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Hi Jesse

Thank you for your reply, I hoped it would be after the rapture . The book of Revelation has been on my mind lately in the light of all that's taking place in the world today.

Glad you asked, Chris. 1. There are many things we don't know, but we know this. God took away their immortality. "The Punishment for eating the fruit," God told Adam, "will be death. You will no longer live forever." Adam and Eve ate the figurative fruit by participating in and associating with people and Angels God told them to stay away from. Let me add another twist here.

Were Adam and Eve the only people alive at the time of their infraction? Was Lucifer the only Angel in Heaven when he became corrupt? Don't pull all your hair out or tear up your jacket. I am tempted to explain, but I won't. I'll let you steam in your chair for a while.

2. OK.

3. Maybe I misunderstood what Gen 2:9, Songs 2, Revelation 12:9, Lk 10:18, Isa 14, Ez 28:13, 17, Eze 31. The images presented in these verses are of the devil being banished to the earth and more specifically the Garden of Eden. The imagery of Ezk 31 compares the Tree of KGE with Satan. But let me change my position a little. Perhaps, as you pointed out, the Tree was a real tree. However, it represented Satan's corruption. My thinking is the Tree represented Satan's Kingdom, his realm, where he ruled with the other fallen Angels. I am expanding on the imagery. Trees in the Bible are used, as I previously mentioned, to connote empires, governments, great leaders. Because of the nature of the 2 Trees in the Garden, I think the same applies. I think Songs 2 reflects what happened in Eden.

I disagree that anyone or anything can interfere with God's Plan. He is God and His Will stands. You say Satan successfully ruined God's perfect creation, but I don't see that in the Bible. Just the opposite. What can separate us from God? Nothing, Rom 8:35f. Our confidence is that nothing can ruin God's Plan. If a created, being can ruin what God does, we are in big trouble, Dan 4:35, Isa 14:24-27, 2 Chron 20:6 Isa 43:13, "Even from eternity I am He, and none can deliver out of My hand. When I act, who can reverse it?"

Matthew 5:38-42 is the correct understanding of revenge and this is important. Jesus said in Matthew 5:38 you have heard about eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth?

That's found in Exodus 21:24. This law was actually given for restraint. In other words you are only allowed by law that if the man injures your eye, you can only injure his eye, because the desire was that if you injure my eye, you die!

So it was actually restrictive. And Jesus said, and He is actually bringing in a correction. He says, but I say to you, to resist not evil, and whosoever should smite you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. If he takes your coat, let him have your cloak too.



They were only allowed to take your inner coat. They couldn't take your outer coat. Jesus said if they take you to court and they want you inner coat, give them the outer one too.

Hi Shannon, I believe that you have thirst for Truth. Perhaps my answer will trigger more questions than answers but this is a healthy sign actually. Answering Gen 1:27. This is a very common mistake that people make that they think that the creation in Eve in Chapter 2 happening outside of the original 6 days of creation. But in reality if you notice there is a pattern that God is working with. 1st day is corresponding to the 4th day, 5th day is furtherance of 2nd day and the 3rd day is further improved on in 6th day. It would be safe to say that each of these corresponding days match each other with relevant creation. For example God created light in the first day and then made sources of light.

Same way Chapter 2 is actually the partial details of 3rd and 6th day. Gen 1:27 nowhere says how did God create them i.e out of dust, plants, or magic. Then Gen 2:7 then clarifies how did God created the man and women mentioned in Gen 1:27. Genesis Chapter 2 is actually details of creation of 6th day and not outside the original creation.

The legend of Lilith is actually part of Plan of prince of the air. He always introduces confusion and alternative stance to confuse. That is why Word of God titles him as father of lies and confusion. Paul clearly says that our fight is not of blood and flesh in Eph. 6:12. This confusion is part of the battle.

Robert,

Thank you so much for taking time to put all that together. That is a whole lot to chew on, and I did read it all. First, I want to make myself clear. I never said that Matthew was written only for Jews. I said Matthew wrote his gospel to the Jews. And yes, I agree that the entire bible is written to learn from. It's all God's word. I would not dare discard any of the books, as I find value in every book. I just wanted to clarify that. I don't want people thinking that I am saying that certain parts of the bible are not important. People should hold the entire bible dear to their hearts.

I think a lot of misunderstanding of the prophecies of the last days is based upon combining Luke's account with Matthew's and Mark's account as if they are the same message. But they're not. It sounds like you spent a whole lot of time (years maybe?) on just the rapture alone. I would have to assume that there are some who once believed in a post-trib and have changed their minds after spending years in careful study alike? I definitely appreciate your response and the time you put into it. However, I am still Pre-Trib.

I do have a couple questions if you don't mind. How are you 100% certain that Paul wrote the book of Hebrews? And when Jesus said "This generation shall not pass until all these things be fulfilled," do you take that word generation as being applied to a number of years, or a race of people? You've shared some Greek words, and I appeciate that. Do you read Greek?

the sun is moving it is not stagnant

Maggie,

I would say that this is after the rapture of the church because I believe in a Pre-Tribulation rapture. The miracles being performed in Verse 14 are being performed by the false prophet in order to deceive those who are on the earth at that time. You have to keep in mind that these people are not saved. They were told not to take the mark of the beast. There were two witnesses warning the people, there were 144,000 Jews who were evangelizing, and there was an angel flying around in mid-heaven for 3-1/2 years warning people not to be deceived into taking the mark. So now they are stuck with a choice, they either heed to the warning to receive Christ and not take the mark, or take the mark, which would forfeit any chance of salvation. But those miracles are definitely going to deceive many at that time. It won't be the church. During this time, I see no mention of the church being on the earth, so I have to believe that we have already been raptured. I'm probably going to be criticized for this belief, but that's my understanding.

1 Corinthians 10:32

Paul is telling us that God does not want us to take offense in what others are doing in other that we be able to apply love and tolerance towards winning them to the appropriate way of God.

Paul is telling us that God does not want us to take offense in what others are doing in other that we be able to apply love and tolerance towards winning them to the appropriate way of God.

Helena

Your're honesty is appreciated.

That was Old Testament Law, or the Law of Moses, and has no impact today.

That was a different time and the mind set of women back then were not of the mind set of women today.

I'm puzzled at Revelation 13

Does this take place after the rapture or before?

And I would like to understand verse 14.

Matthew 22:41-46 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

( Mark 12:36) For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

The Godhead set forth:

David himself said by the Holy Ghost (Holy Ghost, member of the Godhead)

LORD, is God the Father (member of the Godhead)

said unto my Lord, is Jesus Christ, David's Lord. (member of the Godhead)

So, God the Father said unto David's Lord Jesus Christ, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This would have been the first time these Sanhedrins would have heard of God being present as 3 separate personages.



Now they were beholding God speaking in His Son, Jesus Christ.

The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are One God but three separate personages.

Why would you say it's a waste of time to baptize others when there are so many verses in the KJV that say you need to be baptized. Even Jesus said you needed to be born of the water to enter Heaven.

Steve - I believe the church mentioned is also the tabernacle, aka tent, which the Israelites had during their exodus from Egypt - not a building as we see today.

How do we use the weapon Jesus have giving us to fight with.

comments by Alex on John 3 Ye must be bornagain in order to enter the Kingdom he told Nic.a Jew A TEACHER OF THE LAW.What the law cd not do in that it was weak thru the flesh God had to send his Son in the form of sinful flesh to condemn sin in the Flesh ( humanity ) none righteous no not one,the law cd not make mankind righteous sorry. Simply b/c mans adamic nature,our CARNAL MINDS cd not interface with the law, David comes to mind and David was a man after GODS OWN HEART. We all carry the stain and the spot of adam, In sin did my mother conceive me. not 1 single person cd escape the curse of adam's sin it was passed on to all men TO ALL MEN NO EXCEPTIONS,Thus the blood of Christ that 2 nd adam has to be passed on to ALL MEN NO EXCEPTIONS, Thats y he said if i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN UNTO ME. Jerimiah saw ALL MEN in travail and birth pains thats what the new covenant is a birthing covenant which is the book in the right hand of the father th contents of that book are the words of life,th seeds of the sower my words are spirit and LIFE thats y they sang a new song after the book was opened simply b/c the book is the new covenant THAT IS GONNA INITIATE A BIRTH of Christ in us. After the book is opened then the woman ( the church humanity ) goes into birth pains.Thats when John said NOW is come salvation and the Kingdom of our God and his Christ th Christ being the baby th H.G..We are the woman that births the Child via that good seed th Words of the new covenant, Being bornagain of an incorruptible seed even by th Words of GOD. When Isaiah saw the KINGDOM COMING he said unto us a Child is born,Jesus said unless you receive th kingdom as a lil child, HE WAS IMPLING A HEAVENLY BIRTH VIA HEAVENLY SEED. OK GBU

My wife and I, from the very beginning of our marriage, 32 years ago, made the Lord the foundation of our marriage. We have not been difficulty free all these years and what compounds our lives is; my wife has a twin sister and she is not a believer. She has tried at times to come between my wife and I however, my wife is a strong Christian woman that put her sister in her place! My definition of "family is; you, your spouse, and your children. Everyone else is "extra!" My wife and I are very happy. We love Jesus, we attend church regularly, we love each other, and we have a solid marriage thanks to the Holy Spirit. None of my wife's family go to church nor do any of them believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as savior. We finally moved away from both our extended family and are doing well. Never let Satan drive a wedge in between you or your spouse via anyone or anything! Be obedient to His word and always keep Him nuber one in your life. You wife should be #2 and children #3. God bless....

Good Morning Chris. The word ekklesia that we use in the New Testament and put the word CHURCH in our English Bibles also means ASSEMBLY or CONGREGATION as you can see below. It would have been better translated as assembly or congregation which is what the people of God in the old Testament were always called.

G1577

ekklesia

ek-klay-see'-ah

From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.

Total KJV occurrences: 115

did not the gospel already go to Israel already and first at that?

Act 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

The gospel was originally preached to Adam and Eve. This is called the Protoevangelium in theology.

Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

God elected or CALLED Abraham and his descendents to be the preachers but they failed during the time of Christ and God gave the kingdom to another nation- a heathen pagan Gentile nation. No one will answer me on what they think this verse means below after Jesus gives the 7 woes against the Pharisees and Jerusalem. These passages were NEVER taught by any of the famous pre-trib teachers I sat under

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mat 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

G1484 (greek for NATION)

ethnos

Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usuall

Thank you, Jesse. I appreciate your humility and Christ-like response. But there is no need for apologies. We all have regrets. We all change our minds. And we all defend our positions with fervor. That doesn't mean we don't have open minds. Most of Philosophy and Theology, and they are inseparably tied together, involves an exchange of ideas, controversy, intellectual frustration, research and regrets. I have come to believe that none of us has the whole truth, aside from the fact that Christ is Truth. But, for whatever reason, as someone explained before, in response to my question about so many denominations, it is like with the Tower of Babel. God confused their languages and dispersed them.

We all have different points of view. Good thing is that a Forum like this one gives us a chance to discuss and compare. Our views may either strengthen or change. Some Christians worship on Saturday. Some Baptize by immersion. Some believe in transubstantiation. Others believe in Free Will and some don't even believe there will be a Tribulation or Rapture. And they all get that from the same Book. So, in my opinion, no one has a lock on the whole truth. God has given each one of us a little bit, so we don't get puffed up with pride.

I just hope those reading and responding to my posts are not offended by anything I say, unless it is to drive them to the Scriptures that draw them closer to Jesus. Everything, Everything is about Jesus. We think it is about us, but it is about Jesus. He is the one who went to the Cross, suffered a grueling death, defeated death and now sits with the Father until it is time for Him to return to gather us up with Him for all eternity. We should not try to focus the attention on us, our comfort, our enjoyment, and the good life we are promised in Heaven. We must focus on the Victorious, Resurrected Christ who is God. Thank you.

1 And it came to pass, that on one of those days, as he taught the people in the temple, and preached the gospel, the chief priests and the scribes came upon him with the elders,

Note: there is a group of people that quietly listen to JESUS preached the gospel thereby souls would receive SALVATION. Also there is a group of the leaders, see 19 and 20, sneakingly wanting to silence JESUS thereby souls would be loss. 2020 we can shout thank to GOD that the POWER of HIS WORD was never stop thereby it reached us and we can be SAVED from the lake of fire, see John 3:16-21 as it relates BECOMING SAVED.

Jesse your points well taken and I feel the same exact way on preachers on TV. TV is filth and then for a couple of hours on Sunday they allow Jesus to be preached? I do not think so. Especially the big names on the airwaves are the ones I trust the least. Many churches are state incorporated 501 C 3 IRS approved tax exempt businesses, esp the larger denominations. They must agree to never teach against "public policy" to keep their tax exempt status. Things like legal abortion, sodomite marriage, etc you get the idea. So basically many churches are actually state chartered corporations with the name "church" in there somewhere. You can look this up with the Department of state (your states) division of corporations or businesses.

Demons can't taunt you without Gods permission. Cast them away as far as the east is from the west. My spirit feels you are into witchcraft, tarot cards, the stars. Stop the sin and dig deep into the word, ask forgiveness, never mess with evil again, it will attack again, resist the devil and he will flee. Only God knows the future. Your current path leaves you open to death, repent and be saved, wash in the Holy Spirit Magdalena. Find Cristians to surround you. Draw them in and ask angels

These were the laws given to Moses for the Jews before Christ, although Jesus did say these laws were good, and didn't come to take them away but fulfill them, they shows us God , but Christ gave us the new laws to love thy Lord your God with all your heart,all your soul, and all your mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus is our passover Lamb if we believe in Him and that God the Father sent him , repent of our ways we shall die but live

I wrote back but I shifted position and lost

it :(

I'm free tomorrow so I'll try to remember what I said lol. Main thing is the Holy Spirit has said that what's going on over there is between Jesus and the nation of Israel. I don't get a vote. God bless you.

Jeffrey, sometimes Israel is referred to as Jeshurun. Apparently, used affectionately with poetic connotation. (see also references to this name in Deut 33:5, 26; Isa 44:2).

The message in the passage you referred to, is that God has cared for His children, Israel, right from their beginning, feeding them the best of the earth had to offer. But they committed spiritual adultery & turned aside from the Lord, & so they are thus described in v15 (that they became lazy & insensitive to the things of God & turned to the gods of the nations).

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Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

So; I would say that God created the family; and therefore, if anything takes from that, it is wrong even if it is considered a christian thing to do. If anything, including a christian religion; takes from the family; it therefore seems to me to be a cult; and therefore I would caution christians to consider and be aware of such matters.

Hard truth! where it is said an eye for an eye who spoke these words in the bible?

God Bless You

And thank you for my daily Scripture

Carlos, I realize that you didn't mean every part of the Creation account, but if allegory/metaphor principles are applied, one has to have good Scriptural proof that that is how it was intended to mean. And to the Scriptures you've given in the past on this aspect, I really can't make the connection.

Even the 7th Day, Rest of God. I've heard others talk about it, but again, where is the connection between God resting after all His Works & the period of time that we are in. Of course, Hebrews speaks about the "rest to the people of God", but this has nothing to do with the 7th day. Maybe, you could give me specific Scriptures to support that.

"Science tells us, with a high degree of certainty". Science, if it deals with laws or data that are observable & through experiment, is fine by me. But when a Scientist tells me the age of the Universe, or about the origin of its heavenly bodies, & yet (for many of them) are unable to tell me correctly where they have come from & to where their destination will be, I say, I would rather believe in the Bible & to what God has revealed to us (however, limited that revelation may be). If you feel that is unfair to the 'Scientists', the point I'm making is that their knowledge of the unknown is severely limited by their own calculations, surmises & research into other peoples' works. It may be that the Earth is such & such years old, & even their calculations may be better than mine (if I would dare attempt it), I would rather see them speak about what they know for fact rather than fill gullible minds with erroneous drivel.

So, if there are non-literal/allegorical aspects in the Creation account, where does allegory start & literal begin? Who decides between the two? If it's clearly seen in Scripture, then which Scripture, & if one who doesn't believe in allegorizing parts of Genesis, can he be suitably convinced after studying the given Scriptural proofs?

Matthew 12:36

How does that pan out if you are typing erroneous comments? Just curious...