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and your right and here is proof. Genesis 2:9

"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."

The clearest Scripture is in Psalm 33:6-9. Other Scriptures: Hebrews 1:2, 11:3, may help.

Where the world's made by the one true God by the hands of God, or spoken into existence.

Isaiah 45:5-7 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. 7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Dylan, you've touched on several aspects of God's dealing with us.

Firstly, when the Bible speaks of 'election' it means that God had in the distant past selected those that would be His children, receive His favour & partake of His Kingdom. Israel is said to be His elect (e.g. Isaiah 45:4) & now those also who have now come to Him for salvation through Jesus Christ His Son (e.g. Colossians 3:12). So if a person does not fall into those categories (i.e. Israel & those born again of God's Spirit), they are not classified as the Elect of God. If a person leads a good life & is generous with his goods to others, this still does not make him acceptable to God, since not one person, bar Christ, was ever good enough to please God ( Romans 3:10, 23).

Now, there's another word similar in meaning to 'election', & that is 'predestination'. These words are almost interchangeable except 'predestination' is used exclusively to born again believers who have been predestined (again, we were appointed before time), to partake in the adoption process. That is, believers might have been elected to be partakers of Kingdom Life, but we have also been appointed to go through the adoption process whereby God, in Love & Mercy, takes someone not in His original family & brings him into His family because of his faith in Jesus Christ. (see Ephesians 1:5, 11). So as a result of our adoption, our predestination into God's Family includes that we don't have Hell as our destiny, but Heaven.

The Bible doesn't speak of any other place where people who die can go to, except Heaven or Hell. Some religions teach falsely of an intermediary place (e.g. purgatory), for a period of further cleansing so as to enter Heaven, but Jesus always taught that there are only two places ( Matthew 18:1-11, for an example of either entering Heaven or Hell). And the decision we make on Earth now determines where our eventual destiny will be. Some mistakenly believe they are on the right way but..for Proverbs 14:12.

Isaiah 45:5-8 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded theeThat they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.

Isaiah 45 v 5

God states that there is No God beside me .

This was way before Jesus ascension up into heaven , correct ?

So now Jesus is sitting at the Fathers right hand beside God .

Would God still say this now ?

Yes Jesus was not there before , and no man hath seen God , but now the man Jesus is at Gods right hand .

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV) I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. It couldn't be clearer. God told Isaiah that He creates evil. And what about Jobs words? Job 2:10 And he said to her: Thou hast spoken like one of the foolish women: If we have received good things at the hand of God, why should we not receive evil?

HELL OR NO HELL

Amos 3:7 Surely, the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.



Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto the; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet, and shall call thee, The city of the Lord, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.



Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

Hallelujah! glory to the one and true god, even the lord jesus christ

Karen, I don't read or refer to Ecclesiasticus (Ben Sira), however, there is similar verse in Isaiah 45:7: "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

To read that the LORD makes peace and creates evil can be disturbing to us. I checked on the Hebrew word for Evil as written in this verse: it is 'ra:'. And this speaks not of sin as we understand sin, but of 'adversity or calamity', as when 'evil (a calamity, suffering) may come upon us. So does God even do evil or want to do this to us? Well, He does, in a sense. In this context, it shows that when there is absence of Peace, whether in a person's heart or in worldly affairs, then there must be adversity. A little like Truth & Lies (they are 'absolutes'): if the Truth is not spoken, then the words must be a lie - and there cannot be a mix of Truth & Lies - then it's no longer Truth. So to, the presence of Peace cancels out 'evil'. So the opposite is true: if there is adversity, then no peace.

So we can't understand this verse as God making it a point to create adversity (evil) for us, rather, that in the absence of His Peace, He permits adversity to be present. It seems to be our choice: if His Peace reigns in us, then no spiritual or emotional calamity will be ours. If we sin, if we're disobedient to His Spirit, then the result is turmoil within.

The word evil has two meanings. One is wickedness by men. The other is catastrophes by God, such as the Judgement by the global flood.

Someone sent this to me. I have loosely titled: Tolerance of evil.

"Our great and mighty God, who created all things; even evil

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. ( Isaiah 45:7)

Has pulled the plug on this evil world. He ALLOWED all this to happen....ok if you don't want Me in your nation and you allow your enemies to invade your land with their idols and their sorceries and witchcraft and gods of wood and gods of stone who neither see nor hear....you want to pass your children through the fire of abortion and have your men marry men and your women marry women....

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. ( Revelation 18:2)

....and I will send a famine, not just of food but also of the Word.....no more will the voice of the Bride be heard or the voice of the Bridegroom......you want to kick me out of your nation.....welcome to your New Boss

Judgment begins at the house of the Lord then the cup of His indignation is poured out on everyone else, who have taken the mark and who blaspheme the Most High. Woe unto them"

From Gwynn Matthews on Isaiah 45:7

>>I truly believe that God created good and evil so that we can have a choice...

More to the point, Free Will is the single best gift God the Father has given us. No other entities that God has created in the entire Universe has been so gifted. We human beings are unique.

It's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. In fact it is exalted by not only King Cyrus but the 3 Magi who came to Jesus on His birth after following the star from the East - or Persia.

it's interesting that King Cyrus is called anointed since King Cyrus wasn't a Jew. He was a Magi or Zoroastrian. That means that Magiism or Zoroastrianism is the only religion not condemned in the Bible. Actually there is one other but it is merely a sect of the oldest living religion that Christians think is a 4-letter word.

2nd esdras 2:18

Here is the chapter and verse I forgot to include Isaiah 45:7

You did not see God.

That was Satan...

Exodus 33:20

Chris,

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Concerning the three heaven and earth AGES; reference will again be pointed toward the entire chapter of 2nd Peter chapter 3. This might give you a clearer understanding of these separate DISPENSATIONS OF TIME (not the formation of three separate heavens and earths). For reference I will again state that "the world that then was" ( 2 Peter 3:6) refers to the first dispensation of time. "The heavens and earth which are now" ( 2 Peter 3:7) refers to the second dispensation of time (the time we are presently living in from Adam until now). And "a new heavens and a new earth" ( 2 Peter 3:13) refer to the time period that all God fearing humans are waiting for; also look at Isaiah 65:17, Isaiah 66:12, Revelations 21:1.

My question concerning Satan brings into light the three dispensations of time; as Scripture would be most difficult to understand without comprehension of them.

The fall of Satan happened in the first earth and heaven age and was the reason for the end of that particular time period. Information regarding this can be found (as you stated) in Isaiah 14:12-20, Isaiah 45:18, 19, Jeremiah 4:22-29, and Ezekiel 28:12-19, as they are descriptive figurative statements revealing him to us. Not a page of God's word could be turned without the use of figurative language; which is employed to emphasize a truth and reveal a deeper understanding of the topic being discussed.

Therefore, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth." Genesis 1:1. That was the first earth age.

Found in first half of Genesis 1:2 is the result of the end of the first dispensation of time (due to the rebellion of Satan); hence, the earth was (became) without form and void.

Found in the second half of Genesis 1:2 is the first act of the second dispensation of time; hence, the Spirit of God moving upon the waters.

So much unrest going on. Just like Revelations shows. God warned us. Mankind and the evilness will destroy now what we once knew. Today l look at all the creations God put for us. He always wanted the best for us. Mankind destroyed it. God is a Mighty God. He takes and takes mankinds greed of me me me. The Evil laughs when we destroy it. God gets angry. I always have wrote about how He put the Earth for us because His Love is so Strong. I know. I had a after death. Saw Heaven. Saw Jesus and His Father. Saw the book of Life. Saw his Strong Light of Love for us. I would never hurt Him. I came back to show others His Love. Did not want too come back. But they had me doing something in the end days. I had a Destiny I had to do. I felt Hell going back down the tunnel. Beware all of you that don't have God in your Life. Beware....in these days. Everyday now is not your own. That virus that started this is going to come back worse then ever. Wars..space travel. Comets from the sky...weather as never before...will take everyone by surprise. You will be controlled more and more. Food...gas...where you go..how you had your freedom will silently close in on you. Seek every day your families and friends -and what you do -to the fullest. Always Praise our Mighty God for letting you have another day....Read His words and get on your knees for help. Stand Strong!!!

I am here

The fullness of time has come for me to ask you "Who is in charge of your life, God or Satan? Don't be deceived, know that it is God except you want to turn the hand of the clock anticlockwise, then be prepared to in cure the wrath of God if you don't fear this glorious and awesome name" THE LORD YOUR GOD "then the LORD will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plagues, prolonged plagues -and serious and prolonged sickness ( Deuteronomy 28:58-59 NKJV). Mankind has always taken God for a ride, but do you know why some persons are afraid of this Corona Virus Disease. (COVID 19) pandemic, which God has set to expose the dilapidation and the infrastructural decay of the health sector in my country, Nigeria, due to bad government that had institutionalized corruption, but are not only being exposed today, but they are now being restricted from going abroad for medical vacation, as they are now forced to their vomit, though men are not afraid of God Almighty who is the initiator of both the good and evil, Who make peace and create calamity ( Isaiah 45:7), Who has also promised to you, " To bring on you all the diseases of Egypt, or which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written on this book of the Law" ( Deuteronomy 28:60-61NKJV) The fear of COVID 19, NOW in Nigeria, is the acceptance of God Almighty.

Isaiah was the first one to learn about the messiah (Jesus Christ).

Amen Marie,

If I might add, in the creation account back in Genesis, if you notice during creation, after day one through day 6 of creation, after each day it says it was good. But if you notice the seventh day, it doesn't say it was good. That's because we are still in the seventh day right now. And during this entire time frame, man has been evil.

I believe everything God created is good, man has created evil.

Not everyone would see it that way. God bless. Matthew 12:36-37

Adam, thank you for alerting me to Mt 5:22: re: fool. That Scripture refers to the use of the word (Raca) when it is directed to the person in anger: Thou fool = you worthless, good for nothing idiot. How you can apply that word usage to describe someone's thoughts or standing before God as a risky position is beyond my knowledge of our language. Should I clarify further with Scriptures, of which there are many & you would be well aware of: Gal 3:1,3; Mt 7:26; 25:2,3,8; Rom 1:21, 2:20, 10:19. In all these references, which are akin to my usage, the word 'foolish' is lawful in its use, & not to be associated with direct 'name calling', which is undoubtedly under girded with the sin of anger. Blessings.

Greetings Adam, I overall agree with your statement that the Lord did not create evil however....

Isaiah 45:7 I (Lord) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Darkness is absence of light. The Lord created everything good as in Genesis 1: 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

All God created was good, no evil yet Job 38 records the sons of God shouting for joy at the foundation of the earth. So they must be angels since Adam did not exist till 6 days after the earth. Lucifer was in existence and been good.

Ezekiel 28 records the fall of Lucifer

Verse 15 "Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

Created, not born or formed...

Yes God created Lucifer good who you point out rightfully that he had freewill to fall and he became evil. Since God created all he did evil to

God doesn't create evil, but allows evil, because he allows freewill to choose right or wrong. Satan is allowed to tempt us just as God allowed Job to be tempted and tested. We are all being tested while here on earth.

BTW, Chris I think its risky to call someone foolish or a fool because of Matthew 5:22.