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how many Christians will be saved during the rapture ? Read Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

how do u turn ur life to Jesus? By acknowledging and confessing to the Lord that we are sinners in need of his salvation. Inviting him into our lives asking him to take over Nothing fancy nothing complicated

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

BUT KNOW THIS once you make that confession of repentance there's a great celebration in heaven

Jesus said, "I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents" ( Luke 15:10)

Praise the Lord I pray the Lord your strength and guidance that he bless you and bring people around you that are after his own heart. God bless

Hi Barry. In Luke chapter 15, Jesus shares three parables with those who came to listen to him. And these folk were both the Jewish religious leaders as well as the despised publicans & others burdened with sin. The religious leaders saw this Man Jesus as a low class careless person, given to receiving & fellowshipping with like-minded people. Knowing their thoughts, Jesus then proceeded to give them these parables that should have removed their objections, if they used their ears & hearts to receive God's

Message.

And the simple structure of each of those parables was: the responsible shepherd searching for even one lost sheep; the diligent woman searching for that one lost piece of silver coin; and the loving Father who waited for & longed for his one beloved son, deemed to be lost & possibly dead, to once again return back to his family. And in all three parables, there was much rejoicing that the once lost was now found. And what should have hit home to those Jewish leaders, was what Jesus stated in Luke 15:7: "I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

I'm sure Jesus riveted His Eyes on them when He emphasized that all of Heaven rejoices when that one lost sinner has repented & is found, unlike those who considered themselves righteous & without sin looking down upon the spiritually destitute. Instead of leading lost perishing souls to God (through Jesus their Messiah), the leaders determined to cast judgement against them & rejected them as the filth of the world. Rather, their own hearts lay bare before their Wise Judge & they would have done well to heed Jesus' Message to them & first look inwardly rather than finding fault in others.

Even those who inadvertently stray away, or lose their direction in life, even as the prodigal son who made a deliberate unwise choice to leave, still have a patient God in Heaven longing for their return.

Hi David.

I understand what you are saying and agree. The invitation goes out to the whole world as mentioned in 1 John 2:2 "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. The thing is many will not come, many will travel the wide gate as mentioned in Mathews 7:13. "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: "MANY WILL BE DECEIVED"

God knows who will come to him being he is omniscient; he is all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past present and future as he stands outside of time looking in.

I believe you see an example of this in Numbers 16:5 "And he spake unto Korah and unto all his company, saying, even to morrow the LORD will shew who are his, and who is holy; and will cause him to come near unto him: even him whom he hath chosen will he cause to come near unto him.

"The knowing comes before the choosing"

WHEN IT COMES TO BACKSLIDING.

We can look at the prodigal son in Luke 15:11-32 and those described as the dogs and pigs in 2 Peter 2:9-22.

The prodigal son and the pigs went back home!

THE PRODIGAL SON BACK TO HIS FATHERS HOUSE, and the dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

The son went the way of the world but he never lost his sonship, a lost child of God will always be found by the great shepherd!

He will return or he NEVER was a child of God.

Those described in 2 Peter 2:9-22 returned back to the world because they never were sheep.

You can "profess" Christ and go through all the motions and great deeds all your life and never have Christ and be told depart from me I never knew you. Mathews 7:21-23.

God bless.

Grace is the love of God toward mankind! We have been redeemed by the precious blood of the lamb. Even so, you and I are justified by faith. We must have faith ! I saw a picture of the sheep that was lost and his wool had grown to 70 pounds! He was lost for a while! After he was shaved, He had new life. A new beginning if you will! Not unlike the parodical son, or the lost sheep!

We will fail, we will fall, but we must get up and do it all over again! This is His will that we might know the forgiveness in the shed blood of the savior! Cleansed always in the sight of the Father!!!

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Stuck in the middle

When we observe professing Christians; there are many clues as to whether they are "fruit producers" or not. This could be more adequately explained by comparing all "professors" of the faith to those "possessors" of the Holy Spirit. Here are some helpful verses to examine ourselves as well as get some clues as to where others are spiritually.

"He chastises everyone He loves." ( Heb. 12:6). Those of us who have been truly walking the straight and narrow know better than to glibly pray for something like patience. To freely embrace a verse like James 1:2 where we are told to "consider it all joy" when various trials/temptations come pass need to trust the Lord that He knows how to work all circumstances for the good OF THOSE WHO LOVE GOD (and called according to His purpose: Romans 8:28). This is the best way we can distinguish who is in the faith; those who truly understand not only that their sins have been forgiven; but they have a new Lord; Savior AND master. His sheep hear His voice; they may go astray for a time but the Chief Shephard brings in the lost 1 from the 99. ( Luke 15:4).

"if you love me you will obey my commandments." ( John 14:15). This verse may seem to contradict the ones where people were doing all sorts of "good works" in His name but were not His sheep ( Matt. 7:21-23). This is a caution to anyone who would have a ministry based on their own name; or type of gifting and certainly for the prosperity gospel leadership. We saw the same self-righteous religion with the Pharisees. Judas Iscariot is a pathetic example who was somehow convinced to betray Christ for 30 pieces of silver; apparently 4 days wages at that time although it would show silver vastly more valuable then compared to today's valuation. It was the seduction of power; then which Satan used to draw him in; thus the verse The admonitions of Luke 6:26 and Luke 16:15 serve aw warnings for those loving praise of men over praise of God.

The Epistle/Letter to the Romans teaches the reader to obey the "powers that be" in the world.

The Apostles did not believe Jesus taught them to obey the "powers that be"; as evidenced by the fact that they disobeyed them:

Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. Acts 5:28-29

It appears you are trying to marry the two gospels together; one must choose one or the other:

"...if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Corinthians 11:4

Jesus has prophesied that he will tell all the workers of iniquity (sinners) to depart from him:

"I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity." Luke 13:27

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance. Luke 15:7

Jesus claims there are two distinct groups of human beings:

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." John 17:9

The world aka the "powers that be" aka workers of iniquity aka sinners only comprise one group.

The other group are the sheep who pray with Jesus: "thy will be done on earth" and "lead us not into temptation".

Psalm(s) 14 and 53 also speak of two distinct groups of human beings:

The "workers of iniquity" who eat up God's People as they eat up bread;

and "God's People" who are being eaten up like bread.

We don't sin with our mind and our flesh.

We have been commanded to love the LORD our God with all our heart, all our mind, all our strength, and all our soul.

He is able to keep us from sinning. He teaches us to ask him for his will.

Giannis,

Part 3

1 Peter 4:6 I think it would be hard to verify Peter is talking about the gospel being preached to dead people, it may mean those who are spiritually dead or ones that heard the gospel that has died and was dead when he said this, or an answer not yet reviled.

A general definition of a parable is a simple story used to illustrate a moral or spiritual lesson, as told by Jesus in the Gospels. Luke 15:3, 15:8, 15:11, and 16:1 are parables, and they are introduced in a similar form to Luke 16:19. In this both the rich man and Lazarus are depicted as having bodies, Lazarus a finger, the rich man a tongue after death, but scripture says new bodies are not given until the resurrection.

The rich man and Lazarus both were fully aware of their surroundings, scripture tells us there is no knowledge in death. My understanding of the lesson of Jesus is clear. Our current lives dictate our eternal destiny, which is unalterable after death, and the only way for this to not be a parable is for the soul to be immortal which comes from Greek philosophy and was advanced by Augustine in the church. My understanding is scripture does not support that.

Sorry, it took a while to get back to you, and forgive me if I repeated anything I'm an old man.

God bless,

RLW

Part 2.

The Chief shepherd lost sheep.

We have a sheep doing what sheep do, wonders away from home into the wilderness and ends up in the pig pen.

If he was anything else but a son he would like the pig pen or the wilderness but he's a son who remembers his life in the fathers house and look what happens.

AND WHEN HE CAME TO HIMSELF, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, Luke 15:17-18.

When he came to himself!

I would draw your attention to

2 Peter 2:22. "But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire".

A dog and a pig likes what they do. The fathers house is what they don't like, That's why they returned back to their old ways,

But a son "One born from above" doesn't turn back to his old ways and stay there, his Spirit won't let him enjoy it neither will his loving father.

"What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, UNTIL HE FIND IT?"

It's the Holyspirit what convicts us and keeps us. and when we return the Lord gladly accepts us back in the fold.

God bless.

Hi Peter.

part 1.

I would like to share my view on Luke 15:11-13. First with more emphasis on the loving father and his duel role as a Father and the chief shepherd.

Secondly the actions of the Son and a lost sheep.

Beginning at verse 1; Luke 15:1-32.

Notice in Luke 15:2-3 the complaints of the Pharisees that prompts Jesus to give 3 parables to make his point.

Notice what these 3 parables have in common.

Something someone possess.

Something lost.

and Something Found.

Take tote that while these were lost they never quit belonging to the possessor.

vs 4. What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, AND GO AFTER THAT WHICH IS LOST, UNTIL HE FIND IT?

vs 6 he says "Rejoice with me; for I HAVE FOUND ( MY SHEEP ) which was lost. "It never quit being his!

2nd Parable. vs 8. "Either what woman having ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, DOTH NOT LIGHT A CANDLE, AND SWEEP THE HOUSE, AND SEEK DILIGENTLY TILL SHE FIND IT?

vs 9. I HAVE FOUND THE PIECE WHICH I HAD LOST.

3rd Parable.

Luke 15:11-12. And he said, A certain man had two sons:

And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them LIVING. I would suggest that the living that the father given him was more than just substance which ran out, there was also life.

Look at what happens in vs14.

"And when he had spent all, THERE AROSE A MIGHTY FAMINE IN

( THAT LAND;) and he began to be in want. A FAMINE IN THAT LAND!

Coincidence?

kind of reminds me of Jonah.

Now let's look at the son/lost sheep in part 2.

Halleljua praised be You Jesus Christ who has made this possible for us. Thank you also for everyone who comes to you. You are a great and powerful God. The only One. Without you, we wouldn't be here at all. Forever thankfull to You Lord Jesus. Thank You Lord, for taking care of the new souls who have repented to you, Lord, we trust that.

God bless you and yours, Luke 15:8-10

Dear Right Hand, you can return to God for forgiveness, and He will restore you. Please read the parable of The Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11-32. He also forgave the Israelites time and time again for straying off to worship other gods. What He did for them and for others, He will do for you, but you must ask for forgiveness and repent.

Hi Melissa. 'sostanza' is not an English word. We can see it in the Italian language & it almost always refers to 'substance or matter'. In the Italian Bible we find examples in Daniel 7:1, Luke 8:43, Luke 15:13, Hebrews 10:34. The sense of 'evil' is not found there.

A very fundamental lesson

All flesh is appointed to die.

Every soul that sin shall die the 2nd death.

There's a new birth at conversion for those who trust in Christ. This is defined in baptism.

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27.

There is in scripture what is called the 2nd death. This has been taken care of for those who trust Christ.

Without Christ you're already dead.

1 Timothy 5:6.

Ephesians 2:5.

Revelation 3:1.

Colossians 2:13.

Romans 8:10.

Mathew 8:22.

Luke 15:24.

And here's an important one for the brethren.

1 John 3:14.

John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

AND WHOSOEVER LIVETH AND BELIEVETH IN ME SHALL NEVER DIE. Believest thou this?

One of many verses on the 2nd death.

Revelation 20:13-14. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Eternal life.

If you truly trust in Christ, you have been baptized into Christ. You already have ETERNAL life. That's the only kind he's giving.

If you haven't truly trusted in Christ you're already dead while you liveth and it shows up in your living and it observed carefully you'll find it in their Doctrine.

Romans 8:9.

Romans 10:8-10. But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

God bless.

Many times when reading Paul's letters I imagine that His words not only apply to the immediate church, but to the world. Could it be said that Christ died for the whole world, and we could than assume the world is as a church, with smaller church's and nations within it? Our pastor still preaches the gospel, with the forgiveness of sin in and through the blood of Christ. Holy

(Holy communion).

The present condition of the world and its history, may once again determine the future of the church! Remembering how the church became silent during the Holocaust , seeing the priests standing with the Nazis.

Propaganda, perhaps? One thing is certain, propaganda is attacking the truth even now, dividing us one from another! The church is under attack, by those who wish to dispel Jesus Christ and His death on the cross.

The sequel for the movie is suppose to come out sometime this summer (the passion of the Christ). Could this be a prophecy fulfilled, when we here those say," He is here, or there?"

We may see Him, coming as He left, coming in the clouds, while once again man turns the plows into swords!

The real question than becomes how can the world or the church exist under these conditions?

You are absolutely right but once it is pointed out it should be dealt with from the written word. Thank you for sharing.

This question goes to the heart of the law and the gospel. Without identifying the sinner, there is no need for forgiveness. Thus born salvation by work righteousness. This is what the evangelist is so adamant about. A good study of the Corinthians

1st Cor 5.1-13 answered my question completely. I have read that scripture many times but had forgotten it. Thank you for your input.

Thank you so much for your response. I read the chapter and it helped.

Berder's

Hello Berder, Glad you are here.

You can read in 1 Corinthians 5:1-13, It addresses this some. Also, see Galatians 6:1-5.

Hi Berder.

No. It's not acceptable but it was prophesied, Mathews 13:24-30.

And leaven was prophesied to be in the church back in Leviticus 23:16-17. "Pentecost." (Shavuot)

The only 7 feasts baked with leaven bread!

God bless.

What does the Bible teach about hypocrisy in church and everyone is aware of the wrong doing yet they are allowed to be members in good standing. No repentance no remorse. Is that biblically acceptable.

Hi Lisa. You've probably read the whole of Matthew chapter 3, where the view there is of John the Baptist baptizing in the Jordan River & many folk coming to him in response to his message to repent. Amongst those coming to him, were some of the religious leaders (the Pharisees & Sadducees). Did they come with the same understanding as the others, stating that they were sinners in need of such declaration? But John looked at them sternly & stated those words of condemnation in Matthew 3:7-10 to them.

Those religious leaders came physically to be baptized but their hearts did not align with John's message of baptism with repentance. They came in pride of their heritage in Abraham, that their salvation lay in being God's elect & not because of a personal heart examination. They came with their own interpretation of the Scriptures & adding more rules & regulations that bound a heavy yoke on the people & so made themselves superior by giving those extra requirements. They came pretending to show piety whereas their hearts were full of themselves & not full of self examination. They should have been exercised in heart in how far they had strayed from God's pure Word & ought to be lovingly teaching & guiding the people by it.

So John was questioning the motives of these leaders, that they ought to bring forth fruits (evidences, demonstrations) that come with a penitent heart, & not dead decaying evidence to which God's Axe would one day come to that tree of death, to destroy it.

From your testimony of a backslidden life, the first step forward is recognition of your sad state, the weight of unforgiven sin you feel, & the grief that brings to a Holy God Who has given His all to secure you into His family. When you humbly come to Him, & not as those religious leaders, He will forgive you, accept you without reserve, fill you with His Spirit, & give you joy for this life & hope for the life to come. Luke 15:10; 1 John 1:9; John 1:11-13. Bring all this to God in prayer.

If you are a Christian and have strayed from God, He waits with open arms to restore you. Read the parable of the Prodigal Son Luke 15:11-32.

If you have not been saved according to the Bible, do so now...

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.- Romans 10:9-13

Dear Sean, if you have truly been born again--repented, ask Jesus to save you--your salvation is sealed. Ephesians 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

Of course, we believers sin and must ask God to forgive us.

We also stray, but like the Prodigal Son in Luke 15:11-32 and the Exodus Israelites time and time again, we can repent and ask him to restore us, and determine never to commit that sin again.

Hi Adam. That's an interesting research. I had to cheat, forgive me, but found the following to add to your list:

U2's song "40" (based on Psalm 40:1-3)

Johnny Cash's "He turned water into wine" ( John 2:1-11)

Carole King, "Where you lead" ( Ruth 1:16)

Kelly Clarkson, "Be Still" ( Psalm 46:10)

Queen, "The prophet's song" (based on the Genesis Flood account)

Elvis Presley, "His Hand in mine" (inspired from Psalm 23)

Rolling Stones, "Prodigal Son" ( Luke 15:11-32)

The Killers & Elton John, "Joseph, better you than me" (based on Joseph, Jesus' 'guardian')

To Rick. Mentzer In my previous post l am not nor never would imply that Christ was deceitful in his prayers but was responding to some others post that suggested he did . My point is he had a earthly human body with real feelings the same as you and l and had every right to pray 3 times or as many as he needed while facing the torture before him for the sins of all mankind .

Bc Sir with all due respect Jesus Christ in all his actions and thought and heart always did the will of the Father so

where was the deceit in his prayer.

In reference to Jesus praying to the father three times and being deceitful in his prayer . One must recognize who Jesus was . First he is the only and non other purely the son of the most high God . He became man being born thru a woman thus him awakening into a flesh body called man , ln this body he laughed , cried , eat , drank , suffered , rejoiced the same as we do . You could pinch him or tickle him and he felt it same as we do . He could hit his finger with a hammer close a door on his fingers and shout out OUCH . My point is when he faced crucitfition he was the same as being in our bodies . He knew what was before him it was horrifying but he acknowledged the will of the father and faced it if it was no other way to save mankind . What pray would you have prayed ?

In previous Chapters we see Jesus is talking to many different people from different backgrounds, educations & walks in life:

Luke 14, Luke 15:1,2, Luke 16:1,14,

Luke 15:3 =3 parables prior have to do with GOD's goodness, amazing mercy & love for HIS lost children. Luke 15:4-32,

Luke 16, continues as Jesus is talking to the disciples, Luke 16:1, yet you see the others appear to still be there. Luke 16:14,

A steward is someone trusted with things, property, belongings (even teachings) that don't belong to them, they are trusted to maintain, keep, watch-over, protect, grow etc. In this parable Jesus seems to be pointing out the wrongs done.

Luke 16:8, notice Luke 16:9-13, if you go back to Luke 14, they appear to be at one of the Cheif Phariees house throughout these chapters. Luke 14:1, (Pharisee known for being very strict religious of GOD's written laws) therefore being a "steward" of GOD's written laws, including teaching, nextJesus speaks of the rich man, that showed no mercy. Luke 16:19-31, I believe Jesus is rebuking the "rich teachers, stewards" yet also teaching HIS disciples to be wiser to what is going on.

Hopefully this is helpful