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  • Bennymkje - 7 months ago
    Annotated Gen.2.1-3 Conclusion.

    The Word circular is the Law so God a Spirit shall make all heaven and earth come under the fullness of his Son. This day I have begotten thee, for example is the decree.(Ps.2.7)

    As case study take this passage Col.1.16-19 "all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible," are to be reconciled in one. The Word circular thus establish the ministry of reconciliation of Jesus. Another point is that heaven and the earth, visible and invisible aspects gives rise to the principle of Similitude, by which parables are preeminent for instruction in righteousness. "I an my Father are one' It is on this basis Jesus instituted sent forth doctrine of his Father. " He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me."(Mt.10.40; Lk 10.16) Three principles as the Word have three positions in the beginning.( Jn 1.1-2) Jesus on resurrection fills the role,'The same was in the beginning with God". By fulfilling the will of the Father became the fulfilment of the Law. In short the Covenant of seven days set forth in the beginning in 'heavenly places' has the head. Gen.1.2 refers to the heavenly places.The risen in Christ in glory now according to Col.1.16-19 is "the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."

    Instead we have the week in place of day. The decree of his Father is given a body by the obedience of one man. It is on this basis we are annotating the following passages 2.5-25.

    " Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."(Rom.5.12,19)
  • Bennymkje - In Reply - 7 months ago
    In the penultimate para:

    "Instead we have the week in place of day. The decree of his Father is given a body by the obedience of one man. It is on this basis we are annotating the following passages 2.5-25."

    Following the line,"Instead we have the week in place of day" please read the rest, "and the father of lies has indeed created a great delusion in those who make a lie of the word of God. Blasphemy of the sects have so long made the decree to none effect."
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 7 months ago
    I get so blessed keeping the Sabbath At times , the LORDS day as always will be !
  • T-rex - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Isaiah 1:13 - a day like Sabbath intended to honor God was made an iniquity and offensive. Someone's heart, motive, and conduct seems integral in honoring God, not merely in the ritual itself.

    Mark 2:27 The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

    Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath. Legalistic people accused him of wrongdoing. If Jesus was here today and you didn't know it, would some legalistic Christians shame and accuse Him of breaking the law and try to kill Him (again)?
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Jesus still is the Lord of the Sabbath!
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 7 months ago
    What did Jesus the Lord of the Sabbath , the same yesterday today and forever ever mean in Matthew 24 v 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter , neither on THE SABBATH Day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the Beginning of the world to this time , no nor shall be be . ( does Jesus know something here ? Amen ! )
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hey Meek and seek,

    Another thought on Matthew 24, the warnings that Jesus gave about fleeing Judea, and praying that it was not on a Sabbath. Was this for the future, or were they for the time just before Jerusalem was destroyed in AD 70, or both? Whether it would matter, back then, the gates of Jerusalem would be locked on a Sabbath. This discourse began with Jesus telling them about the temple's destruction. Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    Just a thought.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 7 months ago
    The context is the great tribulation not yet happened. Matthew 24 is the future up until the coming of Jesus in glory when he comes in the clouds and every eye shall see him . Interesting the Angels said to the disciples when Jesus was taken up , he would return in like manner . That corresponds to his secound coming not a secret rapture , further proof of the false rapture doctrine and its dispensational narrative. In Mark 13 Jesus said he has foretold all events , again no secret rapture . The explanation the believers used what they called JN Darbys new doctrine was a fabrication and another gospel . The rapture undermines the coming of the Lord Jesus which is our hope , so I can see how some would think that , the Lord knows who are his in any situation . The oblivious error is if the Holy Spirit is removed how did any get saved after ? That would be impossible. And many do get saved during the tribulation, that's the good news countless numbers . A few thoughts . Thanks !
  • Jesse - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hello Meek and seek,

    (Part 1):

    If you don't mind, I would like to share my answer to your question. First thing to consider is that when reading through Matthew (including Chapter 24), we must keep in mind that Matthew's gospel was written to the Hebrew (Jewish) people. It was written to present Jesus as the Savior Messiah.

    You ask what did Jesus mean in Matthew 24:20, and again, Jesus is speaking to Jewish people when He says, "But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:" We know this from Matthew 24:16 where Jesus says," Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:" So, these are Jews.

    The Greek word for flight (PHUGE) in Verse 20 means to escape or flee, and it is a word that describes urgency. It means to flee immediately. It's an urgent evacuation for the Jews that will follow "the abomination of desolation."

    Jesus tells them that when the abomination of desolation sets up in their temple, He tells them to flee immediately into the mountains. But in Verse 20, He tells them to pray that their flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. So, if I'm a Jewish person, what am I to do? Jesus tells me to flee, but if it is in the winter or the sabbath, what do I do?
  • Jesse - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Meek and seek,

    (Part 2):

    Here's the reason, at least from my understanding. First, if they are told to flee because it is urgent for them to escape, why should it matter what season of the year it is? Well, winter can be very severe in Jerusalem. It even snows. Now it makes more sense as to why they (the Jewish people) would be told to pray that this would come under less extreme weather.

    But then Jesus tells them to pray that they will not have to flee on the sabbath day. What a dilemma, huh? If it were me during this time, I am out of there no matter what day it is or what the weather is like. I'm fleeing! But here's the thing. Jesus is speaking to Jews. Orthodox Jews to this day still strictly adhere to keeping the sabbath rules and laws.

    So, right in the middle of the tribulation period when the event given in Matthew 24:15 takes place, there's no time for the Jews to gather any of their belonging before fleeing. It will be that urgent for them because they will be slaughtered unless they flee. But if it is on the sabbath day, they can only go 1,000 yards before they have to stop. Now they're just "sitting ducks" waiting to be slaughtered, because by their law, they have to keep the Sabbath. They will never make it to safety (the mountains) if they have to flee on the Sabbath.

    Hope this helps!
  • Meek and seek - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hi Jesse your response is something I have heard before , I went many years ago to a Plymouth brethren assembly, some even had Darby Bible translations . But as I read the Bible my self the Lord revealed to me the truth of Scripture. The first error I was convinced of was the pre trib rapture. Then the dispensational errors of the church, and Israel etc. There is so much in the Bible that disproves these doctrines that started in England among the Plymouth brethren, but the Plymouth brethren started out pretty good , but was divided by JN Darby and his followers. 1800 s . Today it's hard to tell the two sides apart . Here is a passage of scripture Galatians 3 v 26 - 29 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ . There is neither Jew nor Greek , there is neither bond or free , there is neither male or female : for ye are all one in Christ . And if ye are Christs then ye are Abraham s seed and heirs according to the promise . There are many other scripture as well . Notice acts 2v47 the Jews are the early church .
  • Jesse - In Reply - 7 months ago
    Hello again, Meek and seek,

    First off, my apologies to you for misunderstanding your question. When I read the question, I had no idea that it had anything to do with the rapture or the teachings of the Plymouth Brethren Assembly. I have zero knowledge of this assembly or what they teach. One thing I do agree with you on is that if you are in any fellowship, regardless of where it is, and they are teaching things contrary to scripture, you are absolutely right to leave that fellowship.

    Lastly, I wish to thank you for sharing Galatians 3:26-29, although I am not sure how this passage applies to the original question asked? It is a great section of scripture that speaks about spiritual baptism.

    1 Corinthians 12:13 tells us that we've all been baptized by one Spirit into the body of Christ. It's another phrase for the Spirit of God coming into a person's life. It represents cleansing and identification.

    Galatians 3:28 tells us that we (those who have been born of God's Spirit) are all one in Christ Jesus. Isn't that great! We are all one in Christ Jesus, something we should all keep in mind whenever we have disagreements with one another.

    Blessings!



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