Discuss John 10 Page 7

  • Jesse - 3 years ago
    Salvation by man, or salvation by God?

    (Part 4):

    We also know from Scripture that no one can keep himself saved. John teaches, in 1 John 5:18 (as recorded in the oldest Greek manuscripts), "We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin; but the one who has been born from God, God is keeping him and the evil one does not touch him."

    John also states in John 10:27-29, "My sheep hear my voice and I know them; and they follow me. And I give to them eternal life; and they will never perish forever and not anyone will seize them from out of my hand. My Father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to seize them from out of the hand of my Father."

    Jude states in his doxology in verse 24, "But to the one being able to keep you without stumbling and to set you before His glory blameless in exultation."

    Paul in his writings emphasized the keeping power of God's Spirit in Ephesians 1:13-14: "In whom also after having heard the Word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, after having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance, for redemption of the possession, for the praise of His glory."

    He states again in Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." Probably one of the most powerful Scriptures of God's keeping power is Romans 8:38-39: "For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor powers, nor any thing which has come, nor things coming, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

    The only way a person can be saved is by a spiritual birth from God; and the only way a person can keep his salvation is through the keeping power of God.
  • Adam - 3 years ago
    I'd like to share some verses I've been noticing lately during my readings in regards to once saved always saved or not. Some verses appear to support it so I see why people believe this, but is that really what it means?

    John 10:28 - neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

    What about followers who voluntarily left His hand?

    Luke 15:4-7 - Jesus gives the parable of the lost sheep. But the sheep is still a follower. If the sheep denounced its Shepherd and left the herd to become a wolf, Jesus doesn't say He goes to rescue wolves but just the sheep in His flock. Verse 7 also adds a condition- "if" the sheep repents. People often skip that part. Maybe it's uncomfortable for some to humble themselves to genuinely repent and ask for forgiveness to God. I think this is what Jesus expects. It doesn't say the Christian can follow the world, sin as much as he wants, abort babies, use profanity, cheat, lie, steal, kill, abuse the body with drugs, and fill with lust, and not repent, not follow Jesus and be 100% fine. I see no verse saying that is all is fine if done intentionally. Seems like doing that is like spitting in Jesus's face and mocking what He did for us.

    Heb 6:1 talks about repentance. Heb 6:6 says those who have "fallen away" can be brought back through repentance. If it wasn't possible for Christians to fall away then why does the Bible say that Christians can fall away? It says its a disgrace, like crucifying Jesus all over again.

    Heb 5:13 says that some Christians are still living on milk like an infant and still not pursuing righteousness. Some in this forum have claimed that effort to be righteous is "bad" and apparently doing evil is good? That of course is from satan.

    Heb 5:2 talks about Christians who have gone astray or "out of the way" of the path. If it were not possible to veer off the path of following Jesus then why does the Bible warn us not to do that?

    Heb 4:1 warns Christians to not fall short of God's "rest".

    Heb 3:19
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Wisdom for the coming days.

    We have a basic exhortation as a people to be the "head" instead of the "tail" (see Deut. 28:13). As a church; we should be willing to support the brethren especially when we can see trouble coming as we see in Acts 2:45 similar to what was predicted by Agabus in Acts 11:28. Wisdom is something the Lord will give us if we ask ( James 1:5). That may apply currently to extracting finances or money from risky investments or bank accounts to have some on hand; to have emergency food supplies and a generator at hand; precious metals for trade; etc.

    Our political leaders are not to be worshipped either (I am leaving names out here). There is enough at fault in both sides of the political spectrum. Whether it is possible at this point for anyone of integrity to lead our nation and for that person to win the party nomination (again no names here) is something I am not placing any bets on. Proverbs 16:18 warns us that pride comes before a fall; and certainly there is enough of that to go around. People hear what they want to hear; but those of the house of the living God will hear His voice ( John 10:27). When we hold on to this life too much; we forget that we are "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:6). That is a present state; but our future hope in glory is brought forth by natural death or martyrdom. I am convinced that we would never see the harvest of innumerable saints ( Rev. 7:9) if the 5th seal event and later killings of the Antichrist for not taking the Mark were not instituted. Apparently; "tribulum" means a threshing board using in harvest for separation purposes. Satan will be used as God's instrument to finally bring the wheat to fruition in the heat of the fires of that trial ( Rev. 3:10). As for now we should heed to the admonition of the very next verse as rewards can and will be lost for those who don't remain patient and are distracted by things of this world today. May we keep our eyes on Him.

    Agape.
  • Ruby Lea Read - In Reply - 3 years ago
    GiGi:

    Psalms is the words of Christ: 2 Samuel 23:1-2

    Psalms 82:6 I (Christ) have SAID, Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

    Jesus himself QUOTED his OWN prophecy.

    John 10:35 If HE (the spirit of prophecy) CALLED them (the children of resurrection) gods, unto whom the WORD OF GOD CAME, and the scripture CAN NOT be BROKEN.

    Jesus is telling the Pharisees, they read and study the scriptures, but have no knowledge of their TRUE MEANING, very little has changed TODAY.

    John 1:5 And the light shineth into darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.

    You say Psalms 82:6 means gods of this world, antichrist, sons of predition

    Let's see what happens to this scripture when we apply it to mean as you define it.

    I (Christ) have SAID, ye are gods (antichrist, sons of perdition, Satan, gods of this world), THE CHILDREN OF THE MOST HIGH.

    Let's apply your definition to some other scriptures.

    Deuteronomy 10:7 For the Lord your God is a God of gods (sons of perdition, gods of this world, antichrist)

    Joshua 22:22 The Lord God of gods (gods of this world, sons of perdition, antichrist), the Lord God of gods ...

    I hope you rethink what you are saying about GOD'S WORDS.

    Could it possibly be your not rightly dividing God's Word, maybe Paul was talking about something completely opposite to what Christ was Prophesying.

    My rebuttal is ALSO in LOVE.

    Does the church you attend preach the KINGDOM of God, or is it like most churches and preaches heaven and hell?

    God Bless YOU!
  • GiGi - 3 years ago
    Ruby Lea,

    It looks like the thread you addressed me on has been closed t further comment. So, I will respond with a new thread.

    I am happy to bring Scriptures to this conversation. But before I do, please answer me yes or no: Are you Earl Bowman?

    If you do not answer this question of mine with a yes or a no, then I will know that you are a deceiver.

    As to your inquiry about Psalm 82:1-6 and Jesus' usage of this Psalm in John 10:35. The context of this verse in psalms is a reference to the judges of Israel that were appointed to make judgements for the people when they had a legal matter to bring forward to resolve.

    God, in this Psalm is rebuking these judges (and any leader) because they judged sinfully. They favored those who oppressed and did wickedly and would not defend or uphold the cause of the widows, orphans, and poor, but instead made judgments against these who needed right judgements and mercy. God does not speak of them favorably in this psalm.

    It does say that "ye are gods" and the meaning of this is not that they are truly gods, but those who sit in the place of the only true God when they pass their judgments. Therefore, the only True God expects them to judge with justice and righteouosness, but they did not. They judged sinfully, therefore, this iniquity proves that they are not truly gods.

    The Bible speaks of gods as referring to those that pagans worship. Are these gods truly gods since Scripture calls them such?

    Exodus 12:12 says that God will bring judgment on all the gods of Egypt. Are these gods real or idols/false gods?

    Exodus 23:13 God says to not invoke the names of their (Israelites) other gods. Were these other gods truly gods or were they false gods/idols?

    Joshua 24:14 God instructs Joshua to tell the Israelites to throw away the gods of their fathers. Were these gods truly gods or were they false gods/idols?

    I could list many more Scriptures where God speaks of other gods, but it is clear they are not gods. Jer. 2:11 ...
  • Ruby Lea Read - 3 years ago
    UNDERSTANDING THE POWER OF THE RESURRECTION

    Psalms 17:15 As for ME (Christ), I will behold thy (the Father and God of Christ) face: I (Christ) will be satisfied, when I (Christ) awake (am resurrected, by the Father's SPIRIT), with THY (the Father's) likeness.

    Romans 6:5 For if were be planted TOGETHER (you and Christ) in the likeness of his (Christ) DEATH; we shall also be the LIKENESS of HIS RESURRECTION.

    Genesis 5:1 In that DAY (the day of the LORD; ALL MEN died with Christ and all MEN were resurrected with Christ) that God created man ( BY the resurrection), in the LIKENESS of GOD created he them.

    Psalms 104:30 Thou sendest forth THY (the Father of ALL ( Ephesians 4:6) SPIRIT, THEY (all men) are CREATED; thou renewest the face of the earth.

    Ezekiel 1:5 And out if the MIDST thereof (Christ) there came forth four LIVING CREATIONS, And this was their appearance, they (the new creation) had the appearance of A MAN (Christ).

    Ezekiel 10:10 And as for the for their appearances (the LIVING CREATIONS), they four (the new creation) had ONE LIKENESS, as a WHEEL (Christ) in the MIDST of a WHEEL (Christ).

    Colossians 1:27 ..this MYSTERY (of his resurrection) ... CHRIST IN YOU ..

    Romans 8:28 For whom he (the Father of ALL) did foreknow, He (the Father) did predistinate (by the resurrection of Christ) to be conformed to the IMAGE (God) of his son, that he (Christ) might be the FIRSTBORN among many (cloned by his resurrection) BRETHREN.

    Psalms 82:6 For I (the Father) have said, YE (my new creation, by your brother's resurrection) ARE GODS, the children of the most high.

    John 10:35 If he (our Father, the WORD) called them (the new creation, by resurrection) GODS, unto WHOM the word of GOD CAME ( Hebrews 9:28), the scripture CANNOT be BROKEN.

    Luke 20:36 Neither can THEY (the new creation) DIED ANYMORE (you died with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the ANGELS ( Isaiah 63:9...and the ANGEL of HIS (Christ in YOU) PRESENCE SAVED THEM.

    Do YOU BELIEVE God's WORD?
  • Nacol1900 - In Reply - 3 years ago
    No No... Gi -Gi...love ya But Remember Jesus said that there will only be 1 shepherd and 1 sheepfold not 2.... John 10:17....Remember Jesus told ic.a jew he had to be bornagin....Christ has to be born in us Jew or gentile...Thats y he always refers to himself as the son of man.... 1 Cor. 12:13....By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ... Jew or Gentile,..Bond or Free...male or female.

    Thou will not leave my soul in hell nor suffer thy holy 1 to see corruption....But Peter said this is just prophetic of Christ
  • Sixten Alin - In Reply on Revelation 1 - 3 years ago
    You will not go to hell if you trust God and what He has done for you. You see, God the Father sent his begotten Son who is Jesus Christ (also known as the Word) into the world so that he can receive it back. Jesus Christ was the lamb that was slain for the sins of mankind, which includes you and me; so that God's justice and God's wrath could be fulfilled. Jesus Christ lived a sinless life and knew no sin, but still became sin for us because in such a way God loves the world, so that he himself will receive punishment instead of us. Now that Jesus Christ is risen and proclaimed Lord according to his resurrection, it is known that he has victory over death and that all who believe in him will appear like him. If you believe that He died for your sins and shed His blood for your forgiveness, you are saved and adopted into God's family by the sealing of the Holy Spirit.

    In this dispensation, known as the Church Age, it was revealed to Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles, for it was the mystery that was not revealed to others beforehand. The Church is the body of Christ placed to be a light to the world until the day of the Lord; which is God's wrath during the seven year tribulation and his second part of the second coming at the battle of Armageddon.

    God has placed every believer in his body, just as he is the head of the body, and every member is like its members, and he will never forsake them. This means that all those who believe today and are saved will never be forsaken, as Jesus himself said in John 10:28; "And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."

    In this way, you can be sure that if you have put your trust in Christ alone and in the work of salvation performed on Calvary's cross with His blood, you are saved and you will never perish.
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Thank you David0920 for sharing that. I think we will have to part from each other on this matter. As much as I can understand & appreciate what you've given as the right way to approach the Bible, I still maintain that there is still a fundamental mind-set & approach we must have before we even first open those sacred pages. If we throw out those essential rules, then we can do or interpret anything we want, to God's Word, all under the guise of being Spirit-led & inspired. I know that the Spirit can & will do all that is necessary to guide us into all Truth, but how many are actually believing what the Spirit reveals & how their own perceptions & coloring of the Scripture assures them of the 'truth', their 'truth'.

    An example that comes to mind: Psalm 82:6 states, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." And Jesus refers to it in John 10:34, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" The answer? 'from those Scriptures, all God's children are also gods'. I doubt if you believe that. Rather, using the basic tools first, will help us understand what is meant.

    Even for example, the Bible translators, had to be firmly grounded on a set of established rules & patterns of their work before they could even begin (& the same goes for those in Bible translation today, working amongst various people groups). If the basic laws are not adhered to, I wonder what sort of mess the work of Bible translation (& even expository deliveries) would find themselves in. And by the way, I see no difference in those translating the Bible from original texts to those of us who have the Bible in our hands & read it with both understanding & discernment of the Truths within. We need those rules so as to rightly divide the Word. The Holy Spirit will then take us into a deeper understanding & application of those Truths, which makes the Bible more than a record of historical events, which is so to many casual readers.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Matthew 6 - 3 years ago
    Elizabeth,

    For the believer, Jesus is our hope ( 1 Timothy 1:1), He is our peace ( Ephesians 2:14), He is the light of the world ( John 8:12), He is the good shepherd who gave His life for His sheep (All those who have surrendered their life to Him ( John 10:11), He is the head of the church ( Ephesians 1:22), He is the only one who sets us free from our sin ( John 8:36), He is our redeemer ( Job 19:25), He is the only atoning sacrifice for our sin ( 1 John 4:10), He is the Savior of those who receive Him ( Luke 2:11, John 1:12), He is the creator of all things ( Colossians 1:16-17, John 1:1-3), He is the word of God, and He is God ( John 1:1, Isaiah 9:6), He is our only way to salvation ( John 10:9, John 14:6).

    There are many, many more descriptors in the Bible that tell us who Jesus is, but it would take many more posts to list them all.
  • Jesse - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Skiman,

    They could be basing their claim on any one of the following pieces of scripture:

    John 1:1, John 1:14, John 8:24, John 8:58, John 10:30-33, John 20:28, Hebrews 1:8, Colossians 2:9, Philippians 2:5-8, Psalm 45:6.

    The Bible tells us that we are to worship God alone, and yet Jesus received worship and never rebuked anyone who worshipped Him. We see evidence of this in Matthew 2:2, Matthew 2:11, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, John 9:35-38, Hebrews 1:6.

    Isaiah 44:6 reads, "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me."

    In Rev 1:17, it says "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as a dead man." In Daniel 10:8-9, Daniel did the same thing. When he saw this vision of Christ, he fell down as he was dead. In Ezekiel 1:28, Ezekiel sees the vision and he falls down as a dead man. It goes on to say "Fear not; I am the first and the last: (the designation of God, found in Isaiah 41:4, and Isaiah 48:12).

    In Revelation 1:18, it says I am He that lives, and this is another designation of God found in Psalm 84:2, and Joshua 3:10.

    I am He that lives. God presents Himself to the Jews as the living God. He says I am He that lives, and was dead; literally, and became dead, and behold, I am living forevermore, His resurrection, His eternalness.

    And then it reads, Amen; and I have the keys of hell and of death. Keys are a symbol of authority. Those who were in charge of the temple had the keys to the temple. We are told later on that the Lord (Jesus) will be in control of hell and death.

    In Matthew 16:15, Jesus asks His disciples who do you say I am? Peter had the perfect answer. Peter said "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God."

    Peter was Jewish. The phrase "Son of the living God" from a Hebrew standpoint is a phrase used for God. To a Jew, claiming to be the Son of God was considered blasphemy, but that was Peter's response to who Jesus was
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    More on this heresy (Man becoming God)

    Part 1.

    There are different religions extant which teach that Godhood is a graduated experience (God was once man) and that man can actually attain the level of Godhood. The number of religions which teach this is increasing as more polytheistic, Eastern religions are being introduced to America. Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) taught the following:

    "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form -- like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man....it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).

    Verses used to teach man can become God. The apostle Peter wrote of being "partakers of the divine nature" ( 2 Pet. 1: 4). A careful study of the text reveals the apostle is teaching that we are to acquire traits of God, such as "godliness," "virtue,", etc. (vs. 5-11). Indeed, we are to be Godlike and partake of the divine nature in this sense. Jesus used the word god in an accommodative sense in John 10: 34, 35. "God," as used in John 10 and Psalms 82: 6, is applied to superior people, rulers. Jesus, however, is not teaching that these rulers had become God as God is God.

    See Part 2.
  • GiGi - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Alex, cont.

    John 10:34-36 says, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God."

    Jesus here was not affirming that the judges spoken of in this quote from Psalm 82 were actually gods, but was being ironic in stating the obvious that these judges were wicked and not gods, but yet the religious leaders would say that He was blaspheming God by saying that He was God's Son. The religious leaders were accepting of what was said in Psalm 82 as the Word of God that came to the writer of the Psalm and that the words of God are not to be set aside, but they were unwilling to accept what Jesus said about Himself, even though they could find no wickedness in Him that would disqualify Him as either speaking for God or from being the Son of God.

    Those who quote Psalm 82 to support that men can become gods rarely include the part about these so-called "gods" (judges) were wicked and humans who would die as all men do. This passage in Psalms (and Jesus was alluding to the whole psalm when He quoted part of it) in no way support any doctrine that men can become gods.

    To attempt to deify humans inevitably demeans God and brings Him down to the level of humans. Those who teach deification of humans fail to understand that God is so high above anything else in essence, character, power, and glory. If they did they would realize how ludicrous it is to teach that men can become divine. And if one teaches that men become divine but not to the degree of what God is, is to teach that their are different levels of deity and therefore other gods besides the true God, which goes against what God has revealed about his singularity in Scriptures.

    Because the teaching of the godhood of humans usurp God's sole position as the only God in all things.
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Gi Gi Gbu But there is a simple way we can know without a doubt who is of God and who is not...You have stated your position several times in the pass that God cannot multiply himself....We cannot be Gods is your postion..As others in this forum...Remember ..So now let me have your attention for just a sec...And i love ya sweety in the Lord...But listen Jesus tells us to whom the word came it made them Gods... John 10:35...And the scripture cannot be broken....But you don't believe that as some others in this forum...And in Psalms :82:6 I have said ye are Gods ....Impling that Jesus can multiply very God in us via his seeds his words...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin...Thats y he has to know us. That N.C...The words in the book that he wrote with his own blood....And Jesus said the very Kingdom of God is gonna be with in you...Not here nor there but WITHIN you... Luke 17:21....So plz tell me sister Gi-Gi how can the Kingdom of God be with in us...And we not be Gods...So ya can readily and easily see who is of God and who is not....Its simply them that believe his words...But them that don't believe his words are the reprobates...And in his prayer he prayed that God wd make them 1 John 17 :21..There wd be no way we cd be made 1 with God Almighty ( the marriage ) and we not be Gods...And don't give me that upper case lower case thing...Simply b/c there is no upper case or lower case in Hebrew.... Ephesians 5:30...plainly tells us we are gonna be made bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh....So that does away with the lower case and upper case analogy....Its gonna be a Genuine Marriage in the spiritual realm...As the bridegroon rejoices over the bride so shall thy God rejoice over thee... Isaiah 62:5....GBU Gi-Gi...And have a good week end...
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    KJBO,

    Typed in "song" said 0" Typed Jesus, 2 suggested verses = John 10:11, John 10:4,

    I've experienced a few indications tonight that there are hacking bots or something, because code keeps popping up between words, while I search with Modify Search, it has corrected when I go back & retry. So this New feature may be affected by these things occurring.

    I will try it again for sure
  • T Levis - In Reply on Genesis 6 - 3 years ago
    Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25, Galatians 1:8, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 1:6,7,13,14,

    Sons of GOD: John 1:12, Romans 8:14, Philippians 2:15, Psalms 82,= John 10:34-42, John 3:1,2,

    The Hebrew word for Angel is "mal'ak" Sons of GOD in Hebrew "ben elohiym"

    James 1:5, Colossians 2:8, 2Timothy 2:15,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • T Levis - In Reply on Song of Solomon 1 - 3 years ago
    John,

    2Timothy 2:15,

    Matthew 6, John 3:16,

    James 1:5, James 4:8,

    Is a good place to start.

    If you want to read about Jesus, Luke 1, is a good Book to start, you can search words in this site also.

    Many people try reading the Bible from cover to cover in a year or less. As you read & study you will notice several Scriptures of the Bible will speak about the same situations, people & events at times, so as you get to know scripture more, you might want to study multiple scriptures together.

    Solomon is credited for Proverbs 1, some of the Psalms, Ecclesiastes 1, others similar Ecclesiasticus 1, Wisdom of Solomon 1, Song of Solomon 1, it seems much easier to understand deeper Songs of Solomon when understanding other scriptures, like Psalms 1, Psalms 42:1, also the love story of Solomon,

    "spoiler ALERT," = sadly the love of many wives turned Solomon's heart away from GOD & the nation. 1Kings 11,

    But Jesus is Greater than Solomon! Matthew 12:42, John 10:23-42, Matthew 6, Matthew 6:26-33,

    Hopefully these are helpful
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Hi Thirsty4Wisdom.

    I agree with what you stated.

    "Do I need to get baptized along with trusting in Jesus to be saved?

    Yes, by the Holy Spirit, not by water:"

    Let's look upon another quote of yours concerning those who which the law was given. "Israel."

    In Matthew 15:24 Jesus said "I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

    This was not an outright rejection of the Gentiles.

    "Moments later, He heals the woman's daughter" but this was a fulfillment of prophecy, a setting of priorities, and a test of the woman's faith.

    In Jeremiah 50:6, God calls Israel His people and "lost sheep."

    The Messiah, spoken of throughout the Old Testament, was seen as the one who would gather these "lost sheep"

    Ezekiel 34:23-24 Micah 5:4-5.

    When Jesus presented Himself as a shepherd to Israel, He was claiming to be the fulfillment of Messianic prophecy

    Mark 6:34, 14:27. John 10:11-16.

    He is simply connecting His presence with God's purpose in Old Testament history. Christ was "born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law"

    Galatians 4:4-5.

    John the baptist was his forerunner who came in the office of Elisha to prepare the way. Malachi 4:4-6.

    This was the baptism of John.

    Acts 19:4. "This baptism was only for Israel." John was preparing the way!

    Christ has not yet given charge to his disciples to go out to the ends of the earth to "IDENTIFY/BAPTIZE" the Gentiles with the gathered sheep of Israel.

    In-fact he didn't send them until AFTER he died on the cross and rose from the dead to atone for the sins of the whole world.

    All the offerings and ordinances was a foreshadow of things to come.

    Colossians 2:13-17.

    Hebrews 10:1-10.

    God bless and

    Goodnight.
  • Texsis - 3 years ago
    part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same abideth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

    Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are Devine rather than human in origin*".

    Here are some verses...
  • Texsis - 3 years ago
    part 2, In John 10:7 "I AM" the door of the sheep & in 10:9 I AM the door: by me if any man inter in, he shall be saved, & shall go in and out, and find pasture. John 10:11 "I AM" the good Shepard: the good Shepard giveth his life for the sheep & 14, "I AM" the good Shepard, & know my sheep & am known of mine (believers). Then in John 11:25 "I AM" the resurrection, & the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead (an unbeliever), yet shall he live: continue reading - 26. "I AM" the Way, the Truth & the Life, NO man come unto the Father, but by me. And last yet definitely not least, John 15:1,5 "I AM" the Vine ye are the branches: he that abides in me, & I in him, the same bringeth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. Good to read on till end of 11. They also link Jesus to the Old Testament revelation of God. The Bible is said to have Many translations; these ppl are either ignorant (merely not knowing the bibles truth), evil or both. When copied, They went directly to the original translations so it was directly written per jot & tittle. We don't have originals now yet we do have documents that date back 100 yrs A.D - 120 A.D. over 6,000 manuscripts of antient writings & over 25,000 Archaeological digs. We have matching documents over 2,000 yrs after the original that match jot per tittle. ANY DEVIATION AND THEY WERE THROWN OUT. plus, in many different languages as; Ceriac, Coptic, Latin & Greek.

    Mr. B said, "I'm not here to prove the bible, I'm not here to defend the bible & Charles Spurgen said it best, "I would no more defend the Bible then I would defend a Lion. You don't defend a Lion, You just let him loose, he'll defend himself.!! *"The Bible is a Reliable Collection of Historical Documents. Written by eye witness, 'during the life time of other eye witnesses' that report 'supernatural events'-'that took place in fulfilment of specific prophecies' & claim that their writings are devine rather than human in origin*". Here are some verses...
  • Chris - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I would agree with your understanding of the Scriptures Eagan, on this matter. Though there are Scriptures that show that the one in Christ is eternally secure ( John 10:27-29; 1 John 5:13; Ephesians 1:13,14; 1 Peter 1:5; and many more), there are also many others verses that seem to show that salvation can be lost & one must work hard in their faith to ensure that they will make it to the end & be accepted.

    So, when one considers ALL of the verses pertaining to this subject, somehow it has to be reconciled what Jesus or the other writers are actually saying. Just like whether the Rapture is pre, mid, post, or anything else, we can get into a similar problem. For this one, my underlying Truth is that the Great Tribulation is God's Judgement against the unbelieving Christ-rejecting world, therefore those in Christ will be saved from it.

    For Eternal Security, the underlying Truth is the truly repentant soul has come in faith (& nothing else), been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, indwelt by Him, put on a new path towards Heaven, with the Mighty God and His Son being his all-consuming focus & passion & not the world. Can such a person ever be lost again - deciding, 'No, I prefer to follow the world & reject Christ?' We can never know how real another's salvation has been - nor should we ever place ourselves in that position of making such a judgement. Or, whether one's faith is being tested & some errors & backsliding are taking place - to which the Holy Spirit will move, alert, warn or chastise to bring him back. But the fact of the matter is, that 'the Lord knows who are His', He 'knows His sheep & His sheep hear His Voice', and His sheep will obey the Shepherd even if there has to be some stern words & goading.

    Thus Galatians 5:22-25 are so important, especially "they THAT ARE Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." These are the marks of the one truly saved, living for Christ.
  • Eaganstjohn - In Reply - 3 years ago
    I believe in eternal security of a believer, once saved always saved. (John5:24), and can never lose their salvation ( John 10: 27-29), believers who wilfully sin after salvation without repenting of that sin may come under the chastisement of the Lord ( Hebrews 12:4-8) but can never cease being saved, sons of God. Anyone believing otherwise never had salvation. Believing in eternal security is part of salvation.
  • Louis Logwood on Psalms 88 - 3 years ago
    I believe the psalmist is speaking about when we are going though ,what I call DRY TIMES with God. There will be days we will question our salvation ,our worship,our crying out to the Lord! In these times the Lord sometime wants to see what we are going to do? Our we going to keep studying the word, worship, keep raising our hands to HEAVEN or just give up ? Remember the book of Job, can we be like Job?Well for me ,I have been though a lot of dry times over 42 years. I almost went back . Family, job situations, marriage. But the song writer said "trouble does not going to last always". When hard times come we go on a fast from the TV,from the pleasures of this world . Do God's work all the time, not sometimes. Look at this ,this way. When we our at work, things don't always go our way, we don't always get off on time,that associate that never agrees with you on this day ,worse than ever, that doesn't stop us from going to work! I said that to say this don't give up on Christ, he made the ultimate sacrifice,giving his Life on the Cross. John 10:10 That we may have Life and that more abundantly, In JESUS Remember True Christians don't give up to the world,we give in to JESUS.I believe in " 2 Corinthians 4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed; we are perplexed, but not in despair ;" 1 Corinthians 10:13

    "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." But we must remember this scripture in " James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: Now let's remember also that God loved us first. I leave you with this study your Bible showed thyself approved. Don't slack in God's work,also don't be caught with your work undone. Have A Blessed New Year with Jesus on your mind All the Time.
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Relationships and the fullness of life.

    There are two different things that change in our lives when becoming Born again. There may be need; for the sake of the Kingdom of God to abandon friends and family. This takes into account our love being greater for God than anyone else i.e. those who don't "hate father and mother; etal ( Luke 14:26) cannot be my disciple". The normal explanation here is our relative love is greater for God than family. I would suggest a better explanation would be that the cultural norms; tradition; and expectations that are resistant to the Gospel must be when causing us to sin avoided; and the resulting shunning or persecution from that community is part of the necessary collateral damage.

    What this does NOT mean is that men decide to divorce their "pagan" wives for a different "Christian" women; who just coincidentally is younger and more attractive than their marriage partner more than statistical averages would suggest....

    It also doesn't mean we don't help widows in our family and those in need there lest we be considered "worse than a pagan" ( 1 Tim. 5:8). We can look at Jesus' example; He was the Son of God so His statement that those who were His mothers; brothers etc were those who did the will of God ( Mark 3:35) may be a bit harsh. Nonetheless; He knew at that point even some of his family didn't believe in Him. ( John 7:5). Ultimately; He said to John "behold your mother" during His greatest agony on the cross; thus exemplifying the love for Mary once Joseph clearly had passed. ( John 19:25-27). Now John would be as a son; also showing how we are put into God's adoptive family in John's case.

    Malachi 4:6 discusses restoring fathers hearts to children; and vice-versa. This could be prophetic for those looking ahead toward the Church Age. One believer CAN bring about further repentance and belief among family members; as happened with Paul and the jailor; for instance. ( Acts 16:29-34). John 10:10 therefore can happen
  • Richard H Priday - 3 years ago
    Identity in Christ and the Body of Christ

    The battle for self identity isn't too profitable when we understand that as sinners; we are in a helpless; hopeless state with the wrath of God abiding on us. ( John 3:36). Once our lives are under the authority of Christ rather than the prince of the power of the air ( Eph. 6:12); but now we have the King of Glory as Lord; Savior and yes; Master. Or; alternatively; as the popular Sting song lyric states our servant has become our master if we remain in our sinful state. God promises that although unworthy servants we are called "friends" and His yoke is easy; and burden is light ( Matt. 11:28). Satan is a brutal taskmaster; coming to "steal; kill and destroy." ( John 10:10). Such basically is the state of youth in America today; and sadly many of those who give testimony of their children dying of drug (usually Fentinal) overdoses see nothing getting better in the near term.

    So the question comes up; what is a more profitable state; our old self or our identity in Christ? We are still; in some sense uniquely "us" but with our spirit testifying with His Spirit ( Romans 8:16) that we indeed are "God's children." Somehow; we naturally tend to hold onto our old nature as long as we live; we are still subject; of course to the effects of the fall with the flesh eventually passing away but the new man growing (see 1 Cor. 4:16). We literally are crucified to the flesh in Christ and already in the new life in the spirit ( Colossians 3:3). In reality then; our old selves are redeemed to be all they would have been if they had never been corrupted by th effect of sin; and in fact are in much better glory. (See 1 Cor. 15). What we DON'T realize before salvation is that we are never autonomous and able to go beyond the set limits God has; and we are held accountable for our actions. With faith we can begin to comprehend that we are "seated in heavenly places" ( Eph. 2:4-6).

    And; "to live is Christ; to die gain" ( Phil. 1:21).
  • Alex1939 - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Alex1939....Hiya Ryan Gbu...But Jesus says there will be 1 only shepherd and 1 sheepfold...Not 2... John 10:16

    .....And 1 st Cor.12:13...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ ,whether we be Jew or Gentile, Bond or Free...etc

    there is no way we can get 2 gospels outa that...Jew or Gentile implies circumcision and uncircumcision born again of that New Creature..THE H.G...That 1 and only Spirit...which is the gift of God to Jew or Gentile...Thus there is only 1 New Covenant

    .....And 1 gift of God which is the H.G....As Jesus tells the Samaritan Woman at the well...of that Living water the H.G.

    .....And on the day of Pentecost...There were folks there from every nation....And God poured out his spirit on everyone of them.

    .....Only 1 spirit the gift of God the H.G. That 1 and only Promise the gift of the H.G...Which is the multiplication of very GOD in humanity via that New Covenant...Living words and to whom the word came it made them Gods simply b/c of the marriage we are all gonna be married to God...And a marriage is when 2 are made 1 ....But for the life of me i cannot understand how you can get 2 gospels outa 1 blood...As John said Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...Only 1 lamb..1 blood...ok lemme go
  • T Levis - In Reply - 3 years ago
    Son of GOD, please read : John 3:16, Luke 1 & 2, John 17,

    John 5:30, John 10:17, John 14:23, John 16:27,

    Deuteronomy 4:2, Revelation 22:18,19, 1John 2:26,27, Colossians 2:8,

    Hopefully helpful
  • Chris - In Reply on John 3 - 3 years ago
    Hello Peggy. You could look up the following Scriptures on Jesus Christ's Deity (i.e. God's fullness found in Jesus ( Colossians 2:9) & in His Holy Spirit). Jesus' Deity is proved by:

    a. His Names: Hebrews 1:8, John 20:28 (God); Matthew 16:16, Matthew 26:61-65 (the Son of God); Matthew 22:41-46 (Lord); Revelation 19:13 (Word of God); Revelation 19:16 (King of kings and Lord of lords).

    b. His Characteristics: Matthew 28:18 (Omnipotence: all powerful); Luke 6:8, John 2:24,25, John 13:11 (Omniscience: all knowing); Matthew 18:20 (Omnipresence: present in any place); John 1:4 (Life); John 14:6 (Truth); Hebrews 13:8 (Immutability: unchanging); 1 Timothy 3:16, John 1:1-14 (God manifest in the flesh in Jesus).

    c. His Works: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16 (creates); Colossians 1:17 (sustains); Luke 7:48,49 (forgives sin); John 11:41-44 (raises the dead); John 5:27 (judges); John 15:26 (sends the Holy Spirit).

    d. His receiving Worship: Hebrews 1:6 (from angels); Revelation 5:11-13 (from other heavenly beings); Matthew 14:33 (from men); Philippians 2:10 (from all).

    e. His equality within the Triune God: John 14:23, John 10:30-33 (with the Father); Matthew 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14 (with the Father and the Spirit).

    I hope you can see from these few Scriptures that Jesus was not just a special Man or Prophet sent by God, but truly was "God manifested in the flesh". No other man before Jesus' coming, during, or after His leaving this Earth, could ever fully reflect God's Glory, Wisdom & Power. Only God could - and He did this by sending us His Word, made Him a Man, so that He could give His Life as full payment for our sins - but only to those who believe this & place their trust in Him. To some, the 'Trinity' teaching is abominable. But man's salvation depends on the Divine Person of the Lord Jesus Christ - that God could accept no other Sacrifice to redeem & secure people to Himself - only by giving fully of Himself, which is true love for all.
  • S Spencer - 3 years ago
    Who ARE YOU? 2 Corinthians 5:17!

    You cannot approach God in your natural birth! You are still in Adam and all ethnic groups have to come to God by the blood of the cross. John 14:6.

    Salvation didn't come by genealogy religion or ethnic group Salvation didn't come by anything Adam had to offer. Salvation came by the seed of the woman that's Christ.

    There's your new birth.

    If you belong to any ethnic group, religion, church or political party, without Christ you will be told I never knew you.

    Matthew 7:21-23.

    Abraham was asked to leave his father's pagan land and was promise a land flowing with milk and honey. In Hebrews it says this is the new Jerusalem. Hebrews 11:8-10.

    God said he will make a nation out of Abraham. (There is no value in the pagan land in which he came and there was no value in him when he came) He had to come to God by instrument of faith to receive grace, "as do we".

    We are the seed of Abraham and sons of God through faith.

    Salvation didn't come by the nation of Israel. The nation of Israel demonstrated there is no good thing in the flesh.

    God will put his spirit in Israel and Israel as a nation will be saved as we. Acts 15:8-11.

    There will be a new fold and One shepherd. John 10:16.

    God bless and good night.
  • T Levis - In Reply on Ezekiel 45 - 3 years ago
    Ezekiel 44, Ezekiel 44:2-3, possibly the prophecy for Luke 19:28-48, Luke 21, notice Luke 21:37, Matthew 21, Mark 11, Notice Mark 11:16, Mark 12 Jesus still in the Temple Mark 13, notice Mark 13:1,3, as noted Jesus went & left, the same direction. John 10:23,

    Ezekiel 44:16,17, Revelation 7 note Revelation 7:14,15,

    Ezekiel 47:1-10, healing living water, John 7:38, John 4:11,13,14, Matthew 9:35, Fishers, Ezekiel 47:9,10, Jeremiah 16:16, Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17,

    If you look at Ezekiel 1:1,2,3, they were already going into captivity as Prophesied by Isaiah 39:1-7, 2Kings 24:15, Jeremiah 52:31, before Daniel, Ezra & Nehemiah before the return & rebuilding, Ezekiel 48 - end; might have been the divine blueprint for the temple that was rebuilt before Jesus was born

    Matthew 1:17

    Hopefully these are helpful


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