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And Mary Jay,

I am sorry you do not believe what God has said in scripture in the citations I gave you.

Is. 44:6

Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and His redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is NO God."

vs. 8

"Fear not, neither be afraid; have I not told thee from that time, and have declared it? Is there a God beside me? yea, there is NO God, I know not any." And God does know all things, so we cannot be gods.

Is. 45:5

"I am the LORD, and there is NONE else, there is NO God beside me..."

vs. 18

"I.... am the LORD, there is NONE else."

vs. 21

"..there is NO God else beside me; a just God and a Savior; there is NONE beside me."

Is. 46:5

"To whom will you liken me, and make my equal, and compare me, that we may be like?"

vs. 9

'Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is NO else, I am God, and there is NONE like me."

In just Isaiah, God says over and over again that there is only one God in all of creation, and HE ALONE is this sole God. There are no other gods, no other for us to call gods because other gods do not exist in reality, only in the imaginations of one's minds and in the images we create or the men we idolize, even ourselves.

Earl, you can quote the few verses that speak of men being gods, such as Ps. 82:6 and Jesus reference to this verse in John 10:34 and the reference to Moses being "as" God to Pharoah in Exodus 7:1 all you want, but the meaning of these verses is that the judges and Moses were representing God before other men, not that they are actually gods in their nature because He has made it abundantly clear that He is the ONLY God that exists.

Earl, those of us who say that the view that we are gods is heresy say so on the basis of what I have explained about the verses you quote and the verses where God says He is the ONLY God. To profess belief that men are gods is heresy. It is usurping God as the sole God of all creation. It breaks the 1st commandment.

Sister Gigi:

I have never said we are gods;

I QUOTED what GOD said:

Psalms 82:6

Isaiah 41:23

John 10:34

The scriptures are Christ's WORDS, not mine.

I'm sorry you don't believe what Christ says.

But Christ SAID, men would believe the words of other men, before they would believe his words, and his words WILL NOT return unto him VOID, but will accomplish that which I please.

Isaiah 55:11

God Bless YOU!

Mary Jay (Earl)

We have been this route before many times and many others on here have given you many Scriptures that repute your position that in actuality we are gods.

Psalm 82:6 is speaking of the judges appointed over Israel when they had possessed the land. God is judging these judges as being mere men, not gods. He is mocking them because they dealt corruptly with the people. If they truly were gods they would not have cheated widows and orphans, preferred the cause of the rich, profited from their position, nor been flippant towards God and His requirements of them to 'stand among the people in His place' (thus the term of calling them gods). God was not proclaiming that these judges were in fact gods, but that those who are appointed to judge others are to judge as if God were judging through them. Jesus refers to this passage after He declared that He was one with the Father ( John 10:30) and the leaders wanted to stone Him for making Himself God. He quotes this Psalm as a rebuttal, not to affirm that the judges were in actuality gods, but that, if the leaders accept that Scripture as true, why would they be offended if He calls Himself the Son of God and one with God. He was calling the leaders out on their double mindedness and lack of understanding of the Scriptures though they knew them backwards and forwards.

Earl, God has stated so many times that He alone is God and there are no other gods, even though man may call idols gods or men gods. Just because man may consider idols or men gods does not make them gods.

There is only one God. And He is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and no others. He has forbidden making any gods of our own, whether idols or persons.

Your preoccupation with being a god is concerning. Why not humbly accept that we are mere humans created to be humans forever, though we are adopted as children of God through Jesus, not by our own constitution or nature, but by the grace and wisdom of God.

Read Is. 44:6; 45:5; 46:9

Hello Jema,

Since it seems you responded to my post I will respond to you. I have never reported anyone on this site or advocated for anyone to be banned. If the administration determines that someone should not be allowed to post then that is their prerogative.

The veracity of whether Jesus is God or not is not a matter of how many people believe it is true or not. Biblical truth is not determined democratically by consensus of the majority or minority. True doctrine is determined by what Scripture says to be true.

Even though billions of Christians believe Jesus is God does not make it true.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....'

John 1:14

"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us , full of grace and truth; we beheld his glory, as of the ONLY Son of the Father."

John 10:30 Jesus says,

"I and the Father are one"

Just in these few verses we have Scripture stating that Jesus is God and is that the Father and Son are one together, though distinct persons.

Later on in John 14:16-17, Jesus says that He will ask the Father to send the Spirit. Thus naming EACH Person in the One God.

I think that true doctrine is important and beneficial to believers and that false doctrine is corrupting to a believer. That is why I speak out concerinng doctrine that is opposed to revealed truth in Scripture, especially doctrine concerning the identity, character, nature and work of our Savior.

Jema, I respect that you do wish to ignore or pass over postings that do not agree with your viewpoint.

And I respect that you prefer to speak what you believe without having others speak in disagreement of what you state as your beliefs.

This is a discussion forum, primarily, and not simply a place for people to post their beliefs without expecting a response. But each of us engage on this forum as we see fit as we prayerfully consider what others post and seek the Lord's guidance in how or if we respond to a posting.

In John 10: 1 Why is He capitalize in the verse.

Brotherraybrown

What does the Word of GOD say?

Re.11:4 - These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. (Whatsoever is more than these or is added comes of evil).

The two olive trees

are to produce oil for the two candlesticks.

They are the Old and the New Testaments-i.e. the Word of GOD-, the Word is GOD, understand? John 1:1

The two candlesticks

are two Churches: The Jewish Church - Hebrews 12:23; and Gentile Church: John 10:16

For example: Revelation 1:20 - ... the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches (of Asia).

Who will be in the scenary from now on or in this end of the time is Michael, a prince of the LORD sent by JESUS as the God of the earth (as Moses was sent as the God of Pharaoh), he appeared to John in the midst of the seven candlesticks as one like unto the Son of man. Now he will be in the midst of the two Churches -TWO CANDLESTICKS as above cited- and to the TWO OLIVE TREES above cited WILL BE(IS)given Power to shut heaven that it rain not in these days of THEIR prophecy: and have Power over waters (OVER PEOPLES, AND NATIONS, AND MULTITUDES OF ALL TONGUES-FOR HE THAT IS ABOVE IS ABOVE ALL- John 3:31-36) to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. The Word is GOD, self-executing, understand?

Be careful and get ready

The crux of the matter is that REAL miracles as well as Godly living in Christ Jesus WILL result in persecution and suffering. Such are scriptural concepts ( 2 Timothy 3:12 and other passages). The religious spirit of the Pharisees I am sure still is in operation and thus; hatred will result in true miracles as well as true salvation messages involving repentance and calling sin for what it is.

This would include preaching against ALL sin; including pride and hypocricy of individuals and society at large.

The threat against all of Satan's carefully networked aspects of society are many. Those who proclaim Christ are an economic threat; so a genuine conversion that starts to affect this system will bring imprisonment; no doubt. We see this now with the Pro Life movement; and indeed anything that gains any momentum attempting to restore traditional values. This is by no means unique to one particular political party or members of the establishment. There is economic gain to wars; like it or not by powers that be; just as there is influence by caving into popular concepts today where businesses are willing to forego economic sanity to position themselves with the world as others pull the strings.

We present Christ today; sadly often as a God of our imagination. We may have a vacuum that only God can fill but some never will seek it; and we are ALL enemies of God before salvation. Bringing the church down to the world to fill pews is backwards; we should challenge those who would follow Christ with the requirements of being a disciple and warnings of dangers of falling away for those who would glibly make a confession without counting the cost. Looking at Christ makes it clear; with the exception of the 12 Disciples He never actively sought others; but would often weed out those not willing to forsake all for Him. He had no place to lay His head; let alone a fancy building to preach in. The Son of Man came not to be served ( Mark 10:45)

A recurring theme in Jesus' conversations with His critics is that they are being willfully obstinate. Jesus' life and teachings align perfectly with the Scriptures these men know all too well-but they actively refuse to accept Him ( John 5:39-40). An intent to disbelieve, not a lack of knowledge, is their main problem ( John 7:17). Others have seen Jesus' miracles, and properly interpreted them as signs that He is divinely empowered ( John 3:1-2; 10:21). The men who threaten Him now, however, have proven they're opposed to God ( John 10:1-6) by crediting Jesus' miracles to Satan ( Mark 3:22).

Jesus will continue to answer in the next verse by reiterating the first of His three shepherding-related analogies from this chapter. This puts His answer in plain terms: I already told you who I was, but you're not going to listen.

Hello Ronald,

(Part 1 of 2):

Thank you for sharing your understanding on this topic. I always enjoy my discussions with you. We are in agreement that God is love. In fact, God is Agape, the highest form of love that exists. We are in agreement that God does not have pleasure in the death of the wicked. That's why He has provided a way for the wicked to be redeemed. We are in agreement that God does not want us to perish. Some take this word perish to mean cease to exist completely. Some teach annihilation. That, I do not agree with. I also don't agree that Hell is only the grave because both believers and non-believers alike are going to end up in a grave (unless the Lord comes for us first).

I agree that the bible tells in Ezekiel Chapter 18 that the soul that sinneth shall die. I believe it is the soul that makes up our entire being. Can our fleshly body exist without a soul? As far as salvation goes, did Christ come to redeem our flesh, or did He come to redeem our soul? I say that my soul has been redeemed, not my flesh. My flesh is rotten to the core! I agree that there are different degrees of punishment, but as you know, I also believe that whatever the degree of punishment is, it will be forever.

In my studies of the Greek, I have come to learn that the word for death means separation. This is why I believe that when our physical body of flesh dies, our soul will separate from our fleshly body. The body will rot and decay in the grave, not cease to exist as some say. I do not believe in soul sleep.

I do agree with you that eternal life is a promise. However, what we differ on is when this eternal life begins. For me, I believe I have eternal life right now. There are several verses in scripture that speak of eternal life/salvation being present tense ( 1 John 5:11, 1 John 5:13, John 17:3, John 10:28-30, John 3:36, John 4:14, 1 Timothy 6:12). These are just some verses that speak of eternal salvation being present, not future.

Part 2 to follow...

The LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE

Something amazing about that BOOK. Do you know why it's called the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE?

It is filled with the names of those of us who have LIFE, the LIFE of the BLESSED SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.

FULL of LIFE! Abundant LIFE! John 10:10 "The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have LIFE, and that they might have it more abundantly." What does it mean to have LIFE more abundant?

To be FULL of the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD, and to have HIS name written on our foreheads though the circumcision not made with hands Colossians 2:11 "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:" May we endeavor to keep to HIS fullness for we are complete in HIM. Colossians 2:10

Being renewed day by day. 2 Corinthians 4:16

Our hope is in JESUS, and not in the things of this world. So, yes, we prepare, and we equip ourselves as soldiers in the army of God, prepared for battle. Yet, we lean NOT on our own strength, but on His everlasting arms, because He is our strength, our shield.

We study to show ourselves approved of GOD. For we are not those who seek honor from men, but the honor that comes from God alone, and he gives us favor. "So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man." Proverbs 3:4

He is the MASTER potter, and we are the clay. May our lives be honorable unto Him, and him alone. For He alone is worthy to be praised. I magnify His name. His glorious name JESUS. All powerful is our LORD, and Savior Jesus Christ.

The grace of our Lord and Savior be with you. Amen

Hi Carleton.

Thanks, but this has something to do with "scripture" within the Church and more in line with Jude 1:3-4.

Jude was expressing his love and concern for the Church.

Life in Christ is not a flesh given effort to copy Christ.

It's a Spirit controlled life given by Christ barring fruit.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Here's one of those scriptures in context- John 10:12

"But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep."

The Shepherd laid down his life for the sheep!!

We as ambassadors and as sheep can atleast scream wolf.

Here's another.

Mathew 7:13-16.

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Do we just present scriptures of the Love of Christ and yet not present the scriptures that warns the ones we Love?

God bless.

I agree Bro. S. Spencer. And as many of us have been sharing on these pages for several years, we have almost become accustomed/immuned to varied & strange teachings that somehow seem to fit within the parameters of this Site's rules. I may not be as bold as you in exposing falsehoods, but have always wondered how and where such interpretations of Scripture emanate from.

Of course, we know that we can all be subject to various inputs, whether from the pulpit, media, Bible colleges, study helps, etc., & these all influence us greatly in how we must read the Bible & in what we must believe. But in my musings, I think one of the biggest culprits is simply, 'what we really WANT TO BELIEVE, regardless of how the Bible is directing us'. And examples of this I find are in the Deity of Christ, the relationship of the Old & New Covenants, eternal Judgement/Hell, faith & works, etc. So, if someone definitely believes that there cannot possibly be an eternal suffering judgement because a loving merciful God would never allow it, then one is forced to read all the Scriptures accordingly, reading some/avoiding others, or even altering the meaning of passages. We even had one person writing here, a long while back now, who admitted that he never considered the Apostle Paul's writings because they didn't hold true to the teachings of Jesus. So, the option to pick & choose Scripture that suits our beliefs is always there, & no amount of bibilical dialogue/exchanges will ever convince the other.

And so you might notice that I fail to correspond with certain folk - not because of an unloving caring attitude towards them, but simply because that what they present against what I believe the Bible teaches, are far too remote for any meaningful discussion. A recent apt case in point is Psalm 82 & John 10:33-36. Unless one takes the trouble to learn what is being said & as given in Hebrew, the basis for us becoming gods then seems justified. Error breeds Error. GBU.

Lee the Follower:

2 Peter 1:20 No PROPHECY of the scripture is (in and of itself it's) OWN private interpretation.

2 Corinthians 13:1 ...in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established .....

Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, ye shall surely not DIE:

Genesis 3:5 FOR GOD DOTH KNOW that in the day you thereof, then your EYES SHALL BE OPENED, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD and EVIL.

This is ALL PROPHECY.

Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God SAID, Behold, the man HAS BECOME AS ONE OF US, to KNOW good and evil.....

The FRUIT was KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, the KNOWLEDGE of gods.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not WRITTEN in your LAW, ye are gods

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the WORD the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken.

Psalms 82:6

Deuteronomy 10:17 your God is a God of gods, and Lord of Lords ....

Psalms 136:6 Give thanks unto the God of gods, for his mercy endureth for ever.

Now, Eve was a prophecy of the coming bride of Christ by HIS RESURRECTION, and what happened she was resurrected with her husband to never DIE.

The gift of God is eternal life.

God can even use Satan to speak prophecy, what did Satan say, Ye shall never DIE.

Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY DIE ANYMORE, Adam (Christ) took of the fruit and did eat with his wife and Christ and his wife (creation) DIED, and the spirit of the Father RAISED them as ONE FLESH), for they are equal unto the angels, and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN of the RESURRECTION.

Philippians 2:5 Let this MIND BE IN YOU, which also was in Christ Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, though it not robbery to be equal with God.

God Bless YOU!

Brother S Spencer:

You say you believe, but is HALF BELIEF enough to get you into the Kingdom of God or does God require TOTAL BELIEF of his WORKS.

You say you believe in the works of the resurrection.

But is belief in half the WORKS of Christ resurrection enough or does it takes total belief to OBTAIN the Kingdom of God.

I don't think you know what the kingdom of God is, YET.

What were the WORKS of Christ's resurrection:

OUR sins of the flesh were forgiven and covered by the Lambs blood.

DEATH was conquered, and IMMORTALITY, the gift of God, established, and CHRIST ONLY hath IMMORTALITY ( 1 Timothy 6:16).

Christ ONLY arose, and we as JOINT HEIRS.

Here is where you STOP BELIEVING.

Mark 10:8 And THEY twain shall be ONE flesh: so then THEY are NO MORE twain, but ONE FLESH.

So whose flesh are you, Christ flesh,

Or is Christ, your flesh.

The word gives the answer;

1 Corinthians 15:50 ....flesh and blood cannot INHERIT the kingdom of GOD .....

You INHERIT the Kingdom of God, it is not a place, it is a person.

Genesis 2:23 This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: for SHE, Christ wife, shall be called WOMAN, because SHE is taken out of MAN ( Revelation 12).

1 Corinthians 15:53 ..... this mortal shall PUT on IMMORTALITY .......

1 Timothy 6:16 ..... Christ ONLY hath IMMORTALITY .....

John 17:22 ..... that THEY may be ONE, as WE are ONE .....

You believe Christ and his Father are ONE.

Yet, you DON'T BELIEVE, you we made ONE with them by the resurrection of Christ.

These are not my words that you don't believe.

John 10:34 JESUS SAID, is it not WRITTEN in your LAW, I said, ye are gods ...... Psalms 82:6 .......

Isaiah 55:11 My WORD WILL NOT return unto me VOID .....but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the THING whereto I sent it.

Isaiah 28:21 ....that he may do HIS WORK, his strange WORK, and BRING TO PASS HIS ACT, his strange act.

Can you enter the Kingdom of God, ONLY BELIEVING half of God's WORD.

Hi Jess L. If I might add a little to what others have shared with you, including those Scriptures for you to consider, I would include a very important chapter (John chapter 17), as Jesus' great & special prayer to His Father just prior to the events leading to His arrest & crucifixion.

The ministry of Jesus on Earth was now completed, only the final work of redemption lay before Him. But Jesus says something interesting to His Father: "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee" (v1), and then further adds, "O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (v5). To glorify means 'to bestow honor; to magnify someone's worth'. When Jesus sought His Father's glory of Himself at this point, it was what remained before Him: the culmination of His Ministry to His disciples & others & the laying down of His Life for them. To many, Jesus' death meant failure, a riddance of a thorn in their flesh, an inability to accomplish what He had promised. But He knew that He did not come to meet the whims & fancies of men, but to bring sinners into the love & fold of God ( John 10:15,16). Men would hate & reject Him, but His Father's Plan for man's redemption would be fully accomplished & in this act of sacrifice & love, both the Father & Son would be glorified & Jesus' time of glorification had arrived - not by pomp & ceremony but by sacrificial Love.

But such love was nothing new, for God is the embodiment of Love, Mercy, Grace, & Truth. But when Jesus came to Earth, that Glory was hidden from men, that only God would be glorified in the Face of Jesus ( 2 Corinthians 4:6). But now the Glory of Jesus would also be seen by those who believe - and this Glory that was once hidden would be returned to Him - as He said, "with the glory which I had with thee before the world was". Jesus, God's Word, was within God's Person, for He 'came out from God & came forth from the Father' ( John 16:27,28).

Hi Jess L,

This is a difficult subject to discuss openly. Being one is to be united in the holy love of God. The way we can do this is to become one with His Son, Jesus Christ the only way to the Father, John 14:6. When a man and woman are married, they become one as we through faith become one in Jesus. When Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist Jesus was filled without measure with the Holy Ghost/Spirit, God's Spirit, John 3:34.

God was manifested in Jesus, John 14:10 1 Tim. 3:10. Jesus was the Tabernacle of God, John 10:38. Jesus and the Father are one John 10:30 and Jesus told us we can be one as He and the Father are one, John 17:20-23. Jesus did nothing on His own, only the will of the Father, Jesus was obedient to the Father, Rom. 5:19 and as you said, Jesus was sent by the Father, John 5:30. The doctrine Jesus laid out was not His doctrine but His who sent Him, the Father, John 7:16.



All things are delivered unto Jesus of the Father, Matt. 11:27 and all in heaven and earth is under Jesus's feet, 1 Cor. 15:27 and will be until the last enemy is under His feet, that is death, Rev. 20:14. Jesus said the Father was greater than Him, John 14:28. Scripture says Jesus has a God, 2 Cor. 11:3 1 Eph. 1:3 Eph. 1:17 Col 1:3 Jesus said He had a God John 20:17.

In the garden, Jesus prayed to the Father that the cup He was about to partake could pass if there was another way, but said not His will but the Father's will, Matt. 26:39. All the introductions, greetings, and blessings in the Scriptures in the New Testament that are given to the followers of Christ and called to be saints from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, two not three.

Rom. 1:7-8 1 Cor. 1:3-4 1 John 1:3 2 John 1:3 2 Cor. 1:2-3 Gal. 1:3-4 Eph. 1:2-3 Phil. 1:2 Col. 1:2-3 2 Thess.1:2 1 Tim.1:2 2 Tim.1:2 Titus 1:4 Philemon 1:3 2 Pet. 1:2.



You must study the Scriptures letting the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God guide you to your understanding, not from my reply, or man.

God bless,

RLW

Dear Jess L.

That is a very good question.

Many would say that that God's Essence, (divine nature) is the same for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. There is only one Divine Essence and only those in the Godhead possess it to its fullest perfection and eternal existence. The Godhead is a union of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

John 13:20 says: Verily, Verily, I say unto you, he that receiveth whomever (the Holy Spirit) I send receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveith him who sent me (the Father). Here Jesus speaks of three persons who are received by us and indwell us together as one God, not three.

John 14:10 says " Believeth thou not that I am in the Father and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself, but my Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the work." Jesus is saying the when He speaks the Father is speaking in and through Him.

And in John 14:23 Jesus says: " If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come and make our abode in him." Here, after promising to send the Holy Spirit vs. 16 and that the Spirit will dwell in us, says that when the Spirit is abiding in us, so is the Father and the Son. So here is a prime example of three distinct persons living in us as a unity.

But it is in the relationship between the persons of the Godhead that there is a hierarchy. The Father is head of the Son and Spirit. He is in authority over the Son and Spirit, and the Spirit is subject to the Father and the Son. The Son is in submission to the Father. In this way, relationally, the Father is greater than the Son.

Also, in terms of "offices" the authority of the Father is over that of the Son. Jesus will turn over to the Father all power and authority when all of God's enemies are put under Christ's feet, as promised by the Father and recorded as prophecy in Scriptures. Jesus said in John 10:8 that He only speaks what the Father speaks through Him.

continued in pt. 2

Part One: The love of God. Creation and salvation

Psalm 51:10 states "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me." Christ states that man must be born of water and the Spirit ( John 3:5) which refers either to physical birth first then spiritual; or the baptism associated with God granting repentance and someone being "born again."

The Lord created man in the image of God; both male and female according to Genesis 1:27. Man was given all he needed to live a blissful existence as long as he remained in communion with God; he was given authority over all creation and asked to tend the garden. God's love; however already looked to the needed redemption of man foreseeing his fall; and thus Christ's sacrifice was planned before time began to bring this plan to effect and destroy Satan's temporary usurping of rulership on earth ( Gen. 3:15).

Therefore; Jesus became as the second Adam. (see 1 Cor. 15:47-49 for further details). To put to death the old man expresses the ultimate love; for it is the natural state of the unredeemed soul that can never escape itself in eternal hell. The world and its lusts are temporary; but He has put eternity in the hearts of man. ( Ecclesiastes 3:11). He has promised that He will never leave nor forsake us ( Deut. 31:6; Heb. 13:5). He acts as high priest ever interceding for us ( Rom. 8:34; Heb. 14:15-16; etal).

Along with eternal salvation; God accomplishes His will in our lives; and shows His love by chastising all those He loves. ( Heb. 12:6-7 and other verses). The Lord will lose none of His sheep or His elect as they will hear His voice ( John 10:1-4). Thus the work has been done on our behalf; we can do nothing to add to it or merit any favor. Thus our response should be to love Him accordingly and not to focus on what He can do for us in this life; but to seek that His will is done on earth as in heaven.

The process of sanctification and glorification will be reviewed in future posts.

Whether literal or figurative truth, its still the truth. Jesus said I am the door. That is the truth. A figurative but the truth period. He gots Head shoulders knees and toes, we know what door looks like. But its the all true what is said John 10:9. Or is it literal when it says to pluck your eye out? Well yes, if that what it takes, but better just quit the sin and keep both them good eyes. There are Three (Literal)......They are one (Figurative, not 1 being but 1,2,3 beings one is Unity, They are God(The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost), They were there at the beginning.) There are words like...........world, all, make, made, lost, fast, etc which we know to give each word in context its proper meaning. Its not for, but its for us today to know so I take it literal as it written like GEN 1:1 as I would other books, until a scripture could not be literal, buts its still speaks the truth. A figurative truth, but the TRUTH. There are parables, the beatitudes, songs, visions but the symbols explained, proverbs too. Fill me in the rest Im missing. When Jesus told Peter get ye behind me Satan, a double rebuke for trying to talk Jesus out of dying on the cross. Like the Lamentation to the King of Tyre from God too, for instance. I don't know it all and I am still learning.

Jud.9:1-6 "The Hireling" (1 of 2)

The superscription refers to men whom Abimelech could hire to form his base. Hireling is a generic term collectively used to distinguish servants who work for their hire in a household while sons work to ease the burden of their father. Value of silver and of love do tell in secular as well as in heavenly relationships. Accordingly in times of danger ("The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep"-John10;13)"on the other Jesus as the good shepherd teaches what he shall do for his Father. "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep( John 10:15)".

In the world of the flesh hirelings are determined to better their prospects so they would gain more in terms of hire. Any improvement can be only in the tangible dollars and cents.The prodigal son in time of want was willing to work for offal because his prospect in an alien country could not be any better. He did some simple arithmetic and found in his father's house, labor of his hands fetched far greater as he had himself seen in the case of his servants."How many of my father's hired servants have food to spare, and here I am starving to death!( Luke 15:17-NIV)." Value of hire made sense to him only when he could relate his spiritual value in terms of his Father. It was matter of life and death. In the world of the flesh he was in the wrong place to count in terms of hire value of which fluctuates.

Ironically great many all of them do not think in terms of life, and of the spirit but work themselves for golden sunset years only to find their life annuities have swindled away by companies they trusted. From the passage of the gospel cited earlier a child of God has a place of permanence to go to. Jesus as the good shepherd teaches from example of his life. "All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers:(10:8)" But Jesus speaks of them as thieves and robbers.

Ulai River (2 of 2)

With regards to Israel their sanctuary is not yet cleansed. This is short by 6 months from the command number 7, the tag for perfection. Four is the number applied to the ministry of Jesus who is the logos aspect of the Word.

This missing 6 months from both can be explained by this line in the Book of the Revelation. "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." (Re.8:1) Everlasting gospel shall be preached by the angel in heaven (Re.14:6-7) and we have a clue here in the saying of Jesus. "And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd."( John 10:16) This ministry of Jesus is from heaven. Thus we have the command number 4 apply to the Son who was also the Word made flesh.

During this silence in heaven we have on earth another activity going on, sealing of the twelve tribes described in Ch.7. This number of martyrs multiples of 12,- the number 144,000 refer to the creation of one fold for whom Christ is the 'one shepherd.'

Jema

JESUS said: John 10:7-9

9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, ...

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.

Karoanne"

The Word is from everlasting to everlasting, He has not begining nor ending. JESUS is the begining. The Word is GOD-John1:1-, The same was in the beginning -was in JESUS-with GOD- John 1:2. As said the angel of the Lord -John the Baptist - "No man hath seen GOD at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared Him". Isaiah 9:6 - Unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. JESUS said: I and my Father are One( John 10:30), and All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth- Matthew 28:18.



Who knows GOD? Who knows JESUS? Even JESUS Himself said: No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him- Matthew 11:27. It's it.

Ronald.

Part 4.

PENTECOST.

This is the beginning of the Christ church, and the Gospel first went out to the Jews, Peter was talking to the local crowd. "ALL Jews" Acts 2:5 "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Also Acts 2:22 and Acts 2:36.

They were celebrating Shavuot-the Feast of Weeks-also known as Hag Ha Katzir, the Feast of Harvest, and known to most of us as the Feast of Pentecost. It is worthy to note that this feast was also one of three which was important for every able-bodied male to attend in Jerusalem.

Peter was letting them know that they crucified their king and Messiah.

Then in Acts 2:37 it's important to notice their reaction and what they asked; (Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?)

In verse 38 Peter answers them; Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

This repentance was to turn from Judaism and be Identified with Christ.

They were pricked in their hearts shows a stone lifted that they stumbled over. Their baptism was their profession of faith. They were baptized by the Holyspirit during this process.

John 10:7-10 you see the Lord is calling the Jews out of Judaism.

In John 15:1 Jesus says I am the TRUE vine or "Genuine" vine. This is contrary to Israel being the degenerate vine seen in Jeremiah 2:21. John the Baptist came to Prepare the way for Lord, John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. This transition period went on throughout the early church.

They were to turn from Judaism and believe on Christ as mentioned in John 6:29.

Peter and the rest of the disciples was told to go Jerusalem to wait on power from on high. When they received that power, they begun to do the work of God.

See Part 5.

Roanld.

Part 3.

Christ is life,

The question is, have you died?

Are you his sheep?

What is the nature of sheep and how do they perform?

What is the role of the shepherd?

Salvation is not a performance or an acting Job. We are to be led by the Spirit and walk in it.

When we get out of line, God chastise us. He's your father and you're his son, He never abandons us. When sheep go astray the shepherd goes out looking for them. Christ is the Chief Shepherd.

John 10:3-4. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Ronald parallel John 10:9 with Joh 6:27 in part 2.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

If we have died in Christ, we should already be seeing the power of his Resurrection and not depend on those fleshly attempts that brought no fruit. (self-righteousness) in Paul's case the Law.

Philippians 3:9-16.

Christ is doing something new.

He is putting his spirit in man that he might know him and do his statutes. "First to the Jews and then to the Gentiles, forming his Church.

John 10:16.

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

This brings us to Pentecost.

See Part 4.

Ge.1:20-23 "Life Abundant"



"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Referring the earth from the Psalm quote, "The fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein" belongs to God. He established it upon the floods which highlights the divine Will, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly.'The key word is life. Jesus coming to the word revealed the will of his Father, " I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."( John 10:10-KJ21; Ps.24:1-2) God by dividing light from darkness is leading us to the quality of His name. He called the dry land, earth "and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas." Separation of light and darkness is in His will serves a purpose; by the same purpose what shall we make of his command, 'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life' ? It is held together in his Son. "And by him all things consist." (Col.1:17) "The 'moving creature' as species shall move from the land to become marine creatures vice versa. These dynamics owe to the quality life which is an expression of divine holiness. In naming the earth separation of light from darkness such migrations did not injure the quality of life. In the pitch darkness of the depth marine creature live as freely as land animal spread out in the dark foraging for food. It also throws up a great scriptural truth. "For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich."(2 Co.8:9) Joseph was deprived of his parental home and in becoming the savior of his name the Spirit instructs us in terms of life the lame shall take the prey.' God made his Son an example.

OSAS and relevant Bible verses

"For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." ( 2 Cor. 7:10).

Hebrews 6:4-9

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

Perhaps the second set of verses from Hebrews helps to explain the first passage. In some sense; the wicked wish to turn away from all they have been enlightened with which in some sense explains why they can't be renewed into repentance since they have decided with all the evidence given to turn back to their sins. They have in some sense repented from committing to God and turned back to the world; flesh and the Devil being ashamed of what they consider foolish ways of ignorance apart from their own wisdom. Whether repentance can mean turning from God back to wickedness may be questionable; what is scary here is that much like Lucifer all the evidences of God's glory is seen and because of pride is rejected. As Jesus Himself said in John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. WE MUST NOT BE ASHAMED OF GOD'S METHOD to be admitted into heaven; it is the narrow way to life that must be followed ( Matthew 17:13-14). More in next post.

OSAS and the Parable of the Sower ( Matthew 13).

19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Let us compare this scripture with these verses

John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

Matthew 7:21-23 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Salvation isn't just us "accepting Christ" but us KNOWING Him and of course means He must "know" us. This word means the most intimate relationship and is used to describe relations between husband and wife in scripture. Hearing Christ therefore is only a first step on our part; the Pharisees were blind even though they saw (end of Matthew 23). Those who Christ know were those given to Him by the Father ( John 6:39). Predestination is a repeated theme in John indicating those who God gave the Christ to save. Salvation means goodfruit

GiGi on Numbers 35-YHWH instructs...

1-YHWH

2-Yahweh,

3-Yehovah,

4-Elohim,

5-Adonai,

6-HaShem,

7-Yahusha

8-YEHshia

9-Jehovah

10-YEHvah

These 10 are one.Wouldn't they be the name of the father of the Jews? John 8:44-45.

I am asking because according to the Word of GOD-the Word is GOD-, Acts 4:11-12 say:

11-JESUS is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

12 Neither is there salvation in any other:for there is none other NAME under HEAVEN given among men, whereby we must be saved.(Yes, there is none other NAME under HEAVEN except JESUS,that is the NAME that the own GOD chose for He Himself.JESUS said:I and my Father are One- John 10:30.And in the fourth Day after Adam,or around 2000 years ago,JESUS said: My Father worketh hitherto(it was still the fourth Day),and I work- John 5:17). In my understand,GOD was never called by nicknames as above listed.The name of GOD is only one:JESUS.

I don't quite understand why people lend credence to Kabbalistic and esoteric, and spiritists, sources(?)Think about it.

"Yehovah", "Yehovih", et al. as above listed,are considered sacred names in Kabbalah,so what? I find this absurd. But what does the Word of GOD say? 1Tim.4:1-2:

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly,that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith,giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy;having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Beloved, believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of GOD:because many false prophets are gone out into the world- 1John 4:1.

1Jn 5:19-20:

19 We know that we are of GOD,and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of GOD is come,and hath given us an understanding,that we may know Him that is true,and we are in Him that is true,even in His Son Jesus Christ.This is the true God, and eternal life.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us,and give us His protection, now,and for ever.

Amen

Hi Adam.

Sorry for such a late response.

Myself and several others on this site have debated this topic often and when debating you we've made it very clear that if a person is continuing in habitual sin, he is not likely a saved person.

Adam, God chastise those that are his. He don't let his children get away with sin.

Where you say a Christian can lose his salvation, We've said Everyone Professing Christianity is not saved, siting Matthew 7:21-23 and highlighting verse 23 "And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: depart from me, ye that work iniquity".

Jesus said he knows his sheep.

He also said I will never leave or forsake us.

John 10:27.

Hebrews 13:5.

I've also referred people to this portion of scripture concerning this debated topic.

Romans 5:20 through Romans 6:4.

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Goodnight and God bless.