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  • Jesse - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 29):

    Revelation 4:2 - And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

    So immediately, listen to this, I became in spirit:

    That's how it literally reads. There's no definite article (the) with it. Immediately I became in spirit. So physically and geographically, he was still on the island of Patmos. But he was caught up in the spirit realm.

    And he says behold, a throne was set, or placed in heaven, and one sat upon the throne. So that was the transition going from the seven messages to the seven churches. John is now transferred to heaven that he might see the things that God wants him to see.

    Revelation 5:4 - And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

    He says, and I wept much. The word wept is in the Imperfect Tense. It shows continuous action. He was weeping convulsively. He saw no hope, even in heaven, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the scroll, neither to look therein. So, he wept.
  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Ohh sorry find it! rev 8. And we know that the antichrist was already active in the times of the Apostles. So we shouldn't think it will retreat. And it is becoming clearer and clearer that the antichrist himself will strike back at us through the mark of the beast and that the Internet, which extends throughout the world, plays a central role. GBU
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 33):

    Revelation 7:4 - And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

    And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and it was 144,000 of all the tribes of the children of Israel. There are several groups that claim to be part of the 144,000. But these are God's sealed servants which means that they are protected. It says right in the text that the 144,000 are from out of the tribes of the children, or sons of Israel. These are Jews, all 144,000 of them.

    Revelation 7:12 - Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

    Saying, Amen, which means of a truth, of a certainty: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honor, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever, and notice that the word be is in italics in your bible.

    It's actually a factual statement in the Greek text, (is) unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

    Revelation 8:11 - And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

    And the name of the star is called Wormwood (APSINTHOS), which means bitter: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesse,

    "It says right in the text that the 144,000 are from out of the tribes of the children, or sons of Israel. These are Jews, all 144,000 of them."

    This opening of the seals is setting forth the entire will of God in terms of seven, the whole number. There are no additions or deletions. The text you cite is an interlude between sixth and the final seal. Before I move on to the specific let me give the seals as with trumpets and the vials are from the POV of the Son, of the Word and of the Word become flesh.

    POV of the Son began with the Lamb who is prevailed upon to break open all the seven. This narrative ends with the robes of the martyrs made by the blood of the Lamb in Ch.7 (v.14). in v.17 we have "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes." In the entire episode it is the Will where the elders and the four beasts representing the body only figure. (Heb.10-5-7) God sent his Son and was rejected by the nation of Israel. Consequently it is the 'only begotten Son' (Representing the throne of God and of the Lamb) to whom all judgment is given, and he determines the ones included in 144,000. In Jn 8 we have the parentage of the Jews, (' He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.'vv.44-47)

    'It says right in the text' but you are looking elsewhere, Jesse. Learn to rightly divide the word of truth and not truth. There is a big difference.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Bennymkje,

    Big difference indeed! And if I may, I would encourage you also to learn the same!
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Jesse,

    Amen. The time is at hand. Do not forget the prophesy, Jesse." Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein."The half an hour tells you what Jesus Christ has done. "here was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour."(8.1) Do you hear and do you keep? Let us do them both. Amen
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Perhaps i should explain what prophesy means.In terms of the book of the Revelation. "For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy."(Rev.19.10)

    This refers to the spirit of Christ." For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."(2 Pet.1.21) We have a proof :God tells the king of Gerar that Abraham was a prophet. Until the time of Jesus, the heirs of promise spoke by the spirit of Christ. Thus Jacob on his deathbed curses the sons of Leah, "Cursed be their anger, for it was fierce; and their wrath, for it was cruel: I will divide them in Jacob, and scatter them in Israel."(Gen.49.7) Diaspora of Jewish nation was to happen in fulness of time. Cursed is the man who makes whom God cursed Jew as blessed.. God promises Abraham," And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee."

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  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 32):

    Revelation 6:6 - And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

    A measure of wheat for a penny, which is a quart measure, a dry measure of wheat for a DENARIUS, one day's wage. And three measures of barley. Barley was the food of the poor. Barley was the food for the animals. And people would be able to afford three measures of barley instead of one measure of wheat for a DENARIUS.

    And see you hurt not the oil and the wine. And this would be the consumption of those who are rich. The antichrist will have control over the world's food supplies, under the breaking of the third seal.

    Revelation 6:8 - And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

    And I looked, and behold a pale horse. This Greek word for pale, CHLOROS, is where we get our word chlorine from, pale horse. And the name of him that sat upon him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth. So of the earth's population will die at the breaking of the fourth seal.

    Revelation 6:10 - And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

    Just as a side note, and I think I've shared this before, but that little phrase "them that dwell upon the earth," it's actually a title. It's called the earth dwellers. All the people who are not Christians are called earth dwellers. As believers, we are citizens of heaven. And then there are the dwellers upon the earth. So, this crowd is saying "How long before you avenge the spilling of our blood?"
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 31):

    Revelation 6:2 - And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

    For many years this was interpreted that this was the second coming of Jesus Christ, a white horse coming, the one who's sitting on it is given a crown, and he goes out to conquer, so it was thought to be Jesus Christ.

    But this is not the second coming of Christ, but rather the representation of the antichrist, the false messiah who will come.

    And here's the reasons why:

    It says he comes on a white horse. It's the same as Jesus in Revelation Chapter 19. It's a white horse. But, this one who is sitting on a white horse has a bow. In Revelation Chapter 19, Christ has a sword.

    A crown was also given to this one. And the word for crown in this verse is STEPHANOS. That's the wreath that is given to the victors at the coliseum games. This is a STEPHANOS. In Revelation Chapter 19, it says that when Christ comes at His second coming, He will be wearing many crowns, and the word for crown is in Chapter 19 is DIADEM, the royal crown.

    And this one will come out conquering and to conquer. And that's the antichrist taking over the one world system.

    Also, another point to make, it is the Lamb that's opening the seal. He's not coming back yet, not until we get into Revelation Chapter 19.

    So, this one riding on a white horse with a bow in his hand, he was given a crown, a STEPHANOS, not a DIADEM. And he went out to conquer. This is the antichrist. This is the false messiah that Jesus said first would come.
  • Free - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Hi dear Jesse, and thank you for the study. Peace, for several days I have been pondering the antichrist that you describe in Rev, Part 31. And a theory emerged in me. But then I can't find this arrow and bow that you describe as carried by the antichrist. Do you have the scripture where it is mentioned? The only bow and arrows I am aware of are in Eph 6. And there it says that the arrows are from the evil one. GBU
  • Jesse - In Reply - 1 year ago
    (Revelation Part 30):

    Revelation 5:6 - And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb. The word stood is in the Perfect Tense. A Lamb had been standing, as it had been slain, the appearance of the Lamb.

    The word slain doesn't mean killed. It means butchered or slaughtered. We're going to see the marks of crucifixion. In John Chapter 20, after Jesus rose from the dead, you remember the invitation to Thomas who doubted the resurrection story, and Jesus invited him to come and put his finger in the prints in His hands, and to thrust his fist into His side, and to come and see that it is me.

    So here we have a Lamb that had been standing there as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, sent forth into all the earth. In Daniel Chapter 7, we see that horns represent power and authority. And of course, the eyes, Zechariah tells us that the Messiah has seven eyes ( Zechariah 3:9, 4:10). The word seven means complete. It means that He is in complete authority, and He sees everything fully and completely.



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