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From a dispensational perspective:
The Rapture ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17; 1 Cor. 15:51-53) removes the Body of Christ from the earth before the tribulation begins.
After being caught up, the Church is with the Lord in heaven ( John 14:1-3; Col. 3:4). Paul speaks of believers being presented before Christ in glory ( Eph. 2:6-7; Phil. 3:20-21).
During the Millennial reign ( Rev. 20:1-6), Christ rules on earth from Jerusalem, fulfilling promises to Israel. The Church, however, is not seen inheriting earthly covenants but reigning with Christ from a heavenly position ( 2 Tim. 2:12; Eph. 1:20-23).
So: Israel (and believing nations) inherit the earth and the kingdom promises, while the Body of Christ enjoys its sphere in the heavens. Both programs glorify Christ, but in distinct realms.
Is the Great Tribulation the same as the Wrath of God?
Dispensational teachers usually distinguish them:
The Great Tribulation ( Matt. 24:21; Rev. 7:14) is the last half (3 years) of Daniel's 70th week, marked by Antichrist's persecution of Israel and intense satanic opposition. It is a time of "Jacob's trouble" ( Jer. 30:7).
The Wrath of God ( Rev. 6:16-17; 1 Thess. 1:10; Rev. 15-16) refers to God's direct judgments poured out through the seals, trumpets, and bowls. These extend over the whole 7-year period, but intensify toward the end.
They overlap but are not identical: the tribulation highlights man's and Satan's wrath against God's people, while the wrath of God is His judgment upon the rebellious world.
Summary:
The Body of Christ is in heaven during the 1000 years, glorified with Christ, while Israel and nations are blessed on earth under His reign.
The Great Tribulation is a time of satanic persecution (especially against Israel), whereas the Wrath of God is divine judgment upon the unbelieving world.
Grace and Peace.
The Rapture is not only the catching away of believers but also their transfer to a heavenly destiny. Scripture consistently distinguishes the Body of Christ's hope from Israel's earthly kingdom promises.
Christ's Direct Promise
In John 14:2-3, Jesus declares, "In my Father's house are many mansions I go to prepare a place for you I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." Since Christ ascended into heaven ( Acts 1:9-11), the "place" prepared is in heaven. At the Rapture, He receives believers to that heavenly home.
Paul's Revelation of Our Heavenly Citizenship
Paul affirms that "our conversation [citizenship] is in heaven" ( Phil. 3:20-21). Believers await Christ from heaven, and He will transform their bodies to share His heavenly glory. In Col. 3:1-4, Paul writes that when Christ appears, we shall appear with Him in glory. Eph. 2:6-7 further shows we are already spiritually seated in heavenly places, confirming our destiny above.
The Rapture Texts Lead Upward
In 1 Thess. 4:16-17, believers are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, leaving the earth behind. The transformation in 1 Cor. 15:51-52 fits saints for life in glory, not an earthly existence. This upward catching away marks the beginning of our eternal presence with Christ in His realm.
Contrast With Israel's Hope
Israel's prophetic saints are promised an earthly kingdom ( Jer. 23:5-6; Matt. 19:28). The Church, the Body of Christ, is promised heavenly blessings ( Eph. 1:3). These two programs remain distinct, preserving the unique hope of the Church.
Conclusion: The saints are not left on earth after the Rapture. Christ Himself promised to receive us into the Father's house. Paul declares our citizenship is in heaven, our blessings are in heavenly places, and the Rapture unites us with Christ above, forever in His presence.
Grace and Peace.
John 14:21
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
Matthew 24:35
"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Blessings
Brother Jesse has provided Scriptures to consider on this matter. I could offer Scriptures that would debate these points, but that would not answer your questions. This doctrine originated in 325 A.D. and was expanded over the next 150 years or so. You need to pray and study for your own conscience.
The majority support this doctrine, and some believe it is essential to be a Christian. Jesus is our Lord, and He gave His life to pay the penalty for sin so that we, through Him, can be reconciled to God. The wages of sin are death, Romans 6:23. Jesus' death on the cross paid this price.
Jesus had His own will, but was obedient and did the will of the Father, John 14:31, Luke 22:42, John 5:30, John 17:16, John 12:49.
The Chalcedonian Creed A.D. 451 states, "Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, in confusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of nature's being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved." Does Scripture support this?
God alone possesses immortality, 1 Timothy 6:16. Our faith rests on the death and resurrection of Jesus, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 1 Corinthians 15:12-17. God cannot die. Jesus was tempted in the same ways we are, Hebrews 4:14-16. God cannot be tempted, James 1:13.
The Bible will answer all questions we have if we are ready to receive the answer, Matthew 7:7, James 1:5, with prayer and the guidance of the Holy Spirit-not man.
God bless your study,
RLW
If your "battle" is with believing that Jesus is God, may I suggest the following scriptures for your consideration:
Genesis 1:1 along with John 1:1-3, Revelation 19:13, Colossians 1:15-17, Matthew 1:23, John 10:30, John 14:9, Mark 2:5-7, John 8:58, John 20:28, Isaiah 9:6, Philippians 2:5-7, Colossians 2:9, 1 Timothy 3:16, Hebrews 1:8, 2 Peter 1:1, Revelation 1:8, John 5:18, 1 John 5:20, Luke 24:52, John 9:38, Acts 10:25-26, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:3, Revelation 22:13, Micah 5:2, John 17:5, John 1:14. There are more, but these should suffice.
You mention that "Christians say that there is no separation between Christ and God," and that the bible shows otherwise. Jesus said I and my Father are one, and He also said that if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father. This may not mean anything to you, but in the book of Hebrews, Jesus is described as the APOUGASMA (the out beam) of God's glory, God projecting Himself through the time/space factor in the person of Christ. Jesus Christ, being God, was never separated from the source. This is why Jesus can say if you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.
The best example I can give would be taking a flashlight in a dark room and shining it on a wall. The flashlight is the source, and the light is projected on the wall from the source. There is no separation unless the flashlight is turned off. Now, imagine the flashlight being God, and the light shining on the wall is Jesus, again, no separation. Jesus is said to be the true light which came down from heaven, the APOUGASMA of God.
If you are sincerely struggling with the deity of Jesus Christ (Him being God), I hope these scriptures I've provided might help. Also, if you would like, I can share my personal understanding on Matthew 26:39 and Luke 22:42 and why Christ would ask this.
If I may ask, are you a Christian? If so, who do you say Jesus is?
1 Peter 5:7 "Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
1 Thessalonians 5:17 "Pray without ceasing."
Blessings
Psalms 119:32 "I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart."
Psalms 119:33 "HE. Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes; and I shall keep it unto the end."
Psalms 119:34 "Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law; yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart."
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Luke 6:46 "And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
Blessings
Let's look at the Old Testament and New Testament examples from the King James Bible, showing how God's truth unfolds step by step.
Old Testament Progressive Revelation
1. Genesis beginnings
* God reveals Himself as Creator ( Gen. 1:1).
* He promises a Redeemer after the fall ( Gen. 3:15).
2. Covenants with patriarchs
* Noah learns about God's covenant to preserve life ( Gen. 9:8-17).
* Abraham receives promises of land, seed, and blessing ( Gen. 12:1-3).
3. Law and priesthood
* At Sinai, Israel is given the Law, sacrifices, and priesthood ( Exod. 19-24; Lev. 16).
* This reveals God's holiness and points to the need for a perfect sacrifice ( Gal. 3:24).
4. Prophets and promises
* Isaiah foretells a virgin birth and a suffering servant ( Isa. 7:14; Isa. 53).
* Jeremiah announces a new covenant beyond the Mosaic Law ( Jer. 31:31-34).
New Testament Progressive Revelation
1. Christ's earthly ministry
* "Godhath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son" ( Heb. 1:1-2).
* Jesus reveals the Father ( John 14:9) but also withholds some truth until later ( John 16:12).
2. The Kingdom Gospel
* The twelve preach the gospel of the kingdom, offering Israel her promised Messiah ( Matt. 10:5-7; Acts 3:19-21).
3. Paul's unique revelation
* Paul declares "the mysterykept secret since the world began" but now revealed ( Rom. 16:25-26).
* This includes the Body of Christ, Jew and Gentile in one ( Eph. 3:1-9; Col. 1:25-27).
4. Future revelation
* John's Revelation unveils Christ's return, judgment, and the new heaven and new earth ( Rev. 21-22).
SummaryProgressive revelation in the KJV shows God's truth as a unfolding story: from promise in Genesis, to Law and prophecy, to Christ in the Gospels, to the hidden "mystery" revealed to Paul, and finally to the consummation in Revelation.
It's like a scroll unrolled across history-truth revealed as people were ready to receive it.
Grace and Peace.
When Jesus was on earth, as He healed and forgave sins He told them to "go and sin no more". Once you surrender your life totally (with heart mind and soul) to God, He will send you the comforter (Holy Spirit) that will work in and through you to help you do what God ask of you. John 14:15,16 says. "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;".
Point One - Romans 14:5,6
You referred to comments from Romans 14:5,6 where it seems to say that it makes no difference to God which days we keep holy. Actually, these verses do not concern any days that must be kept holy. This is proved by the context of the entire chapter.
The Bible elsewhere teaches very plainly which days God made Holy and commands us to keep holy. They are found inGenesis 2:2,3, Exodus 20:8-11 and Leviticus 23.
Point 2 - "Sabbath" in Strongs Concordance
There were 116 verses containing the "Sabbath". I found one in Col 2:16 that mentioned "sabbath days" which is talking about feast days from the Mosiac law written by Moses.
Point 3 - You said the "Lord is my Sabbath".
I didn't find any reference in the whole Bible that says we can just ignore the 7th day Sabbath of the Lord and call it "the Lord is my Sabbath". This seems to be a way out when you can't find Bible texts to false doctrine.
Point 4 - Sabbath in different time zones - come at different times.
That is a weak argument. The point I would make is that when the 7th day Sabbath arrives in whatever time zone, then it should be observed. This would be the fulfillment of God's requirements. Ex 20:12, John 14:15,16
Point 5 - Using parts of scripture instead of all to make a point.
I myself use the texts in context ( 2 Tim 3:16,17)). If you indeed have an open mind about what to actually know that God has for you in His word the Bible, He will send the Holy Spirit to interpret it for you, so you will understand what He expects from you.
Conclusion:
Most friends keep all 9 , call themselves Christians. I keep all 10, they call me legalistic! The Bible say I love the Lord. LOVE GOD + GRACE + FAITH = ETERNAL LIFE
1 Peter 5:7 "Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Blessings
"Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you."
John 14:13
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Psalms 55:17
"Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice."
1 Thessalonians 5:17
"Pray without ceasing."
Blessings
Proverbs 1:7 "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction."
Exodus 20:10 "But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:"
John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."
Matthew 19:17 "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Blessings
Romans 13:9 "For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."
John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments."
John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."
Blessings
My understanding of the Endtimes...
RAPTURE - Christ Comes for His Church
Purpose: Remove the Body of Christ before God's wrath ( 1 Thess. 1:10; 5:9), unite all Church-age believers with Christ in heaven ( John 14:1-3), and complete the "mystery" program revealed to Paul but hidden in the OT ( Eph. 3:1-11).
Timing: Before the seven-year Tribulation (pre-trib view). No prophetic signs must occur first; it is imminent ( Titus 2:13).
Nature: Sudden, supernatural, without visible cosmic signs.
Christ descends into the air, not to earth. Believers' bodies instantly transformed ( 1 Cor. 15:51-52). Dead and living saints caught up together to meet Him ( 1 Thess. 4:16-17).
Participants: Exclusively the Church - those "in Christ" from Pentecost to the Rapture.
Aftermath: Church in heaven; world enters Tribulation ( Dan. 9:27; Rev. 6-18). God's focus returns to Israel's prophetic program ( Rom. 11:25-27).
SECOND COMING - Christ Comes with His Saints
Purpose: Judge nations ( Matt. 25:31-46), deliver Israel from her enemies ( Zech. 12:9-10; 14:3-4), and establish the Millennial
Kingdom ( Rev. 20:1-6).
Timing: After the Tribulation ( Matt. 24:29-30). Preceded by clear signs - cosmic disturbances ( Matt. 24:29), Antichrist revealed ( 2 Thess. 2:3-4), global judgments ( Rev. 6-18).
Nature: Public, visible to all ( Rev. 1:7). Christ descends to the Mount of Olives ( Zech. 14:4) with heaven's armies to defeat His enemies ( Rev. 19:15-21).
Participants: Christ, angels, and all raptured saints return ( Rev. 19:14). Survivors of the Tribulation, believing and unbelieving, are judged.
Aftermath: Satan bound 1,000 years ( Rev. 20:1-3). Christ reigns from Jerusalem ( Isa. 2:2-4; Mic. 4:1-3). Israel restored to her land in peace and blessing ( Ezek. 37:21-28).
God Bless!
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?"
John 10:30
"I and my Father are one."
Blessings
Deuteronomy 31:6 "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Blessings
Deuteronomy 31:6 "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."
Psalms 55:17 "Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice."
Blessings
Luke 17:20-21 20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
John 14:12-14
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
I have put a framework here; of several scriptures that no doubt are used by Dominionists and others of that persuasion to promote their agenda. What think ye?
Now a full Preterist may use the logic that Christ has already returned; hence this logic seems; well logical. Of course there would literally be no way when Antichrist appears they wouldn't know the difference. That is the main point if anything is here because everyone not written in the Book of Life worships him ( Rev. 13:8). For the Jews; of course in John 5:43 states
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."
And in regard to the wheat and tares: Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. ( Matt. 13:30).
I suspect the spirit of humanism will be revived along with other malevalent influence from the angel Apollyon rising from the pit
( Rev. 9:1-12). The Lord will rule and reign over the nations; and will judge rightly which humanists say they want; but also all the tares are burned.
1 John 4:16 has part of the verse state that God is love; probably next to the verse "Jesus wept" the shortest sentence in the Bible. As to its implications; of course we could write volumes; and as John also stated; if all the books of the wold were used it still would fall short as to describing everything about Christ ( John 21:25). This was the Disciple; after all that Jesus loved mentioned in John 13:23 and 2 other verses also in John. It sounds rather presumptuous on the surface to make such a claim; especially in light of the other Disciples in the "inner circle" namely Peter and I believe Andrew. A study on these implications is beyond my scope or even understanding; perhaps someone else could take the reins on that...
Anyway I wanted to bring up some basic tenants related to this subject; hopefully not boring anyone with redundancy with things I have said in the past. I'm not sure who has read what likely is well over 1000 posts here; if anyone does mention something I am repeating from say 2 years ago maybe they are a bit too obsessed with me; anyway I digress...
I could start out with 1 Corinthians 13 as a homework assignment. I think I will begin with what love is NOT as for some odd reason even those claiming to be believers seem to have at best a muted sense of what God's love is. Let us examine the first and probably most obvious error
Starting with "God is love" is often the scripture touted by those who would twist scriptures
2 Peter 3:16 discusses twisting scriptures directly; although the irony here is that he was talking about difficult to understand ones while love should be pretty easy to understand. After all those who love Him are to keep His commands ( John 14:15) but this is related to Luke 6:46 in those who say "Lord, Lord" but don't do what He says. More to come....
"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Deuteronomy 31:6 "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Blessings
"And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
John 14:21
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."
Blessings
"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?"
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
James 1:22
"But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves."
Titus 1:16
"They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
Matthew 7:21
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."
Blessings
Well put!
In John 14:6 Jesus says, "I am the way, the truth, AND THE LIFE: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
When we recieve Christ we recieved LIFE!
We recieve Christ Spirit! ( A LIFE GIVING SPIRIT)
Christ Spirit cannot die!
We have been baptized by the Holyspirit into eternal life! We have eternal life now.
Eternal NEVER ENDS!
We were baptized into his death.
Our old man is crucified with him, he can never hurt us with our standing with the Lord!
We stumbled in these corrupt bodies every day! Even in thought!
And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1
1 John 1:8 says "If WE say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
John is talking to saved people! Not someone who has lost their salvation!
John included himself! (WE)
There will never be a time here in this world where you will ever have no sin.
So if anyone can lose Christ/Salvation then no one was ever saved and never will be.
You also see the work of Christ as our advocate in Romans 4:6-8.
Romans 4:6-8 reads, "Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works, Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord WILL NOT IMPUTE SIN.
We're covered with Christ righteousness!
It's the heart that has changed in a true believer.
There is no desire to sin.
It grieves Christ Spirit that we now possess.
We're forever changing in the likeness of Christ but we will never be perfect until we are delivered from this body of this death.
Thanks again Brother.
God bless.
"I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
Deuteronomy 31:6 "Be strong and of a good courage, fear not, nor be afraid of them: for the LORD thy God, he it is that doth go with thee; he will not fail thee, nor forsake thee."
John 14:13 "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son."
Blessings
West Angeles Church Cogic Cathedral Los Angeles California
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"I and my Father are one."
John 14:15
"If ye love me, keep my commandments."
Blessings
Regarding the return of Jesus, I only see in Scripture that He returns once. As seen in 1 Matthew 24:29-31, Mark 13:24-27, Luke 21:25-28, John 14:3, Acts 1:11, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4, Hebrews 9:28, Revelation 1:7, Revelation 6:12-17, Revelation 19:11-21, through Revelation 20:1-6, is the same event when Jesus returns, and it occurs after the tribulation of the beast. My understanding is that there is only one Day of the Lord, and that is when Jesus returns.
Regarding the Messiah, I have never asked a Jew about their understanding of it. What I have previously read about Jewish faith is that one day a charismatic Jewish leader, the anointed of God, a man with the characteristics of God, a direct descendant of the Davidic line, will gather Jews from around the world, and bring them back to the Land of Israel and restore the kingdom ridding them of all oppressors.
That was what they were looking for during the time Jesus was here during His 3.5-year ministry, a human conqueror. The disciples were looking for Him to set up the kingdom; they even asked Him after He was resurrected, Acts 1:6-7. They were looking for what we see will happen in the millennium when Jesus returns to earth.
It was mainly the leaders of Jerusalem who did not see or did not hear, which caused blindness in part to happen to Israel, who rejected Jesus; many accepted Jesus as the Messiah while He was here. The leaders of Jerusalem played a prominent role in turning the crowds against Jesus, and it was the nation of Israel as a whole that rejected Him. And today, most Jews do not believe the Messiah has come.
I know we may not agree, but I hope I answered your question.
God bless,
RLW
Hi Brother Carleton.
I Guess you can call Titus a Prince in the human sense but so is Prince Charles.
Yes, he was Roman Emperor Titus.
But he was operating in a Dominion ruled by Satan.
Ephesians 2:2 describes Satan as the "prince of the power of the air," emphasizing his influence on the world's affairs and influence.
Also see John 14:30.
But throughout scripture these human vessels God often used them to carry out tasks whether to Chastening Israel or even to preserve them as a nation.
You see that with Nebuchadnezzar in the book of Daniel.
Also See Isaiah 44:28 on through Isaiah 45:1-7.
God called these Gentile kings his servants.
Titus also was carrying out a judgment pronounced by the Lord! Luke 19:41-44.
These are human vessels, "flesh and blood" but we wrestle with what's behind them.
There is no need for Gabriel the arch Angel for these kings of the world but he stands for Israel against the source and influence behind these kingdoms.
Daniel 10:13.
Daniel 10:21.
Daniel 12:1.
God bless."