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Good point however after he sinned; he didn't have God to talk to; and mind development depends on interactivity with other people as people can think. You can be interactive with animals also but they can not think.

Someone needs to tell the Baptist Churches, huh?

John the Baptist also baptized Jesus in water. As a dove the Holy Spirit pointed Jesus out. John prophesied, this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.

If you go back into Discussions history pages you will see many pages on comment on this subject: through Jesus and all of his disciples and Paul.

We cannot understand the Bible fully unless we have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. That's why the Disciples were told by Jesus to await in the Upper Room.

The Holy Spirit is the 3rd person of the Godhead. When He came into the upper room the guys saw tongues of fire. They had a unique supernatural experience that was witnessed by a lot of people. How do you know they were all Jews? This event flowed out into the streets, such was the excitement. I'm sure there were some Gentiles in the area. What are the odds on that? It says they heard their own languages coming from the disciples mouths. It was a city; all kinds of people were around to witness this and Hear it.

It's recorded in the Bible. Jesus wanted this to happen just as it did. He said the Comforter would Come! The disciples KNEW this was the manifestation of what Jesus said! They were beyond JOY that Jesus was with them and in them in a very real way.

They were not alone, fearful, anymore. They had Jesus with them and in them again.

Look in your encyclopedic index in your Bible and look at the list of what all the Holy Spirits ministry is to believers! One: HE is our TEACHER who HELPS us rightly divide the WORD of TRUTH. (I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE). We need the Holy Spirit; and His Baptism.

If you are doubting about the gift of tongues; HE will not force it on you! It's for your edification. See? We have to learn from Him first. Be taught by Him. You have to study like a "student" and ask many many questions that are in your mind. And then you've got to get STILL before HIM and LISTEN to Him.

Amen ! god is in control.

Albert,

I agree that it is the same Spirit, whether we say Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost, same Spirit. And yes, the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit is the gift. That is the only gift He promises to every believer. Did the Spirit raise Jesus from the dead, or did Jesus raise Himself? Jesus said I will raise up this temple. Acts Chapter 2 is a perfect example of tongues in its proper use. It would be equivalent to going to a foreign country, not knowing the language of that country, and all of a sudden we begin to witness to someone in their native tongue (language), a language that we don't know, but they understand perfectly what we are saying. It's a sign to them that what we are telling them is from God because there's no other way we could know their language so perfectly. It would be an awesome experience to be used the same way God used those in Acts Chapter 2. The problem is that's not what's happening in the church today.

Every believer who receives Christ receives the same Spirit. But not every believer who receives His Spirit automatically starts speaking in tongues as evidence. In Acts 2, there was a reason why God used tongues. We are not to try and emulate that today.

You've witnessed many things. Praise the Lord and all glory to God. He still heals, but not through the hands of men. Yes, God's Spirit is powerful, able to convict even the vilest of sinners and bring them to repentance, but I think we have to be cautious when it comes to "miracles" and "signs." How do we know it's all from God?

Yes, the bible is alive and powerful. And there's nothing wrong with talking about receiving the Holy Ghost/Holy Spirit, and telling people that receiving His Spirit will change and transform every aspect and thought process in a believer's life. But it would be the same thing as telling someone to receive Christ. Same thing! It's when people are being told that there needs to be evidence of the Holy Ghost by them speaking in tongues. That I can't agree with.

That is the Christian thing to do. But sometimes when we are groaning under the stress they put us through, we forget and just want them removed. You wished your enemy the best.

Alex to WR ABOUT WHO IS THE BRIDEGROOM. WR i said when they asked John about Christ and his disciples, John replied he that hath the bride is the bridegoom.Who was it that had the disciples fllowing him ? Jesus, John was trying to tell them that it was Christ who was the bridegroom.John was just a friend of the bridegroom he said. And he said that his joy was fulfilled just to hear his voice ( his words, his seeds,ya remember jesus said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows have filled your hearts impling a spritual pregnancyWhen a woman is in travail she has sorrows till the Child comes then her sorrows are turned into joy,impling a spritual birth,the Child is the H.G. thats ye he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit thats our new innerman the H.G. WHICH MEANS ANOTHER COMFORTER ANOTHER CHRIST BORN IS US VIA HIS SEED THE WORD, They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin,he has a seed to sow in us sinners ( humanity ) That was the great Promise that Christ wd be be multiplied as the stars of heaven thus the sower and his precious seed sown is us sinners thats y the new birth is so important. We must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed etc which is the seed of the bridegroom. ok gbu WR

All things in moderation. Even your interpretations of some thing written thousands of years ago . Let us not forget where the making of wine came from. It was Gods gift to Noah for saving the faithful.

I took the Lord at a His Word...

Pray for your enemies. Bless those who curse you and abuse you.

So I did :D. I asked God to give them a promotion. It works!

Here's some good scriptures for parents of kids rioting in our streets.

Jesus is Love but I don't think he would approve what is happening in our cities.

These scriptures were canonized into the Bible.

If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

If they get hit with a rubber bullet... they should have been home (if living in parents basement), keeping it clean.

2 Timothy 3:1-8

This know also, that in the Last Days ( Jude 18) perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, un-thankful, unholy!

Please do read the other verses! So should society go soft on these people?

Genesis 3:21

"Unto Adam also and to his WIFE did the Lord God MAKE COATS of skins and CLOTHED them".

Anybody know some Hebrew? Translate MAKE.

They weren't animalistic cave people. They were created human and had clothing. Adam was intelligent!! He named everything in Creation. He was anointed to dress and keep the garden; give names to creation. His job. He was employed and worked 6 days a week!

Chris,

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Another popular theory among Bible students concerning the flood of Noah's time is offered to explain the fact that not only did the different ethnic races of humans survive the flood, but that the "giants" ( Genesis 6:4) that were upon the earth before the flood, also survived the flood. Giants are the product of fallen Angels mating with humans. They survived because Scripture states that they were upon the earth "also after that" ( Genesis 6:4), hence, after the flood of Noah's time occurred. More proof lies in the fact that David fought the GIANT Goliath approximately 2500 years later. This theory explains that the flood of Noah's time was only localized to that particular area in which Noah and the rest of the extended families of Adam lived, and migrated into. The flood was sent unto this specific area that was originally inhabited by the offspring of the fallen angels (rendered "sons of God" in Genesis 6:2, 4), and their families. They initially populated this particular land because their instruction was to come expressly unto the daughters of Adam, to "take them wives of all which they chose" ( Genesis 6:2), so that they could "bare children to them" ( Genesis 6:4), thereby intermixing and corrupting the seed line of the Messiah to the point of no return. These "giants," and their offspring, eventually may have settled outside the flood area, and subsequently were not a part of that destruction, also look at Genesis 12:6, 13:7, 15:19 - 21.

I believe that either, both, or a combination of these, and other possible scenarios that can be backed by Scripture, are the reason why all races are on the earth today.

Chris,

Great point! I did a study a few years back on the word "gifts" used in association with gifts of the Spirit. And many of the places in the N.T. that this word gift or gifts are used, the word gifts is in italics. I'm sure you know what the italics are. But I did a Greek study on the word gifts, and there were two different Greek words for our English word gift or gifts. One of those words had to do with an actual gift given to someone. And the other word had to do with expressions of God's Spirit. The only time the word was used as in reference to an actual gift that is given to believers; it was used to show that we are given the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost. That is the only gift that is actually given to us. The rest of the things mentioned: gifts of prophecy/healing/tongues etc. were simply expressions of God's Spirit.

I do believe God still heals today. Human beings cannot heal anyone. And as far as tongues goes, if God chooses to cause a believer to speak in tongues, I believe He will do so. But like the scripture says, it's not for everyone. I tend to believe that it might even be rare that God causes a believer to speak in tongues. To this day I remain skeptical of those who are telling people that tongues is evidence that you are saved, and that all believers should speak in tongues as evidence that they have the Holy Ghost. I also do not trust these huge faith healing ministries. Some of these people have been exposed as being frauds. I think it would be nice if all these so-called "faith healers" and all those who claim to have the "gift" of healing if they would go to all the hospitals and heal all the sick people there, especially the children who are sick and dying.

Chris,

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I did not answer one of your initial questions concerning Noah and the Ark and who we are descendants from if only 8 souls aboard the Ark survived ( 1 Peter 3:20). Disclaimer: This might get lengthy and bring in other topics that may not be a part of mainstream Christian conclusions, so to speak. I am giving you a lot of info. I have a lot of time on my hands lately. Thanks for reading.

There are various ideas about how all races are still on the earth if the flood of Noah's time destroyed all life. What does Scripture say?

I would start by turning to Genesis 6:19. "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female."

Our Father is letting us know that not only were there the eight Adamic souls ( 1Peter 3:20) instructed to enter the ark; Noah, his wife, his three sons, and their wives ( Genesis 6:18), but the command by God was to also bring two of "every living thing of ALL FLESH," which would include the other races of humans, on to the ark with him. They were to be brought "male and female" so that a seed line or remnant of these different races would remain after the flood.

The word "flesh" is derived from the Hebrew word "basar" (baw-sawr). It is used 27 times in the Book of Genesis. Only once is the word not identified with a human being in the Book of Genesis, look at Genesis 9:4. Of the 271 total times the word "flesh" is mentioned in the O.T., the Hebrew word "basar" (baw-sawr) is utilized for 257 of them, and is almost always representing human beings. When the word "flesh" does not represent man, it is easily identified as food; hence meat of some sort, whether living, raw, or cooked, as it does for the first time in ( Ex 12:8), also look at ( Ex 16:3, 8, 12, Lev 4:11, 18:7, etc.).

Jan, I feel the same way. I am a true believer and love God and Jesus to! I also fear God but I also love him just as much! I worry that I am not living up to his standards because I do not like to mingle with a bunch of people like in Church. Not that they are rude or anything I just am not the type. I read something about God almost every day and every time I do he lifts me up and he has answered my prayers and one prayer he answered for me in about 5 Min. Just blew me away and him and only him would have known what I needed and after that I could feel him when I was in certain places in the house and it was a wonderful feeling!! I am afraid I am not living up to his standards and it really does worry me! I do think if I went to Church I would get the answers I am lookin for. What I do is look back to John 3:16, and that really sums it up for me. I wish with all my heart I felt better about everything because it is the most important thing in your life and I want to go to Heaven. I am no where at all a bad person. Gods word is getting fulfilled very fast right now! Amen

Hi Al

I'll share some of my reasons regarding baptism

Matthew 3:11 - I indeeed baptize you with WATER unto repentance

Who is "I"? It is John the Baptist. What is he baptizing with? Water. Why? For 'repentance' (reviewing one's actions and feeling contrition or regret for past wrongs, which is accompanied by commitment to and actual actions that show and prove a change for the better.)

Who was John baptizing? Jews..What were they repenting of? Dead WORKS

( Matt. 3:11) But he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:

he shall baptize you with the HOLY GHOST (Spirit), and with FIRE

Who was John talking about? Jesus .So Jesus baptizes us with the Holy Spirit and Fire (Fire is definitely not water)

Then Ephesians 4:4-5 says:

There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling;

ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism

1 = 1 Which baptism is it? by water? or By Fire(= Holy Spirit)?

If I have to pick ONE BAPTISM I choose Jesus'

Now, WHO had John the Bap. been baptizing? JEWS

Who did Jesus come for?

The Jews ( Matt. 15:24)

Who were the apostles first called to go to? The Jews ( Matt. 10:6)

So, Jesus and John the Bap. were just dealing with the Jews at the time (In fact, until He rose again - Jesus' ministry was primarily to the Jews - He even referred to the Gentiles as 'dogs' ( Matt. 15"26)

How does Jesus save? By Grace=NO more WORKS

How would the Jews get saved? By Grace, right?

They needed to turn (def. of 'repentance') away from depending on their works( Heb. 6"1) and depend solely on Jesus to be saved.

John baptized The Jews w/water to show they had repented from depending on the Law

The Gentiles never even knew about the law so they didn't need water baptism

Jesus didn't need the thief on the cross to be baptized by water



And so,water baptism is associated w/the Jews - & it was newly saved Jews who thought it was necc. for ALL, but Paul knew better ( I Cor. 1:17)

Sincer. KG

jesus was a jew he has grafted us in to the covenant of abraham , galatians 3-29 ,matthew1-1

Chris,

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The earth became a ruin, and the heavens ceased to give light, but neither were created by God in that manner because we know that; "as for God, His way is perfect" ( 2 Samuel 22:31, Psalms 18:30), also look at ( Deuteronomy 32:4, Jeremiah 10:12). Everything created by God is flawless and pure in how it was created, and there is nothing that is not subject to this fact. In other words, God would not create an earth void and formless and a black heaven to spend the next six days fixing what He messed up. God forbid!

Sorry, ended up being long anyway.

Chris,

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Concerning the three heaven and earth AGES; reference will again be pointed toward the entire chapter of 2nd Peter chapter 3. This might give you a clearer understanding of these separate DISPENSATIONS OF TIME (not the formation of three separate heavens and earths). For reference I will again state that "the world that then was" ( 2 Peter 3:6) refers to the first dispensation of time. "The heavens and earth which are now" ( 2 Peter 3:7) refers to the second dispensation of time (the time we are presently living in from Adam until now). And "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2 Peter 3:13) refer to the time period that all God fearing humans are waiting for; also look at Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:12, Revelations 21:1.

My question concerning Satan brings into light the three dispensations of time; as Scripture would be most difficult to understand without comprehension of them.

The fall of Satan happened in the first earth and heaven age and was the reason for the end of that particular time period. Information regarding this can be found (as you stated) in Isaiah 14:12-20, Isaiah 45:18, 19, Jeremiah 4:22-29, and Ezekiel 28:12-19, as they are descriptive figurative statements revealing him to us. Not a page of God's word could be turned without the use of figurative language; which is employed to emphasize a truth and reveal a deeper understanding of the topic being discussed.

Therefore, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. That was the first earth age.

Found in first half of Genesis 1:2 is the result of the end of the first dispensation of time (due to the rebellion of Satan); hence, the earth was (became) without form and void.

Found in the second half of Genesis 1:2 is the first act of the second dispensation of time; hence, the Spirit of God moving upon the waters.

Hi Chris,

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I will attempt to be less confusing. I apologize for possibly trying to give too much information.

There are two accounts of the creation of man. The first account is found in Genesis 1:26-29. The second account can be found in Genesis 2:4-7.

Genesis 1:26-29 is the 6th day account of the creation of the different races that make up mankind, both male and female. The blessings and instructions given in Genesis 1:28 were given to those particular people.

Genesis 2:4-7 is the 6th day account of the creation of the specific man Adam. In Genesis 2:7, God gives us detail as to HOW both Adam and ALL of mankind are formed by Him (from the dust of the ground), but these verses concern only the particular man Adam. Genesis 2:15-17 are the instructions given to the man Adam that are different than the instructions given to the rest of mankind. Adam was that particular man chosen by God to "till the ground" ( Genesis 2:5) and be a farmer in God's Garden; and try to resist Satan.

Genesis 2:21-23 is the formation of Eve FROM Adam. This is not creation of mankind, both "male and female" as found in Genesis 1:28, which concerns all of the races. This particular lineage is very special for all of mankind. It begins with the divine act of our heavenly Father taking a "rib" from Adam and creating Eve (one from one + the Lord God) and ends with the divine act of the Holy Spirit through Mary bringing about the promised birth ( Genesis 3:15) of the Lord and Savior of all the earth (one from one + the Holy Spirit) ( Isaiah 7:14).

I have been reading the Bible; basically Genesis chapters 1, 2 and 3, I love those chapters, and the commandments, of and on for quite a time; and I never realized that Adam was a cave man until a few days ago , when in fact he was the first man; and there was no where else to live at that time because we did not know about houses or anything that we have in the modern world. I have never heard anyone speak of that before when God even told us in the Bible that he made a covering for Adam and Eve from skins, I would say Animals skin or skins. As the first man he had to have been a caveman.

What dose it say about paligomy

What is the true gospel or the good news? Is it the coming of the kingdom of God or Jesus dying for our sins and rose on the third day? I see in Matt 1:14 the kingdom of God. Then I see in 1Corinthians 15:1-4 he died for our sins and rose again. I want to tell people about the good news but I have to know and understand it myself. Can you help?

Mathew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops."

could anyone help me to understand this? Thanks.

1. Isaiah 40:22 calls the earth a circle.

2. NASA doesn't control everything in the skies. You tried to discredit some scientists for being from Germany. Is that their fault? My family is from Germany and we're Christian, are you calling us Nazis? Have you even been to Germany? When a country gets a corrupt oppressive ruler its a logical fallacy to assume all its people suddenly become evil. The fact is the vast majority of Germans were against the Nazi rule and were scared and propaganda lies made them not know the truth of what was going on.

3. The circle of the earth is easily proven by flying on an airplane. If you go high up you can see curvature of the horizon. Also, you can fly all the way around the world in a straight line and end up at your place of origin. I've already done this myself and proved the earth is a sphere. Have you ever traveled? This is a very easy experiment you can do, so what would prevent you from doing this? God already gave us the brains and resources to explore our natural world. People already do this all the time for work, vacation, etc. So when you do this you won't see any folds, no 'end' point, which is because its a sphere with gravity pulling from the middle. Otherwise where is your source of gravity? So, you expect to 'fall off' the end and 'down' in space? Where is down? Anyway you could simply take a GPS and plot all the waypoints of your flight then later plot in software and you'll see its a globe/circle just as God said.

4. There's a mountain of photo/video evidence of what the earth looks like from space. Thousands of photos/videos from before CGI was invented and before non-linear video editing was invented. What prevents you from writing/talking to the people who have been space? All the other stars and planets we can already see are also circles/spheres. We have lots of satellites orbiting earth all the time, which allows you to have internet service, to use websites like this, to read the Bible online, etc. God bless!

The meaning of azazel

The proper form of baptism is in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as Jesus designated in Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.

That being said we split hairs on some scripture and I don't think it was in God's will to build a whole religious system on baptism. It is an external command that we be baptized unto his death and symbolic to the world we are Christians...Christ followers. We are not saved by baptism but by the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.

how to understand "shake off the dust of your feet"? Thanks.

Use a Strong's Concordance, look up the words "cloud" and "air" in 1 Thes 4: 16-17. 16:"the Lord will descend from heaven with a shout, voice of archangel, and with the trumpet of God" (book of Revelations refers to the 7th trump)

"and the dead in Christ shall rise first" as Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be in paradise with him THAT day. 17:"in the clouds" hebrew meaning, "in crowds", and "in the air" hebrew meaning, "spirit form". Also, "Satan will deceive the world" with his talks of peace and "flying away". 6th trump will be "fly away to be saved" by the Antichrist. 7th trump: WE, US, Armor up! Jesus cleanses the world! Check it out! Love you, ALL my friends in Christ.

I dreamt someone telling me to read Isiah chapter 42 and chapter 44 so l wanted to know what these chapters might mean in the spiritual realm. Maybe there is something I should know that I am not aware of in the waking life.

To receive Christ is to receive His Spirit. One cannot receive Christ without receiving the gift of the HolyGhost. If we do not receive Christ, we are none of His ( Romans 8:9). There are two different Spirits. This same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is the same Spirit that was poured out on Pentecost(Acts2:1-4). I have received of the same Spirit, the HolySpirit. I have witnessed countless others receive the Same Spirit that fell on the Day of Pentecost. Jesus spoke of another Comforter ( John 14:16-18; Acts 1:8) that was available to all who would receive it. He said repentance and remissions of sins would be preached in His name ( Luke 24:47) beginning at Jerusalem. This gospel has been preached for over two thousand years. I have witnessed people being healed from all forms of disease: cancer, aids, Lukemia, etc. I witnessed demons cast out of people who were possessed with them. I have witnessed the amazing power of the HolyGhost transform gang members into preachers; prostitutes into missionaries; drunkards into deacons; lost souls mixed up in Islam, New Age, Buddhism, and other false doctrines in born again believers. The same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead; is raising believers in the newness of life. I seen miracles wrought right before my eyes: I have seen the blind( literally blind, a man that has a glass eye and his other eye totally blind) see out of both, legally blind eyes. I have a man's leg grow to meet the length of his good leg. I have witnessed barren women give birth to not one, but three children. I have seen God raise people from Comas, from literally death( one woman was dead for 12 minutes resuscitate to life after I prayed for her in the name of our Risen Savior Jesus Christ. He said greater works would we do. The Bible is a living, God-breathed book; it is not like Shakespeare, Milton, Steinbeck, or Melville. It is the power of God. This is why I talk about receiving the HolyGhost-it is the life changing power of God.