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John 4:24

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

2 Thessalonians 4:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that HE AS God sitteth in the temple of God, SHOWING HIMSELF that he is "God."

[I just want to highlight the fact that the Antichrist will sit on the throne in the 3rd Temple, so as to prove to himself.that he is "god".

He is deceived, and will try to deceive the world that he is god.]

There is much more info of this on Nelson Walters youtube website. The videos are very informative.

Streetpreacher

BTW, I forgot to mention the fact that her telling others in the town resulted in many more believing ( John 4:28-42). I also like to remember that in this instance, He and His disciples were in Samaria, and Jews for the most part never entered there or passed thru that area to travel to other destinations. But Jesus was just as concerned for the Gentile, as the Jew. He ministers to all who will come....

Brother Paul,

Amen. The scripture's you present here is clearer than crystal clear water!

We only need to drink from this ever flowing water.

John 4:14

"But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life."

God Bless.

In your gossiping of this woman I never heard you say that she is sleeping around with other men, especially 5 husbands? But made a commitment to 1. By your own admittance you said" Those others in the class know of her situation and are concerned also" is gossip. John 4:18 says she had 5 husbands-past tense and with another 1 presence. In John 4: I did not read where JESUS condemned the woman but said she spoke the truth. You feel you must bring whaling accusations and attention to this one seeking to study our LORD in your group ( Luke 6:42). This poor woman come to study the WORD of GOD and all you in the group are talking behind her back about something that is none of your business; between her, the man and GOD!

I can see how Islam has grown & spread since its inception, but can you honestly use Ezekiel 43:1-6 relating it to Muslims building the temple? I've read the passage many times, indeed the whole Book of Ezekiel, but I note that it's the "glory of the God of Israel" that will one day enter in "from the way of the east". From chapters 40 to the end, we read the prophecies concerning Israel during the Millenial Kingdom (the new Temple, God's Glory returned, new Service of Worship, & a new Holy Land). It will be a time when Israel & all those saved through Christ's Blood will be in that Holy City - all others, including Muslims who reject Jesus Christ, debarred.

Now how this Temple & its similarities to the old (under the Covenant of Law) fit together is still unknown: whether only symbolic by its presence or operational under the New Covenant, with changes, is unclear. But the prophecy is given & since that time, no temple of such magnitude has been built. It gave meaning & hope to the exiles that they would be released & one day Israel would be re-established in their God-given land. As well, I couldn't comprehend what John 4:23,24 has to do with the above, seeing that Jesus was speaking about His Presence amongst them & the coming Holy Spirit.

Amen Whosoever:

We are Jews by the circumcision of our heart; we ought be referring to ourselves as Jews as does God's word.

I am only a Jew by new birth, but God's has caused me to understand those seven feast will honoured and fulfilled.

God Bless YOU!

Did you know the word/term christian(s) only appears 3 times in the gospels/epistles (Jn.5:39)? (1st mentioned in Acts 11:26)

I would like to draw everyone's attention to vs 19 to 26 of this chapter [spirit & truth], let it sink in 4 a while!

Salvation IS Of/BY the JEW(S)! otherwise we gentiles worship we "..know not what.." as christianity is a 'middle eastern' (not western) religion in origin ( Acts 11:26)!

TIME TO COME HOME!

Please read/understand the *booklet & **book "The Seven Feasts Of Israel" by the late *Zola Levitt; **"Aligining With God's Appointed Times" by **Jason Sobel;

Then, WELCOME HOME MISCHOPAH :-) kol tuv etc ...

[grafted in & then fed from the same source (soil/word of God)]

Messiah YESHUA/JESUS Christ IS LORD! Amen? AMEN!

Maranatha!

Brother Jesse:

In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.

Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.

All this is being played out in God's appointed time.

I AM the beginning and the end.

I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).

All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.

The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.

You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.

You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.

My people perish for lack of knowledge.

This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE

Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.

John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.

To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.

God Bless YOU!

It will be recalled that when Jesus was offered wine to relieve His agonies at the cross he refused (although he was given the sour vinegar stuff right before He died). ( Matthew 27:34 as compared with John 19:29). Hence in that case the alcohol was for antiseptic purposes; when in the first it would have mitigated suffering. The verse in 1 Tim. 5:23 implores Timothy because of bad water and digestive issues to drink a little wine. Christ was accused of being a "winebibber" in Matthew 11:19 clearly demonstrates that indeed there were alcoholic beverages He and the disciples would partake in (as the wedding in Cana would also suggest since it was tasted by the official there and verified as such).

As Paul warns; not all things we are at liberty to do should be done. Firstly; we need to consider ourselves and anyone around us to make sure no one has problems with alcohol OR is a believer such as the person you responded to in order not to offend them with your liberties. That short of family settings and perhaps one or two close friends gets pretty difficult. Even drinking a bit to excess can be a slippery slope. At any event; clearly it isn't a sin to do this in context; and the fact it was used for many centuries as a pain killer when other more effective techniques only recently developed; as Proverbs states it is for those who are in great pain ( Proverbs 31:6-7). Those dying should be given pain relief is Solomon's message; but of course we shouldn't be drawn to excesses as he was as the rest of Proverbs teaches us with wisdom after the fact.

Simply being a distraction from God or enjoying any substance that is controlling us is dangerous. We have to be ever vigilant; such benefits as resveritol found in red grapes and in wine can certainly

Referring to John 46, a lovely person I know, who was born again and gave up all vises to serve Jesus, told me that the water Jesus turned to wine, was nonalcoholic, nonfermented. That Jesus never drank wine that contained alcohol..She said drunkeness was a sin. Believing that last statement, I also believe that the wine that Jesus created at the wedding was alcoholic and that it can be consumed without allowing yourself to become drunk. Yes I do have a glass of wine on occasion but do not get drunk. Is there any proof in the Bible that tells if this wine was with alcohol or not.? Thankyou.

I'm sorry, but I question even the smallest things I read in the Bible. Not because I don't believe. I certainly do believe have faith and trust and love for God and Jesus. Questioning helps me to understand things better. Everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and interpretations. I question to find the reasons for mine. Thank you Linda

Romans 13:14 - But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

I think it sets us apart, as followers of Jesus; to dress modestly. To let the Light of Jesus be what attracts others to us. A prospective husband is well able to be attracted your inner beauty first.

The four loves in the Bible:

* Storge - empathy bond.

* Philia - friend bond.

* Eros - romantic love.

* Agape - unconditional (God kind of love)

Other types of love:

* Philautia - Self-love.

* Pragma - Enduring Love.

* Ludus - Playful Love.

* Mania - Obsessive Love

Agapelove is the highest level of love referenced in the Bible. This form of love is everlasting and sacrificial, whether or not the giver receives the same level of love in return. In the original Greek translation of the Scriptural passage "God is love," the word agapewas specifically used to identify the type of love God embodies (1 John 4:8,

1 Corinthians 13, John 21:17)

2Kings 4:1,

I take it to simply describe: she was a wife of the son's of the Prophets. To indicate as she stated; they, or he "feared GOD" & served GOD, likely dedicated his life to GOD. A Prophet has a difficult call! If you read the accounts of Prophets that truly served GOD & Feared HIM, you may understand more why it was approached this way. She was wanting favor from GOD, help in return for family service, it seems to also set a precedence for us & our families, that serve & fear GOD:. Psalms 37:25,

John 4:44, Luke 4:24,

To understand the call of the Prophet of GOD, read the books of: Jeremiah, Exodus, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Jonah, Malachi, Amos 7:14-17, Hosea, 1Kings 13, Deuteronomy 18:20, Habakkuk, Zechariah, etc.

Hopefully these are helpful

John 13:35, "By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another."

True Christians can not persecute true Christians; only false converts can encourage true Believers in Christ to suffer severe persecution for His names' sake. How will all men know without a shadow of a doubt, who are the real Christ followers verses the false professing ones?

The answer is stated in Matthew 7:16, "Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"

Matthew 7:18, "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit."

Love is one of the fruits that is mentioned first in Galatians 5:22-23, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

1John 4:20, "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"

True Love, God's Agape love does not persecute another child of God for doing what God says to do in His Holy Word. A person will know who is who by the fruit on a person's tree. That is how an Believer will be able to discern a true Christ followers from an affected (phony) one.

That is why in John 16:2 it says, "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."

When Saul before he became Paul before he had a road to Damascus experience: he was on a mission to slaughter all the Christians in certain territories, when Christ, thank God, interrupted his plans. Paul considered himself the least of the apostles because of his past persecutions against the church of God.

1Corinthians 15:9, "For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God."

But now that Saul was transformed by the Holy Spirit, he is now a new creature.

Prophets, Prophetic, gifts of Prophecy in New Testament

Romans 12:6,

2Peter 1:16-21,

1Timothy 4:14,

Revelation 1:3,

Gifting working within the Body: 1Corinthians 12, 1Corinthians 13, direction concerning in Church: 1Corinthians 14:29-40,

Prophets yet to come: Revelation 11:3-19, false prophet yet to come: Revelation 16:12-15, Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20:10,

Revelation 19:10,

Revelation 22,

John the Baptist referred to as Prophet: Luke 1:76, Luke 3:4, Matthew 13:57, Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, Luke 7:26,28, Luke 20:3-20, John 1:19-37,

Acts 3:22-26, Acts 7:35-60, Titus 1:12,

Matthew 10:41,

Jesus talking about Prophets in HIS day, referred to himself also: Matthew 21:26, Matthew 11:9, Mark 11:32, John 4:4,

Luke 13:33, Luke 24,

Paul & others acknowledged prophecy, Prophets, even Women that did Prophecy: Acts 21:8-14,

Hope these are helpful

Hello sir or madam, I am happy to dialog with you if you share your name so I know who I'm communicating with and if you are respectful. Just saying someone is "incorrect" without any scriptures to back it up isn't getting off on the right foot, however.

I believe all will be judged on a particular day because the Bible says the phrase "day of judgment", "the day when", the "last day". It doesn't say there's multiple days of judgment or a week or month or years of judgment, or that judgment is only whenever you die. Here's some examples:

1 John 4:17 "day of judgment"

Matthew 12:36 "day of judgment"

2 Peter 2:9 "day of judgment"

Matthew 11:22 "day of judgment"

2 Corinthians 5:10 "we must all"

Romans 2:16 - "the day when"

John 12:48 "last day"

Revelation 20:12-15 is a vision, but that verse also indicates multitudes judged at once does it not? So, the scriptural support is strong. Do you feel you have just as much scriptural support against this? Do you know of any verses that say the the opposite?

Aside from being a particular day, you questioned that all will be judged, and suggested 2 different judgments.

We also know this judgment is for everyone, because in verse 15 it says those not found in the book of life were cast into the fire. So, this event sorted people. It doesn't say that in this judgment ALL went to hell or ALL went to heaven. A judgment is a judgment of each individual "according to their works" and determines where they go according to verse 15.

"If that's what you are saying, then that is incorrect."

If your belief is based on scripture then please share it. If your belief is not based on scripture then you have greater concerns.

"Otherwise, how are we to know if what you believe is the correct truth?"

Since you didn't provide any scriptural support someone is more likely to ask you this.

God bless.

Billy:

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the SAVIOUR OF ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that God sent his Son to be SAVIOUR OF THE WORLD.

Christ CANNOT be saviour of the world: without SAVING THE WORLD.

Acts 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS by that man who he hath ordained; whereof he hath GIVEN ASSURANCE unto ALL MEN, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Isaiah 26:9 ...when thy judgements (second resurrection) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world (those raised back into their flesh at the second resurrection) WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

God Bless You!

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Why then should a man express such love to God? Please read 1 John 4:9-21, particularly noting that the sacrifice of His Son was the ultimate declaration of His Love for every sinner. And in response, "we love him, because he first loved us". This love is similar to that shown to one's family, yet much greater. If a sinner has been forgiven & released from guilt, his love towards God should know no bounds, for sin's weight has been removed, new life has been given him, God's Spirit takes up residence in him sealing him & giving him power to live in joy & victory.

So this can never be a matter with the 'human brain'; for sure, we can understand these words with the mind, but it's only our spirit that can be convicted, renewed, & respond with extreme gratitude to the Lord Who has reached down to us & done all this for us. We might willingly self-sacrifice for the good of our families, but will the Christian be willing to sacrifice his life for the Lord, if demanded? The true believer always will. Why? Because he is no longer his own, he belongs to the Lord, & the same Lord will empower him giving him the confidence & courage to face every test.

So, this is the love that the Bible speaks of. The faith that God gives us to call upon Him & to believe in Him, is the faith that makes our view of Him, our knowledge of Him, & our relationship with Him very, very real - not seeing with physical eyes but with the spiritual, & the Spirit revealing Jesus & His Word to us. A lot of words shared here Roy, but I hope that it goes some way to explain this Agapao (love), how we can have this special love for others, but fully expressed toward the God Who gave His All, His Best for our redemption & to be His eternal possession. Many in this world know all about God & His Ways, some even in the pulpit, but only those possessed by Him, living each day for Him, are called His children. May the Lord grant you help & understanding of His Love for you & your response to Him.

DOES MAN HAVE LIFE OF HIMSELF OF IS MAN A VESSEL

Genesis 2:7 ..... and breathed into his (man's) nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE

John 14:6 I (GOD) am the way, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

God is the ONLY LIFE.

John 4:24 God is Spirit ....

Job 33:3 The Spirit of God hath made me (the vessel), and the BREATH of the Almighty hath give me (the vessel) LIFE.

Job 34:14 If he (God, SPIRIT, LIFE) set his heart upon man (the vessel), if he (Spirit, life) gathered unto himself HIS SPIRIT and HIS BREATH (LIFE),

Job 34:15 All flesh (vessels) should perish together, and man shall turn into DUST.

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such a one TO SATAN for the DESTRUCTION OF THE FLESH, that the SPIRIT may BE SAVED in the day of the LORD.

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY ......

1 Corinthians 15:37 ....thou sowest not that body THAT SHALL BE ...

1 Corinthians 15:38 .....but to every man (the vessel) HIS (GOD'S, SPIRIT'S) OWN BODY ......

The body that was raised at (the first) RESURRECTION.

John 11:25 ....I AM THE RESURRECTION ......

Ephesian 4:4 There is ONE (resurrected) BODY, and ONE SPIRIT ....

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD (is SPIRIT) and FATHER OF ALL ...(children of the Spirit).

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods, and all of you the children of the most High.

Psalms 82:7 But ye (vessels of flesh, dust) shall die like men (no life of yourself) and fall like one of the princes (of this world).

God Bless You!

2 Peter 2:1 - But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Mark 13:22

For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Matthew 24:24

For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

2 Peter 2:1

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 Corinthians 11:13

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Matthew 7:21-23 - Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 1

John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1 Timothy 4:1 - Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Revelation 22:19 - And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Mishael: The Holy Spirit will give spiritual discernment if you ask for it. Pay attention to the "catches" in your born again spirit. Prove from the Bible what is taught to you.

Thank you. That happened to me 35 years ago, as a new Christian. The Lord helped me, every step I took. All I knew, was to run to the Cross.

The Devil is jealous because the Lord has covered us completely with love, mercy and Grace.

1 John 4:4 - Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Dear Spencer

I will not go through verses again since it seems me and you interpret them in a different way. OK we agree that the Israeletes will be saved sometime in the future. If I understood right you take prophesies from the OT about a kingdom of Israel with king Jesus as literal ( I believe this Israel is the spiritual Israel, the church). Assume this is right. So sometime later on, Jesus will arrive back and rule on earth with His people, the Israeletes. When is this going to happen? Is it before antichrist comes and rules on earth? In that case antichrist and his people that will come will beat (?) Jesus and His people?.If Jesus'arrival is after antichrist then we talk about the fight of Armageddon? But in Revelation John tell us that those beheaded by antichrist will sit on thrones and rule with Jesus, not Israel? Question. When is it that Israel with Jesus rule on earth?

About Judas now. Was he saved? I understand some christians in the US think he wasn't saved. OK lets make a research. Was he baptised? Was any of the apostles baptised? The Scriptures don't mention that but we read that apostles baptised in water other people. See John 4:2. Question. Can somebody baptise people without him been buptised? No. Can somebody been baptized and not be born again? The answer is still no. Next, Judas was sent with the other apostles to preach repentance and salvation to people and perform miracles. Preach salvation without him being saved? Does it make sense? So Judas was born again, got baptised in water, send by Jesus to preach repentance and salvation and perform miracles. I think any objection about Judas been a good apostle is not accepted. So what happened to him? The same that Paul feared he may happen to him if he was not careful how he walked. 2 Timothy 4:6-9. Same that happened to Demas too.

So my question still remains the same. When is Jesus with Israel going to rule on earth?

Anyway nice talking about scriptures, although disagree with each other.

GB

I suppose the question is whether the theoretical understanding of those who are producing fruit worthy of repentance (truly saved) is the issue; or your own walk. I feel it is important to point out the greatest enemy is our self love. We deem that something in our flesh is good; this can slip very easily into humanism. Our experiences with God can be confused with emotions which give us natural enjoyment in the flesh but are transient at best. Reliance upon our feelings to dictate what experiences are from the Holy Spirit of course without spiritual discernment can lead us astray. However; if we ask God as the book of James states He gives us wisdom. If we seek the truth; we will find it. As my last post suggested in response-it is the conviction of sin; judgment and righteousness the Spirit reveals to us; often in the presence of other saints who are more mature and therefore have a greater measure of faith and/or the Spirit. I don't want to say that there is no feeling with the Lord; it is better described as existent without involving the flesh; or outside our own created world in our minds as it were. We do learn to recognize it; however if we are His sheep we recognize and hear His voice and also when strangers are teaching falsehood we sense danger and get away.

I thought it prudent to encourage you also that Christ has overcome this world. There is no fear in true love. (1 John 4:18). Not quoted perfectly; but my point is that the enemy continually likes to accuse us before God. The fact that our Father doesn't change ( James 1:17-18) as the "Father of lights" is different than the enemy; who likes to dangle a carrot in front of us; then torment us when we fall for it. I will keep you in prayer as to your living situation-and that the promises of Psalm 91 can be applied to your life. In general; it is always best to keep God above people; yet we have to trust God to bring who He chooses in our time of need. Stay in fellowship.

1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 Peter 4:8 - And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

Galatians 5:22 - But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Romans 8:6 - For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

1 Thessalonians 4:4 - That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

Romans 13:10 - Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Ephesians 4:1-3 - I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, (Read More...)

1 John 4:7 - Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

Colossians 3:14 - And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.

Ephesians 5:9 - (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

1 Corinthians 13:13 - And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

Matthew 7:15-20 - Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Read More...)

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

1 Corinthians 13:1-5 - Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (LOVE) I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal__

Hey GiGi,

If I may, I love the love and care you show for others on this site. I agree with you on the importance of the creeds aligning with scripture, we are told to try the spirits, 1John 4:1. Also, we should look at how and for what purpose these creeds were written and the consequences of them. Does it matter the Holy Spirit was not included in the Nicene Creed; it was years later when it became the trinity?

From the beginning of these creeds, were placed at the top of faith and the foundation of Christianity. Even today in most denominations you must believe and profess these creeds, or you are shunned, called a heretic, and told you are not a Christian. In the past you could have been burned at the stake, beheaded, or excommunicated, making you free game to be killed. Thousands upon thousands have been killed due to these creeds.

I have seen and heard it said it is a mystery but, in the Bible, mystery refers to a sacred secret, it is something that has been hidden and has not been revealed. The question is not, can we find scripture to fit the creeds, but whether we can find scripture that the trinity is explicitly taught in the Bible and is taught if we do not believe and have faith in it we can not be saved or be a Christian? Does man have authority over scripture? Is this seeking wisdom?

1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

I hope this will be taken out of love. Not believing in the Trinity is not denying the divinity of Jesus.

GOD bless.

RLW

Hey Jay,

The word creed comes from the Latin credo, "I believe." a set of beliefs of Christianity, and without believing these creeds salvation cannot be obtained. I have been told this in different denominations of churches I have gone to. "You cannot be a Christian unless you believe these creeds". Many Christian bible discussion web sites will not let you on unless you profess these creeds.

My understanding of scripture.

You must believe that God exists. Hebrews 11:6

You must believe Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.,18 6:40; 1 John 4:14-15, 5:5, 5:10

You must believe God gave His only Son for us to have eternal life John 3:16

You must believe Jesus came in the flesh 1 John 4:3 2 John 1:7

You must believe that Jesus is the Christ 1 John 2:22

You must believe Jesus died for Your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:2-3

You must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9

You must believe we are saved by Jesus' life Romans 5:10

Being baptized in the name of Jesus. Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

You must believe we are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus 1 Corinthians 6:11

You must believe we obtain salvation only in Christ Jesus. John 14:6 2 Acts 4:12 Timothy 2:10

Are there any scriptures saying you must believe in these creeds for salvation?

Are these creeds similar to what the sect of Pharisees tried to do in Acts 15? What did Peter say? Acts 15:7-11

God is not the author of confusion. 1 Corinthians 14:33

God bless,

RLW

Hey Mac,

Deception is sly as a serpent and with a sleight of hand has us looking in the wrong direction and causing division, the Sunday law was just that. What Christ did, we in the past were strangers without God, Christ making of two in one body, and both have access by one Spirit unto the Father, Ephesians 2:10-18. Is it wrong to gather on Sunday? No. Can we call Sunday the Sabbath? No. Can we be justified by keeping the Sabbath? No.

The Sunday law was made to divide the Christians and the Jews even though many of the Jews were Christians. My understanding, the mark of the beast has nothing to do with Sunday and it will not come about until Satan is cast out of heaven and gives his power, seat, and authority to the beast, Revelation 12, 13.

Greek philosophy has influenced traditions and theories and I agree we work out our salvation with fear and trembling. Not sure of the meaning of Friday sundown till Saturday sundown? Jesus said in John 4:23-24, that we should do it every day not just one day of the week.

Many things divide us but only one thing makes us one, the simplicity that is in Christ, 2 Corinthians 11:3.

God bless,

RLW

The Holy Spirit undertook your education. He first has to get all the "idols" out of our home. It's not talked about much ( Acts 19:19), but it's the Holy Spirit of God, who drives away the demonic and shelters the new birth of a believer.

God is so very loving towards us. He hears every pitiful little cry of our hearts. He did for me. All I knew was that Abba, my Father was always nearby. I was so needy. I'm not ashamed to admit it. Now, in my old age, I still need that constant exchange of love.

Nothing the world has to offer, can satisfy the thirsty soul. When you reach a certain age (in Christ), you stop looking backwards and look forward more and more. It's very freeing.

Psalm 42:1 (HNV)

As the deer pants for the water brooks, So pants my soul after you, God.

[ Isaiah 41:9-10, 18, 20] John 4:14

These aren't just lifeless scriptures on a page. They are life giving to our souls. Lifting the spirit within us. Jesus is coming back for us.

Hebrews 11:13 - These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were PERSUADED of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.

Sometimes being called aliens to this world. We are awaiting our redemption. Rejoice. We will see Jesus! Hallelujah to the Lord.

This is a fascinating thing. I heard a sermon one time saying the words spoken about "if someone sees the face of GOD they cannot live" he said "they cannot live, the same" Is this the question you're looking deeper into? Genesis 32:20,30, Exodus 33:11, Exodus 34:28-30,35,

It would be very interesting to do a study on the words. Exodus 3:6, Exodus 33:20,23, Numbers 6:25, Deuteronomy 5:1-5, Deuteronomy 31:17,18, Deuteronomy 32:20, Deuteronomy 34:10, Judges 6:22, 1Kings 13:6, 1Chronicles 16:11, 2Chronicles 7:14, 2Chronicles 30:9, Psalms 13:1, Psalms 17:5, Psalms 22:24, Psalms 105:4, Isaiah 54:8, Isaiah 59:2, Jeremiah 21:10, Ezekiel 20:35,

Perhaps it's the word "man" that the emphasise is. Romans 8:14, Galatians 4:6, Hebrews 12:7, John 1:12, Philippians 2:15, 1John 3:1,2 , 1John 4:15, How sad it is when a living father says "see his face no more" or turns his face.

Genesis 3:8-10, interestingly, in this translation it says they heard "the voice of the LORD" they "hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God"

What's amazing is: Genesis 4:16, it appears even though they were cast out of the garden GOD's presence was still with them.

Psalms 139, Job 4:15,

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Dear Margaret, I'm sorry to hear about your concerns and have compassion for what you are going through and many challenges that poses, especially to your mental outlook. But why the desire to end your life, just because you might become blind? Do you have any blind friends or know others who are blind or disabled in other ways? If so, do you think they should end their lives? Do you not think their lives have value and meaning, and do you truly see them as a "burden"? I have many problems and handicaps too, but does that automatically mean I don't have value? Who says? God or someone else?

Nearly everyone has a handicap of some kind or another that poses a challenge to us and most aren't apparent to each other. Blindness is noticeable to others, but doesn't mean you can't have a meaningful life and can't serve the Lord? As long as there's breath in our lungs and we can pray and honor God, do we really need anything else? We aren't entitled to anything so whatever we're blessed with we should be grateful. This life is very short and temporary and it seems like one big test of our character. Please don't let satan boss you around and get into your head. Resist, stay in God's word, stay in the truth, put the armor of God on and fight back, one of the ways is to trust God that He's in control and that He created you with value. Regardless of your circumstances you have great value you may not even see.

I recommend rigorously fighting back any negative assumptions that have infiltrated your thoughts. Phil 4:8 Besides praying, listening to KJV audio, you can watch inspirational youtube videos. Some have huge handicaps that are motivational speakers who travel the world, such as one man with no arms or legs. Think of how many people he's inspired to not hurt themselves, just because of some physical challenges. A handicap doesn't have to define anyone, we are so much more than that. 1 John 4:18- there's no fear in love so what if you used this to your advantage to love more (God, others and yourself)? God bless you.

Responding to ELB,

1John 4:1-20,

Genesis 41:8, Genesis 45:27, Exodus 6:9, Exodus 28:3, Exodus 35:12, Numbers 14:24, Deuteronomy 2:30, Deuteronomy 34:9, Joshua 5:1, Proverbs 18:14, Ezekiel 1:20, Romans 8:14-16, Haggi 1:14,

Isaiah 11:2,

Leviticus 20:27, Numbers 5:14,30,

Numbers 11:17,25,

Judges 9:23,

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