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Hello Bob,

That is correct. I don't have a problem with people saying Jesus is God.

If you do then that's your issue. As my post was only to make peace. I do not call Jesus Christ the Father. Lots of other people do though so it's them you quarrel with I guess. I say the Father is in Jesus Christ and He in the Father. Just as our Lord states in John 14:10.

Yes the Father has authority over all. But you seem to put Jesus Christ on our level? God our Father has given all His authority to His Son Jesus Christ. He has all the power of the Father. You said to someone else "I agree that Jesus and the Father are One". How you interpret that is up to you.

Jesus Christ is the exact representation of the Father. As in Hebrews 1:2-3. God our Father is Spirit not human.

Yes I also would say Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father. I would also say the Father has given Him a throne also. Matthew 28:18, Matthew 25:31, Revelation 3:21

A couple verses showing the Oneness of God and Christ. Revelation 5:13, Revelation 22:1, Revelation 22:3

God Bless you.

Hebrews 1 V 8 KJV The Scripture says unto the Son thy Throne O GOD is Forever and ever and a sceotre of righteousness is the sceptre is THY KINGDOM , THIS IS PLAINLY CALLING CHRIST GOD THE SON, When ya say that Christ is not God the son you are in essence saying that GOD NEVA HAD AN ABSOLUTE SON, how sick is that ? Jesus had to be God the son simply b/c mans blood cd neva atone for the sins of the world, He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world then here comes these devils making all these derogatory remarks about his deity they don't realize that if he were not God his body and blood wd be no atonement for the sins of the world,mans blood cd neva atone as jesus said outa of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil. Thats y John was preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world . Then there is that hidden facet to the cross which is multiplication of very God in humanity via the seed of Christ , He said smite the shephard ( his death ) then the sheep will be scattered then I will turn my hand to the little ones which are the babes and sucklings that are baby Christs that are gonna a be born in US via his seed, which are the Children of PROMISE THE LITTLE ONES . Whosover receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth ME. see the multiplication via his seed the living words of God the Promise CHILDREN OUR NEW BIRTH ETC. Our fruit unto God. His CHILDREN ARE GODS THAT ARE GONNA BE BORN IN US WHICH ARE SPIRITS THE ISRAEL OF GOD. REMEMBER TO WHOM THE WORD CAME HIS SEED IT MADE THEM GODS. And the scriptures cannot be broken our lord said. Even in the natural when a seed dies it multiplies . Thus Gods plural,Remember God almighty swore by his very self when he made that promise of Christ being multiplied as the stars of heaven Thats y JESUS said to whom the WORD came it made them GODS PLURAL That are GONA BE BORN IN US. He does not multiply after the human kind simply b/c his seed is the living word seed the of God.GB

There is not a single verse that says Jesus is God the Son , that's backwards for the Son of God . There may be some things lost in translation over the years, but the clear and theme of the entire scripture is Jesus is Gods Son sent by God to save the world , or Savior .

There is only one Lord God that sits on the throne , and it may shock some to find it's not Jesus sitting on the throne , ask your self why not , then who is on the throne ? The Same lord that has always been on the Throne , and Jesus is his FIRST Son is at his right hand . But Jesus is not sitting on the throne the Father is on the throne . According to James there is one God even the devils know this !

It was God the Father that Commanded everything to multiply after its Kind ( seed ).No exceptions and that's how we know without a doubt Jesus is Truly God the Son simply b/c Jesus multiplies REPRODUCES after his KIND via his Seed the LIVING WORD WHICH IS THE VERY SEED OF GOD . To whom the WORD ( HIS SEED ) came it made them Gods And the scriptures cannot be broken. When he breathe on them that was his WORD which is his SEED that propagates after Gods kind , thats y he said receive ye the H.G. which is Spirit exactly like God is Spirit, And the H.G. fell on them that heard his WORDS which is spirit saying my WORDS are spirit and life, ONLY GOD CD MULTIPLY AFTER THE GOD KIND BUT WE SEE THAT CHRIST CD MULTiPLY AFTER The GOD KIND saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the h.g. that new heart and new spirit which is Christ being formed in via his seed the Word which is the multiplciation of Christ the H.G. Remember that was the great Promise is will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven thats y the sower will go forth and sow his precious seed in humanity when the book is opened which is the new covenant a woman in travail and birth pains , This can only be done by the WORDS of JESUS the seeds of the sower that are gona be sown in our hearts, The woman and her Children are the direct result of the sower and his seed That will fulfill that Promise of multiplication making Christ to be as the stars of heaven in multitude,Remember it was God himself that made that great Promise when he swore by himself ,Thus you ppl that gag at 3 are gonna be sick when ya see that Christ/God is gonna be multiplied as the stars of Heaven, That Great PROMISE. After the woman gives birth John says Now is come salvation and the KINGDOM of our God and the power of his Christ the Children of Promise that will come via his Seed the words of the BOOK.Ya gotta realize that Christ is an Absolute Son, Have fun counting the Stars j.w.'s See the GOD KIND .GBU

You said that you have no problem with people that say Jesus is God !

I do because Jesus is of God a huge difference. If Jesus is God then He is God on the Throne not at the right hand of God on the throne as I speak .

Jesus is the Son of God .

A Son obeys his father !

The father always has authority over all his sons while in his house . God rules everywhere so We all including Jesus are in Gods domain .

If your son at home did his own will and ignored you , he would not be well pleasing to you .

Jesus always acknowledges the father and obedience to him .

And you will never find in the scriptures that Jesus is God . But will find over 40 times Jesus is the Son of God even by Gods own witness . I stick with the word of God . So clear it is !

Praise be to Jesus he goes to the father and will come again !

My brothers, Bob and Mild Bill

This truly is something that seems to greatly divide the body of Christ. Some people like to say "Jesus is God" and some like to say "Jesus is only the Son of God and not equal to the Father". I guess me posting this is to bring peace between us and not argue over things which, through picking different verses, can be deemed different ways. Jesus Christ is the only beloved Son of God. Born of a virgin conceived by the Holy Ghost. I'm sure we all agree on that. Jesus Christ is a man as to no other man to have ever walked this earth. Filled with the Holy Spirit of His Father. Doing miracles no one had ever experienced before in all of time. Truly God was in Him.

I am not taking one side or the other in this. I have no problem with people saying "Jesus Christ is God". Or people saying "He is the Son of God". He is, was, and always shall be. Jesus Christ is the only way unto the Father and is One with the Father. Everything has been given to Him by His Father. He is our King and Lord. God our Father want's us to honor the Son even as we honor the Father. John 5:19-23

May the Lord bring peace among us who are with Jesus Christ. We do not need division. The enemy wants us divided. I pray we may come together in peaceful conversation about things not of this world as they are from above. As none of us knows everything. Through the Holy Spirit I pray bring us together my Father. Teach us in your great knowledge and glory in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

John 14.28

Ye have how I said unto you , I go away and come again unto you . If you loved me ye would rejoice , because I said , I GO UNTO THE FATHER : FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I .

John 13 v16

Verily verily , I say unto you the servant is not greater than his lord : neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him .

John 13 v 20

A few verses of so many . Jesus is OF God and Truly God with us because he is born of God . But Jesus is servant to his father . Not equal in that way .

Jesus was sent by the father . And Jesus did as the father instructed him . If Jesus was equal to the father he never would have needed the fathers help in any way . And would just act independently of the father . But Jesus was servant to the father . God on the throne has no counselling from anyone . But does his own will .

I agree that Jesus and the father are one ! Because he is Born of God . The son of God .

Jesus said my father is greater than I , so you err !

Jesus prayed to the father because the father was greater than he , so you err !

Bob, you err.

"I and my Father are one.(equal)" John 10:30 This is the case scripture makes for the equality of the persons of God, you err.

The Jews understood the claims of Jesus,"because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God." John 10:33 Bob, you diminish God because he does not fit your sin tainted logic, and that is tragic.

Here we can see that Jesus is totally acknowledging that God is his father and all things he has was giving him from the father . Even the fathers word was given to him .

Yes Jesus is from God the father , but not equal to the father , because he received from the father all things .

Case closed . Jesus is the Son of God .

I think you are looking for John 17:6-14

John 17:25-26, from Jesus Christ, states it better. Instead of using the word "seen".

John 17:9 Jesus prays "not for the world", yet we sing upon His birth Joy To The World. Why do we do that? Maybe we should sing Joy To God's Chosen.

I must commend you for ending your prayer in the Name of Jesus. As you well know, Jesus is the Name of the Savior. Colossians 3:17 says"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him." So by praying in the Name of Jesus, you are praying to God. Salvation came only by Jesus ( Acts 4:12; Matthew 1:21; John 17:6; Luke 3:31; John 1:14) So when you pray in the name of Jesus, you are praying to God. All of the fullness of God is in Jesus( Colossians 1:19). We are saved through Jesus--He died on the Cross and provided the means of escape for the whole world. The demons tremble at the name of Jesus( James 2:19) Again, I commend you for praying in Jesus' Name and ending your prayer in Jesus' Name. There is no other name given to us whereby we must be saved. Jesus even said that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in His name ( Luke 24:47). It is through His name that we are baptized ( Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38; Acts 3: 19) I am so grateful to find believers who still hold to the Bible. God bless you and may God keep you is my prayer. I hope I provided some insight into Name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Just to add: I also see that Jesus' sin bearing act which was based on such great Love for us, also meant a temporary loss of fellowship & communion with the Father - one that He constantly enjoyed prior to this time ( John 14:10, John 17:5, John 5:19,20).

In His great agony & distress, such an estrangement would have been almost unbearable, even comparable to the responsibility He carried by having all our sin & guilt placed upon Him. At a time when comfort, any comfort, would have given some small relief, the Father remained quiet, not allowing anything to hamper or hinder that ultimate work of salvation. Jesus knew this, but in His Humanity, His Cry was not just because of the pain in the flesh, but the pain of losing that constant blessed fellowship & ministry which was His right by His position in the Godhead.

I wonder whether Jesus' anguish & pain was also not felt by the Father - that it must have been a difficult response by God to remain incommunicado & estranged even for a short period of time. The break in any fellowship can be painful. But when sin is not the basis for pain & suffering, the agony becomes so much worse, yet it's ensuing result became the hope & joy of the world.

I'm unsure which event you are referring to. John 15:19 and John 17:14 shows Jesus saying, that people would hate us (followers of Christ) because we're not like them (of the world) - we don't behave or follow their ways.

But if you're writing about some worldly affairs that we should not be a part of, then you are correct to a point. God has given us the privilege of living in a World prepared for our habitation & enjoyment. There will be many things happening within 'our world' & 'outside our world' of significance. And we will have to deal with all those things, not just with our minds, but also our decisions on how to act. I'm unsure if you are thinking of any specific aspect of worldly affairs but I believe we can be involved in some way with the actions of local/federal government, or against the evils going on around us, or just being salt & light in those dark areas bringing out the light & beauty of Kingdom life. There will be things that the world does that will hold no interest to us or will add nothing to our faith & walk with the Lord (such as their worldly pleasures & pursuits); we can overlook & avoid such things & not clutter our minds & lives with them.

However, you may be thinking of something else or some Scripture that brings out your thoughts.

We are One

When one is hurt, All are harmed.

When one is helped, All are Healed,

Therefore, in the name of who "I AM",

and I am One with All; Always In All Ways

I ask in Service to SourceINfinite CreatorThe Great Spirit Lord JesusAdonia Jeohshua that which is the Highest Good of All Concerned happen Here And Now and through all time and Space.

I give thanks that this is done.

So Be It And So It IS

John 17:20-23

20 "I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who [j]will believe in Me through their word;

21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one:

23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.

Alex, may the Spirit (Holy Ghost) continue birthing His wisdom and knowledge in you.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 17:21-22 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe thou has sent me.

(22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that we may be one, even as we are one.

Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith (of the Holy Ghost), and the knowledge of the Son of God (Holy Ghost), unto a perfect (mature) man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ (Holy Ghost)

1 Corinthians 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not, for some have not the knowledge of God (Holy Ghost): I speak this to your shame.

The Jews generally pray facing Jerusalem, as Muslims do facing Mecca. The Scripture that Jews use to support this is found in 1 Kings 8:35,36: "When heaven is shut up, and there is no rain, because they have sinned against thee; if they pray toward this place, and confess thy name, and turn from their sin, when thou afflictest them: Then hear thou in heaven, and forgive the sin of thy servants, and of thy people Israel, that thou teach them the good way wherein they should walk, and give rain upon thy land, which thou hast given to thy people for an inheritance".

Other supporting Scriptures: Daniel 6:10 and Psalm 5:7

When Jesus prayed, He looked up towards Heaven, even though He was in Jerusalem when He could have faced the Temple. ( John 17:1). Also, Luke 9:16. However, when the eyes of the Jews are opened & they see, recognize & put their faith in Jesus Christ, then their eyes will no longer be turned to Jerusalem.

Learn to read it your self , there are so many commentary prophets that talk lots but do not understand much avoid them , spare your self . Ask God to teach you he can .

Read the gospels , try to hear what God is saying

I want to learn more about the bible

To clarify, are you suggesting that there is no God in Heaven except Jesus, Who is God? Or, maybe that Jesus is Our God, so the God in Heaven is no longer our God? It would be difficult to prove that only Jesus (as God) is presently in Heaven.

To do so, then a lot of other Scriptures would have to be negated, when Jesus says: John 16:16.17 "I go to the Father"; John 20:17 "I ascend to my Father...and to My God"; Hebrews 8:1, 10:12, Mark 16:19, Romans 8:34, 1 Peter 3:22 "at the right Hand of God" & many more.

I earnestly hope that I have misunderstood your comments as the abundance of Scripture is given for us to know that there is still a God in Heaven & His Word made flesh has now ascended victorious & glorious, seated at His Father's right Hand, receiving the worship as One inclusive in the eternal Godhead.

You said: "The mystery of the Trinity, then, is not in God dividing himself into 2 or 3 separate parts. The mystery is in the way Jesus speaks to us." With the Scriptures before us, and they don't lie, the "mystery of the Trinity" in part, is that the Eternal God has in His Love, chosen to give of Himself as the only Sacrifice that would satisfy His demands of justice & redemption. An unblemished animal was a temporal covering for sin which could never remove the guilt & consequences of sin. God had to provide His Own Lamb, which He did ( Isaiah 53:7, John 1:29), which no animal or man could fulfil. God the Father did not leave Heaven to accomplish this task but He sent forth His Word clothed in flesh to do so ( John 1:1-14) & called this Word, His beloved Son. God also sent forth His Spirit to empower His Son for service & power to all who repent & call upon Him that they too may be one as They are One ( John 17:21-26).

God cannot be divided into three parts, else we might conclude, three gods. He has revealed Himself in His Fullness, in tri-unity, without which He could not be the God He reveals to us & what He accomplishes for us. Blessings.

In Bible days, men wore robes or gowns. When they fought or ran, they had to gird up their loins ( 2 Kings 4:29, 9:1; and 1 Peter 1:13). This was done by tucking their robes into their girdles, or what we would call belts, Therefore, Paul was saying that truth is the belt that allows us to fight without being entangled in our garments. Those who do not surround themselves with truth will become entangled in their own webs of deceit and will fall.

Please remember that we can always stand on God's Word because it is the truth ( John 17:17) and never forget that Jesus will always be: the Way, the Truth, and the Life. ( John 14:6)

Such as Jesus said in John 17:5:

"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

The Great Commission of Matthew 28:19 is one of the greatest commands in the Bible. Jesus told his disciples to "GO". We are to go therefore and teach all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost. Baptism is essential. If it were not, Jesus would not have given us this command. We Must baptize by immersion, the way they did it in biblical times, in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and HolyGhost. Father, Son, and HolyGhost are not a single name. So what is the name of the Father, and what is the name of the Son, and what is the name of the HolyGhost. Jesus said in St. John 17:6 that He manifested the name of the Father to the world. Colossians clearly tells us that all of Godhead rest in Jesus( Colossians 2:9). Therefore, we are to be baptized in the Name of Jesus. None of the apostles baptized using the titles Father, Son, and HolyGhost. They understood the Great Commission that He gave them. Jesus is the Name of the Father, Son, and the HolyGhost. He is the Father in creation. All things were made by Him(John1:3). He is the Son in redemption; for without the shedding of blood, there would be no remission of sin. God is a Spirit. The invisible God became visible in flesh(John1:14; Isaiah 40:3; 1Timothy3:16; Revelation 1:13; Colossians 2:9, etc) Jesus is the HolyGhost that fell on believers in the upper room ( Acts 2:4). No one in biblical times was baptized any other way--except in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. This Great Commission is going all over the world. Jesus is the Messiah, He is the name of Savior of the world. Neither is there salvation in any other for there is no other name under heaven given whereby we must be saved( Acts 4:12). Therefore, we must adhere to the words of the Great Commission given by our Savior and go into the world baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the HolyGhost. Teaching them to observe all things, and lo I am with you even unto the end of the world

I love this chapter !

John 17

To those that have understanding it's very clear !

That's an interesting question, Mishael, but I'm unsure whether all the words that Rob requested can be found in a single verse. I'm was also thinking of John 17:5, 6; Philippians 2:6-8; Galatians 4:4; Isaiah 9:6, 7; plus John 1:1-14 quoted earlier. Hopefully, you can add further to this. In any case, from the abundance of Scriptures we have, it's not hard to discern Who Jesus is, the one & the same, both pre-incarnate & as a Man.

Hello Adam,

Yes, I am a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The standard I only desire to use is God's Word, and this is the only standard anyone can use regarding the truth( John 17:17).

Whether we, still imperfect in our sinful flesh, can "know" if we are saved or not is a good question. God tells us to examine ourselves, to see if we are in the faith( 2 Cor. 13:5). We examine if we are walking in agreement with God.

The whole of God's Word shows us that once we are born again, we become a new creature( 2 Corinthians 5:17). We are to be dead to our old ways. Dead to the ways of the world, because the world is wicked( 1 John 5:19). We are not to continue practicing sin( Titus 2:12, James 1:27).

We will still sin because we are still imperfect. ( Romans 7:23-24, Philippians 3:12, Ephesians 4:13). The difference is we do not continue PRACTICING sin, or WILLFULLY sinning. God does not judge by appearance, but by the TRUE state of our HEARTS( Luke 16:15, John 7:24).

If we continue our old practice - our dead in our sins way of living AFTER we become saved, we were never saved/born again to begin with( Hebrews 10:26, Hebrews 10:38-39, 1 John 2:15, 2 Peter 2:20-22).

We are still in the world but we are not of the world( John 17:16, Romans 12:2). On the contrary, we are tasked by the Lord to be examples & witnesses to the world( Philippians 2:15, Matthew 5:14, Romans 10:9-11, 13-15, 2 Corinthians 4:13).

This, I believe, is the "key" to knowing whether or not we are truly saved. If we truly believe.

Dear Palm,

All things are possible with God, Palm. After all, we were all one before Martin Luther. Let us pray that Jesus wish to the Father ( John 17:21 kjv)

"That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me."

We should not underestimate the power of God, Palm. There is nothing that God cannot do. We need to stop our inter-famiily squabbles and come together as Christ wants. After all, we all have the same Master.

AMDG,

Mike

John 17:15 "I pray not that THOU shouldest take them out of the world, but that THOU shouldest keep them from the evil"

Note: in 2020 we should not become fearful or overwhelmed by this dreadful hour that is upon mankind, because JESUS (see John 17:15) has prayed for us, thereby GOD shall keep us, so we do not have to know or understand how GOD will keep us, but through FAITH we can be assured this PRAYER OF JESUS for us SHALL be answered by GOD.

John 17:20 neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Note: this whole PRAYER OF JESUS is both directly & indirectly concern with SALVATION for all mankind, thereby blessed them and us that believed on JESUS according John 3:16-21, thereby our name is written in The BOOK of LIFE ( Revelation 20:15).