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  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Ok, I don't share that particular belief with you because of what the Bible says:

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    Gal 5:4 "ye are fallen from grace."

    Matthew 10:22 "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12 KJV

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10 KJV

    Salvation is conditional upon following Christ. Those who hate or don't follow Christ aren't going to be saved, based on what the Bible says.

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    I don't know how some can read these verses and twist them into meaning anything other than what they mean. This should be prayed about very deeply.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi David,

    God said this:

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    So, God clearly tells us we will NOT be forgiven if we commit this sin and what I hear you saying is that we WILL. Both are not true. One is false. I tend to believe what God says, not what man says. Because God already said if you blaspheme the Holy Ghost you will NOT be forgiven then that is the truth. That makes anything contrary to that false and in some cases a blatant lie.

    But maybe people don't like that verse and want to discredit it. Well, here's another then:

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    But I believe this misunderstanding has 2 dimensions. One is when we are "saved" and the other is "eternal security." The Bible doesn't say we're saved before we're judged. This is something Christians for years have been mentally "filling in the blanks" on but if you read carefully God never once said we will be instantly saved the second we believe. If you have a verse claiming that, please share it. But I can assure you for every verse you share, there's probably twice as many saying otherwise.

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    "Hope" not, guarantee, but "hope." Grace "that is to be brought" future tense. It doesn't say now, or past tense.

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    This refutes man's claims of being saved now and can go to adult clubs and do whatever they want. That's exactly what satan is trying to convince people of. Very clever deception.

    1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'

    Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    Hebrews 10:36.

    Where is your evidence of the opposite of Gods words? God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I thought it was necessary to bring clarity to a portion of my previous.

    When I said Gigi this is the example I have given when one trample over the blood of Christ. Hebrews 10:29.

    I was referring to another thread where I said to act as tho Christ blood shed on the cross is inadequate and try to add our filthy rags to His finish work it's like what is mentioned here in Hebrews 10:28-28.

    I also would like to add.

    Hebrews 10:20-24. By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

    And having an high priest over the house of God;

    LET US DRAW NEAR WITH A TRUE HEART IN FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH, HAVING OUR HEARTS SPRINKLED FROM AN EVIL CONSCIENCE, AND OUR BODIES WASHED WITH PURE WATER.

    LET US HOLD FAST THE PROFESSION OF OUR FAITH WITHOUT WAVERING; (FOR HE IS FAITHFUL THAT PROMISED;)

    And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

    We can be sure!!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen David.

    Gigi this is the example I have given when one trample over the blood of Christ. Hebrews 10:29.

    Romans 10:4-11. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

    For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

    But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)

    Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)

    But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

    That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

    FOR WITH THE HEART MAN BELIEVETH UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS; AND WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION.

    ( If you claim you don't know that you are saved until you die and is judged how do you confess it?

    WITH THE MOUTH CONFESSION IS MADE UNTO SALVATION IS TO LATE IF YOU ARE DEAD!

    ( Here's one of many verses that speaks on eternal security)

    FOR THE SCRIPTURE SAITH, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE ASHAMED.

    Was not Christ judged on the cross taking the penalty of our sins? Yes.

    Was he not the Lamb of God? Yes.

    Was it sufficient? Isaiah 53:7-10.

    How many of those sins was future?

    If you can earn it you can loose it.

    But if it is a gift and you didn't earn it, how could you loose it?

    We are saved by GRACE.

    For by grace are ye saved "THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

    Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10.

    Grace can't be taken away.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hello, thanks for sharing but that's not what God says in His word.

    What scripture verse do you claim to be the source of your idea that faith is a result of salvation?

    And what scripture verse do you cite to claim that you're saved now before you're even judged?

    Paul said the one verse you're citing, but did you notice that Paul also warned ( 1 Cor 4:14) Christians to obey and not stray from the faith. God gives you that choice- he will allow you to commit despicable evil as we see people do every day, as is covered by the news. Christians also leave the faith, as evidenced by those we know in person and those forum groups like on Reddit where they talk about it. To deny this reality is to deny truth. Did God cause them to leave the faith? No, people did using their own freewill and bad choices. They will not be saved if they are not following Christ. Not all Christians will be "saved" on judgment day.

    I don't know if you believe in freewill or not, that God is forcing you to type things on this site you don't want to say of if you believe you are doing it. If God forces you to eat things you don't want to eat like Taco Bell or ice cream. But about freewill of course there's only one truth- either its true or not, not both. And its true for me, so are people claiming its not true for them? And is that God speaking through them that its not true or is that their own doing and how can they 100% prove they are not in control of their bodies whatsoever? Some may be deceived and use this as justification to sin against God and perhaps some may be dishonest about it.

    1 Cor 4:5 says to judge nothing before the Lord comes and then the Lord will then judge us, but people seem to like judging themselves as saved so some can then make excuses to disobey God.

    Romans 15:5 Paul says we need endurance. He warns us, says to endure, and 1 Corinthians 9:24 says to run the race so to win the prize. The refutes the popular narrative.

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.”
    Hebrews 10:26, James 2:14-26, Matthew 7:21-23
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Leviticus 16 - 3 years ago
    Thanks Gigi.

    Great topic.

    Wilful sin is a big issue as the article mentioned.

    Hebrews 10:26-27. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

    But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

    Here's also a commonly looked over sin.

    James 4:17. Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Sometimes we as Christians think we have the balances in our hands to tell the degree of the offence so we weigh the sin against another man's sin. That seems to give us comfort to continue in our folly.

    We should understand that we have been bought/Redeemed with the blood of Christ!

    Here is where we examine ourselves to see if Christ Lords over our life.

    Galatians 2:20-21. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

    This righteousness is not just Positionally it is practical. It should be on display "BECAUSE" it is energized by the Spirit.

    This is not how well we serve, it's WHO we serve and WHO is glorified.

    It's the outward act that shows the inward parts. ( The regenerated heart.)

    If we count the blood of Christ dear to us we should have a fear of offending the grace of God, so his word and our our worship should line up with scripture.

    Our walk and zeal confirms our attitude towards the ransom.

    Another way to treat the blood of Christ as if it wasn't enough and try to add to it is to say "You don't except it or perhaps don't believe it.

    God bless.
  • Chris - In Reply on Leviticus 16 - 3 years ago
    Hello GiGi. Thanks for your very good commentaries on these chapters, and as in this chapter 17 on sacrifices conducted by the priests, your emphasis being on the blood.

    Your question intrigued me, as true believers, endued with God's Spirit, will always consider Christ's Sacrifice & the necessary shedding of His Blood as most vital for their forgiveness & transformation, the other part of your question, of "ways believers can defile or profane the blood of Jesus, thus trampling it underfoot", I wondered about. I doubt whether genuine believers can ever "defile or profane" the Sacrifice that Jesus made for them.

    Your statement took me to Hebrews 10:29: "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Though there are opinions on this epistle, mine continues to focus on it being sent to the Hebrews, i.e. those of Jewry who have turned to Christ & meeting in various congregations outside of Palestine. But some, having left Judaism behind & drawn to Christ, were not necessarily converted. They may have confessed their faith, been baptized in water, even some demonstration of a heart change & 'gifts' used in the Church. But a large portion of this letter is an apologetic to the superiority of Christ to that of the Old Covenant & Laws, which the Hebrews writer would not address in such detail unless there was some problem amongst those who were considering abandoning the 'faith' & returning to Judaism.

    Though this letter is an encouragement to them, it also came as a grave warning. And here in Hebrews 10:29 (as also seen elsewhere), the warning was to those in such a spiritual state, that to return to Judaism effectively meant that they have determined that Jesus & His Sacrifice meant nothing & Judaism was the only answer. No further sacrifice availed for them.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Thanks, and Amen Giannis!

    For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

    For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

    But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.

    For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

    Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, SACRIFICE AND OFFERINGS THOU WOULDEST NOT, BUT A BODY HADST THOU PREPARED ME:

    In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

    Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

    Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

    Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.

    BY TH WHICH WILL WE ARE SANCTIFIED THROUGH THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF CHRIST ONCE FOR ALL.

    Hebrews 10:1-10.

    I love the way you broke down 1 Peter 2:5 in the Greek.

    "Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ" We have a spiritual Temple/House now ("Temple" in grk (Naos) means "Place of Residence") and as priest we offer our prayers for people as spiritual sacrifices to Father God.

    It parallels with Philippians 2:13.

    For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

    Doing the act of these things you mentioned in the flesh "for carnal reasons" (for show, glory, etc. etc.) or APART from a regenerated heart we are incapable of pleasing God.

    By the spirit we are able to worship him in truth and in spirit.

    Thanks, and God bless for all you do.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 3 years ago
    alex1939...Gerald GBU but let me remind you its what Jesus did at Calvary that saved all of us...His blood that New Covenant in his blood... Romans 5:8...While we were yet sinners Christ died for us,all of us...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me...The 2 theives were made Clean by his blood and the words he spoke to them...That New Covenant in his blood You are made Clean by the Words i have spoken unto you...Abide in me and i in you ...They didn't need to be water baptised the old covenant Johns water baptism...This was a new COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD...Remember what Peter said to whom shall we go lord thou has the Words of Eternal life...Jesus had a conversation with these 2 theives and it was his words that made them Clean... Hebrews 10:20 I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...This New Covenant is a different covenant then the 1 st covenant...God Almighty says i will know them ALL from the least to the greatest... Jeremiah 31:34...And this knowledge is an intimacy that is gonna form Christ in everybody...Thus the babes and sucklings he mentions...And Isaiah says that this Knowledge is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...Thats everybody...As Bro Paul mentions the whole creation groans for the manifestation of the Son of God (birth pains) ...The Children of Promise the H.G.... Romans 8:22...Real Faith is a spirtual pregnancy...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin his words are his seeds that are gona fulfill that great Promise of Multiplication and regeneration...But these things are hid from the wise and prudent and revealed unto babes...Spirits the H.G. a living being our new heart and new spirit...An Israel of God...That New heaven and new earth...His seed and his name sake the H.G...27 times in the O.T. the Prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains...And thats y Elijah has to come and turn the fathers hearts to the Children...The Children of Promise...gbu Gerald
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Genesis 9 - 3 years ago
    Alex N 1939...Hi Rob lemme give ya feelings about the righteousness of this earth in the last days.

    Isaiah says that God was gonna make a man more precious then Gold even the golden wedge of Ophir...which is gonna be by his fire of the H.G....in the last day i will pour out of my spirit on all flesh... Joel 2:32

    Isaiah said that Knowledge ( An intimacy that is gonna cover this earth resulting in a New BIRTH for every man)...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me....While we were yet sinners Christ shed his blood for every man....He has to know us thats when we get that good seed that initiates a new Birth....thats y we need the contents of the book the living words of God.

    Who shall abide the day of his coming, Who shall stand when he appears...( 2 nd coming )...For he shall be as a refiners fire and fullers soap....A cleasing fire..Malichi 3 :2...Every sinner has to have his part in the lake of fire...As our God is a Consuming fire...That H.G. FIRE....Remember Jesus said i come to bring fire on the earth which is his baptism of the H.G. and fire....Judgement must began in the house of God...In our hearts and minds etc...I will make a man more precious then Gold...Thus his baptism of the H.G.and Fire.

    ....I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest to them that asked not after me... Hebrews 10:20...The blood of this new Covenant is stronger then anymans sins

    When that book is opened in the fathers right HAND we will all sing a new SONG...We will not sing this churchanity Song much longer...The contents of the book ( the living words of God) is gonna be sown in mans hearts...Abide in me and i in you.

    .....Thats when peter saw a new heaven and a new earth...Which answers to our new heart and new spirit...So Rob i believe that what Jesus did at Calvary is gonna make us all Absolute Sons of God and the very Israel of God.
  • Jesse - 3 years ago
    In Matthew 12:39, Jesus said, "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:"



    So Jesus described the character of this generation. He says that an evil and adulterous generation seeks for a sign.



    So please be careful if you are a "signs and wonders" seeker. Jesus said that a wicked and an adulterous generation seeks for a sign. It is adultery, it is spiritual adultery!



    Did Jesus perform miracles and give signs? Yes. But they were to point to Him. People were not supposed to follow signs, and we are still not supposed to follow them today, but many still do.



    We know from 2 Thessalonians Chapter 2 that the antichrist, when he comes, that he is going to perform signs and wonders, miracles, and he's going to say that he is god and he's going to deceive many.



    I think that people are setting themselves up today, and they are making it easy for themselves to be deceived when the antichrist comes. Some are constantly looking for signs that point to the end time.

    We as believers do not need signs. We are told three times in the New Testament that we are to live by faith. ( Romans 1:17, Galatians 3:11, Hebrews 10:38)
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Judgment coming part 5.

    Once again; we need to understand that with knowledge comes responsibility. There are some who are immature in the faith that simply don't know scripture well enough to clearly see parameters that they should follow and hence that slip into sin. But those that willingly sin and know the truth are going to be in a worse state than those who never knew the truth. (See Hebrews 10:26).

    We need to avoid slipping into violence to solve our problems as God states "vengeance is mine; I will repay ( Romans 12:19). Extremism is pushing us in that direction of violent opposition. We need to wisely choose our battles; remaining wise as serpents; innocent as doves. ( Matt. 10:16).

    God will even use babes and children to praise Him ( Psalms 8:2). He has his armies of angels to stand before and behind us to defend us when He chooses to do so. It is His sovereign will to either deliver us FROM judgment or through it (although His people are delivered from wrath according to Romans at least related to the end of the Tribulation. Those who are martyred in the end will be lifted up to rule and reign with Christ if they indeed stood in the true faith.

    May we be watchmen as Ezekiel warns or the blood of those who are destroyed will be required of us. Only God can laugh at the calamity of the wicked; our job is to lovingly rescue those who are taken captive by the devil to do his will. God knows who will and won't respond; even if no one we talk to does; we are to declare His victory as faithful servants. In this we honor God.

    That is the main concern of revivals that appeal to a "numbers game" as many churches do today to gain prominence; financial benefits etc. We should warn to flee the wrath to come but also exhort those that the road is narrow and few will come to faith.

    The days of the "easy peasy" belief system may be passing since COVID took out some churches and probably irreversably reduced the percentage of those who go to church.
  • Adam - In Reply on Acts 24 - 3 years ago
    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    Luke 12:5

    John 14:15

    James 2:14-26

    Romans 6:1-2

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    1 Timothy 4:1

    2 Peter 2:20-22

    Matthew 12:31-32

    1 Corinthians 15:2-8

    Hebrews 3:12

    Romans 11

    The Bible answers this question quite clearly. Some are trying to use human logic through cherrypicking and misinterpreting a couple verses instead of simply believing God's truth through the whole Bible. Satan wants people to assume they have an insurance policy and license to commit unlimited sin and do whatever they want.

    Does the Bible even say you're instantly "saved" when you start to believe, or does it say that you can have hope of salvation and assurance of salvation if you are a genuine follower until the "end" on the day of judgment? Let's see if the Bible says "now" or in the "end"...

    Matthew 24:13

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."

    1 Peter 1:5

    - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    1 Peter 1:13

    "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    Hebrews 10:36

    "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gigi.

    Part 3. J Vernon Mcgee.

    Therefore, faith rests upon the Word of God. Our dogmatism comes from the Book. That is the reason the writer to the Hebrews said in Hebrews 10:39, "But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." There are only two ways to go. Either you are going backwards, or you are going to go forwards. Anything that is alive cannot stand still. Out yonder in the forest there is regression and deterioration taking place, but there is also growth and development. Nothing alive out there is standing still - it cannot.

    "The evidence of things not seen." In the Greek the word is elegchos. It is a legal term meaning "evidence that is accepted for conviction." When I was studying classical Greek in college, I observed that this word is used about twenty-three times in Plato's account of the trial of Socrates. Evidence is something you take into court to prove your case.

    Faith is not a leap in the dark. Faith is not a "hope so." Faith is substance and evidence - substance for a scientific mind, and evidence for a legal mind. If you really want to believe, you can believe. You can believe a whole lot of foolish things, but God doesn't want you to do that. He wants your faith to rest upon the Word of God.

    -From Edited Messages on Hebrews by Dr. J. Vernon McGee.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Prosperity.

    The law was given to Israel but let's set that aside.

    You are right in that you say, "The Commandments must be kept" Israel couldn't obtain salvation thru the keeping of the law and neither can we.

    Christ came to free us from the curse of the law, that doesn't mean he did away with The Law.

    In the old covenant "under the law" there was sacrifices made for sin. Those sacrifices pointed ahead to the only sacrifice that could take away sin AND regenerate the believer by the Spirit. Hebrews 10:3-10.

    The old covenant had no power over the incurable heart. The new covenant humbled the sinner and pointed him in the right direction. "CHRIST" Ezekiel 36:26-27. Jeremiah 31:31-33.

    The old covenant slew us and is called the ministration of death. Romans 7:5-11. 2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

    The new covenant gave mercy. Why mercy? Because no one could keep the law, and no one is able to do so today. Putting ourselves in chains and grinding our teeth while restraining from sin isn't keeping the law. Galatians 2:21.

    The commandments given didn't say keep the commandments as best you can.

    You're breaking the law in your heart You're still a sinner. There's no sanctification. Christ came to give new birth and a new heart accompanied with mercy and grace.

    The second you broke any one of them you were forever lost if there was no sacrifice that could take away sin. Hebrews 10:1-5.

    It was the sacrifices that pointed to Christ that made atonement for those sins.

    Israel having God in their midst with all the providence showed the world that the heart of man is incurably wicked.

    The law showed that there was a need of a savior that could regenerate the believer and give a new heart and life.

    The commandments are Holy and was given to a nation that was set apart to show man with God in their midst was nothing like God being "IN" them.

    That's what's available today.

    Read Galatians 3:10-26.

    Perhaps more on this later this weekend God bless."
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Amen Gigi.

    Well spoken, Jesus came to redeem all of creation from the curse pronounced on the world in Genesis. The work of the cross didn't just redeem us, Christ came to redeem all that was created. Romans 8:21-23. The commandments weren't set forth to do that. The commandments were to show the need for redemption.

    The commandments given didn't say keep the commandments the best you can.

    The second you broke any one of them you were forever lost if there was no sacrifice that could take away sin. Hebrews 10:1-5.

    It was the sacrifices that pointed to Christ that made atonement for those sins.

    Israel having God in their midst with all the providence showed the world that the heart of man is incurably wicked.

    The law showed that there was a need of a savior that could regenerate the believer and give a new heart and life.

    The commandments are Holy and was given to a nation that was set apart to show man with God in their midst was nothing like God being "IN" them.

    That's what's available today.

    God bless.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Earl,

    I'm sure you are 100% confident of your beliefs. I'm sure you know that most Christians believe in hell because hell is mentioned in the Bible. I'm sure you've already heard the Bible verses and interpretations of those, so I will keep my comment short. Because you are commenting on a public forum its assumed that you are willing to receive a reply from the public.

    I'm curious about the belief of not believing in hell or how someone can read the same Bible and reach that conclusion. If this were true that no one goes there then why would hell exist in the first place, why did Jesus warn us about it like Mark 9:43-48, and what then would the purpose be for becoming a Christian or spreading the gospel?

    If everyone is saved regardless of our beliefs or actions, then despite Hebrews 10:26-31 do you think God would be ok with everyone to go out tonight to induldge in the evils of this world and intentionally commit every kind of sin against God imagineable?

    Thank you for sharing your beliefs...
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Mr. Bowman, you're asking about 2Thessalonians 2:3, it starts with 2Thessalonians 2:1-2, the coming of Lord,._. Please notice this is the 2nd letter to the Thessalonians, following up on the discussion in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, also following the words of Jesus.

    It seems the "great falling away" may be as Jesus explained with the seed, parable. When they face trouble, not rooted in good soil; Please look at Matthew 13:6,20,21, notice Jesus says we will go through "the great tribulation" Matthew 24:21,22,29, Matthew 24:30, in context please read both full chapters, also please look at : Revelation 6:9-11, if Jesus says endure to the end, Matthew 24:13, 2Peter 3:3-14, 1Peter 5:2-11, Hebrews 12:23-29, Hebrews 10:35-39, Colossians 1:23,

    1Peter 1:2-9, Jude 1:24,

    Hopefully this is helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Gigi.

    Hebrews 10:19. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (We can now come into his presence)

    1 Corinthians 6:19. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? (Because he abides in us.)

    1 John 4:4. Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is "HE" that is in you, than he that is in the world. (It is a "HE" that is in you that is stronger than he that is in the world.)

    John 17:21-23. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

    And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    I IN THEM, AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, if a man loves me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, (AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM). "The Holyspirit is God's spirit in us!

    Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies BY HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. (It is the father, the son, and the Holyspirit abiding in us according to these scriptures.) AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.

    Ephesians 4:4-6. There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling.

    One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

    One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, AND IN YOU ALL.

    With so many scriptures like this given a would be confusing if there were no trinity.

    The way you have explained it often is well represented by scripture.

    God bless you.
  • Richard H Priday on Psalms 24 - 3 years ago
    Psalm 24 and the eastern gate

    Suleiman in 1540 apparently sealed the eastern gate in Jerusalem; which is apparently where the Messiah is going to return at the Second Coming (or shortly thereafter after defeating His enemies). We can see this in the beginning of Ezekiel 43 as well as Ezekiel 44 in the closing of the gate. There are other scriptures in Nehemiah and Zechariah which point to the glory of the Lord to the east as well.

    The repeated theme in verses 7 through 10 could also refer to Christ's triumphant return to the heavenly city and throne when He sat at the right hand of God after accomplishing His work here on earth ( Acts 2:33; Hebrews 10:12 and about 100 ADDITIONAL cross references to that affect!)

    When we see His triumphant return; His vestures are dipped in blood. ( Rev. 19:13; Isaiah 63:3). It is certainly possible that when He first entered heaven there was some of the blood from His atonement placed there ( Hebrews 9:12). I would take this verse literally; although there is commentary from some famous people (I will leave unnamed) who say to the contrary.

    A couple other themes seen in verses 1 and 2 show the original earth and that after the flood that God established. To be in heaven according to verses 3 through 5 have certain characteristics. We need to heed not swearing deceitfully as well; for any covenant or vow before God is something we are to keep our end on (and I am placing the marriage covenant there as well). God is eternal therefore not planning to change His covenants; with the exception of the New Covenant that He established abrogating the sacrifices of the O.T. for a better one ( Matt. 26:28; etc.) Verse 6 states a generation of them that seek Him; that could be the whole resurrected group of saints; or the Millennial generation born on earth after He comes; or both.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Mark 16 - 3 years ago
    Dear Jag,

    I will speak about your second question. I think it is clear in the Scriptures that Jesus saves all of us, body, soul, and spirit.

    1Thessalonions 5:22

    Hebrews 10:39

    James 1:21

    All speak of the salvation of our souls.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I wonder if there's a difference between discerning, judging, and condemning.

    Matthew 7:1-5 - says not to judge, then elaborates that if you are a hypocrite. But what if you're following Jesus, not a hypocrite and you're genuinely trying to help a loved one avoid ruining their life to sin? Are we to still keep our mouths shut and stay out of their business altogether, and how does that benefit your loved one?

    I can say from personal experience that those who risked offending me to speak truth to help me I have been most appreciative of in the long run. Those who kept their mouth shut while I was hurting or embarrassing myself showed the relationship was weak.

    John 7:24 - says to judge, then elaborates on righteous judgment.

    1 Corinthians 15:33 - says bad company corrupts and we should avoid. But if we don't evaluate their moral condition then how would we even know if they're good company or bad company?

    I remember Joel Osteen caved on national TV when asked about hell and judgment- and suggested that everyone is good or something. What about those living in sin who will never escape unless they hear the reality that, yes, they will burn in hell if they continue their ways. Is truth and tough love always bad?

    Romans 14:10-13, Hebrews 10:30 suggests not judging their salvation in the way I'm reading it. But some suggest someone trying to seek vengeance too, which is of course bad.

    The reality is everyone judges. You judge if a babysitter will harm your child or not, you wouldn't hire an atheist for a job as Christian pastor, you would illegally ask them about their beliefs. Yes, this is illegal in the US, even though its understood and common sense that everyone does this.

    Street evangelists commonly ask if the person believes they're going to heaven or not. Are they not to do that?

    If anyone has more clarification on this topic for when is appropriate for each type of judgment / evaluation of others then that might be useful. God bless.
  • Mel - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I would never tell you that you are wrong if you truly are unable to attend in person. However, I would encourage you to think about the added benefits of having in-person fellowship with other believers. If you are able to go to church, it is definitely worthy of the effort. There is a special blessing in gathering together with others to sing, pray and share the Word in the same place. There is also the blessing of the interactions you will share there like conversations, smiles, hugs, encouragement and so on that you miss out on when you watch from home. And consider this, that perhaps someone there needs you to be their source of encouragement? Seek out the blessings!

    I leave you with a few verses on fellowship.

    Ecclesiastes Chapter 4

    9 Two are better than one; because they have a good reward for their labour.

    10 For if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow: but woe to him that is alone when he falleth; for he hath not another to help him up.

    11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone?

    12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken.

    Hebrews 10:24, 25

    And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
  • Cindy - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Dear Joleen, hello! You can talk to your pastor about being baptized in your church. If you don't go to church, please start attending a good Gospel church. Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

    God bless you!
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
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    Hello Lorraine. Usually, when we look at a verse we tend to form an opinion based on what that verse seems to be telling us. Yet, the general rule is that we need to consider what the writer is actually writing about (in that chapter or book). So, I don't believe that these verses ( Hebrews 10:26,27) speak about forgiveness of past & present sins but of what was taking place at that time.

    Just looking at Hebrews chapter 10 only, we see from verses 1 to 8 that the writer is writing about the temporary nature of the Law & that it was never meant to be able to deal with the sin question. The sacrifices were only a 'covering' for Israel's sins to avert God's punishment for their disobedience, until God's Own Sacrifice in Jesus (verses 9 to 21) would adequately make full payment for all sin for all people who turn to Him.

    Then from verse 26, the writer declares, "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sinsbut a looking for of judgement". We might think that he is writing about any wilful sin, but then in verse 29, he explains it, "Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

    So here we see what he meant by sinning wilfully; this was a sin of returning back to the Law & Sacrifices, thereby not only negating Jesus' Sacrifice, but deeming it inadequate or even unnecessary to secure salvation & to avert God's Anger. To those who now believed this, the writer says he will be even 'more sorely punished' because unbelief is one thing, but to trample on Jesus' Sacrifice disregarding the pure Blood that was shed for us, is unforgiveable. And as Levi as written, 'it becomes an unpardonable sin' to hold such a belief.
  • Lorraine - 3 years ago
    Can someone explain Hebrews 10:26-27. Reading it makes me question if you can't be forgiven for past sin, while we are told that if we confess our sins we will be forgiven. I'm a tad confused.

    Thank you.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Matthew 12:32 "...but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

    Matthew 7:21-23

    "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

    Hebrews 10:26 "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

    James 2:14-26 "...faith, if it hath not works, is dead..."

    James 2:19 "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."

    1 Peter 1:13 "...hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;"

    John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

    1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time."

    Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ."

    Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."

    "Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him." James 1:12

    "Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory." 2 Timothy 2:10

    Joshua 24:15 "choose you this day whom ye will serve"

    2 Corinthians 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved." Matthew 10:22

    "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13

    "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Mark 13:13 KJV
  • Anna - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Psalm 24:8 kjv, Hebrews 10:19 kjv, Luke 19:10 kjv, Isaiah 42:7 kjv, Acts 26:18 kjv, 2 Peter 3:9 kjv.
  • Ronnette on John 16:33 - 3 years ago
    QJohn 16:12-3 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. 1 Corinthians 2:15-16. Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. Galatians 1:3-5. All I can tell us is thismemorize your KJV Bible. Save as many as your love one's. Be patient. Listen more and speak less. Love your spouse deeply. Grow in grace and true charity 1 Corinthians 13:1-13. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18. The time is at hand. We will see more changes and mark this day. Watch carefully. Revelation 3:2-3. There is a spiritual message in Job 20:1-29. Be careful for nothing Philippians 4:6. Hebrews 10:31, but Revelation 21:8. I comfort you with these 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. As you walk in the Spirit of God, Proverbs 23:4-5. Those who are in Spirit understand Psalm 90:10 read the whole chapter. Our meditation be Psalms 91:1:16 memorize and our prayers today be Psalms 55:1-23. Peace.
  • Adam - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Mark,

    My comment is that salvation is conditional whether people believe it or not, because its what the Bible says. It's full of calls to action and challenging us to change our behavior. Most people will not be saved Matthew 7:13. Salvation is with grace but is only for believers/followers- a choice that each person must make. One way to summarize this action appears to be genuine belief and faith in Jesus Christ. John 3:16. That is an action and choice.

    So, if someone does not believe, one can presume the unbeliever will not be saved. This already "offends" a lot of people, because some want to justify themselves in their own mind while doing the bare minimum they assume God wants. Some have been deceived into believing obeying God is "bad." But believing is only one of many action verbs the Bible challenges us to do. Other actions fall under this category of genuine active belief and following Jesus too. All these verses in the Bible are true and are equally important. Some like to cherry pick one, but ignore others and assume they don't apply, but they all apply and are true and are God's word.

    believe:

    John 3:16

    follow Jesus:

    John 8:12

    deny himself:

    Luke 9:23

    confess:

    Romans 10:9

    faith:

    Ephesians 2:8

    hearing:

    Romans 10:17

    repent and be baptized:

    Acts 2:38

    keep commandments:

    John 15:10

    love:

    Matthew 22:37-40

    There are many more. Some falsely assume by obeying God they are doing 'works' and that is 'bad', therefore, obeying God is 'bad'. No, that's not what the Bible says, and obeying doesn't mean you're saved by works or that people who obey believe that.

    My last comment is that James and Paul are consistent. Some assume Paul was anti-works, but only if you cherry pick a few verses and ignore large parts of his book can that conclusion be drawn. Paul was very much pro-obedience as the following verses demonstrate:

    Romans 2:9-10

    1 Peter 1:5

    1 Cor 9:24-27

    Hebrews 6:4-6

    Galatians 5:1-4

    2 Timothy 2:10

    Hebrews 10:26

    2 Corinthians 5:10


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