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Could you share which Bible you're reading it as, 'lion and lamb'? Does this affect Isaiah 66:25 as well? I would like to think that I'm not blinded because of such error - that's why I ask you to show me where I can find 'lion and lamb'. If there has been a change, where/when was it done?

The favor of God can be described as "tangible evidence that a person has the approval of the Lord." When we favor someone, we want to be with him or her. We delight in him/her. We connect with him/her in a way we don't connect with everyone else. We usually favor people who also favor us. IN THE SAME WAY, God shows favor to the ones who delight in, connect with, and give honor to Him. Isaiah 66:2 says, "These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word." 2 Chronicles 16:9 says, "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong on behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him." To be "perfect" toward Him means we seek His favor more than we seek the favor of anyone else, even ourselves.

Proverbs 8:35; "For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favor of the LORD."

Psalms 5:12 "For thou, Lord, wilt bless the righteous; with favor wilt thou compass him as with a shield."

Proverbs 3:4; "So shalt thou find favor and good understanding in the sight of God and man."

Satisfy me Lord with favor and fill me with blessing in the name of Jesus!

In the mighty name of Jesus, I claim...

-help reading your Word, daily

- divine wisdom from your Word

- patience with my family

- divine favor in family and business

- prosperity, bless tithes and offerings

-shield me from satanic attacks

-help finding a better job, home

- lend me angelic support

- the release of finances

Isaiah 26:3

You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you.

Luke 13:11; John 5:5; Acts 10:38; Acts 3:2; Acts 4:9

Speaking words of faith strengthen your spirit. Stay strong and you will be blessed for it.

Olivier Daniel 10 We pray to God to ask for things needed because he a giver. That being said God is spirit

he is also Almighty all knowing Eternal omnipresent and omnipotent which means he's not afar off. Gods word uses

figure of speech which are grammatical explanations to define God which we can better understand Him because

He is spirit. That's why example Isaiah 66:1 Heavens His throne thrown earth is his footstool so he's got long legs

and feet right nope its attributing to God human characteristics. Also God is a fountain of living water, God is not

a man that he should lie. God is my fortress, my shield and buckler. These are just some examples. So when it

comes to prayer humbly ask believing and ye shall receive, he knows what you need before you do.

I was quoting Jesus in that case, who says that God is able to destroy both body and soul in hellfire. Matthew 10:28.

The Bible teaches us two resurrections: one for the just, and one for the unjust. John 5:28-29. The righteous are resurrected at the second coming of Christ, and those who are alive and remain at His coming are given new bodies at that time. 1 Thess 4:13-17; 1 Cor 15:51-53. After the thousand years, the unjust are resurrected, and at that time they face their judgment, which is total annihilation (and not without suffering). Revelation 20:4.

When Christ speaks of the worm that dies not, he is quoting from a passage in Isiaiah: Isaiah 66:24. This verse speaks of worms eating on the corpses of dead men. It is the worm that does not die, but the people are well dead, for they are merely corpses. There is no reason we should interpret worm here to mean "immortal soul," for there is no such thing. The soul that sins shall die: Ezekiel 18:4

The word Jesus uses in Mark 9:44,46 is Gehenna, which was a place of refuse. They kept the piles of garbage there burning so that it would be consumed away. This is the illustration Jesus employed for the fires of hell: fires which burn up all the garbage and get rid of it.

As for whether cessation from existence or eternal conscious torment are more terrifying to the wicked man... How many atheists have been made out of the doctrine of eternal conscious torment, which is not true? They reject God because they think He is a monster, when in reality He is not. How are we supposed to love God with all of our heart if He is more sadistic than the worst madman we can imagine? That's precisely why the devil loves this doctrine.

Revelation 20:11-15 describes the wicked, as well as death and hell, being cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire here is symbolic of total destruction. Death is being abolished, as well as the grave, as well as all the wicked and all sin.

Brother Rick:

Revelation 21:24 And the nations of them that are SAVED shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

Revelation 21:25 And the gates of it SHALL NOT BE SHUT at all by day, for there shall be no night there.

Revelation 21:26 And they (the saved) shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

Isaiah 66:18-24

Hi Rick. I was citing the following Scriptures: Isaiah 66:5 and Jeremiah 5:22. In both verses, the narrative around them was to warn His people that God is a God Who cannot be taken lightly, ignored or despised. Israel & Judah were in every sense, God's chosen & beloved ( Jeremiah 31:1-3) - no matter whatever they did to displease Him, they remained his precious possession ( Ezekiel 44:28), but they would suffer under His Hand if they disobeyed. Yet, they continued to do so even to despising the Messiah of God & crucifying Him.

While the natural branches of the olive tree were cut off so that those who call upon the Name of Jesus, might be engrafted in ( Romans 11:16-20), the engrafted ones (the adopted children of God), are in no more favourable position than what Israel enjoyed as being the 'natural branches of the tree'. We can indeed call Him 'Abba', come to Him anywhere, anytime, anyhow, & enjoy His Gracious Presence through His Spirit, but if we hold Him in awe & wonder, we also demonstrate that through our treatment of His Glory & Holiness & with the Word which He has given us.

My reference to all this was to how we ought to read, understand & share God's Word. This is not a history book or novel that we can gloss over & give our impressions based on personal beliefs & sentiments, but the Word of God that requires careful, prayerful, & spiritual handling, both for our own exercises & for others. Given we have such a Book & such an Holy God, can we give them any less reverence & fear than those to whom God gave a sampling of His Glory ( Exodus 3:4-6; Isaiah 6:1-5; Ezekiel 1:28; Revelation 15:4-8). Israel could only approach God through the ministry of God's High priest & they enjoyed His blessings. We approach the same God through our High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ, providing us such an access. Yet, the God of Israel has never changed - His love is the same - our stance before Him & His Word must be the same: one of great seriousness & carefulness.

Brother Ronald. Those (CHOSEN) have their part in the first resurrection (Christ's resurrection). The chosen want be in the second resurrection.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection of the dead (we are dead in our trespasses, sinful flesh) ....

Luke 20:36 Neither can they die anymore (they died the first death, their life for the life of Christ), for they are equal unto the angel; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it (the SEED) a body as it has pleased him, and to every SEED his (CHRIST'S) own body.

The chosen are called to be priest, under their High Priest, Christ, in the kingdom on earth, when all other flesh has been resurrected, to judgement.

Jeremiah 51:19-23

Isaiah 65:12-17

Isaiah 66:18-24

The above scriptures, and others not listed, is the white throne judgement.

Brother Dan, the throne of God is a LITERAL PHYSICAL place, CHRIST IN YOU. As Christ is the throne of his Father, because the Father indwells Christ, Christ indwells you, making you the THRONE of the Father, Son and you.

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh, I will grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a NEW HEAVEN..... the NEW dwelling place and the NEW throne of God..CHRIST IN YOU

Isaiah 66:1 ........where is the THE HOUSE ye built unto me

Hebrews 3:6 ...But Christ as a son over his own house, whose HOUSE WE ARE

Isaiah 66:1 .......and where is my place of REST.....The Father and His Son Jesus Christ and YOU are at REST TOGETHER in the NEW heaven, the NEW temple made without hands, the NEW place of worship ( John 4:19-22).

Cease from your works as God has ceased from his works, the WORKS were FINISHED at the cross.

The only LABOUR left is to bring man TO KNOWLEDGE

Isaiah 5:13 Therefore my people go into captivity, because they have no KNOWLEDGE: and their honourable men are famished, and their multitudes dried up with thirst.

I believe that Gods/Jesus thrown "is Heaven". All of Heaven.

Isaiah 66:1

"Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?"

The throne of God should not be thought of as a literal throne. God the Father is nonphysical. So not having a physical body, God does not " virtually sit." When we envision a divine throne it is akin to biblical allusions to God's "hand" or "mouth" or "eyes"-they are nonmaterial.

Hope this helps to put "throne" in perspective.

God Bless

Sister LaTonya,

Isaiah 57:15

Psalms 34:18

Psalms 51:17

Isaiah 66:2

These are the scriptures that the Lord put on my heart as I was praying for you. I added you to my personal prayer wall here at home.

I believe The Lord is doing some thing great for you! I don't know exactly what it is, He didn't tell me :-) But please be encouraged He's very near you! Please repost your prayer request every few days. So that it is visible to all those who pray.

Amen R L W.

God bless you Sir.

Thank you for responding and for blessing me with the word. Like I was saying my brother in-law believes that a Christian must keep the Sabbath to be saved ,but to fill you in on some other things concerning my brother in-law. I'm guessing that he thinks he is Jewish and he doesn't believe in the Holy Spirit and he also believes that Jesus was a prophet or teacher and that we will have our own planet to rule. I believe totally different. I believe that Jesus is my Savior and I believe in the trinity ( the Father , the Son & the Holy Spirit.

Lindsey carter,

The Sabbath is and has always been the seventh day of the week, Constantine made a Sunday law in 321 A.D. The Roman Catholic Church at the Council of Laodicea - 364 A.D, this council was held to stop the Sabbath-keeping tendencies in the Eastern Roman Empire. The Council of Laodicea (Nicolaitans), produced sixty rulings, or canons, covering a broad range of topics. Doctrines other than Sunday were written by them and the penalties for not obeying them that has continued until today.

The New Testament tells us that trying to seek justification before God by keeping any part of the law automatically makes us responsible to keep the entire law. You will either stand before God and be judged by the law, or you will be established in the righteousness that comes by faith in Jesus Christ. Consider the following verses.

Read these and show your brother-in-law, ( Romans 3:20-24) ( Romans 14:2-6,13) ( Galatians 3:11-13) ( Colossians 2:11-16) There are more scripture you can find.

Regardless of what you may believe, man does not have the authority to change any law that God made and Jesus Christ fulfilled, especially how they changed it and the reason it was changed, but you cannot call Sunday the Sabbath. We are not to judge anyone for going to a church on Sunday or any day of the week. We are to worship in spirit regardless of where or what day, hopefully, every day. "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law".

God bless,

RLW

Sister Lindsey,

No man can judge that you will go to hell, only God can make that final judgement call.

It is true, God gave man the Sabbath Day as a gift to rest our bodies and minds, and set aside and spend special time giving thanks to our creator. It has been well known and celebrated throughout history that the Sabbath Day referred to by God has been observed on Saturday the last day of the week. No man can change what God gave as a 4th commandment.

Jesus said below:

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

So yes, God encourages his children to keep his 10 commandments.

Good Bless.

Hi lindsey.

colossians 2:8-17. beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after christ.

for in him dwelleth all the fulness of the godhead bodily.

and ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of christ:

buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of god, who hath raised him from the dead.

and you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

( blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; )

and having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

( let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the [ sabbath days:] )

which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of christ.

a shadow is just a figure of what is actual.

god bless

Simply tell him to read Corinthians,.. " Jesus became our passova "

Your brother-in-law is a fear monger. The statutes have changed. In 312 AD Constantine changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Keep the Sabbath in your heart.

Ask him when the Jewish Sabbath starts/ends, and if he says anything other than "Friday at sundown through Saturday at sundown", put him in his place. Let me know how it works out.

I have been told over and over by a brother in-law that if I don't observe the Sabbath every Saturday that I am going straight to hell. What is your belief or thought on this

Brother Adam, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Most Christians believe that at the judgement of the world the wicked will be cast into LITERAL FIRE for all ETERNITY.

If this is true then it make those scriptures that say ALL will OBEY and WORSHIP GOD a LIE; therefore the ones that believe this are calling God a LIAR.

Revelation 13:8 And ALL that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 15:4 ....for ALL NATIONS shall come and WORSHIP before THEE ....

Revelation 3:9 ...I WILL MAKE THEM to come and WORSHIP before thy feet.....

Psalms 22:27 ALL the ends of the world shall REMEMBER and TURN (repent) unto the LORD, and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.

Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass .....shall ALL flesh come to WORSHIP before me..

You can't have an ETERNAL LITERAL FIRE torturing God's creation and a SAVIOUR of man exist together: be careful which one you chose.

Most believe hell wins: FEW find the way!

I walk along and I hear his voice. He puts his arm around my back as we walk along! He is calming, the voice most would only dream to hear! He comforts me and assures me I am not alone! He says only a little while longer, and you will be with me in paradise!

I hear Him say go forward now and confess me to all I bring you too! Show them who I am ! Let them see the power of the holy spirit! Be not afraid, they have no power then that what I give them! Carry on my faithful servant, and know I am with you.

Sacha, it is possible that the OT folk knew something of a suffering beyond the grave, but I agree that there's not a lot mentioned in that respect. We could look at Daniel 12:2: "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." Here the thought is that those who die will awake (resurrection?), some to everlasting life & some to everlasting contempt. So even if one doesn't believe in a never-ending suffering, this verse shows that the dead don't remain dead but arise to some sort of judgement & punishment that doesn't end.

Isaiah 30:33: "For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it." In this verse, the word "Tophet" is used & in the Greek (NT) is translated as Gehenna. This was a place near Jerusalem, in which the idolatrous Israelites used to offer up their children to Moloch. It may be put, for any place of torment; and particularly it is put for hell. "For the king": For the king of Assyria. "Fire": He alludes to the ancient custom, of burning sacrifices, and particularly of burning children to Moloch. "The breath": The immediate Hand of God, or His Word of anger. "Brimstone": alludes to that shower of fire and brimstone seen in Gen 19:24. Though this verse doesn't speak of an after death judgement, it reveals its counterpart in the NT.

You can also look at Isaiah 66:22-24. So I can't say why there was not more written about this subject in the OT & even among Jews there are different camps as to what to believe. For me, I think it sufficient that Jesus spoke very clearly about it & treated the everlasting suffering of the sinner as real & it was for this reason He came so that none should fall under the Hand of God ( Hebrews 10:31).

As I am looking forward to a reply from Earl I want to make another post. No rush Earl you have stated your situation.

As Adam has stated in another post I cannot see ALL being saved in the end as how many Scriptures there are about people going to eternal damnation or "Hell". Some can't see a loving God be like this to people for say only sinning in the span of their physical life. Though I don't think anyone can perceive how serious sin is to a Perfect, Pure, Almighty God. Also in that it is not the pleasure of God that any should perish. The Lord will not turn away any that truly come to Him. Then on the day of Judgement when the books are opened. People may be shown how many times in their lives God has tried to lead them to Salvation in Jesus Christ and repentance of sins. Maybe just repentance before the Lord came to earth. All up to Him as He is fair.

So here are a couple more Scriptures I find that solidify this. Even at the end of Isaiah 66:23-24. Speaking of all flesh coming to worship Him though just the next verse it speaks of how bad it will be for those who are against Him. Daniel 12:2, Psalms 9:17, 2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 6:8, 1 Peter 4:17-19, 2 Peter 3:7. Our names written in Heaven which does not seem to be for all Luke 10:20.

How Jesus Christ spake of a "Hell" and tried to warn people of it a lot. A place of "wailing and gnashing of teeth". Eternal punishment as those who are saved eternal life. The same Greek word used "aionios" for "everlasting or without beginning or end".

The story of Lazarus and there being two places separate from each other after death. Luke 16:20-31.

Weather it be sheol, hades, gehenna, tartarus, or just hell I want nothing to do with any of those places. I believe God loves us so much He sent us these warnings in that we do not have to go there. Though if any reject Him He will not force anyone to be with Him.

A good saying. "If you are born twice(born again in the Spirit) you die once, born once die twice".

Msconnie, may the Spirit (truth) grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Very FEW understand the kingdom or heaven or HEAVEN or THE GOSPEL or the good news.

WHERE DOES GOD DWELL?

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God IS WITHIN YOU.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God DWELLETH in you?

1 Kings 8:27 But will God indeed DWELL ON THE EARTH? behold the HEAVEN and HEAVEN OF HEAVENS cannot contain THEE; how much less this HOUSE (TEMPLE) that I have builded?

Hebrews 3:6 For Christ is a Son over his own HOUSE; whose HOUSE WE ARE....

Hebrews 9:1-2 .....WE have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the THRONE ( Isaiah 66:1) of the majesty in the HEAVENS; (YOU)

(vs 2) A minister of the sanctuary, and TRUE TABERNACLE, which the Lord pitched and not man.

Psalms 148:4 Praise him, YE HEAVEN OF HEAVENS...

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in HEAVEN....

Hebrews 12:23

Romans 8:29

Colossians 1:27 .....CHRIST IN YOU

You never die if ye are born of the SPIRIT you just change bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:51-58

S Spencer, the Spirit has graced, and is gracing, you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding (of two to make one new man). You quoted Joel 3:2, do you think the war in the valley of Jehoshaphat is the spiritual warfare spoken of by Paul, or are you of the opinion it is natural. The Spirit has led me to believe it spiritual war. I know by previous comments you understand that the elect will judge the world. What has the Spirit revealed to you about this judgement. The Spirit has revealed to me that THE BOOKS ( Revelation 20:12) or symbolic of the ones judging. The Spirit has put a great hunger and thirst in me to study and understand the prophecies. You understand that the Spirit is assembling a nation of priest and judges. The Spirit has revealed to me that this nation of priest will judge and bring to truth all those raised after these elect have been gathered. Isaiah 66:14-24, 1 Timothy 4:10, Psalms 22:27 Paul taught for two years the kingdom of heaven out of the law and prophets. Acts 28:23-31, Luke 16:31 I love reading the comments of those the SPIRIT IS WORKING in to bring ALL to HIS TRUTH.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the UNITY of the FAITH, and of THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE SON OF GOD, unto a perfect man (of two to make one new man), unto the measure of the STATURE AND FULNESS OF CHRIST.

Isaiah 66:17 In the day of The Lord those believing they are upright by the law shall have their hypocrisy revealed.

For the Father hath put all things into the hands of His Son, Christ Jesus.

By fire and by the sword (the Spirit of God and the Word of God) The Lord will see to it that they which foolishly deny The Lord's power and omnipotence are consumed by the letter of the law.

Hi Steve, I believe that you described the narrow path to God's salvation perfectly. thank you

Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

1 Corinthians Chapter 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? 56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.

I truly believe that the cross of christ was not the end but the beginning we make the cross of

christ of none effect by laying aside what it was that was crucified , jesus over came in the garden when he said not my will but thy will be done . what went to the cross was for the purpose of fulfilling the prophesy what went to the cross was death itself... what we should be focused on is the resurrection three days was jonah in the belly of the whale three days was christ in the grave... when lazarus was asleep his sister mentioned to jesus that she knew that he would resurrect in the final resurrection what did jesus say he said i am the resurection.

be ye doers of the word and not hearers only decieving you own selves.

we all have our own cross to bare take up your cross and follow him.... your cross is dying out to self.... through the spirit, your cross is doing the will of god.

Do not be confused and led astray. Swine is unclean and the most High have never said it is okay to eat it. This is a future prophecy. The most High does not change. He is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore. Do not be led astray by these men who do not know the bible.

2 Peter 3:16

as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are UNLEARNED and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own DESTRUCTION.

Barbara, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding. The traditions of man has distorted the true gospel. The traditions of man teaches heaven is a natural place with natural streets, natural buildings, natural walls and we exist much like we exist now; but the word of God teaches heaven is a person in a glorified body with no need for streets or houses or any thing existing in a natural state.

John 3:13 No man has ascended up to heaven, but he (Christ in the same glorified body he existed in as Jehovah in the old testament) that came down from heaven (and became flesh), even the Son of man which is in heaven (now back in the glorified body he had before).

Let's try to comprehend what is depicted as (spiritual) heaven (where the Spirit dwells).

1 Corinthians 3:17 Know ye not that ye are the TEMPLE OF GOD, and the SPIRIT OF GOD dwelleth in you.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus saith the Lord (the Father), The heaven is my throne, and the earth (dust, flesh) is my footstool: where is the house that ye (Christ) build unto me? and where is the place of my (SPIRIT) rest?

Psalm 127:1 Except the Lord (Christ) build the house, they labour in vain .....

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a Son over his own house, whose house we are....

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame and am sit down with my Father in his throne.

John 17:21 That they ALL MAY BE ONE as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that THEY also may be ONE in us.....

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto....

1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a Moment....Death is swallowed up in victory.

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men (we are dead in our trespasses) shall Live, TOGETHER WITH MY (CHRIST) DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE....

Revelation 20:5 .....This is the FIRST RESURRECTION.

Luke 20:34-36 .....Being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

John 14:2 In my Fathers house are many mansions...

The favor of God can be described as "tangible evidence that a person has the approval of the Lord." When we favor someone, we want to be with him or her. We delight in him/her. We connect with him/her in a way we don't connect with everyone else. We usually favor people who also favor us. IN THE SAME WAY, God shows favor to the ones who delight in, connect with, and give honor to Him. Isaiah 66:2 says, "These are the ones I look on with favor: those who are humble and contrite in spirit, and who tremble at my word." 2 Chronicles 16:9 says, "For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show himself strong on behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him." To be "perfect" toward Him means we seek His favor more than we seek the favor of anyone else, even ourselves.