I have worked from this site for several years, but never visited the comment section.
The Book of Revelation is my area of interest. I have learned that there are multiple layers of interpretation. Often, the researcher strays from one layer of interpretation into another layer in part or whole.
In the higher levels, there are three storylines discussing the same period of time. However, each storyline has a different a diffirent primary subject.
To get the most out of the book, set aside the literal reading for the metaphorical. For example, Jesus is the rider of the white horse in Rev. 19:11, and likewise in Rev. 6:1-2. As you may know, as the rider of the white horse in Rev. 6:1-2, he has a crown of authority given to him. This crown of authority is explained in Rev. 5:7 as the book with the seven seals given via God the Father. And, Rev. 1:1 tells us that the seven seals are the revelation that John is shown and writes as the Book of Revelation.
Thus, the revelation is the seven seals and vice versa. The seven seals are repeated throughout the book with varying levels of information that primarily relate to the first 3.5 years of the seven-year tribulation.
That is, the revelation is concerned with the time before the midpoint, more than the time after the midpoint.
As previously stated, the majority of The Book of Revelation focuses upon the 3.5-year tribulation era, and not so much on the 3.5-year judgment era that follows. I think the reason is that the beast and his false prophet rage upon the earth and are put down in the tribulation era. Afterwards, the judgment era is simply a gathering of saints where those who followed the beast and his false prophet are excluded.
But it is the tribulation era that the saints hunker down and turn to the Savior for protection. The judgment era saints are in the open to be gathered.
So think of this as three gatherings of saints.
1) After Babylon falls but before the plagues.
2) Before the Beast and his false prophet are destroyed, in the tribulation era, near the midpoint.
3) And during a general gathering of saints in the judgment era.
So basically, the harvest of saints is ongoing throughout the entire seven years of tribulation and judgment.
Well Ksk I think you should typ a book to me and i will tell you what I thinkand then I can retyp it and make it more unerstandable and then you canwrite it down onpaper an then make copies of it thenstaple them together.
Please consider The Book of Revelation Chapter One ( Rev. 1). Where is the chiasmus center? As I have previously explained, the Savior is often the center of the chiasmus.
Rev. 1:1-7
..... Rev. 1:8, The Chapter One chiasmus center
Rev. 1:9-20
There are different types of chiasmi. The one above is what I consider abbreviated. Because the verses are not stated individually. Also, chiasmi change depending upon what the researcher is looking for. That is, a chiasmius is simply a tool for studying scripture. At least that is how I use chiasmi.
Sometimes I use a chiasmus like reading a book. The progression goes from 1, 2, 3, etc. or a, b, c, etc. I use a, b, c, for the most part, but I also use 1, 2, 3. There is not really a specific way for this as long as you keep the rules straight. The first rule is that the chiasmus reads from left to right to the center, and then from right to left to the end.
a, begin
...b
c, end
1, begin
...2
3, end
Often, I look at the parallels from top to bottom.
a, top
...b
c, bottom
When I look at the parallels, I change the numbering to reflect that I am reading parallels; the top and bottom. That is, I am not reading the chiasmus as a linear read, but top to bottom.
a, top
...b
a, bottom
There is a third type of chiasmus that I use but not that often, which is a spiral. Often, the spiral becomes obvious. So it is not so much a tool but something that can be found.
1
...3
2
So that is the three types of chiasmi that I use and how I use them.
At times, I find a "reverse" in the chiasmus. That is, the chiasmus is out of order. I call reverses "X" chiasmi because the reverse shows up as an "X". Here is an example:
Rev. 4:3
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
There are different types of chiasmi. The one above is what I consider abbreviated. Because the verses are not stated individually. Also, chiasmi change depending upon what the researcher is looking for. That is, a chiasmius is simply a tool for studying scripture. At least that is how I use chiasmi.
Sometimes I use a chiasmus like reading a book. The progression goes from 1, 2, 3, etc. or a, b, c, etc. I use a, b, c, for the most part, but I also use 1, 2, 3. There is not really a specific way for this as long as you keep the rules straight. The first rule is that the chiasmus reads from left to right to the center, and then from right to left to the end.
a, begin
...b
c, end
1, begin
...2
3, end
Often, I look at the parallels from top to bottom.
a, top
...b
c, bottom
When I look at the parallels, I change the numbering to reflect that I am reading parallels; the top and bottom. That is, I am not reading the chiasmus as a linear read, but top to bottom.
a, top
...b
a, bottom
There is a third type of chiasmus that I use but not that often, which is a spiral. Often, the spiral becomes obvious. So it is not so much a tool but something that can be found.
1
...3
2
So that is the three types of chiasmi that I use and how I use them.
At times, I find a "reverse" in the chiasmus. That is, the chiasmus is out of order. I call reverses "X" chiasmi because the reverse shows up as an "X". Here is an example:
Rev. 4:3
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
Continuing with Rev. 4:3 stated as an X chiasmus and then stated in standard form.
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
b) in sight like unto an emerald.
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...b) in sight like unto an emerald.
a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
Notice that "a, b" has been corrected in the above verse. And now the verse reads a a, b b, c. Whereas before it read a b, b a, c.
In this verse, John is looking at the throne of God. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are represented as the jasper, sardine, and emerald. The center of the Godhead is Christ.
Jasper (The Father)
...Sardine (Christ)
Emerald (Holy Ghost)
With the verse placed into standard form, the Godhead represented by the stones is easy to see. The Book of Revelation is like this. In order to read the book at the higher levels of interpretation, you must read the chiasmi. It takes years of work to do this, and I can share my understanding of the book with you.
It would be nice if we had a larger area to work rather than the limited space in these postings. Another example of an X chiasmus is Rev. 19:19. This verse is a reverse chiasmus because the kings of the earth are the Savior's army.
And I saw the beast,
...and the kings of the earth,
......and their armies, gathered together to make war
...against him that sat on the horse,
and against his army.
a) And I saw the beast,
...b) and the kings of the earth,
......c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
...a) against him that sat on the horse,
b) and against his army.
a) And I saw the beast,
...b) and the kings of the earth,
......c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
... b) and against his army.
a) against him that sat on the horse,
The verse reads a a, b b, c after it is changed from an X chiasmus into standard form.
That is a good idea, but better yet is a question and answer, where the context is a series that can be put into categories. You decide the categories, and the completed text is yours to do with as you wish.
While the Book of Daniel is necessary for understanding Rev. 17:10-11, it is not necessary for understanding the remainder of the revelation. Thus, the application of the Book of Daniel to the Book of Revelation is in the fall of Babylon section of the book, which is Chapters 17-21.
In this section, we see the destruction of Babylon in Chapter Seventeen and the rise of the New Jerusalem in Chapter Twenty-One. Between these two events is an expansion about the fall of Babylon in Chapter Eighteen, followed by the Savior's response in Chapter Nineteen, and the ending result in Chapter Twenty.
Together, these five chapters form a chiasmus highlighting the Savior in the central chapter as follows:
Ch. 17
Ch. 18
Ch. 19, highlights the Savior
Ch. 20
Ch. 21
This set of Chapters is the third storyline in the Book of Revelation.
But I'm always being interrupted so I don't take notes.
I had help from the late MacArthur, Cornerstone chapel with P.Gary Hamrick, Dr Baruch Korman (Israel) P. Jack Hibbs. And several more highly reputable ones but I had to go to Baruch at Loveisrael.org to confirm the rapture conflict and I got my answer which is what I thought all along directly from the Bible. (Immediately after the tribulation)
The Book of Revelation is my area of interest. I have learned that there are multiple layers of interpretation. Often, the researcher strays from one layer of interpretation into another layer in part or whole.
In the higher levels, there are three storylines discussing the same period of time. However, each storyline has a different a diffirent primary subject.
To get the most out of the book, set aside the literal reading for the metaphorical. For example, Jesus is the rider of the white horse in Rev. 19:11, and likewise in Rev. 6:1-2. As you may know, as the rider of the white horse in Rev. 6:1-2, he has a crown of authority given to him. This crown of authority is explained in Rev. 5:7 as the book with the seven seals given via God the Father. And, Rev. 1:1 tells us that the seven seals are the revelation that John is shown and writes as the Book of Revelation.
Thus, the revelation is the seven seals and vice versa. The seven seals are repeated throughout the book with varying levels of information that primarily relate to the first 3.5 years of the seven-year tribulation.
That is, the revelation is concerned with the time before the midpoint, more than the time after the midpoint.
But it is the tribulation era that the saints hunker down and turn to the Savior for protection. The judgment era saints are in the open to be gathered.
So think of this as three gatherings of saints.
1) After Babylon falls but before the plagues.
2) Before the Beast and his false prophet are destroyed, in the tribulation era, near the midpoint.
3) And during a general gathering of saints in the judgment era.
So basically, the harvest of saints is ongoing throughout the entire seven years of tribulation and judgment.
Rev. 1:1-7
..... Rev. 1:8, The Chapter One chiasmus center
Rev. 1:9-20
There are different types of chiasmi. The one above is what I consider abbreviated. Because the verses are not stated individually. Also, chiasmi change depending upon what the researcher is looking for. That is, a chiasmius is simply a tool for studying scripture. At least that is how I use chiasmi.
Sometimes I use a chiasmus like reading a book. The progression goes from 1, 2, 3, etc. or a, b, c, etc. I use a, b, c, for the most part, but I also use 1, 2, 3. There is not really a specific way for this as long as you keep the rules straight. The first rule is that the chiasmus reads from left to right to the center, and then from right to left to the end.
a, begin
...b
c, end
1, begin
...2
3, end
Often, I look at the parallels from top to bottom.
a, top
...b
c, bottom
When I look at the parallels, I change the numbering to reflect that I am reading parallels; the top and bottom. That is, I am not reading the chiasmus as a linear read, but top to bottom.
a, top
...b
a, bottom
There is a third type of chiasmus that I use but not that often, which is a spiral. Often, the spiral becomes obvious. So it is not so much a tool but something that can be found.
1
...3
2
So that is the three types of chiasmi that I use and how I use them.
At times, I find a "reverse" in the chiasmus. That is, the chiasmus is out of order. I call reverses "X" chiasmi because the reverse shows up as an "X". Here is an example:
Rev. 4:3
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
b) in sight like unto an emerald.
This is an X chiasmus. Can you see the X?
There are different types of chiasmi. The one above is what I consider abbreviated. Because the verses are not stated individually. Also, chiasmi change depending upon what the researcher is looking for. That is, a chiasmius is simply a tool for studying scripture. At least that is how I use chiasmi.
Sometimes I use a chiasmus like reading a book. The progression goes from 1, 2, 3, etc. or a, b, c, etc. I use a, b, c, for the most part, but I also use 1, 2, 3. There is not really a specific way for this as long as you keep the rules straight. The first rule is that the chiasmus reads from left to right to the center, and then from right to left to the end.
a, begin
...b
c, end
1, begin
...2
3, end
Often, I look at the parallels from top to bottom.
a, top
...b
c, bottom
When I look at the parallels, I change the numbering to reflect that I am reading parallels; the top and bottom. That is, I am not reading the chiasmus as a linear read, but top to bottom.
a, top
...b
a, bottom
There is a third type of chiasmus that I use but not that often, which is a spiral. Often, the spiral becomes obvious. So it is not so much a tool but something that can be found.
1
...3
2
So that is the three types of chiasmi that I use and how I use them.
At times, I find a "reverse" in the chiasmus. That is, the chiasmus is out of order. I call reverses "X" chiasmi because the reverse shows up as an "X". Here is an example:
Rev. 4:3
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
b) in sight like unto an emerald.
This is an X chiasmus. Can you see the X?
Great Job you can now write it down on paper.
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
b) in sight like unto an emerald.
a) And he that sat was to look upon
...b) like a jasper
......c) and a sardine stone:
...b) in sight like unto an emerald.
a) and there was a rainbow round about the throne,
Notice that "a, b" has been corrected in the above verse. And now the verse reads a a, b b, c. Whereas before it read a b, b a, c.
In this verse, John is looking at the throne of God. The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are represented as the jasper, sardine, and emerald. The center of the Godhead is Christ.
Jasper (The Father)
...Sardine (Christ)
Emerald (Holy Ghost)
With the verse placed into standard form, the Godhead represented by the stones is easy to see. The Book of Revelation is like this. In order to read the book at the higher levels of interpretation, you must read the chiasmi. It takes years of work to do this, and I can share my understanding of the book with you.
It would be nice if we had a larger area to work rather than the limited space in these postings. Another example of an X chiasmus is Rev. 19:19. This verse is a reverse chiasmus because the kings of the earth are the Savior's army.
And I saw the beast,
...and the kings of the earth,
......and their armies, gathered together to make war
...against him that sat on the horse,
and against his army.
a) And I saw the beast,
...b) and the kings of the earth,
......c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
...a) against him that sat on the horse,
b) and against his army.
a) And I saw the beast,
...b) and the kings of the earth,
......c) and their armies, gathered together to make war
... b) and against his army.
a) against him that sat on the horse,
The verse reads a a, b b, c after it is changed from an X chiasmus into standard form.
I like that idea.
Ch. 4
Ch. 5
Ch. 6, seals 1-6
Ch. 7
Ch. 8, seal 7, and trumpets 1-4
Ch. 9
Ch. 10
Ch. 11
In this section, we see the destruction of Babylon in Chapter Seventeen and the rise of the New Jerusalem in Chapter Twenty-One. Between these two events is an expansion about the fall of Babylon in Chapter Eighteen, followed by the Savior's response in Chapter Nineteen, and the ending result in Chapter Twenty.
Together, these five chapters form a chiasmus highlighting the Savior in the central chapter as follows:
Ch. 17
Ch. 18
Ch. 19, highlights the Savior
Ch. 20
Ch. 21
This set of Chapters is the third storyline in the Book of Revelation.
But I'm always being interrupted so I don't take notes.
I had help from the late MacArthur, Cornerstone chapel with P.Gary Hamrick, Dr Baruch Korman (Israel) P. Jack Hibbs. And several more highly reputable ones but I had to go to Baruch at Loveisrael.org to confirm the rapture conflict and I got my answer which is what I thought all along directly from the Bible. (Immediately after the tribulation)
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