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What does the Word of GOD say?

There was a multitude of angels in the Garden of Eden and there was also a ruler in Eden, a Cherub. They all rebelled against GOD - the Word is GOD - and they corrupted themselves as is wwritten in Jude 1:v.6-7:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate(celestial/spiritual estate), but left their own habitation (they left their celestial nature), he -GOD- hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the Judgment of this great Day. (the LORD's Day).

7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner (IN LIKE MANNER OF THE ANGELS IN EDEN), giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of ETERNAL FIRE.

John the Apostle brings us a deep revelation: John 3:v.10-12

10 In this the children of GOD are manifest,and the children of the DEVIL:whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of GOD,neither he that loveth not his brother.

11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning,that we should love one another.

12 Not as Cain,who was of that wicked one(WHO WAS OF THE DEVIL, called SATAN),and slew his brother.And wherefore slew he him?Because his own works were evil,and his brother's righteous.

And JESUS said to the Jews: John 8:44-45

41 Ye do the deeds of your FATHER.Then said they to JESUS,We be not born of fornication;we have one Father,even GOD.

42 Jesus said unto them,If GOD were your FATHER,ye would love me:for I proceeded forth and came from GOD;neither came I of myself,but He sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech?even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your FATHER the DEVIL,and the lusts of your FATHER ye will do.He was a murderer from the beginning,and abode not in the truth,because there is no truth in him.When he speaketh a lie,he speaketh of his own:for he is a liar, and the father of it. Mat.23:33- Ye serpents,ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

Sister Sacha, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The Answer is:

The FIRST LIGHT created was JESUS.

Revelation 3:14 Jesus... the BEGINNING of creation.

John 8:12 ....I am the light of the world ....

Sister Kimberly, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Romans 14:8 For whether we LIVE, we LIVE unto the Lord; and whether we DIE, we DIE unto the Lord: whether we LIVE therefore, or DIE, we are the Lord's.

John 6:20 This is the bread that cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and NOT DIE.

John 11:26 And whosoever LIVETH and BELIEVETH in me shall never die. BELIEVEST THOU THIS?

Luke 20:36 Neither can they DIE any more (because they DIED with Christ on the cross): for they are EQUAL to the angels; and are the children of God, being the CHILDREN OF THE RESURRECTION.

Revelation 14:13 ....Blessed are the dead which DIE IN THE LORD from henceforth....

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is DEATH.

Christ resurrection DESTROYED DEATH. (For those that BELIEVE)

John 8:51 Verily, Verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my sayings, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.

Matthew 16:28 Verily I say unto to you, There be some STANDING HERE (this was 2000 years age), which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man coming into his kingdom.

Colossians 1:27 ...THIS MYSTERY....CHRIST IN YOU....(The First SON OF GOD)

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath LIFE; and he that hath not the Son HATH NOT LIFE.

Do these scriptures imply that we sleep and await and appointed time; or has our APPOINTED time ARRIVED upon the death of this earthly body.

You don't go to heaven; you BECOME a SON OF GOD. OMNIPRESENT not confined to one location or place.

Hallo All, sorry to intervention here but The thread is exiting. And will all day to the werry End stand up for speculation and big wonder.

The Lord tock me ones into the explamantion of the word, black and white. Thank You Dear Jesus. And thanks for this web who have give me the revelations back. I hade almost forgot it.

Revelation 1. 4. It said "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, from him which is and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;"

from him which is.

from him which is. And not "are". That i have learned.

which is to come.

When He open my eyes it explode in my heart. After that ill read all Different. The word in the Holy Bible was like in a sea, always in motion. Mayby like the wind. And after that i belive in what my heart tell me, who il get from the Holy Scripture. I belive it is the Holy Spirit who is my supervisor. And He give me word for the day who i need or who i need too deliver to someone who need the word.

ps. English is not my mother tongue, please be patient. God Bless you all to understand, in Jesus name.

And today il searched after a word and find it, at once here in the web site. In this thread, Which is " I Am". John 8:12; 9:5.

This is the biggest word that Jesus speak ever. He embraces Everything! When we look up to the sky and see no End in the space. Thats Him too. We look down in the darkest of darkness, and He is King even there. All thing is made for Him. Becose He have added everything under His foot. He Fulfilled the work when He died on the cross. It was the strongest offer someone has made ever! That where when God the Father Him self, have to sacrifice His Only son. I live today becose of that.

Can you imagine what the disiple think when they heard this word. Some of they did not belive it. And il gess they created confusion. Ty they had the Master to look up on. And we have that too, in our heart. God Bless you all

I greet you in the name of Christ! My brother Chris, I enjoyed your post, and wanted to continue the dialogue. Christ is the Light of the World ( John 8:12; 9:5), and it is by Him and through Him that everything in the universe was created

from a foundation of light ( John 1:3; Col. 1:16-17; Heb. 1:2). God glories in His creation, for it attests to His greatness and excellency! It is His created child; and He would never give birth to a deformed child of darkness as described in Genesis 1:2. Such would be viewed as a microcosm of the rest of His creation, and detract from the breathtaking and incomprehensible beauty of creative mind.

In a similar vein, I would be interested in hearing your views on John's statement that Christ was "slain from the foundation of the world" ( Rev. 13:8b), and the statement Christ makes that He is "the beginning of the creation of God" ( Rev. 3:14d). God bless you!

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

There is MORE TRUTH than asking God to help you choose to do what glorifies Him. The Spirit CAUSES you to ask.

You DIED on the cross with Christ, you were RAISED a new creation; IN CHRIST, at His Resurrection.

Jesus is now living his LIFE in you, CAUSING you to continue being created in HIS IMAGE.

Ezekiel 36:24 And I WILL take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all the countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then WILL I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye SHALL BE CLEAN: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, WILL I cleanse you.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also WILL I GIVE you, and a new spirit WILL I PUT within you: and I WILL TAKE AWAY the stony heart out of your flesh, and I WILL GIVE you and heart of flesh.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I WILL PUT my spirit WITHIN YOU, and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statues, and ye shall keep my judgements, AND DO THEM.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both to WILL and TO DO of his good pleasure.

Ephesians 1:5 ....according to the good pleasure of HIS WILL..

Ephesians 1:11 In whom we have obtained an inheritance (sons of God), being predestinated according to the PURPOSE OF HIM who WORKETH all things after the counsel of HIS WILL.

Philippians 1:29 For unto you it is GIVEN in the behalf of Christ, not only TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him.

Of ourselves we can do NOTHING.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doeth NOT COMMIT SIN (because Christ is doing EVERYTHING) (we SIN because we try to put OUR WORKS with this TRUTH); for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin because he is born of God.

This is why Jesus never SINNED. He walked in the TRUTH that the Father did all things FOR HIM.

John 8:28 ...and that I do nothing of myself...

John 5:30 I can of myself do nothing ....

John 3:27 ...A man receive nothing, except it be GIVEN HIM from heaven.

GOD calls EVIL not me.

What prevails is the Word of GOD,not your cunningly devised fables. I'm a disciple of JESUS, and you?They murdered JESUS-GOD,remember?What does the Word of GOD say?

Dialogue between Jews and JESUS:Jo.8:v.33-43

Jews said:-We be Abraham's seed,... John 8:33KJV

- JESUS said: - I know that ye are Abraham's seed... John 8:v.37 (Positive)

Jews said: - Abraham is our father.... John 8:v.39

- JESUS said:- If ye were Abraham's children... John 8:v.39 (If?? hum!)

Jews said: - We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. John 8:v.41

- JESUS said: - If God were your Father... John 8:v.42- (If?? hum!)

- JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? Ye are of your father the Devil..., John 8:43-44

Do you believe in JESUS, Necomb? Even He said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil..., According JESUS, the origin of the Jews comes from the garden of Eden, they are the fallen angels which rebelled against God following their father, the Devil, and going after strange flesh because they kept no their first angelical estate. Jude 1:6 - The angels which kept not their first estate...GOD hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of THIS great day.

Why did JESUS call the Jews of serpents? It is because they are sons of the old serpent, called the Devil, now red Dragon. Matt.23:33-35.

33 -Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

What is the mystery JESUS links the Jews to the murder of Abel, that upon the Jews may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth?

Dear Roy, the people of Britsh empire and America have nothing to do with any tribe of Israel, unfortunatelly you believe in satanic lies as the theory you posted to deceive the readers in this Christian site.

What you have posted in your devilish message, it is called as a cunningly devised fable by the Word of our Almighty GOD - the Word is GOD, understand? - , and the evil spirit that inspired your message will be cast down into the botomless pit in this current time. You know who is the father of the lie, then read what JESUS said in John 8:v.44-45.

Ginny, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

It's better to to know what GOD SAYS than to say things that OPPOSE God's word.

You says Satan created evil, this OPPOSES:

Isaiah 45:7 I (GOD) form the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS.

You say God gives us the choice to choose good are evil, this OPPOSES:

Philippians 2:13 For it is God that WORKETH IN YOU both to will and do of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

You say Satan was the highest angel in heaven and rebelled, this OPPOSES:

Job 26:13 By his Spirit he garnished the heavens, his hand hath formed the CROOKED SERPENT.

John 8:44 ...He (Satan) was a murder from THE BEGINNING (not perfect and fell), and abode not in the TRUTH ....

Thank you OSEAS. I will keep your words in my heart. Just know? My post, the language of it, was not conversational.

I just politely restating text book science to say color has a science. I was scraping off social narratives, keeping color to its science and separate actually. I think color is a forgotten science - people just are not taught. Hence all the parsing out of GOD's color identity matched up to what is not color science relative, and becomes incongruous to color sciences, and makes colors laws muddy. Remember: Before you were clothed in Genesis 2:67 in earth' we were already Light! Science has laws of color in Heaven and here, that create unequivocal law and order in His science. Example: World plants for example? The leaves on shrubs are green lets say? Then per color science of photosynthesis 'the sun emits' colorful rays? Yes. By color laws? The green color of the leaf attracts and pairs (as designed) to attract the red rays to grow the green plant. This is the law of color science.

We have a GOD that chastens those He loves and you and I are obedient in devotion. Why? To keep His Kingdom's order, His peace. To the Creator's honor, no more arguing. I heard a Pastor say the other day that the opposite of 'Light' is 'dark'. Not true in fact. So I know color and Light need to be explained better. The KJV- John 8:12 is-as GOD's id is Light= Color. Absolutely 'dark' is not the 'opposite' of GOD's Light! His Light equal to dark? No. Anyway this cannot be. Anyway we know 'out of black or out of white' come all colors,and so Light wins. This is why we are told that in Heaven? We will see beautiful glorious Light only! All the colors! Now how beautiful will this be? (smile - great right?) Pretty wonderful I think that our GOD is Light and so He is Color and the color laws of Heaven bring the Peace and Light we all want. No more color agenda wars. AMEN. This will make the LORD very relieved I am sure. Much love to you friend.

Hello Caleb. I'm unsure in what manner the evil one is bringing confusions to you, but for me, if there is something that comes to my mind that I know is debatable or wrong, then I resort to the 3 S's.

SEARCH: SEARCH the Word of God to find the Scripture related to your concern. Entering a specific word in the Search Box on this Site or in a Concordance, might throw up several options for you to look at.

STUDY: STUDY that verse, also the verses around it & the reason for that inclusion in the Bible, to make sure you are understanding it & applying it correctly to you concern.

STAND: After you satisfy yourself that God's Word has given you the answer you seek, then believe it, STAND firmly upon it, & when that sly fox tests or tempts you again, hit him with the pure Word of God. That should scare him away.

I would like to help Christ's Children understand 'color and Light' are synonymous. KJV- John 8:12 GOD declares 'He' is Light. I had dinner with a physicist who told me 'to this day no one knows where Light comes from'. The deep space Light of the novas, of the cosmos ect. Now consider how Christians are told the Source/as Christ (are the same word friends) that we accept Him, He lives in us as our Neighbor, closer than a brother. We in Him, He in us= are Children of Light. The many contrived color narratives that want to steal the id of this Light? Yes as 'black'(lives matter),'white'(supremacy) and the 'rainbow' covenant of GOD (LGBTQIA) and this misguided phrase 'People of Color'. Do you see the narratives are theft? A tearing away of John 8:12 'I AM LIGHT'. Today there is an all out identity war on Christ to try and strip His/Light of His color! This is a real 'id' attack friends. Why? Because KJV Hebrews 11:1 says 'substance' (is faith)and as Light=all colors=substance) So by substance in the world the unbelieving sees proof of what we call the LORD's Glory in nature: is Jesus. To strip the LIGHT of its rainbow? Jesus colors parted out leaves invisibility and the confused will not connect LIGHT and COLOR as defined as indivisible. In physics (what is 'indivisible') cannot be separated from itself is 'true substance' science. Christ says He is Truth. Christ says He is Light. In His brilliance friends (our image is Him)-the logic is to admit Jesus Christ is 'COLOR TOO'. I AM THAT I AM. Sir Isaac Newton in 1700's wrote the Laws of Color Science:"Out of Black or Out of White"(from black or white)ALL colors come forth. Friends with this truth? This is the reason of 'law' of color = Color science. It is lawful that all Police Cars are 'black and white'. The reason the Bible pages are 'black and white' and the reason the USA Supreme Court Justice Robes 'law' are black and white. Fundamental science friends: Starting with our first set of CRAYONS/GOD= JOHN 8:12

How do you over come confusions from the evil one.

"THE LAW" as referred to by Jesus is the 10 Commandments..it doesn't say anything about stoning anyone in this LAW.

Jesus did not let the adulteress get stoned in the scripture below:

John 8:2-10 Context

2And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. 3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

In scripture, Jesus and his apostles refer many times to keeping the 10 commandments. Here are two verses spoken by Jesus

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

As Christians .if we keep God's commandments, we WILL NOT kill or stone anyone. The 6th Commandment: THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Matthew 5:18. Is saying that God's 10 commandments are in force until the end of this earth.

God Bless

I too believe that scripture plainly says Jesus is God in John 1:1. However, we are expressing our opinions and if that was banned then our opinions would be silenced also. Usually when someone wants censorship they usually just mean the opinions they disagree with, and don't want to be silenced themselves.

God wants to be sought. This involves effort. I think some things are meant to not be clear or understood immediately, and some things never. In Job, he questioned God why He did that to him, and instead of a direct answer he got an earful of how He was God and Job wasn't. The way I interpret it is like: how dare you question me with your tiny limited brain.

There are other places basically suggesting our capacity to comprehend everything is currently limited. There are mysteries and maybe more will be revealed in the afterlife.

Hebrews 11:3

Mark 4:11

Matt 13:11

Matt 6:33

Isaiah 40:4-5 - glory of the Lord will be revealed (in the future)

1 Tim 3:16

2 Thessalonians 2:11-13 - a 'strong delusion' will be sent. Judging by all the lies in the media it seems a delusion is happening now.

I really hope you people who openly write your opinions STOP!! Because yes in fact JESUS is saying before Abraham I AM , the same I AM that told Moses in the Old Testament. Isaiah 9:6 says it best who JESUS is and if you need New Testament to back up who HE is 1st Timothy 3:16 but this one clearly nails it John 1:10,11 He was in the world and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own and his own received Him not.)HALLELUJAH GLORY BE TO GOD, JESUS is GOD Manifested in the flesh as 1st Timothy 3:16 and ISAIAH 9:6 so clearly and plainly put it!! Why do you think we are to be baptized in His Name ? ACTS 2:38 , because JESUS himself was Water baptized as an example to us as to what HE expects EVERYONE who WANTS SALVATION to do as HE Stated to Nicodemus in JOHN3:5 Verily, verily, I say unto thee .Except a man be born of the Water and of the Spirit , he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ( Peter Preached on the day of Pentecost in the book of ACTS 2:38 to Repent and be baptized in Jesus Name filled with the Holy Ghost. EPHESIANS 4:5 says One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism . ( John 1:1 through 5) in the beginning was the Word , and the Word was with God , and the Word was God . The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made.In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. ( Same as some people today ) In Jesus Name I Bid you Peace

Hello,

If you believe the Bible where it says the "three are one" then, the answer is yes.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Here's other supporting scripture too:

Genesis 1:26

John 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

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Beware of creative people who will try to either disregard or 'reinterpret' all the above scripture in attempt to get it to mean something else. In searching our conscience, deep down we already know what "the father and I are one" and the "three are one" means. We should all ask God directly for wisdom in understanding the scriptures and to reveal and confirm His truths to us, so we aren't deceived or mislead by false teachers. James 1:5. 1 Timothy 4:1-2.

Brother John,

You state that the only sin is unbelief! Jesus never said that. There are many sins, and christians along with believing in Jesus Christ - WE must also strive to be free from sin!

It sounds to me that you are saying as long as we believe in Jesus Christ we can continue to sin with no repercussions....

Why would Jesus say in the following verses "sin no more"?

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

John 5:14

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

This is "very powerful" scripture telling us that we must strive to be SIN FREE. Yes, we are imperfect, and we will sin and fall short, but when we do we must still pray for forgiveness and strive to change and walk in Christ.

It's not easy to get into heaven and this verse confirms:

Matthew 7:14

"Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

As Christians we CANNOT ignore the above scripture, or we will only be fooling ourselves......

God bless

Your comment sounds like an attack on Christians who believe the Bible. Why do you post such a thing on a Bible website and what is your goal? To unite or divide?

Christians believe Jesus is God because the Bible clearly says He's God. Is that reason enough? John 1:1 flat out says it. So, so all the scriptures below that even children read and understand. It needs no creative interpreting, needs no progressive pastor to interpret, just literally what it says. Jesus being God doesn't mean He's God the Father, but God the Son. God became a man and died for you, do you believe Him?

Claiming that Christians who read the scriptures and believe are somehow just 'Americans' or 'Catholics' seems like a disingenuous attack on Christians. Labeling and dividing and lying is what I've seen done to make such anti-Christ arguments. Anyone who does this is on extremely dangerous ground. Anyone who tries to spread anti-Christ lies should be ashamed of themselves.

1 John 2:22-24

"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father."

1 John 5:7

Genesis 1:26

John 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

John 1:1

Philippians 2:5 - 2:8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

1 John 5:7

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 5:8

1 John 2:22-24

2Pet. 3:3; scoffers = Psalm 1:1 implies sinners progress in their ever-increasing depravity until they become scoffers in their final state.

Scoffers scornfully and maliciously mock GOD, HIS SON The LORD JESUS CHRIST, GOD's Word, GOD's people, and all GODly matters to bring disgrace and contempt. These have evolved in their lifestyles for so long, they no longer fear GOD.

Because JESUS CHRIST has not yet returned as promised, scoffers believe HE will not come again at all. The very existence of scoffers proves these are "the last days" (Jude v.18).

The reader could argue that these scoffers compose a more blatant and aggressive group than the more private "false teachers who privily shall bring in damnable heresies" ( 2Pet. 2:1). As followers and adherents of false teachers, these scoffers voice their ridicule more publicly.

These less than subtle scoffers are "walking after their own lusts" partly because they swallow the "cunningly devised fables" (1:16) and the "damnable heresies" (2:1) of the false teachers (2:1) and have become the "twofold more the child of hell" described by CHRIST ( Mt. 23:15). See also John 8:44, Acts 13:10, and 17:5.

Scoffers deride those who believe Scriptural prophecies regarding CHRIST's Second Coming by declaring that since CHRIST has not yet returned, that is proof HE will not return (v.4).

Their derisive question regarding "the promise" (v.4) voices their mockery of CHRIST WHO promised a Second Coming that HE cannot fulfill. Not only do scoffers mock the prophecies of the prophets, but they also mock CHRIST HIMSELF WHO prophesied of HIS own Second Coming ( Jn. 14:2, 28). Scoffers' denial of CHRIST's Second Coming will not hinder HIS Coming for "The LORD is not slack concerning HIS Promise" (v.9). See also verse ten where Peter emphasized, "But the Day of The LORD will come."

In the end, GOD will mock and laugh at the scoffers ( Ps. 2:4; 37:13; 59:8; Pro. 1:25-26).

Yes, since John 8:33 Esau now resides at the holy city, and acknowledges that they are Esau, and, are responsible for the wars, plagues, sacrifice and torture of many millions of children, we have a problem, as also explained at Malachi 1:3-4.

Esau, and Canaanites of pollution with fallen angel mating, plus those Masons and others who take imprecatory secret oaths to Satan, are spreading great hated and lies against The Creator, King of Heaven and earth, and, His Savior Son, who by His Blood Redeems us from eternal death if we truly love Him to live according to His Spirit and His Word. Now as Obadiah, Isaiah 63, tells us, as well as John 8:33-44, Matthew 23, Rev. 2 and 3 of the Synagogue of Satan. They have even polluted all institutions on the earth. They are also now destroying all creation, and have brought on the Mark of the Beast of Rev. 13:16, that tracks people by a matrix of computers over all the earth, and changes the DNA of our bodies that house the temple of our Savior and His Holy Spirit IF we choose the jab to be owned by Satan, instead. People are taking that Beast ownership Mark, which can not be undone.

We have not called on The Holy Names that Never changes since the beginning. See Palms 91, daniel 9:19, Exodus 9:16, Matthew 23:39 in the institutions of the earth! Like the 10 virgins, we need to call on Our Father in Heaven, and Hallow His Name, and forgive our debtors as we want to be forgiven, and, pray for enough Holy Spirit in our lamps.

At Declaration of Independence, last paragraph, we find THE CREATOR is our Judge! At Deuteronomy 17:8, hard matters are brought to Him for Judgement. Vengeance belongs to Him. He owns everything. Psalms 24. At Zephaniah 3, He Judges between His people and Satan. Isaiah 66, Hosiah 5:15 we find examples of The Creator's judgment. At Joel 3, we find The Creator gathering the people's of the earth of war, together for a feast of the condemned flesh for the predator animals of the earth.

How did Abraham see Jesus?

John 8:56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad".

Psalm 110:4 "...Thou (Jesus) art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek".

Abraham saw Jesus through Melchizedek, Genesis 14.

Matthew 16:18-19 KJV

[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 28:18-19 KJV

[18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 1:1-2 KJV

[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:9-14 KJV

[9] That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. [11] He came unto his own, and his own received him not. [12] But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. [14] And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:17-18 KJV

[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16 KJV

[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 8:58 KJV

[58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Brother David, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

BELIEVE

Romans 8:3 For what the law COULD NOT DO, in that it was weak in the flesh, God sending his own Son, in the LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Christ; the Spirit of GOD was made in the likeness of US (sinful flesh); therefore, sinful flesh (US) was CRUCIFIED on the CROSS WITH CHRIST. Christ rose AGAIN; therefore, we also arose with him, now in LIKENESS OF CHRIST.

John 8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man keep my saying, he shall NEVER SEE DEATH.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION .......

You DIED and now LIVE IN CHRIST AND CHRIST IN YOU; you will never die again, you will just CHANGE BODIES.

Did you not read John 1? Is your motive to gain understanding of a different perspective or to just stick with what you want to believe?

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"the Word was God."

The Bible is 100% clear that "the Word was God"- do you agree? It says it in John 1:1 verbatim.

Who is the Word? If you keep reading it answers that in 100% clear language

John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

The "Word" was made flesh and dwelt among us (people).

Verse 15 says John (the Baptist) bore witness to Him. This narrows it down so much there is absolutely no one else this could possibly be but Jesus Christ. It would take serious mental gymnastics to make it mean anyone else, but Jesus Christ.

So, let's review. John 1:1 In the beginning was (Jesus Christ), and the (Jesus Christ) was with God, and the (Jesus Christ) was God.

All of this we get from John 1, the scripture I already provided which you seemed to have missed.

But there's much more than one verse that says Jesus is God. When it says God, it doesn't mean God the Father though, but God the Son. And Jesus is Lord and as well as other terms used in reverence. Just because people have a hard time comprehending the "three are one" doesn't mean they need to try to rewrite the Bible to mean something entirely different. It's already correct exactly as it says. That's part of being a Christian and having faith.

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in our image"

John 11:6-7 "And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let US go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech."

John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

John 8:19 "if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

Do you believe these Bible verses?

Hello Chris,

If you agree that your definition of a Christian is different, then what is your definition? What exact criteria makes someone a Christian in your view?

My criteria is: believe Jesus Christ, repent/confess sin, and be baptized. Matthew 10:32, John 3:16, Luke 5:32, Acts 2:38, Mark 16:16. A Christian is a Christ follower, which is an action. It is an ongoing activity and responsibility to follow Jesus and obey Him and strive to live a holy life. It takes great effort to do this avoid sin. Look at Paul's struggle in Romans 7. John 14:15. Romans 12:2, James 2:26, John 8:11.

The gentleman I previously spoke about did all the above and is a Christian, but you said he wasn't. Why not? In your view is a Christian not a Christian if he sins just once, or twice, or does it depend on the sin?

And Jesus's followers were indeed Christians. A literal Christ follower is as true to being a Christian as you can possibly get. They literally followed Him around all day, listened to His teachings, believed Him, tried to emulate Him. Judas and Peter both denied and betrayed Him as Christians, because they had freewill to do so, just like Satan had freewill in heaven to do what he did, and just like so many Christians do today, by leaving, denying the faith, committing sin.

What is most sad is this Christian I referred to living in sin right now is doing so because of messages he's been told like you're telling. He's been brainwashed into believing he is already saved and he can now do whatever he wants- that it's impossible to lose his salvation. And now he's enjoying sin and doing all kinds of evil, because he was told he's saved and in the book of life. Christians who think they can get by with committing unlimited sin are completely ignoring what Jesus said. ( John 14:15). That's like slapping Jesus in the face. Romans 14:13. We are to not cause others to stumble.

Jesus came to this earth to provide mankind a savior. Prior to Jesus we did not have a personal savior to intercede with God on our behalf. Not only must we believe in him, we must try to be like him. We must repent from our sins, and strive to be sin free. That is ACTION....we must take ACTION!

It is not enough to just believe in Jesus and you will be now and forever saved. There is no such thing a a get out of hell free card because you believe.

Yes, we must fight the good fight. We are in a battle here on this earth against Satan and evil.

Some seem to think that with Jesus death we can just believe and carry on our normal lives and we will be saved by his Grace. If this was true why would Jesus speak like this in the following two scritures.

John 5:14

"Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee."

John 8:11

"She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more."

Jesus said: SIN NO MORE! Lest worse things will come to us that sin.......

Jesus DID NOT say to those two sinners 'just believe in me and and my grace will take care of you!'

In summary: Jesus is telling all of us to TAKE ACTION!

God Bless

Thank you for your reply Michael,

I agree with you that we have the New Covenant now. Surrounding Jesus Christ our Lord and receiving the Holy Spirit of promise Ephesians 1:7-14. It seems we agree on everything. I read the book of Hebrews regularly. As stated that I just think the Ten Commandments are "good". Just a beginning. Not that we are under the law of the Old Covenant. As I believe brother Chris stated in a post that our righteousness is to exceed them who followed the law Matthew 5:20. Like in the statement I made as to where I strive to keep every day Holy not just one a week. So he who thinks the Sabbath should be on a Saturday really doesn't matter. Jesus stating that even being angry with thy brother is in danger or who just looks on a woman to lust after her hath already committed adultery Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 5:27-28.

When Jesus Christ gave the two greatest commandments to hang all the law and the prophets. He was quoting Deuteronomy 6:4-5, Leviticus 19:18. Which also being stated by another were not of the Ten Commandments. Pointing to exceed the old law with the new law which is on our hearts and exceedingly vast.

We having been Blessed to receive the Holy Ghost from above whom is our teacher now. Having the Spirit of Christ in us to help us walk as He did, and follow after Him, as He is the only way to the Father. Living for the Will of our Father in Heaven doing what pleases Him. Producing good fruit in the Spirit. John 8:29.

If I had to choose which Testament is more important I would most definitely choose the NT. Though the OT has many, many, things that are still very important. Also things that are really of no avail to us. Just letting the Spirit guide us to the righteous and important things in the OT. Even with the Apocrypha books and the Book of Enoch. As they have things in them that connect directly to the teachings in the Holy Bible. Let the Spirit guide us to truth. Micah 6:8.

God Bless you Michael

Repenting from evil/sin is one of the most important things in the Bible. OT and NT. There is nothing else to repent of.

Romans 6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Christ preaching repent and to sin no more: Matthew 4:17, John 5:14, John 8:11.

In Revelation Jesus Christ makes it quite clear He's talking about repenting from sin/evil deeds.

Revelation 2:22-23 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they REPENT OF THEIR DEEDS.

And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am He which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your WORKS.

Read the first three chapters of Revelation to see what Christ is saying to the believers in the seven churches. He doesn't say "just because you believe everything is ok".

True faith in Jesus Christ is more than just believing. Like stated the most evil demonic people can believe in Jesus Christ but live according to the devil.

Faith without works is dead faith. James 2:26.

God Bless.

I think that too many try to define scripture by a word or passage that may or may not actually indecisively define the true context of what is written and or said,,, Jesus declared that He is the resurrection and the life,, that no man comes unto the Father Sept by Him,, AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN HIM ,,,THEN YOU WILL LIVE,,,. EVEN THO YOU DIE!!!!!

What does He mean,""" if we believe in Him"" ,,,and what does He mean""even tho we die,,,?? Many try to seperate"the person from the body here and say that only the body dies and the person is immortal,,even tho Jesus just said that """ (you)will live,,,""" even tho ""( you)""( will die"), is that contradictive to what He says in John 8:51, if anyone keeps my word, He will not see death,He will live forever ,,or in the passage just prior to when He says"" I am the resurrection and the life, the one that believes in me will live,,EVEN THO YOU DIE"" and the one that lives believing in me will not see death,nor ever die,

To twist a declaration of man being immortal in any sense by standing on these words is self serving to that person's doctrinal belief and not according to these passages,

The revealing understanding that the person is spoken of in the same state as the very one that dies being the very one that never dies is a clear reference to what happens to us in death, and those believing in him are resurrected to eternal life and in that state never die or see death ,,So,,,,,even tho we die,,,,(the person) not just a person's body as some declare allowing for a immortal soul conceptual belief,,but the person of ,, and once resurrected back to life,, will live eternally

This is proven by His resurrection to life being a bodily resurrection

The same body he died in now glorified and renewed free from any disease etc The spear in the side was of great significance, it allowed them to see that He was mortal as His brothern bleeding blood as they will,for theyhad to witness this lest any man believe ,