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Matthew 26,

Matthew 27:3-5, Acts 1:16-20

Lazarus, John 11, your question about those who came out of the graves, what happened to them:

1Samuel 2:6,

Matthew 27:52,53, 1Corinthians 15, Matthew 22:31,32, also, Luke 7:15,22, Luke 8:49-56, Luke 24, Colossians 1

Did you see it prophesy in:? Ezekiel 37:12,13, John 5:21,25,28, Isaiah 26:19,

Hosea 13:14, possibly Isaiah 8:1, Psalms 88:10,

John 12:1-11,

Romans 6, Romans 8, Revelation 20,

John 11:25, Romans 10:9, Romans 14:7,8,9, 2Corinthians 1:9,

Hopefully these are all helpful in answering your question & deeper questions you & others may have on the subject

Sorry I meant Jesus' crucifixion, not Jesus' resurrection in Matthew 27:62-64

Dear Ronald

Please pay attention to the following verses. All evangelists agree that Jesus died on Friday.

Matthew 27:62-64

"Now the next day (after Jesus resurrection, Sabbath), that followed the day of the preparation (Friday), the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again."

Mark 15:42-43 "And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation (Friday), that is, the day before the sabbath,

Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus."

Luke 23:52-54 "This man went unto Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus.And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid. And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on."

John 19:31 "The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

John 19:14 "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" So it was the day before Passover. In that specific year Passover was on the last day of the Jewish week, that is on a Sabbath day. Now about the different time, 6th hour of the day, I don't know to be honest and I couldn't find or read any reasonable answer.

About those 3 days and 3 nights please read my post to GiGi yesterday, its too long to rewrite it.

GBU

Amen Godlions as God is gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh...And our God is a consuming fire ...But his fire is spirit which is the H.G. a consuming fire....That is gonna consume mans adamic nature....which is the rich man satan That owns everything...The slain of the lord is gonna be many....Which is mans adamic nature ...satan and his angels in our hearts and minds.

...... Malachi 4 :1 For behold the day of the lord cometh that shall burn as an oven ( furnace ) and all the proud and them that do wickely shall be burnt up....Which is satan and his angels and mans adamic nature that is in rank with satan....Remember Jesus called peter satan simply b/c peter had not been converted just yet...Remember our God is a consuming fire and thank God thats what mankinds needs....A new heart and a new spirit...After our old heart and spirit is consumed by his fire of the H.G. WHICH IS HIS JUDGEMENT....Whom the lord loveth he chastens with the fire of the H.G....The day of the lord will indeed burn as a furnace and thank God for that furnace....The fire of the H.G. THE FURNACE OF GOD.

......I Dreamed one nite that went to heavens Gate and i asked the angels to see Jesus..Finally he came and i asked him to be with him and he asked me if i cd go thru the Furnace of fire and i replied yes....And he said step back till we get the furnace ready....And there was a phone near by and i called my mom and told her that i wd not see her again i was gonna die in the furnace of fire....And here comes an angel saying the furnace is now ready....Then i instantly became 3 ppl...My 1st person ran into the furnace and my 2 nd person ran to it also...But when my 3 rd person got to the door of the furnace i thought about my Children and i stopped....And i woke up crying praying plz lord be merciful to me sinner...That was back in 1968...55 yrs ago

And the day shall burn like a furnace.

Matthew 27:32 And there were different ones also, two, evildoers, led with Him to be put to death.

33 And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified

Him, and the evildoers, one on the right hand, and one on the left.

The robbers kept reviling Him alright but what Matthew doesn't prophesy is that one had a change of heart, but Luke does prophesy it in chapter 27 one reviled Christ, and the other rebuked the reviler

Luke 27:39 And one of the evildoers which were hanged kept up a railing on Him, saying, If Thou be Saviour, save Thyself and us. 40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41 And we indeed justly; for we are receiving the due reward of what we did: but this Man did nothing amiss.

42 And he said unto Jesus, my Lord, remember me when Thou shall have come into possession of Thy kingdom

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - Jesus said these words

It may be for multiple reasons, knowing 2Timothy 3:16,

Interestingly if it were written 1st person as "I" it could have caused much confusion especially when quoted. GOD's wisdom always amazing!

Also to clarify who, to point to His human side fulfilling prophecy, son of man, son of David: Psalms 8:4, Matthew 16:28, = 2Samuel 7:16,17, Jeremiah 33:17,18,

Ezekiel 2:1,3, Ezekiel 37:12,13, = Matthew 27:50-53,

Just like when he cried out: Matthew 27:46 = Psalms 22, was he pointing those who knew scripture, to the very prophecy? I believe He was.

Also, To show He was like us, flesh & tempted, suffered yet without sin: Hebrews 4:14,15,16, 1John 4:2,

Hopefully these are helpful

Part 2

Ronald

Now in verse Matthew 27:53 the word "egersis" literally means "rising" and is another way of saying resurrection, like rising from the dead. If I understand well, you mean that those people that were resurrected were the ones that Jesus meant in John 5:28-29 so as to prove to Jews that He is the Son of God? Right? But verse 29 says "And shall (the resurrected people) come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." So it seems to me that Jesus talks about the future resurrection of the dead and the consequent judgement. Anyway ...

Now I also have a question. What time was Jesus crucified? In Mark 15:25 it says 3rd hour, that is 6+3=9 o'cock in the morning. Right? But in John 19:14, it is 6th hour (12 at noon) and Jesus is still standing infront of Pilatus.

GBU

Part 1

Hello Jesse

I agree with you that the parable of rich man and Lazarus is actually a real story but some details in this story make me have some questions in my mind. Fistly as I said before what are those flaims/fire? Since both persons have no material bodies but are just souls then how come the rich man is burned by flames(physical flames?). Secondly reading the story you will see the words torments/tormented in the English text in verses 23,24,25. In the greek text the word "basanois" is the word for torments in v23, which is OK. But in the other two verses the word "odynomai/etai" is used for tormented. But this word is mainly used in greek for spiritual/psycological pain, not physical pain. Why is then the rich man begs for water(physical water?)? Can it be that this story is just fantastic? Jesus just wanted to make people realize the consequences of not believing in Him and told a completely imaginary story? Just womdering.

Now lets go to Matthew 27:51-52

"52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."

Fistly there is a mistake in the position of comma in verse 53. The comma is after the word grave not the word resurrection, so it becomes "And coming out of the graves, after his resurrection went into the holy city and appeared unto many". This is the proper sentence.

You are asking, are these all of the OT saints? My belief is no they are not. It says "many bodies", not all. Secondly iF they were all the OT saints, which they must be many many millions of them, the whole land of Israel would be full of them, vastly more than the living Israelites at that time, which I find hard to believe. I believe that those were godly people that have recently died and were resurrected, lived the rest of their lives as before and died sometime later on, like Lazarus bro of Martha and Maria.

To be cont...

Walter:

What if there is not a COLLECTIVE rapture of the church?

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE by ONE, ye children of Israel.

What if the 144,000 (symbolic, not literal) are the Old Testament Saints that were resurrected with Christ?

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

God Bless you.

LaNette M. Tolliver

Please read : John 11:1-53,

Luke 16:19-31, someone I believe it was "Chris" in previous discussion multiple months ago, pointed out most Parables, if not all were without name, but this one, perhaps being about Lazarus.

John 12:1-18,

The sisters have much also mentioned it appears : Luke 10:38-42,

Matthew 27:56,61, Matthew 28:1, Mark 15:40,47, Mark 16:1,9, Luke 8:2, Luke 24:10, John 19:25, John 20:1-18,

Possibly even: Romans 16:6,

Hopefully these are helpful

John 1:51, Luke 24:51, Mark 16:19, Acts 1:2, Acts 1:9, = Jesus was taken up

There appears to be multiple men with that name: Luke 6:16, Acts 15:27,32, John 14:22, Matthew 13:55, Acts 9:11, Acts 15:22, Acts 1:13,

A guy also from Galilee = Acts 5:37,

Matthew 27:5, Matthew 27:4-10,

It's best to study, keep reading, keep studying

John 20.29 This particular verse reaffirms the belief that Blessed are those who believe in an unseen God.

Lord does not mean God. If Thomas said that to Jesus in the previous verse, it should be taken in metaphorical sense and not actual. I cannot accept Jesus as Son of God nor God for the following reason .1. Matthew 24:36

No one knows about that day or hour, not even the Son, but the Father only.

Here Jesus makes a distinction between what he knows and what the Father knows.

2. Matthew 26:39

My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me, yet not as I will, but as Thou will.

Jesus' will is likewise autonomous from God's Will. Jesus is seeking acquiescence to God's will.

3. John 5:26

For as the Father has life in Himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself.

Jesus received his life from God. God received his life from no one. He is eternally self-existent.

4. John 5:30

By myself, I can do nothing: I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who has sent me.

Jesus says, "by myself, I can do nothing." This indicates that Jesus is relying upon his own relationship with God. He is not trying to "please myself" but rather is seeking to "please the one who sent me."

5. John 5:19

The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees the Father doing, because whatever the Father does, the Son does also.

Jesus declares that he is following a pattern laid down by God. He is expressing obedience to God.

7. John 14:28

The Father is greater than I.

This is another strong statement that makes a distinction between Jesus and God.

8. Matthew 6:9

Our Father, which art in Heaven.

He didn't pray, Our Father, which art standing right here!"

9. Matthew 27:46

My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Inconceivable if he is God the Creator.

Space does not permit to write more.

Jew = tribe of Judah

Please note: Genesis 29:31-35, Genesis 35:23,

Genesis 44:18-34, Judah offers to be taken prisoner & suffer for his brother's accused crimes, because of the love he had for his father. Note: John 10:14-42, John 14, John 17, John 3:10-21,

Note: Exodus 12:35-38, Exodus 12:48, Esther 8:17,

Genesis 49:1,2,8,9,10,11,12, Genesis 46:12, Luke 3:23-38, Hebrews 7, Hebrews 8:7-13, - Hebrews 9, Matthew 2:1,5,6, Revelation 5:5,

Notice Genesis 49:10,11,12 = Matthew 21:1-16, Mark 11:1-10, Luke 19:30-46, John 12:11-16, Matthew 26:17-56, Mark 14:1-72, Luke 22:1-20,37,

Zechariah 13:6, Psalms 22:1,7,8,14,15,16,17,18,30,31, Matthew 27:35,37,41,43,46,51,52,53, Mark 15:3,6,15,20,24,27,28,29,31,32,34,38,

John 19:11,14,16,18,19,20,23,24,28,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,

Isaiah 53

Hopefully these are helpful

I wished to elaborate as I have previously on this subject. The scriptures indicate what Christ did; while his body was in the grave and His Spirit went to the lower parts of the earth. First off; since He created all things and His work was finished when He died on the cross; He was certainly NOT suffering in hell. (Sorry the point is too important not to shout). Those who would proclaim such things are in grievous error. The scriptures indicate that He said to the thief on the cross "Today you shall be with me in Paradise." ( Luke 23:43). However; 3 days later scriptures indicate that captivity was made captive ( Psalm 68:18 says it best; it also is stated in Ephesians 4:8 and a few other places). Thus; the bodies of some saints after the Resurrection came out of their graves ( Matthew 27:52-3) and the souls of men now all go to heaven who are saved; while those lost only go to the torment section of Sheol. ( 2 Cor. 5:6). The message therefore was a declaration of victory; to the Nephilim who were bound up already for their particular sin of fornication with women ( 2 Peter 2:4) as well as to the rest of those human souls in darkness. See also Psalm 16:10; Acts 2:27

This is somewhat similar to the message that will come out in the Tribulation. The Rapture may be hid to some; but the graves being opened up worldwide surely will NOT be able to be hidden. Clearly; by the sixth seal there will be no atheists. Thus; no Gospel message will be necessary to explain to the world that Jesus is Lord; but a declaration of the Kingdom about to appear on earth; and the judgments to come. In a way these events are characteristic of the end of each dispensation; when judgment is pronounced or at the very least the end of a given Kingdom or civilization when their transgressions come to the full ( Genesis 15:16).

Hi Lynne,

There have been many discussions about this. People differ in opinion. James 1:5, I ask you pray for wisdom & discernment of truth.

Why do you ask, this question like this?

1st we have Luke 16,

Then we have Paradise mentioned 3 times, in: Luke 23:39-46, 2Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7,

Out of the Grave: Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:52,53, John 5:28,

Judgement : Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4:1-5, Matthew 12:36,

Jesus being the 1st born: Romans 8:29-39,

Hopefully these are helpful

1Peter 2:19,21,

Good conscience, Christ suffered giving us example, trusting GOD not man.

Please refer back to why Jesus suffered = Matthew 12:14, John 7:1, Matthew 12:1-13, because he healed on the Sabbath?

John 7:7 "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil" John 8:44, Matthew 22:29,

Jesus corrected & rebuked the leaders in the religious sects & ignored their contradictory "mandates" even washing of hands.

HE disobeyed those in Governmental authority, because they were corrupt. Matthew 27:12,13,14, John 19:11, obeying GOD ALMIGHTY.

If you're referring to Our GOD Blessed Country USA. This website is global. The USA did not get the religious freedom it has by obedience to oppressive Gov. Please read the US Declaration of Independence & refer back to another scripture, 1Peter 2:14, Our "public servants" have not punished evildoers, but have actually committed Treasonous acts, putting Citizens in danger. We have a Duty given by our GOD to uphold law, order, safety of our people & protecting our freedoms. As Established within that document. Proverbs 31:9,

If you haven't noticed the chaos in the world after the falsified Election of 2020, please look & understand we affect the World for good, when we are strong, stable & blessing & helping other nations.

Let's not forget all of the Old Testament either.

How would Jesus handle these things today? Remember John 2:15 "And when He had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money and overthrew the tables." & Luke 19,

Cali, Gov. Fobid singing in Church Fellowship, GOD says sing, Psalms 98:4, Psalms 33:3,

GOD says Exodus 23:7, Deuteronomy 19:10,13, Deuteronomy 21:9 "So shall thou put away the guilt of innocent blood from among you, when you shall do which is right in the sight of the LORD"

There was 1st a Priesthood in: Genesis 14:18,

Another priesthood established after 400+ yrs of captivity of Israel in Egypt. Established in Exodus 28:1, described & defined & detailed in; Exodus 28, Ex. 29, Ex. 30, Ex. 31, Ex. 35, Ex. 38, Ex. 39, Ex. 40, Leviticus 1, note the Name, Aaron being in the Levi lineage= Exodus 2:1, Numbers 26:59, if you want to study the laws of the Priesthood all the chapters of Leviticus, I recommend.

Numbers 3:1-45, clarified who was allowed to be in the Priesthood. Note: Numbers 3:32, Numbers 4, breaks down duties of each family, within that tribe, separated by GOD specifically, Numbers 3:12-13, Numbers 3:41, Deuteronomy also describe the duties. This continued through the book of Joshua. King David & king Solomon, re-established the Levitical Priests; 1Chronicles 6:10, then again at the return of the Babylonian captivity re-established by Ezra, Nehemiah, Haggai, & all Israel that returned.

Therefore by these recorded accounts it appears the priesthood that existed during the moment your referring to in Mark 15, were traditional heirs of the priesthood as established, in Exodus. Respected & upheld by Jesus himself= Matthew 8:4, Mark 1:44, Luke 5:14,

Please read Isaiah 53, Zechariah 13:6, John 18:35,

Interestingly in: Luke 1:5, Luke 2, Hebrews 5, Hebrews 6, Jesus Our High Priest.

They swayed Pilate, Matthew 27:24, Mark 15:15, Luke 23:4-23, John 19:8-15, yet GOD ordained it & Christ allowed it, John 10:17,

I find it useful to read & study many Books of the Bible to answer my questions within one part of another Book.

Hopefully these are helpful & fully answer your questions

It will be recalled that when Jesus was offered wine to relieve His agonies at the cross he refused (although he was given the sour vinegar stuff right before He died). ( Matthew 27:34 as compared with John 19:29). Hence in that case the alcohol was for antiseptic purposes; when in the first it would have mitigated suffering. The verse in 1 Tim. 5:23 implores Timothy because of bad water and digestive issues to drink a little wine. Christ was accused of being a "winebibber" in Matthew 11:19 clearly demonstrates that indeed there were alcoholic beverages He and the disciples would partake in (as the wedding in Cana would also suggest since it was tasted by the official there and verified as such).

As Paul warns; not all things we are at liberty to do should be done. Firstly; we need to consider ourselves and anyone around us to make sure no one has problems with alcohol OR is a believer such as the person you responded to in order not to offend them with your liberties. That short of family settings and perhaps one or two close friends gets pretty difficult. Even drinking a bit to excess can be a slippery slope. At any event; clearly it isn't a sin to do this in context; and the fact it was used for many centuries as a pain killer when other more effective techniques only recently developed; as Proverbs states it is for those who are in great pain ( Proverbs 31:6-7). Those dying should be given pain relief is Solomon's message; but of course we shouldn't be drawn to excesses as he was as the rest of Proverbs teaches us with wisdom after the fact.

Simply being a distraction from God or enjoying any substance that is controlling us is dangerous. We have to be ever vigilant; such benefits as resveratrol found in red grapes and in wine can certainly be found in the fruit itself. Certain medication perhaps in a tincture of alcohol can be more effective.

May He guide you in these matters.

Agape.. Rich P

It will be recalled that when Jesus was offered wine to relieve His agonies at the cross he refused (although he was given the sour vinegar stuff right before He died). ( Matthew 27:34 as compared with John 19:29). Hence in that case the alcohol was for antiseptic purposes; when in the first it would have mitigated suffering. The verse in 1 Tim. 5:23 implores Timothy because of bad water and digestive issues to drink a little wine. Christ was accused of being a "winebibber" in Matthew 11:19 clearly demonstrates that indeed there were alcoholic beverages He and the disciples would partake in (as the wedding in Cana would also suggest since it was tasted by the official there and verified as such).

As Paul warns; not all things we are at liberty to do should be done. Firstly; we need to consider ourselves and anyone around us to make sure no one has problems with alcohol OR is a believer such as the person you responded to in order not to offend them with your liberties. That short of family settings and perhaps one or two close friends gets pretty difficult. Even drinking a bit to excess can be a slippery slope. At any event; clearly it isn't a sin to do this in context; and the fact it was used for many centuries as a pain killer when other more effective techniques only recently developed; as Proverbs states it is for those who are in great pain ( Proverbs 31:6-7). Those dying should be given pain relief is Solomon's message; but of course we shouldn't be drawn to excesses as he was as the rest of Proverbs teaches us with wisdom after the fact.

Simply being a distraction from God or enjoying any substance that is controlling us is dangerous. We have to be ever vigilant; such benefits as resveritol found in red grapes and in wine can certainly

I've read historical accounts, that in the Book of Acts, witnesses went house to house, witnessing events to others. That's how Jesus wanted it. Person to person witnessing.

She was one of the women who went to enter the tomb of Jesus and properly dress his body. She told the disciples Jesus's body wasn't there. She was in the Upper Room on Pentecost. There are records of that. I don't think she traveled with the Disciples after that, as there is no scripture for that.

Hi Bob , I have always believed that Mary Magdalene is also the Mary of John Ch 11 , however that's just my belief . All those stories that you speak if are just that , men's imaginations working overtime . If you want to know the Truth it's best to stick to what it actually says , or doesn't say , in the Bible .

Hollywood

The glory of woman in the scriptures is for lack of a better word "downplayed". Evidence of which are biblical, a condition that the holy spirit in and through the gospel and ancient writings "downplays". In the same sense as being born again! Conversion is the main theme in the gospel. Being born "Again", is why Jesus came to save the world!!

Beginning with the mother of Jesus and the story of Elizabeth, these two have unconditionally excepted the words of angels! Mary surely had known the promise of the Messiah, and yet does not question the facts of Her pregnancy. If you can imagine a child growing in your womb, while believing the words from the Lord this whole time! Yet, this child she knows nothing about shall come from within Her! I watched as my daughter had her first child, as it grew within Her. I couldn't imagine the fear of a human being growing inside of me, let alone the knowledge that it would be Christ!

The glory that this one has been given should never be downplayed, even by the media! For they no nothing of God , or the love for it! Neither do they contribute anything but devise hate which come from hell itself. These are the "Beware of false prophets" Jesus has spoken of. Remember the kingdom of heaven is within you! Even as Jesus was born from this Holy woman, such are we who are born again! Repent and be baptized

Hi Bob. And I would add Luke 8:2 to your list. I would pay very little heed to any secular construct of any biblical account, whether from books or screen. A few may have done a reasonable job of it, but I would think that with so little information to fill a book or a two hour showing, much imagination & re-telling/re-hashing of the accounts (whether true or apocryphal) would be needed. And of course, the writer's leanings & the message he wants to promote, would undoubtedly play a major part in all of it.

I have tried on a couple of occasions to watch a biblical series, but had to shut if off because of gross error or a display of the writer's wild imaginations that were inconsistent with the Holy Word of God. I find it more profitable for my own imagination to play out when reading a biblical story from the Bible & then let the Spirit check me if I have strayed too far by doing so.

When in ministry in Pakistan (late '80s), we often showed the Jesus film via a projector & screen, to various villages. These were mostly Christian folk (nominal), but often Muslims would come over to view it as it was shown in the open air. After this, the Gospel was presented & challenge given. This film was based on Luke's Gospel, though the one I have now on my computer (downloaded from the Web) is based on John's Gospel. Very accurate, plenty of Scripture, with narration as well. There are several now available for viewing from the Web, but one can soon discern which of them is profitable for continued watching. And yes, Mary Magdalene is also seen in them. Maybe, this might be useful for you if wanting to view the whole New Testament being played out.

"Mary Magdalene became a follower of Jesus and traveled with Jesus and the Disciples"

I understand that is the common belief, but as I noted my NT search shows Mary's very first contact with Jesus was a the cross. Matthew, 27:56. How was she a follower?

I've seen some movies and videos I do not care for.

Mary Magdalene became a follower of Jesus and traveled with Jesus and the Disciples. I'm sure she wanted to hear Jesus teachings. There were other women who traveled with the Twelve. They cooked and probably washed a few clothes and milked the goats.

Apostle Paul traveled with women too. I'm sure every precaution was taken to be above scrutiny or accusation. Paul had disciples travel with him too.

Mishael