I am not a member of any denomination and my mind is open to the truth. We are accountable for ourselves, but we should inspire each other to in prayer study for the truth.
My understanding on some Scripture has changed since being on the site because of you and others. If we do not admit to ourselves preconceived biases can blind us, truth cannot be revealed to us.
Just a question I have not an answer, and I have searched the scripture and I hope you understand why I ask this. If our salvation is dependent in believing Jesus died for our sins and God raised Him from dead. How can that be not a lie if Jesus is the Almighty, the eternal God who is a Spirit who cannot die.
I love the truth and each of the brothers and sisters on this site. If we never accept we may be wrong we will never see the truth.
If you would rather me not post I will not any more. The Pharesees were blind by their precocieved ideas of who the Messiah was to be, and they rejected Him.
You can find your answer in Jn. Ch. 1, especially vs. 14, but the verses preceding 14 explain who Jesus has always been prior to assuming human nature to His divine Person. He remained the Divine Son but in Jn. 1 The Son also was truly a human man and truly the Divine Person of the Son having always been God the Son from all eternity. But since the incarnation of God the Son into human flesh, being named Jesus, which means Yahweh Saves, is this God and Man forever, with a body that did die for the sins of the world. His divine nature can never die as it is Spirit as you say. But the Divine Person of Jesus experienced death in His human nature. This I truly believe. I just cannot read the New Testament and come to the conclusions you do. I think the Church from the apostolic times got it right with worshipping Jesus as God and Man, our Great God and Savior whom we wait for His glorious appearing at the end of the age. ( Titus 2:13)
The Greek to English of this verse in Titus identifies Jesus as our great God and Savior. It is His glorious appearing we hope in and wait for, not God the Father. So it would be a misinterpretation to separate "our Great God (Father) and Savior (Jesus) as the Greek does not allow for this interpretation.
When one comes to avow that Jesus is now both God and Man one can understand more clearly why Jesus' death satisfied the Father's wrath for those He saves because it would be necessary for a human to redeem mankind, but one man who lived without sinning could only pay the penalty for Himself. The merit and worth of Jesus' sacrifice is that He, as God the Son, was able to pay for the infinite offense of the sins of mankind to the fullest as these sins are an infinite offense to God. Jesus as the Divine Son did that as a human man who was also God the Son. Believing that Jesus is truly God and truly Man makes sense of ALL the testimony about Him.
There was no change in Jesus' Divine nature when He took upon Himself humanity.
Please know that I was not accusing you of being a Jehovah's Witness. I already knew you did not belong to any specific group as you have mentioned this in the past. Brother, if I rather you not post, I would have told you so. Please continue to post. As I have mentioned to you before, I always enjoy our conversations. They are always kind and respectful.
I do agree with you 100% that "preconceived biases can blind us." Amen to that!
As far as truth goes, I like to think that you have truth, I have truth, and every true believer has truth. You see, to me truth is not what you and I believe or say, and not what anyone else believes or says. To me truth is a person, and that person is Jesus Christ. If you and I have Christ, we have the truth!
You and I have been here in this forum for several years (10 plus for me) and we've had several good discussions and Lord willing, I hope to have many more. Over the years, I have never told anyone that they are wrong. I may disagree with someone, but that doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means I disagree.
As to your question, I would answer by saying that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. God came in human form, nothing less. He was 100% God and 100% man. 1 Timothy 3:16 reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
We both agree that God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus says in John 2:19, "Destroy this temple (speaking of His body), and in three days I will raise it up," Jesus says "I" will raise it up. How could this be unless Jesus is God? Just something to think about.
Ronald, please do not think that I don't value the things you have to share or that I want you to stop posting. That bothers me brother that you might think this. We are here to lift each other up!
I am not a member of any denomination and my mind is open to the truth. We are accountable for ourselves, but we should inspire each other to in prayer study for the truth.
My understanding on some Scripture has changed since being on the site because of you and others. If we do not admit to ourselves preconceived biases can blind us, truth cannot be revealed to us.
Just a question I have not an answer, and I have searched the scripture and I hope you understand why I ask this. If our salvation is dependent in believing Jesus died for our sins and God raised Him from dead. How can that be not a lie if Jesus is the Almighty, the eternal God who is a Spirit who cannot die.
I love the truth and each of the brothers and sisters on this site. If we never accept we may be wrong we will never see the truth.
If you would rather me not post I will not any more. The Pharesees were blind by their precocieved ideas of who the Messiah was to be, and they rejected Him.
God bless,
RLW
You can find your answer in Jn. Ch. 1, especially vs. 14, but the verses preceding 14 explain who Jesus has always been prior to assuming human nature to His divine Person. He remained the Divine Son but in Jn. 1 The Son also was truly a human man and truly the Divine Person of the Son having always been God the Son from all eternity. But since the incarnation of God the Son into human flesh, being named Jesus, which means Yahweh Saves, is this God and Man forever, with a body that did die for the sins of the world. His divine nature can never die as it is Spirit as you say. But the Divine Person of Jesus experienced death in His human nature. This I truly believe. I just cannot read the New Testament and come to the conclusions you do. I think the Church from the apostolic times got it right with worshipping Jesus as God and Man, our Great God and Savior whom we wait for His glorious appearing at the end of the age. ( Titus 2:13)
The Greek to English of this verse in Titus identifies Jesus as our great God and Savior. It is His glorious appearing we hope in and wait for, not God the Father. So it would be a misinterpretation to separate "our Great God (Father) and Savior (Jesus) as the Greek does not allow for this interpretation.
When one comes to avow that Jesus is now both God and Man one can understand more clearly why Jesus' death satisfied the Father's wrath for those He saves because it would be necessary for a human to redeem mankind, but one man who lived without sinning could only pay the penalty for Himself. The merit and worth of Jesus' sacrifice is that He, as God the Son, was able to pay for the infinite offense of the sins of mankind to the fullest as these sins are an infinite offense to God. Jesus as the Divine Son did that as a human man who was also God the Son. Believing that Jesus is truly God and truly Man makes sense of ALL the testimony about Him.
There was no change in Jesus' Divine nature when He took upon Himself humanity.
Please know that I was not accusing you of being a Jehovah's Witness. I already knew you did not belong to any specific group as you have mentioned this in the past. Brother, if I rather you not post, I would have told you so. Please continue to post. As I have mentioned to you before, I always enjoy our conversations. They are always kind and respectful.
I do agree with you 100% that "preconceived biases can blind us." Amen to that!
As far as truth goes, I like to think that you have truth, I have truth, and every true believer has truth. You see, to me truth is not what you and I believe or say, and not what anyone else believes or says. To me truth is a person, and that person is Jesus Christ. If you and I have Christ, we have the truth!
You and I have been here in this forum for several years (10 plus for me) and we've had several good discussions and Lord willing, I hope to have many more. Over the years, I have never told anyone that they are wrong. I may disagree with someone, but that doesn't mean they are wrong, it just means I disagree.
As to your question, I would answer by saying that Jesus Christ is God manifested in the flesh. God came in human form, nothing less. He was 100% God and 100% man. 1 Timothy 3:16 reads, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
We both agree that God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus says in John 2:19, "Destroy this temple (speaking of His body), and in three days I will raise it up," Jesus says "I" will raise it up. How could this be unless Jesus is God? Just something to think about.
Ronald, please do not think that I don't value the things you have to share or that I want you to stop posting. That bothers me brother that you might think this. We are here to lift each other up!
God Bless!!!
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