Can a Pastor drink wine or alcohol ? Apostle Paul saids no. A Pastor should never drink alcohol or do drugs . Can a deacon drink wine or alcohol ? Yes , but a little and not to get drunk . Apostle Paul has the rules for Pastors and Deacons in how to run a church and how to live at home.
1 Timothy 3:1-8
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
May I say my opinion on christians drinking alchohol?
Paul suggests that the elders (or bishops) should not be "given to wine". This doesn't mean not to drink wine but not to drink in excess and getting drunk. That is why he says "not to be GIVEN". The grk also implies not to drink in excess.
Was Jesus drinking wine? Matthew 11:18-19, "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.THE SON OF GOD CAME EATING AND DRINKING, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."
In the above Matthew doesn't imply that Jesus was not drinking water, that would be very wierd, but he means drinking wine.
In the last supper with His disciples just before His crucifixtion, Jesus gave His apostles bread and wine for His Body and Blood. So He took wine from the wine they were drinking and gave them.
Paul in 1 Cor 11:20-21 writes, "When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken."
So that means that christians were having wine during their meals and Paul condemns their attitude of drinking in excess and getting drunk.
Titus 2:3 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;"
It says not be given to MUCH wine, it doesn't say not to drink wine at all.
Brother Jesse is right when he mentions that the ancient greeks used to mix wine with water when drinking. But not in that ratio of 9:1. The latter was done only when they wanted to clean the water they were drinking (which was not as clean as it is today by the use of so many chemicals) so they just poured a little bit of wine in the water to purify it. But I do not know if that was a custom in Hebrews too. Maybe it was common to all people at that time.
Brother Giannis. If I might add a little to what you wrote about the 'ancient Greeks mixing wine with water when drinking unclean water'. When in ministry in Pakistan, each of us carried a very small bottle containing some iodine crystals - the bottle was then filled with ordinary water (whether from a tap, stream, or wherever). When we were on the road and not able to boil our water or use water filters to purify our drinking water, we added a little of this iodine water solution (but not the crystals itself) to our glass of unclean water. Leave it for a couple of minutes to do its work of cleansing & then drink it with confidence. It seemed to work as we never suffered any disease, particularly with Hepatitis A or E. So, it was interesting to read from you & bro Jesse about those in biblical days using wine in their water to achieve the same outcome. GBU.
We often think that the ancient people were a bit brainless because they lacked in technology like nowadays. But it seems they were very clever and tried to find practical ways to solve problems. Even nowadays we admire what was achieved by many nations on earth. Bit by bit, century by century, we have come to today's level.
But let me ask you something, if you want to answer. I came to understand that you are of Pakistani origin and you are living in Australia. Am I right? And you have gone to missions to Pakistan. Isn't this extremely dangerous? Pakistan is considered in my country as country with people who are very fanatical for the religion of Islam. I have read stories about killings of people who consider they insult their prophet and their Holy Book. I believe you must have some very interesting events you have lived there. Do you wish to share some with us? If you wish to do so.
Hi Giannis, I truly appreciate your time and understanding. The words that come up in 1 Timothy 3:1-3 is " sober and not giving of wine ". My understanding of a Bishop or a Pastor, it's best if they don't drink wine that can get them drunk, grapejuice will be better.
1 Timothy 3:1-3
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
Now the wine that Jesus Christ made was not wine that made a person drunk. God speak of being drunk is a sin. Good wine was grapejuice from Heaven.
John 2:10
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forthgoodwine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept thegoodwineuntil now.
In my life time, I will never believe that strong drinks bring in goods things in life. Giannis in no disrespect to wine, I believe that anyone can drink it, but for a Pastor of a church, it's dangerous. I should of be dead at the age 6, my father was a drunk and nearly killed me, by the grace of God, I am alive . I don't hate the alcohol, it's the sin that comes after it. Believe me or not, I still respected my father until he died from illness of alcohol.
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Giannis, thank you and God bless you with the power of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I saw how my peers abused drugs in my youth and never wanted to try drugs and never have.
As to what Paul says that all things are permissible nut not all things are beneficial, what we put in our bodies is pretty irrelevant in the big scope of things. Our concern should be to give a clear witness of belonging to our Lord in our actions and lifestyles. Paul did say to not partake of something if our brother in Christ was against it. This is done out of love for them. But, we are not to let the judgment of others concerning such things keep us from following our conscience in light of our freedom in Christ.
1 Cor. 10:23Romans 14:161Cor. 8:8
But our bodies are God's Temple and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, so we are to honor God with our bodies as well as our minds, souls, and will.
1 Cor. 3:16-17. Rom. 12;1; 1 Cor. 6:19-20
And finally, Paul tells us that whatever we do, we do it to the glory of God.
1 Cor. 10:31
I think that these (and other Scriptures) verses tell us of our freedom in Christ, but we are not use our freedom to sinful ends that do not glorify God or honor Him.
As believers, we need to choose for our own selves the parameters of what we eat or drink without judging other believers who do not follow our parameters as long as Scriptures do not prohibit what we consume.
Our bodies are wasting away, are temporal, and will die. But our witness to others is more important than what we eat or drink; our respect for the consciences of other believers is more important than fulfilling our freedoms; and our motivation for what we eat, drink, or do is to be for God's glory. I think that this last one: motivation, is probably the hardest for any believer to regularly perform because there are so many areas in life where we can indulge ourselves (not just what we eat or drink).
I was glad I was brought up to learn restraint in most matters. That was a gift from my parents and especially from the Lord.
According the Scriptures as Giannis has said, drinking alcohol is permitted In fact it was the common drink at meals for millenia because of contaminated water supplies. But the biblical command is not become drunk, especially not on a regular basis, as, it leads to other sinful choices, as you have noted.
I grew up in a family where My parents did not drink except for a few times during the holidays. As my dad got into his sixties, he enjoyed a beer on Fridays or a small glass of wine with dinner. He suffered for years with stomach issues, so this may have eased symptoms, as Paul instructs Timothy concerning settling his stomach with wine.
Among my aunts/uncles there were a number who were life-long alcoholics and us children noticed this.
I did not like to see them drunk. And now as an adult, I know they put themselves and their families at risk by driving while under the influence.
When I became an adult, I did have some occasions in college where I drank too much. It only took a few times for me to decide I was not going to consume alcohol regularly. My husbands family was full of alcoholism and drinking was present at most family gatherings. I did not like that, but it was their choice and freedom to do so.
My husband and I rarely have any alcohol. It just hasn't been a part of our marriage and family life. But we do not think that we need to abstain totally as it does not control either of us with compulsion or tempt us to overindulgence. We want to set a good example to our children or responsible consumption in moderation, as the bible says. I have Chris tian friends who do not drink alcohol at all and some that do in moderation. I am comfortable in each circumstance.
I can see how you would feel the way you do about consuming alcohol due to your father's addiction. I certainly felt that way about the smoking in my family as I grew up. I hated it! Therefore, I never tried it. I felt the same way about using drugs.
GiGi , thanks for your story and it really touched my heart . I know that all may not agree with what I post in the writing, but it's all about winning one soul to Christ Jesus. I also know we can use the word of God to fight the scriptures in a way that is not Faith. I pray to God everyday that I do it in love and I do it in Jesus Christ faith .
Philippians 1:14-17
14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
As a Christians, we are always going to offend others, because they are always ready to point it out. Satan and his followers will always accuse us of all our sins to God.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for theaccuserof our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
But there hope, it's Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Titus 2:13
Looking for thatblessedhope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The Holy Spirit inside us is a wonderful joy and I want to spread that joy to others.
Galatians 5:22-25
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Most do not realize that the word "wine" had multiple meanings in dictionaries around the time when the first English Bibles were translated including the time period when the translators translated the King James Bible.
"Wine: The juice, fermented or unfermented, of various fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, syrup, etc."
Nathan Bailey's New Universal English Dictionary 1760 | A New English Dictionary by Benjamin Marin 1748 | A General English Dictionary by John Kersey 1708 | The Royal Dictionary in Two Parts by Abel Boyer 1702
Many also do not realize that God's wine contained a blessing, Isaiah 65:8, and another wine contained a poison, Deuteronomy 32:33.
For in-depth information on the topic of wine in the Bible you can do a search for a website called isdrinkingasin. All Bible verses on the website also utilize the KJV Bible.
As I was reading through your posts about the wine, some thoughts came to my mind. I pictured myself as a waiter serving tables and I come to a table where a deacon is sitting. I know he's a deacon because someone in the restaurant knew him and told me so. As I'm taking his order, he orders a glass of wine with his meal. Now, I know that Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake. And I know that Paul said that deacons are not to be given to much wine, so he's not saying they can't have any, so I know it's okay for me to bring him some wine. But should I be asking this deacon if he's having stomach issues? Or, if I come back to the table with a bottle of wine, a pitcher of water, and a glass, and right in front of him, I fill the glass up with 9 parts water and 1 part wine, what do you suppose this deacon might say, or will he even drink it? Your thoughts please.
Jesse, I like your illustration of wine and water. Apostle Paul talks about meat offer to idols, we have to make our decision in Christ Jesus how to handle in Faith.
Let me tell you, wine makers will not admit to adding water, but some do, it's all about adding profit to the bottom line.
Apostle Paul's gospel was constantly being added by other false apostles and followers . They wanted to add circumcision and works.
Galatians 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and wouldpervertthe gospel of Christ.
It's all about Jesus Christ faith in his grace that we believe for Salvation.
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed fromfaithtofaith: as it is written, The just shall live byfaith.
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified byfaithwithout the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:16
Therefore it is offaith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of thefaithof Abraham; who is the father of us all,
I know that you think I'm making all this up, but the truth is, Apostle Paul is a special person to Jesus Christ and we should take notice. I know you might have knowledge , but God hide secrets that only Him will He reveal.
Deuteronomy 29:29
ThesecretthingsbelonguntotheLordour God: but thosethingswhich are revealedbelonguntous and to our children for ever, that we may do allthewords of this law.
May God Almighty bless these people in the word of truth, Chris , Richard H Priday , Giannis , Fuji ,
GiGi , Ronald Whittemore , Jesse , Bennymkje.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 this is the only way to Salvation for today and its believing only if we Follow the epistles of Apostle Paul.
I didn't know about wine makers adding water, so thanks for sharing that. I used to drink wine on occasion but no longer do. I speak for myself when I say that the Lord put it upon my heart to stay away from alcohol. You said "we have to make our decision in Christ Jesus how to handle in Faith" which is so true. What a powerful statement! I know from studying the Greek language that the word faith literally means persuasion, and that persuasion (faith) comes from God. So, if I decide I want to have a glass of wine, I must ask myself, is God persuading me to have that glass of wine. If not, I might see it as being harmless, but the bible says that which is not of faith is sin, meaning whatever I'm doing that His Spirit is not persuading me to do, that is sin. It could be anything, even things we see as being harmless. But is God's Spirit persuading me to do whatever it is I'm about to do?
I mentioned earlier about the 9 parts water and 1 part wine because back then that is what they did. The alcohol content back then was not even close to the alcohol content in wine today. They did this because the water was not very good to drink, causing many to have stomach issues. My thoughts on this, and you may or may not agree, but if a Christian believer wants to use scripture to justify drinking alcohol, (Wine in this case), then they should be okay drinking it the way they drank it back then, 9 parts water/1 part wine. I wonder how many people would want to drink it that way? As a previous wine drinker, I would not want to drink it.
Finally, I assure you that I do not think that you're making this all up. I did get a chuckle out of you saying that! You gave me several verses. Are you wanting to discuss any of those with me? I continue to enjoy reading your posts. Thank you for the things you share and thank you also for the blessing. May the Lord bless every single person that comes here to read, to share, and to learn from each other.
Jesse, truly like you because you are a person that never gives up . Wine was strong in Noah's time, he got drunk and was found naked.
Remember, if you are the waiter serving wine to a Deacon, it's not a sin until he gets drunk and drive his car. We must use good judgment in everything in life in Faith that is of Jesus Christ. Our Righteousness is as filthy as rags, my too, but God's give us Righteousness through Jesus Christ and only through Jesus Christ, that means His word.
When I read the Bible, our of the 66 books are Jesus Christ himself, but I must decide what's for learning and what's for us today. Today we are living the church age in the Body of Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ picked one man for us to take notice and that's Apostle Paul for the Gentiles, Jews are always welcome.
Jesse, I am here to spread the good news and that is the gospel of grace only. I love everyone on this channel and I hope you all know that God loves you too.
May we all have peace and Love in Christ Jesus and Remember His Resurrection.
1 Timothy 3:1-8
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
May the gospel of grace change your life
May I say my opinion on christians drinking alchohol?
Paul suggests that the elders (or bishops) should not be "given to wine". This doesn't mean not to drink wine but not to drink in excess and getting drunk. That is why he says "not to be GIVEN". The grk also implies not to drink in excess.
Was Jesus drinking wine? Matthew 11:18-19, "For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.THE SON OF GOD CAME EATING AND DRINKING, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children."
In the above Matthew doesn't imply that Jesus was not drinking water, that would be very wierd, but he means drinking wine.
In the last supper with His disciples just before His crucifixtion, Jesus gave His apostles bread and wine for His Body and Blood. So He took wine from the wine they were drinking and gave them.
Paul in 1 Cor 11:20-21 writes, "When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken."
So that means that christians were having wine during their meals and Paul condemns their attitude of drinking in excess and getting drunk.
Titus 2:3 "The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;"
It says not be given to MUCH wine, it doesn't say not to drink wine at all.
Brother Jesse is right when he mentions that the ancient greeks used to mix wine with water when drinking. But not in that ratio of 9:1. The latter was done only when they wanted to clean the water they were drinking (which was not as clean as it is today by the use of so many chemicals) so they just poured a little bit of wine in the water to purify it. But I do not know if that was a custom in Hebrews too. Maybe it was common to all people at that time.
GBU
We often think that the ancient people were a bit brainless because they lacked in technology like nowadays. But it seems they were very clever and tried to find practical ways to solve problems. Even nowadays we admire what was achieved by many nations on earth. Bit by bit, century by century, we have come to today's level.
But let me ask you something, if you want to answer. I came to understand that you are of Pakistani origin and you are living in Australia. Am I right? And you have gone to missions to Pakistan. Isn't this extremely dangerous? Pakistan is considered in my country as country with people who are very fanatical for the religion of Islam. I have read stories about killings of people who consider they insult their prophet and their Holy Book. I believe you must have some very interesting events you have lived there. Do you wish to share some with us? If you wish to do so.
Thanks brother. GBU
1 Timothy 3:1-3
1 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
Now the wine that Jesus Christ made was not wine that made a person drunk. God speak of being drunk is a sin. Good wine was grapejuice from Heaven.
John 2:10
And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forthgoodwine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept thegoodwineuntil now.
In my life time, I will never believe that strong drinks bring in goods things in life. Giannis in no disrespect to wine, I believe that anyone can drink it, but for a Pastor of a church, it's dangerous. I should of be dead at the age 6, my father was a drunk and nearly killed me, by the grace of God, I am alive . I don't hate the alcohol, it's the sin that comes after it. Believe me or not, I still respected my father until he died from illness of alcohol.
Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
Giannis, thank you and God bless you with the power of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
May we all believe the Resurrection.
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I saw how my peers abused drugs in my youth and never wanted to try drugs and never have.
As to what Paul says that all things are permissible nut not all things are beneficial, what we put in our bodies is pretty irrelevant in the big scope of things. Our concern should be to give a clear witness of belonging to our Lord in our actions and lifestyles. Paul did say to not partake of something if our brother in Christ was against it. This is done out of love for them. But, we are not to let the judgment of others concerning such things keep us from following our conscience in light of our freedom in Christ.
1 Cor. 10:23 Romans 14:16 1Cor. 8:8
But our bodies are God's Temple and the Holy Spirit dwells in us, so we are to honor God with our bodies as well as our minds, souls, and will.
1 Cor. 3:16-17. Rom. 12;1; 1 Cor. 6:19-20
And finally, Paul tells us that whatever we do, we do it to the glory of God.
1 Cor. 10:31
I think that these (and other Scriptures) verses tell us of our freedom in Christ, but we are not use our freedom to sinful ends that do not glorify God or honor Him.
As believers, we need to choose for our own selves the parameters of what we eat or drink without judging other believers who do not follow our parameters as long as Scriptures do not prohibit what we consume.
Our bodies are wasting away, are temporal, and will die. But our witness to others is more important than what we eat or drink; our respect for the consciences of other believers is more important than fulfilling our freedoms; and our motivation for what we eat, drink, or do is to be for God's glory. I think that this last one: motivation, is probably the hardest for any believer to regularly perform because there are so many areas in life where we can indulge ourselves (not just what we eat or drink).
I was glad I was brought up to learn restraint in most matters. That was a gift from my parents and especially from the Lord.
According the Scriptures as Giannis has said, drinking alcohol is permitted In fact it was the common drink at meals for millenia because of contaminated water supplies. But the biblical command is not become drunk, especially not on a regular basis, as, it leads to other sinful choices, as you have noted.
I grew up in a family where My parents did not drink except for a few times during the holidays. As my dad got into his sixties, he enjoyed a beer on Fridays or a small glass of wine with dinner. He suffered for years with stomach issues, so this may have eased symptoms, as Paul instructs Timothy concerning settling his stomach with wine.
Among my aunts/uncles there were a number who were life-long alcoholics and us children noticed this.
I did not like to see them drunk. And now as an adult, I know they put themselves and their families at risk by driving while under the influence.
When I became an adult, I did have some occasions in college where I drank too much. It only took a few times for me to decide I was not going to consume alcohol regularly. My husbands family was full of alcoholism and drinking was present at most family gatherings. I did not like that, but it was their choice and freedom to do so.
My husband and I rarely have any alcohol. It just hasn't been a part of our marriage and family life. But we do not think that we need to abstain totally as it does not control either of us with compulsion or tempt us to overindulgence. We want to set a good example to our children or responsible consumption in moderation, as the bible says. I have Chris tian friends who do not drink alcohol at all and some that do in moderation. I am comfortable in each circumstance.
I can see how you would feel the way you do about consuming alcohol due to your father's addiction. I certainly felt that way about the smoking in my family as I grew up. I hated it! Therefore, I never tried it. I felt the same way about using drugs.
Philippians 1:14-17
14And many of the brethren in the Lord, waxing confident by my bonds, are much more bold to speak the word without fear.
15Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
As a Christians, we are always going to offend others, because they are always ready to point it out. Satan and his followers will always accuse us of all our sins to God.
Revelation 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for theaccuserof our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
But there hope, it's Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Titus 2:13
Looking for thatblessedhope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
The Holy Spirit inside us is a wonderful joy and I want to spread that joy to others.
Galatians 5:22-25
22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
The joy of the Resurrection of Christ Jesus
"Wine: The juice, fermented or unfermented, of various fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, syrup, etc."
Nathan Bailey's New Universal English Dictionary 1760 | A New English Dictionary by Benjamin Marin 1748 | A General English Dictionary by John Kersey 1708 | The Royal Dictionary in Two Parts by Abel Boyer 1702
Many also do not realize that God's wine contained a blessing, Isaiah 65:8, and another wine contained a poison, Deuteronomy 32:33.
For in-depth information on the topic of wine in the Bible you can do a search for a website called isdrinkingasin. All Bible verses on the website also utilize the KJV Bible.
I hope this is helpful.
May we eat of the bread and wine of Jesus Christ for the rememberous of His resurrection.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 the resurrection of Christ Jesus
As I was reading through your posts about the wine, some thoughts came to my mind. I pictured myself as a waiter serving tables and I come to a table where a deacon is sitting. I know he's a deacon because someone in the restaurant knew him and told me so. As I'm taking his order, he orders a glass of wine with his meal. Now, I know that Paul told Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake. And I know that Paul said that deacons are not to be given to much wine, so he's not saying they can't have any, so I know it's okay for me to bring him some wine. But should I be asking this deacon if he's having stomach issues? Or, if I come back to the table with a bottle of wine, a pitcher of water, and a glass, and right in front of him, I fill the glass up with 9 parts water and 1 part wine, what do you suppose this deacon might say, or will he even drink it? Your thoughts please.
God Bless!!!
Let me tell you, wine makers will not admit to adding water, but some do, it's all about adding profit to the bottom line.
Apostle Paul's gospel was constantly being added by other false apostles and followers . They wanted to add circumcision and works.
Galatians 1:7
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and wouldpervertthe gospel of Christ.
It's all about Jesus Christ faith in his grace that we believe for Salvation.
Romans 1:17
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed fromfaithtofaith: as it is written, The just shall live byfaith.
Romans 3:28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified byfaithwithout the deeds of the law.
Romans 4:16
Therefore it is offaith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of thefaithof Abraham; who is the father of us all,
I know that you think I'm making all this up, but the truth is, Apostle Paul is a special person to Jesus Christ and we should take notice. I know you might have knowledge , but God hide secrets that only Him will He reveal.
Deuteronomy 29:29
ThesecretthingsbelonguntotheLordour God: but thosethingswhich are revealedbelonguntous and to our children for ever, that we may do allthewords of this law.
May God Almighty bless these people in the word of truth, Chris , Richard H Priday , Giannis , Fuji ,
GiGi , Ronald Whittemore , Jesse , Bennymkje.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 this is the only way to Salvation for today and its believing only if we Follow the epistles of Apostle Paul.
I didn't know about wine makers adding water, so thanks for sharing that. I used to drink wine on occasion but no longer do. I speak for myself when I say that the Lord put it upon my heart to stay away from alcohol. You said "we have to make our decision in Christ Jesus how to handle in Faith" which is so true. What a powerful statement! I know from studying the Greek language that the word faith literally means persuasion, and that persuasion (faith) comes from God. So, if I decide I want to have a glass of wine, I must ask myself, is God persuading me to have that glass of wine. If not, I might see it as being harmless, but the bible says that which is not of faith is sin, meaning whatever I'm doing that His Spirit is not persuading me to do, that is sin. It could be anything, even things we see as being harmless. But is God's Spirit persuading me to do whatever it is I'm about to do?
I mentioned earlier about the 9 parts water and 1 part wine because back then that is what they did. The alcohol content back then was not even close to the alcohol content in wine today. They did this because the water was not very good to drink, causing many to have stomach issues. My thoughts on this, and you may or may not agree, but if a Christian believer wants to use scripture to justify drinking alcohol, (Wine in this case), then they should be okay drinking it the way they drank it back then, 9 parts water/1 part wine. I wonder how many people would want to drink it that way? As a previous wine drinker, I would not want to drink it.
Finally, I assure you that I do not think that you're making this all up. I did get a chuckle out of you saying that! You gave me several verses. Are you wanting to discuss any of those with me? I continue to enjoy reading your posts. Thank you for the things you share and thank you also for the blessing. May the Lord bless every single person that comes here to read, to share, and to learn from each other.
God Bless!!!
Remember, if you are the waiter serving wine to a Deacon, it's not a sin until he gets drunk and drive his car. We must use good judgment in everything in life in Faith that is of Jesus Christ. Our Righteousness is as filthy as rags, my too, but God's give us Righteousness through Jesus Christ and only through Jesus Christ, that means His word.
When I read the Bible, our of the 66 books are Jesus Christ himself, but I must decide what's for learning and what's for us today. Today we are living the church age in the Body of Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ picked one man for us to take notice and that's Apostle Paul for the Gentiles, Jews are always welcome.
Jesse, I am here to spread the good news and that is the gospel of grace only. I love everyone on this channel and I hope you all know that God loves you too.
May we all have peace and Love in Christ Jesus and Remember His Resurrection.
Ray, in Christ Jesus 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Peace and Love
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