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Hi Bob, have you read these verses?

John 10:30

John 1:1

It's indisputable what they mean. There's only one meaning that's so simple and clear that children understand it. Do you believe these verses are true?

As much as I like those verses and Jesus is of God and God given power and closest to the father by relationship.

You still have no verse that clearly says Jesus is God .

There are over 40 that state Jesus is the son of God .

And many more that state that God is one .

So your doctrine loses about100 to 0 . Case closed .

"There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son" bla bla bla Son of God.. Here does it say straight out GOD, Almighty, Mighty GOD. This is not an eye problem but an heart problem for the deity of Yeshua The Messiah

1. Your throne, O God. ( Hebrews 1:8)

2. Thy throne, O God. ( Psalm 45:6)

3. the Word was God. ( John 1:1)

4. My God. ( John 20:28)

5. The mighty God. ( Isaiah 9:6)

6. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( Titus 2:13)

7. the Lord God ... the Almighty. ( Revelation 1:8)

8. God and Savior Jesus Christ. ( 2 Peter 1:1)

"Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy." Hebrews 1:8

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Titus 2:13 ( God, and, savior, our, Isous, Christou).

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:8

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Peter 1:1

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Hey Chris would you like to do a Bible study with me you can find me on fb or YouTube let me know and I will send the info

John 17:8 (KJV) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

Great Scripture. And we can never forget John 17:5. The Glory which Jesus had was laid aside so that He could become God's Son & the Son of Man.

Amen! They are one Even as We Are One With Them As Well According to Jesus Christ The SON Of God John 17:22 (KJV) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

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God did send out His Word by the prophets but lastly sent His final message through that same Word ( Hebrews 1:1,2), now clothed in flesh for not just in bringing out God's Word in Person, but for the main purpose, that this Word (of God, from God, as God) would lay down His Life as a full substitutionary payment for our sins.

So here is the difficulty that you have, implying: the Son of God was only that, a special separate creation, holy & sinless, Who would sacrifice His Life in our stead. Yes, He was a special creation, not out of nothing, but from God's very Being. Though the requirement of a spotless Sacrificial Lamb offering would have been met in such a (separate) creation by God, it would lack the most important aspect of such a sacrifice: that God Himself would make the payment for man's sins. This is the true & fullest expression of God's Love ( 1 John 3:16: "Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he (God) laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren."). God had to come down to the realm of sinful man, taking on his flesh & ultimately becoming the sin offering that gives full pardon to all who come to Him by faith & unequivocal love in response. If God did not take this initiative, or He (in Jesus) failed to rise from the dead, we would remain hopeless, unredeemable, consigned to hell fire for all eternity.

I pray Rob, that you & any other who is at variance to what the Scripture teaches on this important matter, might know that your salvation hangs onto the fact that God had to lay down His Life to redeem you, & that He accomplished that by coming down, sending His Word, in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who then rose again to the Father, to Whom He once prayed: "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" ( John 17:5). A very compelling Statement of Truth.

Brother Rob,

There is no need to get sharp. We are just trying to understand why you say believing Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are one with God the Father is "damning". No one is saying Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are not OF God. We are saying they are more OF God than anything else in all of creation. Nothing is more OF God than Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost. It is confusing why you think it is "damning" to believe God is in them, or they in God, more than anything else.

Please don't think anyone is trying to take anything away from God the Father. Who is of coarse Spirit and the source of all things.

Also you didn't answer the one question I asked about if you believe Christ existed before He was born on earth. Just a yes or no question. You just asked me if "I understand God was before the creation of world". Which you must not have read John 17:5 I posted for you that answers that question. Jesus stating the glory He had WITH THE FATHER before the world was.

God Bless.

In my local Sunday Bible class we are going over John 17: 14-24, KJV. The lesson is entitled, "Called As The Intercessor" Thats where I came across verse 17. And, as sometimes happens, the verse drew me to it. I'm writing because of something that was mentioned in your "People's Bible Notes." "The means of canonization is not a Pope, but the "truth." As a former Catholic i am glad to see you make that distinction. I think that's important, very important. Thank you, for taking the time to read my opinion.

I also believe Jesus Christ and God the Father to be two. Although one in each other. I do not see it ridiculous to say that. As Jesus Christ was born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. He is part God and part man like no other. No one comes to the Father but by Him. As I'm sure you know.

You can never be one with your wife as Christ is one with God. That is totally different. As Christ stating the words he spake are not of Himself but of the Father that dwelleth in Him. John 14:10 A husband and wife is not like that.

I'm not sure what you believe? Do you believe Jesus Christ was with God before the world was? As in:

John the baptist stating the Messiah existed before him John 1:15

The Word becoming flesh and dwelling among us as the only begotten of the Father John 1:14

Jesus stating "before Abraham was I am" John 8:58

Jesus stating the glory He had with the Father before the world was John 17:5

The King James version is the correct one. Use only the KJV. Do not trust any other version. Stay away from NIV or any other. There are errors in the new translations. Throw it in the dustbin. And get yourself a Strong's concordance based on the KJV. It will teach you the original meaning of every word. Read also John 17:6

Hi Jamie, that is a highly debated topic, Here is some info that might can help, Google J Vernon McGee on What happens to a Christian who commits suicide. hope that helps. My personal belief is if she was saved, she still is, and if she was a child, "under the age of accountability" certainly she still is. Eternal life is not something we can get today and loose tomorrow. Our prayers goes out to you and your family.

Hello hi i understand that you mentioned you were new to God's word. how amazing to want to know God's word as well to know him for yourself. hi my name is LaShun my condolences to you for the loss of your Loved one. I happen to be on this page as i was browsing through i came across your comment. if you have a bible like to Encourage you to read matthew 6:33 seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness; and the book of proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light and the reproofs of instruction are the way of life. i just wanted to encourage you that whatever you need help God will help you i know you maybe saying this is not nearly close to answering your [question] i know but if you search the scriptures you will everything you need to know. I added these books, and scriptures to help you know God's Commandments. when you wanted know if you commit murder (suicide) the same i pointed out what the book of Exodus God's Commandment says. Exodus 20:13 say Thou shalt not kill it says the same in the book of Deuteronomy 5:17 Thou shalt not kill so whether you kill yourself, or someone. The Ten Commandments clearly points what we should not do. you find read Exodus 20:1-17 God's Ten commandments are in the book of Deuteronomy 5:7-21 to share that with you. my prayer's are with you and love your ones. ask God in prayer to lead you and guide you to all understanding whatever it is that you are going through he will. comfort your heart matthew 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted God blessed. Happy new year

Pray for the departed. If for only that his faith were made whole. Only God can do these things! Remember ,He knows the very numbered hairs on your head! Sometimes God will reveal things to us ,to help us understand these things. Very, very important that we do not take the predetermined council of God away! Or that we have the inalienable right to do so! the war for the children's souls have already been won ,through His Son, Jesus Christ! This you must believe and teach to your children! Only Jesus Christ!

"There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son" bla bla bla Son of God.. Here does it say straight out GOD, Almight, Mighty GOD. This is not an eye problem but an heart problem for the deity of Yeshua The Messiah

1. Your throne, O God. Heb 1:8

2. Thy throne, O God. Ps 45:6

3. the Word was God. John 1:1

4. My Go.d John 20:28

5. The mighty. God Isa 9:6

6. God and Savior. Jesus Christ

7. the Lord God / the Almighty. Rev 1:8

8. God and Savior Jesus Christ. 2 Pet 1:1

"Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy." Hebrews 1:8

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Psalm 45:6

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. John 20:28

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Titus 2:13

"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ: 2 Pet 1:1

My teen daughter asked me tonight if you commit suicide will you still go to heaven. She unfortunately had a cousin who did so. I have looked and I'm new to God's word so I don't know what to tell her.

What do you think about the COVID vaccine

Are you referring to bookmarking the KJB Online site? If you're using Google/Chrome, there will be a Star at the end of the space where you see your URL. Just click on the Star & a box will pop up as to where you want the bookmarked page to be stored. It's best to be on the Site's Main Page & bookmark that one. I have all my bookmarks under Other Bookmarks. Apologies, if that is not what you were seeking.

Why do people call them self Christian but use the word of God to wish harm upon a person?

Why do people who call them self Christian rejoice in evil upon the innocent?

Why do people who call themselves Christians rejoice in evil towards other Christians

As Christians we believe in the Trinity, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, which is impossible to understand with our finite minds,

I believe one needs to read the first chapter of John (where he calls Jesus the Word) and also 1 John chapters 4 and 5 we may have a better understanding of the Trinity

John 1:1

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

1 John 5:5

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

1 John 5:7

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

1 John 5:8

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

God the father almighty alone , gave Jesus his lordship and highest position that is still in subjection the Father , yet Jesus is lord and king above all others . So Jesus is First in The fathers house . But the Father is still Lord over Jesus .

It's the father Son relationship.

So simple yet men can't get it , it seems .

Yes over 40 times Jesus is called the Son of God .

So simple a child can understand .

A child or first Son is first in his fathers house is equal and has all privileges. But he is the Son not the father .

Case closed .

Paul also said let this mind be in you as it was in Christ so you claim to be God ?

In God and receiving the benefits is one thing , Actually Being God is quite another .

Even the devils know there is one God , this is elementary stuff .

Hello Bob,

What would you say about these Scriptures:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

A couple other translations of Philippians 2:6 Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality.

who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,

In God's own form existed he, and shared with God equality, deemed nothing needed grasping.

As the KJV is the best translation from the Greek. Most others hack it up.

God Bless.

Is there anything in the King James bible about politics or dems and rep

You are correct, that there was no requirement for Jesus to be baptized, whether required by Jewish Law or for any need of repentance. As Jesus said, that this act of His was to "fulfil all righteousness, for both of them" ( Matthew 3:15).

By this statement of Jesus, I understand that Jesus identified with John the Baptist, in his specific calling as a prophet & ministry of being the "voice in the wilderness, crying, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." This gave a Divine & public testimony to John, as much as it was confusing to him that rather he should be the baptizee.

Also, this occasion was for the inauguration of Jesus' Ministry, where the Godhead (the Trinity) was involved in the affirmation of the ministry & the empowerment to do so. So we find that the Father gave His Approval (verse 17) & the Spirit came specifically upon Him in a public 'testimony' manner (verse 16), thereby giving the Divine Declaration that this is indeed the Holy One from God, Who through His Sacrifice will accomplish much more than John could ever do, even to the 'spiritual' baptizing with the "Holy Ghost & with fire"; Who will also be their Judge, "thoroughly purge(ing) his floor, and gather(ing) his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (vv 11,12).

So, we see that this was not the usual baptism that John was giving to others: sinners demonstrating their sinful condition & need for cleansing. This was done to accomplish & publicly testify to Jesus' higher Calling: you can call it 'Jesus' inauguration service', just as those in the early Church were commended to service & even today, as the elders of a Fellowship lay hands upon & commend those going out to serve the Lord in full-time service.

To fulfil the Law. Our LORD kept all commandments. JESUS is the way. We follow in the way. We Follow JESUS. because He was baptised in Water...so must we be baptised in water for the remission of sin . Love and Peace be with you always

What was the purpose of Christ's baptism? I know Jesus said it was to

fulfill righteousness, but I still don't understand since John's baptized unto repentance. Jesus was sinless with no need for repentance. Thank you.

Well at least you recognize that the Lord God almighty gave Jesus these authorities etc . That's good .

I for one never except error .

That's like excepting another's sin .

The proof is all in the scriptures. But I think many sleep while reading them . They strain at an obscure verse and neglect the theme of Scriptures.

That's the best you can do ?

Keep reading I will pray for you !