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As Christians we do believe in the triune God, throughout the NT Jesus and the apostles explain this, these are only a few bible verses to confirm this.

Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:"

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:10 "He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son."

1 John 5:11 "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son."

Hello brother,

If I may ask one question. Yes Jesus Christ is the Son of God. I hope people reading the Bible know this as that is what Christ denotes Himself as. Also being one with the Father. The Father being in Him and He in the Father. As God is Spirit.

Do you believe we should honor the Son even as we honor the Father? Thank you.

God Bless.

Alex You may want to carefully go over the treads of other peoples comments, you and Chrs agreed water baptism doesn't saves, I thought he made that clear and did an excellent job communicating as usual.

3 = 3 not 1

1= 1 not 3

If this does not work for you perhaps a prayer may help .

The devil is the author of confusion .

God is in the light and clearly to be understood especially about Jesus there can be no confusion . He is Gods Son . Nothing confusing about that .

Thank you for the response.

You mentioned that we need to be fully clear & fully convinced in our hearts in what we believe. So what do you mean (or can you explain) the idea of "in our heart". I do not know what "Heart" means in terms of how the bible describes. I only really understand the heart as the physical muscle in the body. Otherwise the terminology of the heart is vague to me in the same sense that love and other words are just that...words but without a truly defined meaning. So would gladly appreciate what this means. Thank you for taking the time to respond.

You can make a trinity out of any three things .

But the trinity doctrine is foreign to the Bible .

God is one God according to James .

The Trinity is very simply, Its FATHER ,SON AND GRANSON Just like Abraham Issac and Jacob, WITHOUT this father son and granson scenario there cd not be an Israel of God .Thats y he told Moses his name was Abraham ISSAC AND JACOB and my memorial to all generations impling an Israel of God is coming after the book is opened and the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed fulfilling that Promise that Christ will be multiplied as the stars of heaven ( an Israel of GOD ). But they are spirits as he said that which is born of the spirit is SPIRIT Thats the h.g the CHILDREN OF Promise, The Israel of God that are gonna be born in US sinners . And also Jesse David and Solomon were father son and granson But 1 kingdom. And here is the kicker Isaiah uses this Jesse David and Solomon kINGDOM as A TYPE OF THE kINGDOM COMING IN THE LAST DAYS. ISAIAH cd not be be refering to the natural Jesse David Solomon, they had been dead for aprox. 200 yrs. Isaiah was refering to the Father Son and H.G. TYPE OF KINGDOM COMING IN THE LAST DAYS. THE TRINITY, GODS KINGDOM HIS NAME FOREVER. Without a granson like Jacob there cd not be multiplIcation of Abrams ( CHRIST SEED ) and that was the great Promise which was the H.G the children of Promise. Via that new covenant. i.e. a baby Christ is gona be born in us via that GOOD seed. Thats y the woman is in travail and birth pains K

Comments by Alex about the blood of the lamb , Chris you do greatly err, if water cd have made us clean ( forgive us our sins ) then Christ shed his BLOOD IN VAIN ) AND THE CROSS was just foolishness , Even John who gave us water baptism told Jesus i have need to be baptised of you. He must increase but i must decrease, i.e water baptism had to decrease and H.G BAPTISM HAD TO INCREASE. REMEMBER Jesus told the woman at the well that drinking of Jacobs well ( water baptism ) wd not quench their thirst for Salvation , Only his living water which is baptism of the H.G WD quence their thirst for SALVATION AS Jesus describes that living water as a well of living water springing up unto everlasting life. John said that when Jesus spoke of water it was the H.G for the H.G WAS NOT YET GIVEN SIMPLY B/C that Jesus was not yet glorified. The point being when JESUS told that woman at the well of living water it was about baptism of the H.G. NOT WATER BAPTISM. JACOBS WATER K LEMME GO

Hi Danae, thank you for your interest in understanding more of God's Word. I see the key word in this portion of Scripture as 'conscience'. Peter refers to it in verse 16, where he states about having a good ('clear & clean') conscience. Another way of saying this, is that we need to be fully clear & fully convinced in our hearts in what we believe so that if anyone wants to dispute with us or even speak evil of us, our solid stand & clear testimony before them will be our strength & witness that we are truly changed.

In like manner, our 'good' conscience is what is important in respect to water baptism. As Noah was saved by water, so is the believer saved by water. But Peter qualifies that: it's not the act of immersion that 'saves' us, i.e. as if water baptism washed any of our sins away - No - water baptism doesn't take away sin or even give us a new birth (the Holy Spirit does that), but the act of baptism is for the sake of our conscience. We might rejoice when we first come to know Christ & experience His new birth in us. We might go on confidently in what has taken place in our lives, even share this with others. But Satan isn't far away to make us falter & doubt whether what has happened is of God or from our own desires. Especially when we fall into sin, it's so easy to start wondering about our salvation & we might even become spiritually weak because of it.

So Peter is saying that even though water baptism doesn't save us or clean us of our sin, what it does do, is to give us a physical testimony to others & ourselves, that God has performed a special work in us: that we are now testifying publicly to it & that this act will be a testimony to Satan whenever he taunts us with doubt & fear. So it just helps to keep us in focus, just as partaking at the Lord's Table does, when we remember Christ's death for us. So baptism comes first as we identify with Christ's death & resurrection into new Life & is a witness to all: ourselves & to the evil around us.

Hi Chris, Thank you for the explanation.

Going in another direction. I am reading 1st Peter 3 and I have a questions regarding verses 20-21. Specifically, I understand that the flood and the 8 men that were saved from the flood represented water baptism, but I do not completely understand the passage of: "baptism doth also save us...but the answer of a good conscience toward God...". Can you explain this section of verse 21.

Worship and the importants of it spritual and biblical.

Genesis 21:23

"Now therefore swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not deal falsely with me, nor with my son, nor with my son's son: but according to the kindness that I have done unto thee, thou shalt do unto me, and to the land wherein thou hast sojourned." .................AND I PRAY YOU GET OVER YOUR ILLNESS TO SLEEP WITH MOTHERS AND DAUGHTERS.......

High places in the OT are associated with worshipping idols, most often false gods. The Canaanites worshipped their gods on high places which were basically hills that were sometimes artificially made for that purpose. These hills would often have some sort of altar at the top, surrounded by groves of trees and Asherah poles, pillars, or standing stones. Their worship often consisted of burnt offerings, incense, feasts and festivals, cult prostitution, and child sacrifice.

God had often warned His people of imitating the heathen in these practises but only confine themselves at the prescribed places for worship. Even after the Tabernacle was built, where God met with the High Priest at the Ark of the Testimony, & later the building of the Temple by Solomon, people still through the years resorted to creating their own worship places.

Today, some religions still have their worship structures built at higher elevations. Some examples are: The great Pagoda atop Thailand's Doi Inthanon mountain; Taung Kalat Monastery in Myanmar (Burma); The Hanging Temple in Shanxi, China; The Roussanou Monastery in Greece; Saint-Michel d'Aiguilhe Chapel in France. By building these, the structures not only become central & visible to all & a focus of veneration & worship, but also give the sense of being closer to God. All these things detract from knowing & worshipping the True God.

But to the child of God, the Lord desires that the 'high places' in our thoughts & deep in our hearts be removed. That is, anything that would substitute for the lordship of God in our lives, where we give Him equal or second place in how we think & behave, rather than the first place. The NT speaks against being 'high minded': Romans 11:20, 1 Timothy 6:17, 2 Timothy 3:4 all show that such a state of mind & behaviour are contrary to the desires of God for us. Rather, to be like His Son: Philippians 2:3-11.

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As was said of Jesus, that He would have His heritage in Eve, of Abraham, of Jesse, made like unto his brethren, the root and offspring of David, tells me that as Mary had this Divine Seed developing in her, being nourished, experiencing all the normal feelings & movements of the Babe within & even bringing Him out in the normal way, is proof sufficient that this Holy Seed brought into the world by Mary had every right & claim to the Davidic line through Mary (& Joseph).

Does then the absence of a 'bloodline' preclude Jesus being what was claimed of Him? Would it be sufficient that a wholly Divine Jesus, born through a human agent, could be included in the lineage all the way back to Adam? Or, if there was a "bloodline" through Mary, would Jesus have a sinful nature as well? Aspects worthy of some thought to Jesus' qualification not only to be wholly Divine but also to His human descendancy.

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Thanks for your input Bendito. The reference to 'seed' of course does mean as you suggested, but we have to allow for a wider meaning as prescribed from the Hebrew: which is, 'zera', & this includes 'child, descendant, posterity, race, etc.', as seen in other Scriptures showing this (e.g. Genesis 12:7 & others).

So we could read as you state that the Embryo that was Jesus in Mary's womb, was of her seed coupled with the Divine, or as I believe, that she only carried God's Seed to be brought out into the world. If she supplied her seed for the Word of God to become flesh, then Jesus would have been tainted with the sinful nature of humanity as I don't believe that Mary was sinless. To say that Jesus wouldn't have been so tainted then denies the transmission of the sin nature throughout humanity. Now I know that some believe that Jesus was born with a sin nature & during His testings with Satan & throughout His earthly sojourn, He resisted Satan so that He wouldn't feed that Nature & commit sin. I don't know if you subscribe to this view, but I believe that Jesus didn't have such a nature but His testings from Satan were to instil such a nature in Him as was done to Adam & Eve.

You also state: "Else he would have not truly been the Son of Man, but another life form." I couldn't quite get my head around this one: I understand that a human being can only be one from both the male & female contributions. If one part was of the Divine & the other human, does this also constitute a human being? Or, if both parts were Divine, could a human be formed in such manner? Or seen in another way, if God could create Adam from dust & Eve from his rib, can God not produce another human only from His compilation of seed(s)?

What is meant by the High places in the Old Testament and what are some examples of present Day High places?

My belief is that Mary, by the grace of God, supplied the ovum necessary for the Word to become flesh. Else he would have not truly been the Son of Man, but another life form.

According to scripture, Jesus Christ would be the seed of the woman, the root of Jesse, the seed of Abraham, made like unto his brethren, the root and offspring of David.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( Genesis 3:15)

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. ( Isaiah 7:14)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. ( Isaiah 11:10)

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. ( Hebrews 2:16-17)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. ( Revelation 22:16)

You're referring now to one of my favourite Bible NT Books, so I'll try & contain myself sharing a bit of the background & answers to your questions.

The Book was written to Christians who were mainly of Jewish background, hence they needed to see from the Scriptures & understand why Jesus was greater in every way being the only suitable Sacrifice for us & to not apostatize by reverting back to Judaism or Jewish thought. Therefore, the Hebrews writer (possibly, Paul), endeavours to show Christ's superiority & of Christianity.

Jesus was superior to the Prophets (1:1-4); to the Angels (1:5 - 2:18); to Moses (3:1-6); & to the Priesthood (5:1 - 10:39). To the Priesthood: Jesus did not come in the line of the priests of old (i.e. through the Levite tribe): He came through David & Judah & yet He came fulfilling the position of Priest. The Hebrews writer explains that Jesus' position exceeded the position & work of the priests: the priests had to offer sacrifices for their sins & for the people, but Jesus fulfilled the role of a High Priest from Heaven, by offering up Himself as the Sacrifice (7:27) & also presently doing a mediating Work in Heaven on our behalf (8:1).

So if Jesus had no earthly qualification to be Priest, it had to be from another. So the typology is taken from King Melchisedec who was a King & served as a priest to his people in Salem (later, Jerusalem). Since there was no record of this king's birth, family or death, Jesus is likened to such an one who served as a priest without coming from a Levitical background. So in Hebrews chap 7, 'perfection' was not realized from the earthly priests (ordained from the 'law of a carnal commandment'), but from one such as Melchisedec (by the authority of an 'endless life', a type of 'eternal existence' of the man Melchisedec).

That Jesus did not sin had nothing to do with 7:16, but that Jesus withstood Satan who determined to make Jesus fail as the eternal Saviour, giving us no further way to salvation.

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the detailed response. I have a better understanding of why Jesus was not sinful.

So you had referenced Heb 4:15 and I have been reviewing this passage along with Heb 7. In particular I noticed that Jesus was referenced as a High Priest through the power of a life that cannot be destroyed ( Heb 7:16). I have 2 questions:

1. Is it though this power of a life that cannot be destroyed that explains why Jesus cannot sin (or did not have a sinful nature?

2. I do not know or understand the backstory of the high priests. Specifically in Heb. 7: 15-28, what was wrong with the old system that required Jesus to be the ultimate high priest?

That's a great question Danae. It is one that has brought on many discussions & ideas over the years.

My belief is this: you're right that Mary & Joseph were ordinary human beings, though of course special as they were selected by God to bring forth His Son into the World. And in their humanity, they, like us, were born with a sin nature passed onto us from our first parents. And they would have sinned as well, though some would teach that they (specifically Mary) did not, since they were in every respect human as we are.

So why wouldn't baby Jesus also receive a sin nature like all of us? I see it this way: neither Mary or Joseph contributed to the conception of the babe. That is, Joseph certainly wasn't the father & Mary did not contribute her ovum to this conception. The Bible says in Luke 1:35, "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

I understand this verse to say that God, by His Spirit overshadowed Mary & placed this Holy Seed (one entirely from God without human intervention) into Mary's womb. So this Seed had not the nature that is passed down through mankind - it is a pure & Holy Seed. So couldn't God just zap Jesus onto the Earth & avoid all this human involvement? Well, the Scriptures speak of this Holy One coming, Who would be the Messiah, born in humanity ( 2 Samuel 7:12,13; Isaiah 7:14; Micah 5:2), so Jesus was born in fulfilment of all Scriptures, even the Sacrifices which spoke about His redemptive work. Yet, Jesus' Birth was without a sin nature so that He could ultimately be the Perfect Spotless Sacrifice for mankind. So Jesus was tempted of Satan ( Matthew 4:1-11), not to commit sin since He had no sin nature, but Satan wanted to cause the sin nature to be a part of Jesus, just as he did to Adam & Eve. But Jesus resisted this attempt & remained pure ( Hebrews 4:15).

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Someone once mentioned to me that Jesus was not born into sin. But since Mary and Joseph were born into the world, they were born into sin, even if they never committed sinned. Doesn't that still mean that both Mary and Joseph were of a sinful nature? And wouldn't that mean that Jesus being born into the world, would be born into sin or born to have a sinful nature even though He is God?

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Hades in Greek, or Sheol in Hebrew, is generally defined in these three ways:

a. the Grave. A place of bodily rest & decay. Acts 2:29-31.

b. a place of punishment for the wicked. Luke 16:20-23; Matthew 11:23.

c. a temporary place for the righteous dead. Luke 16:23-26. The Luke account seems to indicate that hades had two areas separating the righteous from the wicked in death. But after Jesus' death & resurrection, the righteous are no longer held there, being justified by faith, for which the Cross provided the means now which they didn't have before Christ's death.

Hades will always oppose Christ's Church ( Matthew 16:18); it must be distinguished from being just synonymous with death ( Revelation 6:8); it will one day be destroyed ( Revelation 20:13,14); Jesus has the 'keys' to it ( Revelation 1:18); & it is remains now only a temporary place of the unbelieving dead, as the Apostle Paul believed that Hades would not be his destiny, but Heaven ( 2 Corinthians 5:8).

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