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Genesis 2:2-3 , Ezekiel 46:1, Mark 1:21, Mark 6:2, Luke 4:16, Luke 4:31, Luke 6:1, Luke 13:10,

Isaiah 58:1-14, Exodus 20:8, Exodus 20:10-11,

Exodus 31:13,14,16, Leviticus 16:31, Leviticus 19:3, Leviticus 19:30, Leviticus 23:1-8, Leviticus 24:8, Leviticus 25:2, Leviticus 25:4, Leviticus 25:17, Jeremiah 17:19-27, Lamentations 1:1-7, Isaiah 1:11-17, Isaiah 56:1-8, Ezekiel 20:12, Ezekiel 22:26,

Amos 8:4-8, Mark 2:27,

Matthew 12:8, Matthew 12:1-27, Mark 3:1-11, Luke 6:6-11, Luke 13:11-17, Luke 14:3-6, Luke 14:12-24, Luke 23:3-56, John 5:1-16, John 7:22-24,

Colossians 2:8-17,

James 2:1-26

Precious friend, Since JESUS Is our 'Reality' Of REST, we can now do that 24/7. Thus no need to get 'entangled in the legalism' of "keeping (the 'shadow' of) the sabbath." As Paul Clearly Teaches us, from God:

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ." Colossians 2:16-17

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We Now "fulfill All the law, In ONE WORD: LOVE thy neighbor as thyself" Galatians 5:14 Romans 13:8-10

Please Be Richly Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, and Edified!

2 Timothy 2:15 Romans 16:25 Ephesians 3:9 = Grace/Mystery fellowship {Romans - Philemon}, For ALL "to SEE," today,?

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

Hi Margarita.

Perhaps a few verses would be a start.

Hopefully others can help.

Proverbs 1:10-15.

1 John 5:3.

1 Timothy 4:1-2.

James 4:7.

1 Peter 5:7-8.

Ephesians 6:10-18.

Colossians 2:6-8 .

1 John 2:15-16.

I hope this helps.

God bless you

Precious friend, Scripture is NOT in "Great Error"

1 Corinthians 1:17

Paul Was NOT Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?:

Today: 'Only ONE' Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION, Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!! ( Ephesians 4:5 ) ( Colossians 2:12 ) ( Galatians 3:27 ) ( Romans 6:3-4 ) ( 1 Corinthians 12:13 )

Just to Be DOUBLY Sure Of God's WORD Of Truth!:

Paul, Inspired Of God, wrote:

"For Christ sent me NOT to baptize, but to preach The Gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest The Cross of Christ should be made of none effect." 1 Corinthians 1:17

God's 'Simple' Will: Link

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

1 Corinthians 12:1-31 explains all the gifts, titled, administrations that God gives to the Church that Jesus has planted on earth Now.

Those that He calls, he anoints for the work. Luke 4:18. The Bible says the gifts and callings are without revocation. If we try to operate without the Holy Spirits anointing; we will not bear good fruit. Can even become apostate.

It's not something to treat carelessly. The Head of the Church is Jesus Christ. All parts of the Body are connected to Jesus.

Jesus is High Priest, sitting at the right hand of God the Father in heaven now. He ministered (on earth) in all offices of Prophet, Teacher, The Good Shepherd (pastor) and Evangelist.

An Apostle is one who has seen the risen Christ. And who operates in all 5 offices of ministry. All of Jesus's Disciples (except Judas Iscariot), became Apostles. Who are Church planters. I think missionaries most qualify as Apostles. (My opinion)

Most important church people: are the praise and worship leaders. "Enter His Courts with Praise."

Fanita,

For me, being in Christ Jesus would mean that I have received Him into my life as my Lord and Savior. He is in me and I am in Him and nothing can separate me from Him. Jesus said in John 14:20, "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye (in me), and I in you. So Jesus is making a connection for us here.

In Colossians 2:9, Paul says "For in Him, (in Christ), dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily" or in bodily form. When we receive Christ, and we are born of His Spirit, we have the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit living inside of us. Not part of Him, all of Him. You know how long it is going to last? Forever!

We have to understand that we have a spirit. And when God's Spirit comes into our spirit, we become one, never to be undone. His Spirit is in our spirit. And when we die, when our spirit leaves our body, He's taking us. His Spirit and our spirit will never be separate from now, throughout eternity!

So this is what it means to me to be in Christ Jesus. I am in Him, and He is in me.

Hi Alex; After reading what you wrote I agree that there is a spiritual Israel, the Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 2:29 all Christians are circumcised in their hearts and are Jews, meaning all people regardless of color or nationality, male or female, we are now the heirs of the promises of Abraham. Galatians 3:29 However, I do not agree that God has or ever will have a grandson, The Holy Ghost is God in the doctrine of the godhead Colossians 2:9 and all Christians are his children, not his grand children.

Matthew 5:17-18 "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Luke 16:16-17 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail."

Colossians 2:13-15 "Blotting out the of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

* Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE."

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

All working together. Jesus came to show us the Father, as Emmanuel.

Matthew 1:23

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God WITH US. [Jesus]

{Comment} Jesus came to bring to each born again believer; the baptism and the in-dwelling of the Holy Spirit.

[ Genesis 1:2, John 3:6, Acts 2:1-3, John 16: 7-15]

Upon being born again, Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to us. Teach us scripture, comfort us, convict us of sin, enable us to be witnesses. Stay in the New Testament at first. Learn fully who the Son of Man is (Jesus).

Your friend might get a better picture of what is coming to the earth, by watching this high tech kinda wild movie on what the end times will look like. It helps to read the Book of Revelation in the Bible.

Lots of people can't get a point of reference on Revelation. It seems mystical but it isn't. It going to fit perfectly into our society.

This movie is chopped up into about 10 videos. To see how earth ends and begins again, watch the one titled, the "Millennium."

See it on YouTube. It's about 1:44 mins long.

Tell friends about it too. Very little dialog, but scripture references are shown.

(The videos put out by Lion of the Tribe of Judah; don't get it mixed up with the Revelation Station videos)

John 11:55, Mark 14:12, John 6:4, Luke 22:1,

John 12:1,12,13, John 13:1-2,

Matthew 27:15,

1st Sabbath being the Passover feast.

Exodus 12,

2nd Sabbath Matthew 28:1,

Psalms 81:3, also significant Mark 15:33, total solar Eclipse, New moon?

We should be careful not to follow after traditions set up by men, but Study to understand. Colossians 2:8, Matthew 15:3, Mark 7:9

Why would Jesus rebuke them over tradition? Because even today it causes doubt, & confusion amongst the church.

Hopefully these scriptures are helpful. GOD's WORD is truth.

Tradition is not 100% reliable.

Amen. Thank you Rick.

Chris This is the reason that everywhere Paul preached followers of the circumcision or the jews would

come after him and talk people out of the grace. The leaders of the law wanted Paul dead.

Chris When we get either caught up or tied down to legalism mentally we cannot walk in freedom in

Christ Jesus Spiritually. If God new it wasn't good enough to get the inside job done why should we



believe otherwise. This is what Paul fought constantly because of unbelief, this guy many times in the

church epistles said Phil. 4:9, I am your example follow after me as I am of Christ!

Amen Rick, well written. Yet, the matter of "the cross removing the curse of the law" & "after being born again start with a clean slate", might have bearing on what a believer should do when confronted with the Law in the Bible. Most will 'play safe' & want to obey the Law because it's in the Word after all, & the right thing to do before God. But the Scriptures tell us in Galatians 3:10,13, that the Law which is Holy from God, now becomes a curse to those still under it or those who put themselves there. And that Christ has redeemed us from that curse & by extension, has set us free ( Galatians 5:1).

Maybe, folk haven't thought it through when they say, 'I obey the Ten Commandments' or, "I follow God's Laws". I can understand what they mean, but theologically, it's a dangerous statement, because one cannot be "in Christ" & "under the Law" simultaneously. It's one or the other. If bound to the Law, judgement comes from that position. If bound to Christ, the Law & its curse are removed, we're set free, & we're led in newness of life in obedience & maturing by the Spirit.

Chris This statement blotting out the handwriting of ordinances refers to where in the old testament when a

person went into debt to another individual or declared bankruptcy it was posted on the gates of the city and

made public for all to see. Now if a friend would come by and would look at the note and go and pay the debt

then the note was folded over so people knew the debt was paid in full.

Jesus Christ blotted out by his sacrifice of himself all our past present and future mistakes nailing them

to the cross thereby removing the curse of the law. Basically all after being born again start with a clean slate

so to speak. Our debt or so to speak sin paid in full.

Hello Rick. That's interesting that you mention Colossians 2:16-20. In the sermon this morning, I was directed to Colossians 2:12-15 - verses just before the ones you gave. It came as a confirmation of what the New Covenant in Christ's Blood accomplished: "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross". The Law as given was truly "holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good", but it failed to make a man righteous, rather to point him to his inability to keep it & his need of a Saviour.

Galatians 3:19-23: "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed."

And this faith that leads to salvation came after the work at the Cross was accomplished & the Holy Spirit was sent to give those earnestly seeking forgiveness, giving to them God's Grace & Faith to believe ( Ephesians 2:8). The Sabbath might be holy but if the Jewish rigidity of obedience is ascribed to it by Christians under the Blood, then both it & the whole Law nullifies one of the core accomplishments of the Cross: liberty to walk & obey in the Spirit & not by the letter.

Rick, I agree. No one can does 400 laws perfectly. We walk by the Spirit and obey in love in each circumstance we find ourselves in day by day. The Spirit shows us ow to fulfill the spirit of the law, which is a righteousness that exceeds that of the Pharisees, in this sense. And ultimately, as we have been given the righteousness of Christ our "garment" our/His righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees to the ultimately perfect degree, in this sense.

We are saved by faith, because of the shed blood of Jesus. However, Jesus told us that God's law will stand till heaven and earth pass. The law in Col 2 is the handwritten Moses' law not the !0 Commandments, finger-written by God.

If we sin, we need to repent. What is sin? 1 John 3vs 4 ' sin is the transgression of the law.' So, clearly, Jesus expects us to obey the law. It is written in our hearts but still can be over-ruled by us. Besides, what exactly does 'written in our hearts 'mean? Let us not be confused with trying to convert old Greek understandings exactly into modern English.We still have freewill and are not automatons obeying the Lord because of His presence within us. How can there be any disagreement between the written law and the law in our hearts? Jesus Christ is the same 'yesterday, today and forever' and Hebrews 13:8 'I am the Lord, I change not."( Malachi 3:6). What does being saved mean? To verbally accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour without complete submission to Him as Lord is worthless-- Rev 3:16.

We can lose our salvation. see, eg. Matt 24:13-'but he that shall endure to the end shall be saved' and Rev 3:11.

This issue is really important and often confusing. We are saved so we won't sin and will develop characters fit for heaven. God does not ever want any more disobedience. We must understand that His ways are perfect and we must obey.

Are you ready for His return? Let's look at the characteristics of his faithful followers at that time. Revelation 14:12-

'They keep the COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.' Note further Rev 22:14-

'Blessed are they that DO HIS COMMANDMENTS, that they may have RIGHT to the tree of life and may enter into the city.'

Note that it says HIS commandments, not somebody else's. Jesus does not separate Himself from His law.

'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. The Bible also tells us in Psalm 119 vs 142 'Thy law is Truth.'

1 John 2:4- we are liars if not keeping commandments.

Amen!!

Well said Brother Rick.

God bless.

Hi William If there teaching the law doesn't count period that's not realty because when we walk by the spirit

we complete the law because we walk on the Highest law the law of Love. Therefore completing Math:22:37-40.

I'll guarantee you that no christian can walk by all the over 400 laws in the old testament the idea is NOT TO

INTENTIONALLY BREAK GODS COMMANDMENTS which if you endeavor to walk by the spirit to love God first you

won't be purposely breaking His Commandments.

Hi William, I understand what you are getting at. Jesus and Paul always said that the Law is good and holy. We should think of it that way, too. Like David, believers should love the commandments of God. To us they are a guide and a check, they are helpful to us in these ways. We no longer will receive the curse of breaking the Law, because of Christ's we redemptive work for us. As Christians we should not have animus against the Law; it shows us how righteous God is. Instead we should have animus against sin and all evil, hating it enough to want to be rid of it in us every time we are convinced of it in us by the Spirit. This animus should press us to confess and repent.

We here all know that we cannot have victory over sin without God's power and righteousness given to us at conversion.

So, we are not obeying the commands of God to earn our salvation. We already have it. We obey His commands because we are now righteous in Christ.

i see no conflict with a believer abiding by the 10 commandments. Like you said, Jesus said we are to obey His commandments. I do have a problem with a believer living a lifestyle of disobedience of these commandments, because it shows that they do not love God or desire to imitate Christ.

Hi Brother William,

Amen. You are speaking truth. Many so called christians today do not want to be submissive and obedient to God. They twist/divide/manipulate/ignore bible scripture in such a way, that they fool themselves, and even worse, bring down many others. They are convinced that they can live their worldly sinful lives and still achieve salvation.

You rightly listed one of the most powerful little verses spoken by Jesus in the entire bible: John 14:15 If we love Jesus we will keep his commandments.

Many people are so blinded, they feel justified in outright ignoring this scripture! Well I believe that Jesus will also be justified in ignoring them! And he tell us that he will - in this easy to understand scripture here:

Matthew 7:22-23

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If we continue to follow Jesus, love him, and keep his commandments we will always have a lighted path, and he will know us!

God Bless.

Hi Chris This is what Paul dealt with all the time because he understood the age of Grace also completed

all the law because the law of Love in Christ it agapeo is above the Written law given to Israel to get them to

taste Gods Original Intent Mathew 22:36-40

Walking by the Spirit fulfills Mathew 22:36-40 includes the

Sabbath no matter which one you pick Colossians 2:16-20. Galatians 3 Whole Chapter IT IS WRITTEN. Sort

of a brief Synopsis. In the Book of Acts they fellowshipped daily house to house and evangelized everywhere

including the temple on their sabbath.

Hello William. You wrote, "We are called to obey God not to be saved but because we love God and want to please Him." I believe that to be able to truly love God & desire to please Him with our lives, must first require that we accept His Offer of Salvation - i.e. to be saved. If we're not saved through Christ's Blood, how is it possible to truly love God & please Him? History has shown that Israel tried to do this, to love God & please Him being given all the Laws to enable that to happen, even with God's pleadings by the mouths of the prophets. And you know what resulted from all that: they did not succeed, nor was God pleased with their efforts & they suffered.

But under the New Covenant, we read, "For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ( Romans 8:3,4). Would you agree that it's the "righteousness of God's Law" within us by His Spirit that now makes us acceptable to the Father? Though I might write to you as one of those "minister wolves", I do so, not to antagonize or condemn, but for consideration of the greater worth of the New Covenant in Christ's Blood over the Old Law that failed because of man's inability to keep it. Anyone who wants to observe the Law to the letter to please God, will always fail & Christ's shed Blood has no efficacy towards his quest. But if any realize that there can be no salvation (& pleasing God) by Law observance, will find the liberty in Christ & the power of His Spirit, to fully meet the righteous requirements of God's Law written in our hearts. If & when we fail (sin), we know that we can find forgiveness, unlike the Jew who was severely punished. "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage." ( Galatians 5:1).

Agree more with Glenn, because Genesis 1:26, "them" "over all the Earth"

Rick, please read : Mark 12:27, Luke 20:36-38, Hebrews 9:14-15, Luke 9:60, Genesis 2:17,

Genesis 3:20,

John 3:3,5,6,

Numbers 23:19, 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12, Leviticus,

Nowhere, is that stated in Scripture. Colossians 2:8

Revelations 22:19,

Verses 14 to 17 show that Moses' law, written by handwriting about holy days, sabbaths (not THE SABBATH) have been nailed to the Cross. They were only a 'shadow.' God's Law, written with the finger of God, remains to be obeyed forever. Jesus said He did not come to destroy God's law. Distinguishing between the 2 types of law is necessary to understand the Gospel. We are called to obey God not to be saved but because we love God and want to please Him. Be wary of minister wolves that claim the law is not valid anymore. John 14:15: 'If you love me, keep my commandments.' See Rev 22:14 showing that those who keep His commandments have right to the tree of life and may enter into the gates of New Jerusalem. Study His word yourself and do not be deceived. We all will face our Creator individually. It will be no excuse that our church misled us.

Jesus is God. He's part of the Godhead. Romans 1:20, When he was being tried by the Pharisees, He said: I and my Father are one.

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us" in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

Romans 1:20

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made (us), even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

Jesus is returning sooner than we all think. Matthew 24 and Luke 21 give us specific signs to watch for. They will increase near the end of days

Something else...this world we call home is going to pass away. We know that it's going to end and be renewed to what God created in Genesis. Before we polluted it and destroyed it with greed and technology. 2 PETER CHAPTER 3.

God promised never to flood the World again. But it is going to burn up. It already happening. IT IS NOT GLOBAL WARMING. The earth is responding to the WORD OF GOD, shown to Peter.

It's coming apart now: forest fires, worldwide droughts, polluted ground water from human belligerence; continent sized floating islands of garbage in both hemispheres. Earthquakes and Volcanos, floods: with increasing intensity. FAULTS once thought long dead will become active. As the end wars will be fought, we'll see space objects hit earth, our cities. Food will be used against us to force us to take THE MARK OF THE BEAST, ANTICHRIST. One world currency will be forced on us next. One world religion. Individuality will be no more.

Take the Mark=DEATH

Take Jesus=LIFE ETERNAL

FAITH believes God's Word.

The Holy Spirit, John 3:5-8

Carmela Absolutely not I know many a christian who's Job including my daughters works on sunday

and if this is challenged look at Colossians 2:13-18 we are judged by the word and Jesus Christ put

an end to the old law, that meaning we worship God twenty four seven in our walk bu the spirit

and fellowship or get together with other believers when we can. The sabbath was made for man not

man for the sabbath, a man we all consider Kings of Kings said that.

Philippians 3:2

Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the conscision

Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Colossians 2:8

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Comment: ONLY GOD can change a heart. We are teach with kindness and patience. Not with the leaven of scribes and Pharisees. How did Jesus accomplish this? Study in 1 John, 2 John, 3 John.

John the beloved was called so, "because he gets it". He understood what Jesus said to us.

Sister GiGi:

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE, as thou Father art in me, and I in thee, that they may all be one in us ....

This says that whatever and however the Father and Son have existed since the beginning, is the way we will also exist, in them, forever.

Colossians 1:19 For it please the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Ephesians 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth ALL in ALL.

You can have the doctrines of man, I will take the doctrines of WORD.