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So many believe that Jesus meant this symbolically. In fact, it is the ONLY documented many of His followers leaving Him over something He said ( John 6:66). If it was symbolic, then He surely would have said, "Remember those parables? This is one. Come on back!" Instead, He simply asked the apostles, "Will you leave too?"

What I understand from John is that Jesus was in the beginning. He was the word. He was with God and he was God. He became flesh and dwelt among us. But some of us did not recognize him, which some people still don't today. He tried everything to be close to us for us to love him, trust him and believe in him. However the devil tries to put disbelieve in our mind. Even though he is not here in the flesh, I believe in his word. Worry is not in my vocabulary, because I pray about everything and trust God. Nothing can happen to me unless God allows it. Therefore I trust him in all things. There is not a friend to me like Jesus. He is everything to me. He heals me when I get sick because I believe in him.

Since John 17:3, Philippians 3:8-10, Matthew 7:21-23, verse 9 covered by a thick cloud, Jeremiah 29:13 that the people might hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever. John 6:17-8; 8:12. Jesus marveled in Matthew 8:10. Is there a greater marvel elsewhere? Is the only disease (BELEVING A LIE) caused by either Deception, or Pride. 1 Corinthians 4:7 there is only One God Who cannot lie, Hebrews 13:8. Who says there are no absolutes? The statement is an absolute, humble unselfish FATHER already knows everything, and is the answer, yet humanity is so wrapped up in their shallow little plans they miss the mark. His Glory Revelation 4:11, Galatians 2:20-21, Genesis 15:1, Philippians 3:12 Came here to understand this veiled verse 19:13 but got sidetracked. Sound unfamiliar 2 Corinthians 3:18, Ephesians 4:13.

Everyone needs to understand the HUGE difference between what Jesus is saying in verse 53 and verse 54! In verse 53 Jesus is saying that the Son of man will demand people accept his false religion/doctrine or die/be killed. What Jesus says in verse 54 means if people accept the Christian doctrine of Jesus, they will have eternal life. Jesus has called Bread "doctrine" in scripture. St Matthew 16: 11, How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? 12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

God has designed and prepared a way of escape for every person, ever born. Genesis 18:14 God asks humanity," Is there anything too hard for God?" When we modernize this verse, is there anything too great to expect from His Truth, His Power, or even His Love? God is EVER-READY to save any soul that's willing to yield (humbly believe) to His Holy Word.

This chapter is by far one of the most impassioned pleas made by Jesus for man to believe in His word and live by his word. It seems to me that Jesus is trying different ways to get it through to man that God will forgive all your sins and give you eternal life if only you believe in Him.

@ St Daniels,
This individual is correct in that we must be born again to receive the truth of understanding and wisdom of God's holy word ( John 3:3-5; 4:24).
1. The bible is written for believers after they have been regenerated;
2. But one does not stay saved by their works of goodness (righteousness);
3. We are saved by the faith of Jesus Christ ( Hebrews 12:2), all we do is ask for it ( Romans 10:10-13). It is his (Jesus) faith that saves us and keeps us saved ( Hebrews 12:2);
4. Anyone that believes you can lose your salvation after being born again, does not comprehend the meaning of being born again ( Colossians 2:9-13);
5. Jesus is eternal and when you receive him as lord and savior, your become eternal (new nature II Corinthians 5:17). Your flesh is still able to sin, but the new seed you have received does not sin ( I John 3:9). Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God ( John 6:63; I Corinthians 15:50). A new baby is born with a live body, live soul, and a dead spirit. When a person is born again they now have a living soul, a living spirit, and a dead body. There is a trade off at the moment of salvation ( Ephesians 2:1-10).

John 6:2, The people followed (continuously) Jesus (The 4th miracle of Jesus), they had some conviction but he fed them. The Feast of Passover was nigh. The multitude was hungry, Andrew said there is a lad with 5 loaves and 2 small fishes Jesus blessed it. This Small amount of food fed over 5 thousand and gathered 12 baskets of fragments. Jesus manufactures, we as the saved are the distributors, what little things we have, God will Use to help others. Our help comes from Jesus not government. The Gestapo in Nazi, Germany began on April 20,1934 used 13-14 year old boys/students to spy on citizens and report back to Nazi leaders, these students along with others were not in uniform. When the boys ended up in the concentration camps they were fed little Food. They would scream, cry out at night. The officers and Doctors started giving them 1 small loaf to keep them at night. That gave them Hope for the next day. They slept through the night. Trust Jesus, He is God, his help is overflowing and will never end.

Dear brothers and sisters, Eating and drinking Jesus' flesh and blood is to follow His teachings. Mainly love God and mankind eternally, even though he or she is not follower of Jesus. But he or she that obeys His commandments will be saved. Murderers and evildoers are out.

Jesus Christ is our living bread. He is our daily bread and in Him we live forever. Praise God!!

I’m 28 years old and always believed in Jesus my whole life, always tried to go to church, always failed! It would last a few months or a year but still failed, I always thought that all you had to do is ask for forgiveness before you died, if you died before you asked, you were going to hell. One day I felt lost and didn’t know what was going on. I talked to some friends, I said I feel like when I see God, he'll say I never knew you, and they said, no not if you believe. Well the feeling went away for a bit well 2 more times later I got drunk and the feeling got worse so went to church said the prayer and got baptized. I didn't understand what the crap was going on I was never ready to do that, I thought I had to change my life before I committed it to Christ. Boy, was I wrong? Thinking that made me realize that after 28 years I would never have been ready. Then all hell broke loose after. I never read the Gospels but everyone said start at John, I did and when I ran across John 6:44 I flat out and cried. Then I knew what was going on and what happened, I really didn't know I wasn't saved to be honest.

Many are called and few are chosen, I wonder if people ever read the verses before and after a verse, to find the understanding of the context. God through the holy spirit John 6:44, calls many (all) humans to believe on the lord Jesus Christ, for the saving of their souls Romans 10:9-13, but few are chosen (acceptance of the call), to believe on the truth and be converted (born again), John 3:3, as little children.

@Eileen,
Forgiveness is a choice that you make by the grace of God through Jesus Christ who chose to forgive you and all men, though no man has ever suffered as He did. Eat His bread and drink His blood and you will have His life in you, to forgive without a struggle.

@Tjy and Joseph,
Almost every English translation leaves out the phrase "to the things behind" from the Greek text. This is tragic, for it has much to do with why they "turned back." The book of Hebrews has much to say about returning in rebellion, unbelief and disobedience ( Hebrews 3:12-19) to the old ways, even to those things reckoned as beneficial according to the old life ( Philippians 3:1-7). The apostle Paul reminds us to completely forget (original text of Philippians 3:13) "the things behind"; in this case, all that were considered more desirable than the new life we have in Christ. It helps in illustrating what the writer of Hebrews 6 was aiming at, and to whom at that point he was addressing, i.e. the unbeliever who was in danger of "turning back" as those in John 6:66 and in Numbers 14. In the latter case, they entered not into the rest of God in the land promised them because of unbelief. "The things behind" must be left behind, and completely forgotten by those professing to have come to a knowledge of the truth in Christ.

I think that it is exactly what it is said: … one of you is a devil, Jesus said that Judas was a devil. Being a disciple he was not enough for being clean according to John 17:17.

John 21:11 says 153 Fishes was derived from Genesis 1:26 where fish first appears in the bible and was the sign of the first follower's of Christ when the New Testament was written. The triangular number 153 has 17 on three sides. 17x9=153, 17 in ancient languages is 7 and 10. Jesus was born in 7 BC on October 9th.17+9=26. The Government of the US uses this date of October 9th for Leif Erickson Day.17+17+17=51,117x9=1053. King David was born in 1053BC and his final testament is found in 1 Kings 53 to 1 Kings 2:11 and this is why 21:11 was used by the writers of the Book of John. 51 Latitude and 105.3 Longitude matches Susan Dalton's remark of Holdfast on a modern day map of Holdfast Sask. Near 51 Latitude and 105.3 Longitude Ancient church clergy for centuries came to this part of North America knowing the Second Christ would be born in this area and many were buried around Last Mountain Lake. 217x9 = 1953{2 7 10 1953} In Genesis 1:26, cattle appears as this word was derived from the ancient Greek word 'Boys'. The miracle of John 6:9 Boy who gives Jesus 2 fishes and 5 loaves of bread is part of the ancient Templar Code, 69 is the ancient sign of cancer. The birth of the boy is found in Revelation 12:5, 7 heads and 10 horns are Roman emperors and kings, one of them being Julius Caesar which July was named from.

I believe that chapter 6, is a basic example of life. Just as he fed all those that were there the believers and the non believers. This is in essence what has happened throughout all generations. We are all feed the word of God, some of us take the words to heart and follow him while others are after food (or God’s word) just as there are professional students that love to study there are those that are professional Christians. They love to hear the beautiful words they love the fellowship they believe they are where they need to be. But to them these are just beautiful words when the words are not in agreement with their life styles or their beliefs they move on to someone else that will say what they want to hear. The father’s words are meant to be followed and obeyed. It is not a question of whether the word appeals to us, it’s a question of how do I fulfill the father’s word how do I do that which is right, not to my pleasure, but his pleasure.

Jesus is the bread of life we can not live by earthly bread alone we need the word of God also.

Eileen god is using you spiritually and everyone in their lifes are going through the same things as you have. We fight many battles in our life to get close to god. But you will be strengthen in times of trouble. The devil will use everything he can to stop you from serving god and going forward with him. The devil will do a complete search in your life of all the things that bother you and use it to stop you from serving god. God once told me when I was going to quit he said to me I hate a quiter he said the funnies thing to me god said pulled your boot straps up dust yourself off and move on. He was telling me you can keep feeling sorry for yourself or you can get back on the path and keep moving on forward the prize, Jesus.

it is really specific!!!

What I get from this entire chapter right now is that what the Lord did for all of these people when he multiplied what was needed so that all could eat and drink what was needed, he did for all of them , not just the ones that were righteous or deserving of it but everyone. That can be hard to accept at times as a chritstian because you can see that there are people in the world that are given care or what they need by the Lord even when they are rotten at times and or terrible people. Mean hurtful people are also cared for and loved by him that created all of mankind. I am really struggling with forgiveness right now and I know that the Lord would want me to do for others what I want him to do for me and even though other people may not have the same heart as me or what I would like to see them have, they should be forgiven even if they don't seem to deserve it. I am really being taught or shown by the Lord that forgiveness is key to keeping your relationship with him open and active because that has been the very thing that has put a major block in my relationship with him so many times in the past. He is showing me that there are more times than I realize that I have been totally knocked off course with him because of events that take place in my life and then I cannot go any further with or progress in my relationship with him because he is not able to keep guiding us when we are stuck emotionally and mentally on something that someone has done to us. I have been in this place so many times that I can't count how many. It is Satan's way of ruining what the Lord has in store for us and his way of keeping us from our Lord and saviour. It is a constant battle to try and keep a clear pathway so that we can stay connected to him. When we get clogged with a huge amount of sadness or anger or hurt and we can't let go of it because we are bitter about things that other people have done to us we are not able to progress spiritually and then it all comes to a halt. The Lord knows this and that is why he is always telling us in our heart and through scripture not to get stuck by not being able to forgive people. We have to let go of what others in this life do to us so that we can move forward. That is so difficult some times but that is also the only way to be ok with ourselves spiritually and there is no way to get around that, there just isn't. Ive tried and it always ends up the same. Stagnant. Through adversity we are all shown what his plan is and why. Not just those of us that completely love and trust him but even those of us that are following the wrong path. This is how he shows people that he is constantly there and working in all of our lives regardless of who or what believes in him or not. I have just been through a very trying time and there are so many people that I need to forgive in this situation. I know that is going to be the hardest thing or one of the hardest things I have ever had to do without a doubt. I do not feel like forgiving the people that have wronged me. My husband and I did not deserve to be treated the way that we were and should not have had done to us what was done to us. But people are weak and of the flesh and they succumb to what Satan offers them when they feel that they are being offered a quick fix to how they feel also. The people that we dealt with are truly wicked and I don't know how to go about totally forgiving them. I just have to keep praying about it.

John 6:54 “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Interpretation: Whoso keepeth my commanments, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

BAPTISM AFTER EXAMINATION
Jesus said we should be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the holy spirit. ( Matt. 28:19, 20) What does this mean? Fatherhood refers to parenthood, and being baptized in the name of the Father shows that one recognizes the superiority and sovereignty of our heavenly Father, whose name alone is Jehovah. ( Ps. 83:18) We must sanctify his name, respect his sovereignty, love his kingdom and serve its interests. ( Luke 11:2) Next, being baptized in the name of the Son shows one’s appreciation for the high authority and position conferred upon the Son by the Father. There must be love and appreciation for the Son because he is the Ransomer. Without his sacrifice we could not gain life. How great a debt we owe him! ( Isa. 55:4; John 4:42) Finally, being baptized in the name of the holy spirit means to recognize such spirit as the active force of Jehovah. It is that same force that unerringly guided the men of old to write the Bible, impelled the early Christians to withstand persecution successfully and that today guides Jehovah’s theocratic organization on earth.—2 Pet. 1:21; John 6:63; 1  John 5:6.
One’s baptism is a public demonstration of death to a past course of life. If the candidate remained submerged in water, truly it would mean his death. Fittingly, one is raised to life as it were, alive to do the will of Jehovah. Thus one’s day of baptism could be said to be the day of one’s start in a new life. Baptism serves both as a public confession of one’s dedication and as a sign of one’s being an ordained minister. Doubly blessed by Jehovah is this individual. The date of one’s baptism should be recorded and remembered always. As far as Jehovah’s visible organization is concerned it is the date of your ordination to the ministry of the Most High.

John 6:38
Can you do the will of someone else at the same time being that someone else ??

"For I came down from Heaven, NOT TO DO MINE OWN WILL, BUT THE WILL OF HIM THAT SENT ME"

Many people are working overtime trying to get ahead, and it is like their pockets have holes in them. The more they make, the more they have to pay. Jesus wants us not to labor for the meat that perishes, but rather for that which gives eternal life. Jesus is that meat, and when we believe that he died on the cross for our sins,and rose for our justification we have eternal life. The Lord's Supper is a spiritual act of eating his flesh, and drinking his blood; we show forth his death, burial, and resurrection until he comes again. So let us not be offended as many were in that day, but as Peter said where shall we go, for thou only has the words of eternal Life. When you do this you will be satisfied.

I LOVE THE LEARNING IDEA I GOT FROM THE SCRIPTURE THANKS

I attended a baptist church a few weeks ago, and actually performed a "last supper" service. (very rare) The paster handed out a small cracker the size of a fly to everyone and said that the cracker was a "picture" of Jesus (and not actually Jesus), and they ate it. Very unscriptural and not in the bible. Catholics believe Jesus is present in the Eucharist with his very own body. As noted in John 6 verses 51-55. It appears the Catholic communiion service is more biblical and scriptually accurate.

Jesus is my Saviour!

I have heard some Christians say that Judas was an instrument in the hand of God:he was predestined to betray Jesus:so, he would now be in heaven!.
I find that the best answer is the latter part of John 6:70, "one of you is a DEVIL" .I strongly believe that this categorical statement of Our Lord has been culpably overlooked by the commentators to this day in its true meaning. What Jesus meant was that Judas is the personification of Satan himself! Jesus did not say that Judas would be possessed by a demon. Judas was Satan incarnated.
Too many difficulties could be solved by this interpretation. Some are doubtful,as I said earlier, that injustice had been done by God in appointing a man in flesh and blood to betray Our Lord. And that even if Judas willed,he could never abstain from betraying Jesus!. When God incarnated as a man, Satan also took the form of another man,with God's permission, of course. That is why Peter declared that Judas "went back to his place". Judas is also called "the son of perdition"- that is,Satan.

IF 1 JOHN 5:7 IS TRUE THEN IT CONTRADICTS 1 John 4:12-No one has ever seen God;, 1 Timothy 1:17,1-Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible,YAHWEH the only God, be honor and glory for ever and ever.
Amen. Timothy 6:15-16-which God will bring about in his own time, YAHWEH, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen..., John 6:46, 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 THE LIST GOES ON AND ON. I DON'T THINK THAT 1 JOHN 5:7 IS TRUE, IT WAS PURPOSELY PUT THERE BY THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WHILE TRANSLATING THE SCRIPTS FROM HEBREW TO GREEK TO SUPPORT THEIR BELIEVE OF "FATHER THE GOD, SON THE GOD AND HOLY GHOST THE GOD THREE IN ONE............