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When Jesus told Peter that he would deny him thrice, Peter didn't under stand until after the fact. Satan have over two thousands years on us Christians, to make everything he or his kind say sound believable. Don't get itchy ears and fall into these lying people wedd. Remember satan is the father of lies. In reference too Peter 2: 2

Sarah: Acts 19:13-20, is enough information to know if your objects, clothing, jewelry, "art" is an idol.

After I was saved, I had to go through my entire home with the Holy Spirit. If He cringes, it's gotta go. You can't sell it, you can't trash it, you can't give it away. Those kind of objects have to be rendered useless.

I burned mine in a thunderstorm with a friend.

Sarah: Exodus chapter 20 contains the Ten commandments. What kind of objects do you have?

certain stories in the bible as some things we are told as children are believed, but as we grow into adulthood many of those beliefs wither and die in the cauldron of critical reasoning

Mishael, with the advent of the internet, there's so much information on the Bible & Bible helps there, that the old hard copies are now near to becoming redundant. Anyway, we older folks still prefer to flick through its pages & enjoying searching the Word systematically. Yes, the NASB is said to be a very good translation as well, & a good option to the KJV.

Ann, In Gal 2:7 Paul is not teaching there are 2 Gospels. That's a misunderstanding. He is simply saying Peter presented the one and only Gospel to one group and Paul handled the other group. Peter had the Middle East. Paul had Greece and Italy. Paul himself cautions that there is no other Gospel, Gal 1:8 - "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be under a curse!"

See Eph 4:4-6, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

Again in 1 Cor 12:13 - "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit."

The use of the word dispensation is not the same as Dispensationalism. There has been a lot of debate over what Dispensationalists believe with respect to Israel, the Church and a Promise that remains to Israel. While the outline of historical "dispensations" is helpful to put Biblical History in perspective, assertions that some things in the NT are for Jews and others for Followers of Christ, are misguided. Hebrews, for example, was written for Christians with a Jewish background. It was not written for Jews or Synagogues. Neither was the Sermon on the Mount for Jews. Its universal principles apply to all. Contrary to the belief of some, Christ was not giving Jews instructions for the Millenium.

Gal 2:15-16 - "We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

Although In Rom 11, Paul makes it clear God still has a commitment to the Jews.

God promised Abraham he would be the Father of MANY NATIONS.

Gen 17:5 - Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of MANY many nations have I made thee.

If the "Jews" are all of Abraham, where are all these MANY "jewish nations"...?

There is only one and it was created by the antichrist United Nations and one is not many.

Either God lied (impossible) or the Jews are not all of Israel.

Where are the MANY JEWISH NATIONS of Abraham?

Judah and Israel were not the same people. God divorced Israel and not Judah. One tribe is not many

Jeremiah 3:8 - And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

The Lord DIVORCED ISRAEL

Israel and judah had wars and different kings as well as different capitols. Jerusalem capitol of Judah.

Samaria capitol of Israel.

2 Kings 8:16 ...Joram the son of Ahab KING of ISRAEL, Jehoshaphat being then KING of JUDAH, ...

1 Kings 21:1 ....had a vineyard, which was in Jezreel, hard by the PALACE of Ahab KING of SAMARIA.

Jeremiah 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

this verse says a new covenant with both Israel AND Judah. So how can they be the same?

Hosea 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.

Romans 9:26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.

Galatians 3:29. - And if ye be Christ's, then ARE ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Mishael, I am glad you read it and understand how evil it is. Think about that next time you want to pray a blessing for those who believe that stuff. Hollywood celebs who wear the red string around their wrists are into this mess. Think Madonna and even some the family of the prez are into this.

This understanding of Kabbalah gives new meaning to this: Jesus in bible book Revelation 2:9 - I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

I live in South Florida with the 3rd largest concentration of Jews in the USA. When I came to the Lord in late 89 I decided I wanted to study the old testament and decided to study from the Jewish perspective, after all it is supposed to be their book right? Why study the OT from Lutherans, Baptists or charismatics?

Anyways I went to the library and started reading Jewish literature and came across this stuff and I could hardly believe it. So how come messianic Jews do not come out and expose and denounce this? They know what it is as they use the symbols and words associated with this.

Those who claim to be Noahides (laws given to Noah not in the Bible) are from this same group. This is the group pushing YESHUA as the name of our savior Jesus. These groups claim Christ was a master of kabbalah and this is how he performed his miracles, the unpardonable sin in my opinion.

One last thing and the highest symbol in the Kabbalah system is proudly displayed on the Israeli flag. Present this info to your church and do not be shocked when you are told to leave.

PS I came out of the new age baby occult filth so I knew what this evil was. Praise the Lord my private Baptist Bible school teaching in middle school kicked in when I saw this vile evil. Look into the Noahide laws and their penalty.

Greg,

I believe all this will all take place during this future 7-year period. Again, my belief is that the church will not be here during those 7 years. But, for those people who are here, this is what I understand from Revelation Chapter 13. During the first half of the Tribulation Period, the antichrist and his prophet will be unifying the economic, political, and religious systems of the world.

In fact, he will make a covenant with the nation Israel to rebuild their temple. And they will start sacrificing again in their temple. And then about the mid-point of this 7-year period, the antichrist comes in with the false prophet, and he puts his image in the Holy of holies and demands that everyone worship the image of the beast. I'm telling you this so you can see how all this fits together.

At that time, in order for anyone to participate in the economic, political, and religious system of the world, to buy food, and to participate, you have to worship the image. If you worship the image, then you will get the mark of the beast. And that mark gives you the authority to function in the economic and political system of the world. You cannot get that mark unless you join his religious system, and worship the image. There will be a one-world currency, political, and religious system. No one can participate without the mark. People can take the mark which will allow them to purchase the necessities for a short time. But, those who take the mark will no longer have an opportunity to be saved. If you're saved now, you have nothing to worry about.

It is best to commit your whole heart and soul to Jesus NOW. Accept him as Savior and Lord.

You will be with us when we are Caught Up. The line will be drawn in the sand so-to-speak. You don't want to stay behind at that time!

I know it's confusing with people preaching pre, mid, and post tribulation. Don't listen to it. Be ready before all that!!!!!!

Jesus is not going to suffer His Bride to be TEMPTED.

Don't make plans to go through the tribulation.

The Antichrist will have already have the edict in place to announce a one world money system. All currencies will be changed to one. Only accessible by getting the Mark of the Beast. If any nation is in possession of a nuke (?), those may be launched in retaliation. We don't know how it unfolds.

We only know a False Peace, initiated by Antichrist will be employed for a few years maybe and then He will reveal his true plans for humanity. He will wholesale slaughter anyone who doesn't have his mark. Marked people will be programmed to turn in anyone who doesn't have the mark.

You and anyone else reading this, get ready now. BE BORN AGAIN now! Receive the Holy Spirits baptism now.

Read it, Bob. I knew it had to be bad because of the Book of Lamentations. I know that the end of the earth was going to be bad. God has to eradicate contrary religions, beliefs.

That's why it is so important in evangelizing that people get the newborns into a Christian church and study group.

I know from my studies that God is going to give the Jews a choice to repent and run to Him only; receive Jesus as their long awaited for, Messiah. Of course that will happen after the Caught Up event. Also the other events to endure. If they don't believe in Jesus at that time, there will be no more remedy for them. The wheat will be separated from the chaff; the goats from the sheep. Everywhere. God is no respecter of persons.

I didn't know how deeply they are into mysticism; esoteric and occult belief.

Hard to believe it was that all consuming.

Satan has something for everyone. My experience: he doesn't like to lose the ones who served him knowingly or unknowingly. Everyone who has dabbled...better repent and get all idols out of the home. It gives "them" permission to come in. Destroy it; pour paint over it. Acts 19:13-19

Thanks for sending that, Bob.

Carlos ...

The entire Word of God was written by Jews and was written to the Jews, with exception of The Apostle Paul, The Apostle of The GENTILES.

That is YOU!

The Revelation is a book of PROPHECY ... to The 7 Churches of Asia that existed during Paul's day.

Revelation 1:3

Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this PROPHECY, and keep those things written therein: for the time is at hand.

You see, The Tribulation was right around the corner for those Jews living during Paul's day, and the books Hebrews through The Revelation are written to prepare the Jews for the SOON Tribulation.

BUT, what happened? How come it DID NOT happen right away?

Answer: Paul and The Body Of Christ

These 7 churches of Asia were JEWISH . . . 7 Candlesticks, Angels, Works, Synagogue, Doctrine of Balaam, Hidden Manna, White Stone, Jezebel, White Linen, Priests, Key of David, New Jerusalem, The Lamb, Lion from The Tribe Of Judah, and on and on.

None of The Revelation has anything to do with YOU!

Thank goodness!

Hebrews - The Last Days, Prophets, Throne, Anointed With Oil, Heirs Of Salvation, Signs and Wonders, To Call Them Brethren, Seed Of Abraham, Bondage, Make reconciliation for the sins of the people, Moses, House, Provocation, and on and on . . . ALL JEWISH.

James . . . To the Twelve Tribes Scattered ... JEWISH!

Peter . . . To the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia . . . ALL JEWISH!

123 John . . . Unto The ELECT Lady ISRAEL . . . JEWISH!

Jude . . . Feasts, Error Of Balaam, Egypt, Moses, Angels, Garment spotted, Last Time, Looking for the Mercy . . . JEWISH!

The Tribulation . . . The Time Of Jacobs TROUBLE!

WHEN did Jacob have TROUBLE?

The 1st 7 years Jacob worked for Leah... the 2nd 7 years Jacob worked for Rachel, whom he loved, that was TROUBLE! The Kingdom promised to Abraham and David will come and The Jews will inherit The Earth!

God is going to KEEP HIS PROMISE!

The woman is the church and the answer if found in Revelation 12

that is the real future of the church. I know many will argue with me, however IF they want to believe the antichrists

in the middle east are the woman, well that is on them. A remnant of them shall come to the Lord at one point.

Zionism is a secular non-religious movement.

King James Bible Jesus speaks to some of the Jews in John 10:23 - 29:And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the JEWS (THE JEWS) round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

"But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you."

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand

Put all your faith and trust in the Lord our rock because everything else is just sinking sand. Verse that I pray everyday is Joshua 1:9. Its give me much peace. Thank you Lord Jesus for all the many blessings seen and unseen.

You have much more experience than I do in all versions of the Bible. I only have King James Bible and KJV Bible commentaries; Dictionary. I knew you have recommended the NAS too. I just thought you'd do better to answer that questioner. I meant no confusion.

Although I have a Dakes, I really only look at the lists or their concordance. I just ordered a new KJV large print concordance so I can see it; which I am very excited to get.

Thank you for getting back with me. I do have another question if

you dont mind me asking ? Its about this system we are dealing with

now. I know I should focus more on God, but I do need information

about what do I do . When they go to a one world currency system,

hope not for a while yet. What do I do as a child of God myself,

but paying rent checks each month . I live in an apartment complex. I

hear we are not supposed to buy things, ect when this comes to pass?

comment by Alex on 2 separate gospels 1 for the Jews and 1 for th Gentiles 1st cor. 12 v 13 for by 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ whether we be jew or gentile, bond or free. ETC. so much for that 2 sepatate gospels doctrine.

Act 16 verse 1 was Greek at that still worship idols if so show.me scripture

I stress understanding of God's Purpose for Creation, because without it, many things in Scripture don't make sense. Why, for example did God create the Jewish Nation? Did God just look around for some group that looked good to Him and selected them to show them love? What about the rest of humanity? Doesn't God love them too? Let me explain. God created the Jews from Abraham for:

1. The Law

2. Christ

The only two reasons for the existence of the Jews, was so Christ could enter into a broken world, deemed wicked by the Law. There is a thread that ties all of the Bible together from front cover to back cover. From before God created anything, God started threading the needle of history with Christ. Christ is that thread that holds all things together. If you take a needle and thread, tie a knot at the end of it and shove it from Genesis 1, page by page, chapter by chapter, book by book, through to Revelation 22, you will see that the thread is Jesus. He was before all things and created all things. God the savior of mankind existed before Adam and Eve fell. God threaded the needle in eternity, before He created time/space. And God started sewing the fabric of history with Jesus from Genesis to Revelation.

When we see that the people of Israel, the Chosen People, were created with a specific Purpose, that Christ would come into the world through them, the rest of the story falls in perspective. Creation is about Christ. The Bible is the story of Christ from before the beginning of time 2 Tim 1:9, Heb 10:5, Matt 1, Rev 22.

The time of the Rapture is really inconsequential. What our focus should be is in that Christ is Coming Back. The Bible is the history of Christ. The Rapture is about His triumphant return to earth.

Hello Greg,

Thank you so much for pointing that out. I see where I could have reworded things a little differently. Please allow me to clarify. I believe you might be referring to this: "During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured."

When I said "during this time," I was referring to the 7-year tribulation period, with the last 3-1/2 being called the "Great Tribulation." And where I said "I have to believe that we have already been raptured," I meant that we will be raptured prior to the beginning of the 7-year period, not that the church has already been raptured.

Again, thank you for pointing this out. And my apologies if I may have caused confusion.

Ann Hering. With respect to the "Mystery", Paul is not the only one to use that expression. In Rev 1:20, 17:5, 7 the Angel reveals a mystery of the end times. In Daniel 2:22, 30, 47 God reveals a mystery. A mystery is something we don't yet know or understand. In Isa 44: God tells us He is going to reveal things that have not happened. See also Amos 3:7.

Sometimes well-intentioned people teach things that seem true, but are wrong. As stated before, the Bible never segregates the Tribulation as an event that will only affect Jews. The New Testament letters were written for the Church, not for the Jews. It is God's message to us who believe, 1 Cor 1. Paul and Peter were adamant about not returning to Judaism, 2 Peter 2:22.

Perhaps Hebrews 6:4, 6, 10:26 can shed some light on this. There remains no Sacrifice for anyone that thinks they can be saved by returning to Judaism. And if that is the case, why would God nullify Christ's ultimate sacrifice on the Cross, to punish the Jews for 7 years? Sacrifices, by Jews or anyone else are worthless. So why would God want to restore them as a means for Salvation in the Tribulation? The doctrine that the Tribulation is for the Jews, absent Christians, is a fabrication that doesn't meet the test of reality. God works within the framework of reality, not fiction.

If you can show where the Bible says the Tribulation is for the Jews, please do. But first, you must deal with Matthew 24:29, 2 Tim 2, which set the stage for every other mention of the 2nd Coming and the Rapture. We know from the mouth of Jesus that He is coming Immediately After the Great Tribulation. It remains to be shown that He is coming before that for a Rapture. But if there is a place in Scripture that says otherwise, please point to it. I can tell you now, you won't find it. Every mention of a Rapture scenario follows the description in Matt 24.

Furthermore, don't believe the lie that some of the books of the NT are for the Jews. They are not.

And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Genesis 6:1-4

The sons of GOD ARE INDEED Angels, this is referenced in Jude as well. So, 1st Enoch may be missing from our translations. GOD YHWH is the ONLY TRUE AND HOLY JUDGE.

Carlos ... Dispensation is a word that God uses.

Paul tells us that there were 2 GOSPELS!

Galatians 2:7

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the UNCIRCUMCISION was committed unto me (Paul), as the gospel of the CIRCUMCISION was unto Peter.

God is "dispensing" GRACE today. Israel's salvation in the past was based on works!

BIG DIFFERENCE!

God hid THE MYSTERY in time past BUT NOW has made known to US through Paul.

Read these VERSES very carefully . . .

Ephesians 3:1-9

For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you GENTILES,

If ye have heard of the DISPENSATION of the GRACE OF GOD which is given me to you-ward:

How that by revelation he made known unto me THE MYSTERY; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST)

Which in other ages was NOT MADE KNOWN unto the sons of God, as it is NOW revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

That the GENTILES should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by THE GOSPEL:

Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the GRACE OF GOD given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is THIS GRACE given, that I should preach among the GENTILES the unsearchable riches of Christ;

And to make ALL MEN SEE what IS the fellowship of THE MYSTERY, which from the beginning of the world hath been HID IN GOD, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

Rapture IS A MYSTERY and saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IS A MYSTERY!

The Word of God is CLEAR on this!

You and I ARE GENTILES, and we had better listen to Paul and get our doctrine from him!

Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David had to DO WORKS (whatever God told them to do) THEN they FOUND GRACE in the eyes of The LORD!

That is NOT how we get SAVED!

The Bible says we don't have to answer foolish or unlearned Questions. Let me say this to Carl Gains. God has never changed his name. He is God. He's God the father, the son being Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. It's the Godhead in one.

God's Name is.. I AM, no matter what else comes after..He is the Great I AM, when He spoke to Jacob, He THE wanted to make sure Jacob knew, He was THE ONE TRUE GOD, but His Name is, I AM, THAT I AM

Adam was in the garden of Eden by himself for (we don't know how many of years) and never was tempted by the fruit on the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Than GOD put Eve in the garden (we don't know for how many years) and neither of them ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was only when GOD put Satan into the garden that Eve was tempted and ate the fruit which has gotten us where we are today.

So my Question is why put Satan in the garden, when the temptation was already there?

Why did GOD change his name?

Hi Jessie , Just a question , If we are already raptured , then why are we still here on earth? There is something I might be missing. Thank you, God bless you.

Remember jesus said it was gonna be like the days of Noah impling a coming not with observation, something that is gonna come from our insides, something sown in our hearts that is gonna initiate this 2 nd coming a rapture, a catching away,like a bride is caught away on her wedding day. Behold th kingdom of GOD IS WITH IN YOU VIA THAT GOOD SEED TH WORD. 27 times th prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains. We don't need to go anywhere we are complete in him,besides there is no oxigen high up in the clouds. Soon the rain was coming down and the ppl were drowned but this 2 nd time its not natural water but spritual water Isaiah said that knowledge shall cover the earth as the waters cover th seas a spritual flood living waters then isaiah mentions the weaned child and the sucking child then isaiah mentions a 2 nd coming, I will set my hand again a 2 nd time to recover THE REME NANT OF my ppl this IS the rapture via seed ( THE CHILDREN ) SHE BROUGHT FORTH A MAN CHILD . Thats y jesus said these things are hid from the wise and prudent ( religious folks ) but revealed unto babes his babes that are spirits, That new born babe Paul is speaking of is the H.G. that desires the sincere milk of the Word . This 2 nd time is the rapture, thats y Isaiah is saying a lil child is gonna lead them i.e a Rapture remember what jesus said unless ya receive the kingdom as a lil child you will in no wise enter there in. Ya gotta realize that this new birth ( THE H.G. ) is the Plumbline that is gonna bring the kingdom to US EVEN WITH IN US.Thats y our new birth via his Seed is so important, that Promise that christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven requires a seed and an intimacy, thus he has to know us.gbu

Amen. An answer based on scripture and not emotions or experiences. Thank you.