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Romans 10:9 If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Father God had raised Jesus from the dead, you will be saved.

Hi Carol, you are allowed to remarry the person should you wish. It is only when your ex had remarried after your divorce, get divorced again, that he MAY NOT marry you. So if there was no other marriage in between, you are allowed to remarry him. If will thus be your free will...Shux who ever does that is a much person than me...I could never !!!!! If you could live with it, it is no problem. Hope it helps Carol. All my Jesus love !!!!

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Hi, I believe that that wad an act of unbelive, that they did not believe Father's Word and serious consequences to disobedience. I dont believe that Father would expect a person to take ones ex-husband back if he had slept with another woman. That person made a bad choice and one has to forgive, but apply ones one free will and not obliged.

Thank you

Jesus reigns

Why Jesus did not make miracles in the presence of Pontius Pilatus and High Jewish religious priests.

Also, When Jesus raised from the Death He should have presented himself to the Roman government who condemned him to be crucified and the Jewish High priest that asked the Government to crucify Jesus. If He showed himself were it counts, the people of planet Earth would have accepted Christianity as their sole religion. The first one to see him was Maria Madeleine and some other unidentified women why?

Here I'm reading 23 psalm and find beneath it the rantings of lunatics.

There is nothing wholesome in the minds of people who use Christian historical writings to reinforce such twisted beliefs.

Go out and do good works to help some of the people you have harmed and feel healthy in the burden lifted from your twisted souls.

That's a lovely poem, Patty, really expressing your special dream. It's such a wonderful sense the Lord gives us, whether we are awake, in sleep, or reading His Word, He adds that special view of the unknown that just lifts us up, especially when we need it the most. Blessings.

Amen. Rev 13:8 and 21:27. All who are written here are sealed & secure.

In the old testament there was the law of God and other laws. The must do to be holy and sanctified. When Christ died on the cross and rise again, we died with Him and rise with Him. When we believe in Christ, we are reborn, God planted His seed in us. The do has disappeared and we are a new Creation in Christ. We don't have to do anything we have liberty in Christ and we can live Christ. Gal 2:20. Our lives is our testimony and our words confirm that. There are several places where Paul stated that we are perfect in Christ. We don't have to do anything anymore save to build a living relationship with Christ.

LOL. Preach it. I'm loving it.

I was doing a whole big study on Lucifer because there's so much schism about it.

But now I think there's too much Bible left in the New Testament alone, that deserves as much comment and explanation to 2020's people. Just today I ran over my favorite dog (spirits) verse, but I lost it again :/ kinda brutal.

Rick, this group speaks of the initial taking away of the Church (the pre-Tribulation escape as they call it in 2020), & then the mid-Trib. Rapture of the remaining Church in 2026. All gobbledegook & not Scriptural based.

I urge you to avoid this sort of stuff as they are just added to the great list of other groups & cults that have attempted to put dates on future biblical events & have failed. Just look at the many attempts by the JWs. The Scriptures urge us to be ready for the Lord's coming, to keep short accounts with Him, & be watchful. There will be world events that will show us that time is getting short (keep your eyes peeled on Israel & Jerusalem), but to put a date & time on these events, is very unwise indeed.

Can't say that I know much about the Dakes Bible (by Finis Dake), though I used to sell it when giving some help in a Christian bookstore in the '80s. Many, particularly pastors, seemed to want it for its many references, though others expressed some concern. Dake was an evangelical Pentecostal minister, though had a chequered history in his earlier years. I actually use Charles C. Ryrie's Study Bible (Dallas Theo. Seminary), which has been a great blessing over my 41 yrs as a believer.

I had to research "Moab". Wikipedia gives a good account of it if for nothing else, to get you started into further research.

Carlos, we're keeping each other busy today, but I do enjoy our exchanging of views.

Apologies, I did mean Gen 4:16 (finger trouble). So, to briefly respond to your questions:

a. Cain & Abel's responsibilities: in their own farm & flocks; v 4 implies that Abel offered from HIS flock, as taking an animal from another flock would amount to stealing, unless permission was given.

b. Cain feared for his life: it could be he was talking about the future when in the passage of time, these others would seek out his life.

c. No idea who Nod was, just know it as shown in v 16. One can assume that the city was not the only one, or maybe it was the only one at that time.

d. Satan's accepting God's limits on him. 1:12 "all that he HATH" & 2:5,6 "upon his BODY". Life & death are the prerogative of God alone ( Deut 32:39; 1 Sam 2:6), that even Satan can't intrude into. That Satan was limited only to Job's possessions, & later, to affecting his body, was God's limit to the extent of influence upon Job. Whether Satan would have attempted to take Job's life as well, though would be unsuccessful, is arguable, but for the declaration by God to not go that far or to attempt to go that far.

e. Lk 22:31: not "asked" but "desired" to sift you as wheat. That's Satan's prerogative: to do as he wishes with us, except for the bounds set by God. I sometimes wonder what would be our state on Earth, if Satan had unlimited access to our lives.

f. Satan asking permission to go after Peter. He didn't ask for permission. To go after Adam. Again, no permission asked for. About the demoniac: to go into swine. Yes, permission was asked for, they're in subjection/limited ( Lk 10:17). I couldn't get the gist of the remaining part of your comment on Job 38, as to the connection to Permission, since God was speaking to Job about His Greatness & Power. Of course, if Satan indeed asked permission against Adam & Peter, then I could understand from where you're coming.

That was very sweet to let us read that. Tell it to all the Lord will show To you.

There is still beauty when life hurts.

LET US discuss the Falling Away of the Church.

Discuss what is the 2ND DEATH?

Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Lots of WOES in that chapter. Better stay away from that ...

Only Father God knows the time. Jesus doesn't know it.

The Bride of Christ is male, female, young, old, children; Born again deceased, pre-born.

Don't buy any of their books...

There are seducing spirits. ...having done all, to stand.

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Rom 5:14: "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression". I understand this from v 13: "For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law." Sin is not imputed without the Law given, so those who didn't have the Law (see Rom 2:14) were regarded as "not sinning after the similitude of Adam's transgression", as Adam's sin too was apart from the Law. If God imputes transgressions to Adam or any who are outside the Law, then it's because the burden of the law was already in their hearts & applied in their societies. So the Law couldn't condemn them, but what was in their hearts & evidence of the transmitted sin nature, did. And, yes, Noah & his family were saved from total destruction, but sadly, they brought along the sin nature of Adam which couldn't be annihilated in that Flood.

And to the other examples of 'doctrinal myths' & our other beliefs: are they supported by Scripture, or should we accept that there is no Scriptural support & plead ignorance? So, the view of the Nephillim: unclear; Angels procreate, gender, species: No; Angels can cross species: evidence in the Bible is there, only by God's doing; the 'Day' in Genesis: easy for us to apply it to our Day, but God knows the period of time it involved. Yes, we would like to know all these answers, & it would be glib for us to say, 'when we get to Heaven these will be answered', but for now, if the Word doesn't give us the specifics, then we have to also remain unhappily unenlightened.

I would think that all angels are created beings; not human.

We're created in God's image and likeness. The Godhead was all Spirit at that time.

Anybody?

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Carlos, I searched for my specific comment ("Christians are not afraid to examine and allow that there are parts of the Garden story that are not literal.") & couldn't find it, unless you were referring to my recent reference: "there are somethings to be taken literally & others, not." If this is the one, then my apologies for being vague but I was referring to all of Scripture & not just the Creation account. So what I'm saying is that there are Scriptures that are clearly (to me) literal or non-literal in meaning, & I believe that the Creation account is to be taken literally. If there are other things added to it as a result from our 'in depth calculations', even if it helps in understanding how certain future events must happen, this is where I would rather 'err on the side of caution' & not consider those things, than to treat them as 'likely factual', & so mistreat God's Word.

As well, I did use the word "if", when saying, "if it (Creation account) should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified, or at least, reinterpreted to conform to it." In other words, anyone who does not take it literally, would have to reinterpret other Scriptures to conform to the original interpretation. So I can't address your other questions because of this misunderstanding.

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I've been looking at the Dakes bible tonight. Found a lot of comment about pre-Adamic world. Gotta go get a page enlarger so I can read!

Saw a lot of comment on Antichrist; with scripture. Will be tedious to read all that.

Where is exactly the boundaries of Moab?

I only read the comments with scriptures. What do you think about the Dakes?

TO: Scott - Good on ya brother! May the Holy Ghost grant you the wisdom and knowledge that you seek!

Thank you Mr. Hilt. That is what I was thinking, but couldn't remember exactly what The Word of God said, or where to find it. I do so appreciate your help!

I have recently heard of the,... "Escape of the Bride". Which supposedly will happen on May 31, 2020. Is this true? Can you explain this to me? How is this different from the Rapture?

Thank you, God bless!

Chris and all, You mean Gen 4. Questions: According to the Genesis account, there were only 4 people on the Earth when Cain killed Abel. So, who was Abel keeping flocks for? 4 people? And who was Cain farming for?

In 4:13 Cain says, "I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and WHOEVER finds me will kill me." Who is he referring to if there were no other people alive at the time? In 4:15, "The Lord put a mark on Cain so no one who found him would kill him." The Land of Nod was named after Nod. Who was Nod? In that land, Cain found a wife and had children and built a city. Is it fair to assume his was not the only city?

On Job 1:12, we see how God instructs Satan on what he is to do to Job. It is clear from Satan's response that he did not have the authority to do as he pleased. If he did, why would he accept the limits God placed on Him? Why did he even show up to God? Did he just want to have a nice chat over Tortillas and Enchiladas? What did Jesus say to Peter, Lk 22:31, "Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift each of you like wheat. But I have prayed for you, Simon, that your faith will not fail."

Did Satan ask to ruin God's creation? if not, why would he ask permission to go after Peter? Did he ask permission to go after Adam and Eve? When Jesus cast the demons out of a demented man, what happened? They asked Christ for permission to enter the pigs, Lk 8. See Job 38:33-35, "Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God's e dominion over the earth? Do you send the lightning bolts on their way?

Do they report to you, 'Here we are'?"

Praise God & Amen!!!

Where in the Bible is the statement " In End Times Good will become evil and Evil will become good"?

With all do respect, never is there a need to learn the Greek or Hebrew in order to understand the Bible. The King James Bible IS "the literal translation." Anybody who tries to change the precious words of God is deceived into making themselves the final authority as opposed to the Bible/God the final authority.

Answer:

How does one come to have faith in Christ? By hearing. What must one hear in order to have faith in Christ? The word of God. When one hears the Gospel of Christ and believes it, they have faith.

We have the Bible, they had writings, prophets, and the apostles went out to preach as well.

V 17 is what youre asking about. The second half of this chapter is filled with rhetorical questions that Paul ends up answering. He is making a case against Israel not having faith and why the gospel has been committed to the Gentiles.

Chris and all, you mentioned in a previous post that Christians are not afraid to examine and allow that there are parts of the Garden story that are not literal. Yet, in your comments, you express that fear. You say, "if it should not be taken literally (& remembering, all of Scripture hangs on these facts), then almost all subsequent Scripture would have to be modified". Are you saying you're afraid neatly packaged doctrines might be wrong? But should that be the basis for Biblical Hermeneutics? Do we start from 'How we think it was' and backwards to the Bible? Or do we start with the Bible, to determine what we should know?

As for those that didn't sin in the manner of Adam, that didn't last long. Paul says they too were imputed with sin. Not only that, wasn't everything destroyed with Noah?

Could one of our doctrinal myths have to do with the notion the Nephillim were offspring of Angels (Sons of God) and natural women (Daughters of Men)? Can Angels procreate? Are Angels male or female? Are Angels the same Species as Humans? Can Angels cross Species? Doesn't Paul say there are earthly bodies and there are Heavenly bodies and each has its own separate substance?

And would another be the insistence that "Day" in Genesis has to be a 24 hours Day? But what negative impact do you think these things would have on the trustworthiness and legitimacy of Scripture?