people & the time will come when those living will bend their knee to Jesus.