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WORD OF CAUTION to people who remove things out of the Bible!!

Your soul is on the line.

REVELATION 22:

18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the PLAGUES that are written in this book:

19 And if any man shall TAKE AWAY from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the BOOK OF LIFE, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

So for those who thinks it's ok to edit out stuff that they don't agree with.... that's their soul on the line that follows Satan to HELL.

Burn that Bible. Get an authorized edition. Don't act clueless. There's a difference between paraphrased and authorized.

The Book of Life is the one your name must be in, to enter heaven.

Chacha Dean - In this life we can get by leaving things off/out sometimes. But when we are talking about the WORD we can't take from or add to, to do so will get our part removed. When my wife makes bread she uses more than flour, she adds salt, baking powder, milk, eggs. Don't let tradition cause us to leave out all the word.



Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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Dear Earl. I do understand your position about God's Judgement & the Lake of Fire, to which I'll refer to later. But to your question on Revelation 22:15 & then to Revelation 22:17.

Revelation chapters 21 & 22 speak of the New Jerusalem coming out of Heaven. Revelation 21:8 speaks of those sinners (as described therein) who will have no part in this glorious City. And of course, this verse is linked to Revelation 22:15. So in chapter 21, we read that those 'sinners' "will have their part in the Lake of Fire" & therefore, those in chapter 22 must also refer to those same people. But the question: are those verses in conflict (i.e. are they either in the Lake of Fire or are they living out their lives outside the new City)?

We know that this new City is prepared & brought down to the new Earth where no corruption exists nor can enter into, so what are we to make of this 'conflict'? If as you believe, that these sinners outside the City are the ones to be invited to "take of the water of life freely", then this new Earth is no longer pure & holy, as sinners also live on it. However, if Rev 22:14,15 does NOT refer to sinners sitting outside the City, peering in or longing to enter in, but rather being altogether outside the City, in Hell fire, then we have compatibility with these verses in both chapters. In Greek, the word for 'outside' ('exo') allows for being both outside of an area (e.g. Mark 3:31) or completely separated from an area (e.g. Mark 4:11). So, given Rev 21:8, one has to believe that these sinners are not waiting outside the gates, rather, they're excluded from both the City & the Earth, outside the Mercy of God, in judgement.

Terrance.

Perhaps this is what you are talking about,

John 21:22 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.

Read the whole chapter.

Thank you for those verses Earl. I will write how I perceive them.

In John 10:14. Yes the Lord knows His sheep and all that shall be saved. As He knows the end from the beginning. In that I myself could never tell anyone if they are saved, or will be, or not as it is all God's Will. Though in Matthew 7:21-23. stating there will be some that call out to Him Lord Lord!! Though He never knew them. Showing me that not all are of the Lord's sheep.

In John 10:16. I see this as the Lord starting with the children of Israel where He went about His mission for over three years. The "other sheep not of this fold", to me, are of all other people around the world or the Gentiles. That the Gospel began to be taught to after his death and resurrection. Though as we know not everyone who hears the Gospel accepts it no matter a Jew or Gentile.

With Romans 11:16. I see it as like in John 15:1-8. As Jesus Christ being the true vine and us(in Him) being the branches. As if we don't abide in Him we are good for nothing. I don't see all becoming holy(or saved) as Revelation 22:11.

Please let me know what you think. The two ways we may see these things are ok to me. I see no problem with having a bit different interpretations of these things. The Lords Will shall be done either way and I know I could be wrong. It is good for us to converse our feelings.

In reality the most important thing for all of us is to be close with the Lord and live by the Will of our Father in Heaven. 1 Corinthians 9:14.

Putting all our trust and faith in Him no matter what happens. Amen.

Brother Earl,

I very much enjoy reading your posts. Thank you kindly for your replies. It is a Blessing to be able to converse with you on things like this.

First I will start by saying exactly what shall happen is all up to God, and His Will, as you know. In reality I don't believe any of us can perceive how deep the thoughts, and plans, of God truly are. One day when we return to Him, after our physical death, then we shall know things not known in earth. Ecclesiastes 12:7.

As I'm still not positive if that you perceive ALL to be saved in the end but that's what I think.

If it is God's will that all shall be saved then I'm all for that. For His Will shall be done and whatever that is is what I want also. Though I have so many Scriptures that pertain to things like "the unsaved being cast into eternal damnation, it being better that Judas Iscariot was not even born, things of Heaven(which I believe to be the Spiritual Kingdom of God), our names written in the book of Life, that not everyone's name shall be written in this book, etc." Also of things like you stated how the wisdom of God shall fill the earth. Habakkuk 2:14.

I believe, from my aspect, that all have the choice and chance to be saved by God. His mercy and forgiveness is everlasting. No matter what we have done in our lives. Though it doesn't seem all choose that path or will be with the Lord for eternity. As even angels have sinned and turned against God.

I will just post all the Scriptures I have that I see these things in. As no man taught me about the Lord. God lead me to Jesus Christ who saved me.

About Judas Matthew 26:24.

Not all making it to Heaven Matthew 7:21-23, Matthew 25:41, Matthew 25:46, Matthew 13:37-43, Matthew 13:47-50, Revelation 20:15, Revelation 21:7-8, Revelation 22:14-15, 2 Peter 2:1-9, 2 Peter 2:17,

Heaven Matthew 25:31-34, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, Philippians 3:20-21, 2 Timothy 4:6-8, 2 Timothy 4:18.

2 Peter 1:20. May the Lord bring us closer together.

God Bless.

Richard, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding

Isaiah 55:11 So shall MY WORD BE that goeth forth out of MY MOUTH, IT SHALL NOT RETURN UNTO ME VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I PLEASE, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I SENT IT.

Most (in the age we are in now) want believe (ALL GOD'S WORDS only some of God's words) because GOD'S WORD SAYS THEY WANT. All eyes and ears have been closed, only those he is calling NOW will hear and see.

Isaiah 6:9-13 (vs 12) And the Lord have removed man (creature or creation) far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

(vs 13) But yet in it (the land) shall be a tenth (the tithe to God, the ROYAL PRIESTHOOD) and it shall return (in the ages to come) and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance (CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOLY SEED) IS IN THEM, when they (THE HOLY SEED) cast their leaves: so the HOLY SEED shall be the substance thereof.

Revelation 22:2 .... for the healing of the nations

Ezekiel 47:6-8

In the age we are in, yes there is saved and unsaved (vessels of honour and vessels of dishonour) THE WORKS OF GOD for his pleasure. Since they were made vessels of dishonour for HIS WORKS then God has provided a way for them to enter into the kingdom in the coming ages.

There is hundreds of scriptures that says ALL CREATURES OR CREATION will worship God. They can't worship God without being lead into the light; this is what the SONS OF GOD (Christ and HIS royal priesthood are doing to do.

We are not saved to go to heaven; we are saved to rule God's KINGDOM ON EARTH with HIM. The shadow is in the old; as Moses had judges under him we will be judges under Christ. What was to be fulfilled by the first Israel in driving out all worshippers of other gods will be fulfilled by the SONS OF GOD (true Israel).

Richard, this truth does't come easily because we have been blinded by the wisdom of this world.

I'm sure we will continue this topic for a while.

S Spencer, a parable to you, you said I am green.

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth (green) leaves, you know summer is nigh.

Revelation 22:2 ..... And the leaves shall be for the healing of the nations......

GBY

One of Jesus's names is the tree of life.

Eden was protected by an Angel after Adam and Eve were driven out of it.

If they had eaten of the Tree of Life, they would have lived eternally in their fallen state.

Search the Book of Revelation. The Tree of Life was moved from earth to Heaven.

GENESIS 3:22

And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

REVELATION 22:2

In the midst of the street of it (heaven)and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

GENESIS 3:24

So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

REVELATION 2:7

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the TREE OF LIFE, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Mishael

Hello Charles,

I don't think we who stick to the KJV bible would say it is the "only correct" one. It is the most accurate English translation from the Hebrew(OT) and Greek(NT) texts we have today. I'm not going to go so far as to say it is 100% accurate as I have seen subtle differences here and there going through the Hebrew and Greek texts. Although I will say it is probably more than 95% accurate and I am no scholar in translations. We must give credit to the 50+ highly respectable scholars who took years to translate the original Holy Scriptures to the first printed English Bible which is the 1611 KJV. The normal KJV is noted as the Oxford 1769 version. The only differences from the 1611 version are updated spellings, the letter "J" which was not yet in 1611, and some capitalization changes. Though it is word for word. Unless anyone else knows of any other differences.

A couple details for you about the changes made to the modern Bible from the KJV. Anywhere between 7 & 25 entire verses and 2,000 to 7,000 words removed. Then between 3,000 and 10,000 words added in some translation. Words changed. The KJV Bible having over 780,000 words it may not seem to be much. Though some of the things they remove and change are very important.

As I myself was led to Jesus Christ from I think a NASB Bible. Then seeing how much better the KJV was that is all I read now.

It is the most accurate English translation we have of the Word of God. If anyone has any questions about something it would be better to ask another, or search for details, rather than just dis-regard the KJV because it is not like "modern" people speak today.

Like stated it's not the "only correct" one it's the most accurate one in English. There has to be a best version of the English Bible and the KJV holds the crown.

Revelation 22:18-19.

God Bless.

S Spencer, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Isaiah 9:6 ..... HIS NAME shall be called

Christ bears the NAME of his Father just as we bear the name of our earthly father; but the Father (through Jesus) gives us a new name. We will bear the name of our true Father.

Revelation 2:17 .... To him that overcometh .......I (the Father) will give him (the overcomer) a white stone (the cornerstone, Christ) and in the (new) stone (us) A NEW NAME written, which no man knoweth SAVING HE THAT RECEIVED IT.

I Know HIS wisdom and HIS understanding will grace you with the answer.

Romans 8:29

Revelation 22:13

Ephesians 2:15

Hello S Spencer,

Thank you for that kind reply. It seems we have the same mind as I enjoy to read and agree with your detailed posts. Just as you stated Matthew 7:20-23. I also brought that up in that it doesn't matter how much we prophecy, or cast out devils(speaking in tongues also) that is not what saves us. God searches hearts and knows His sheep.

As in another post of yours I also agree Jesus Christ pre-existed. Having Scripture that shows this. Thank you for all of your detailed posts. You also being connect to the true vine our Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 21:22-23 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 22:1-7 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve Him:

And they shall see His face; and His name shall be in their foreheads.

And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

And He said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to shew unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.

Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Lezbeth, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 22:16 I JESUS have sent my angel to testify unto you (you are the church) these things (that are revealed; by Revelation) in the CHURCHES....

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him (Christ), to show unto his servants (Christ's inheritance; Psalms 2:8) things which much SHORTLY (during your lifetime) come to pass......

1 Peter 1:21 WHO (YOU) by HIM (CHRIST) do BELIEVE....

Galatians 2:16 KNOWING that a man is not justified by the works of the law, BUT BY THE FAITH OF JESUS CHRIST, even we have BELIEVED (by HIM) in Jesus Christ, that we might be JUSTIFIED by THE FAITH OF Jesus Christ......

Christ has given you HIS FAITH

Revelation 2:26 And he (you; the church) that overcomes and keeps MY WORKS (remember he gives us HIS faith, His truth, His wisdom, His understanding, His council, everything that is HIS he gives to us as our inheritance; we are his children) unto the END (when you leave this body of flesh at it's death; now he is going to give you HIS BODY; HIS incorruptible and immortal self ( 1 Timothy 6:16)......

Revelation 20:5-6 .... This is the FIRST resurrection.

(vs 6) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST resurrection....

Remember he gives us what is HIS; he gives us HIS RESURRECTION. ( John 11:25)

Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall LIVE, together with MY DEAD BODY SHALL THEY ARISE...

This is the rapture of the church (you) individually not collectively.

Isaiah 27:12 ...ye shall be gathered ONE BY ONE....

Mathew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken and the other left.

1 Corinthians 12:27 Now we are THE BODY OF CHRIST.....

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours (THROUGH THE WORKS OF CHRIST)

Revelation 22:13

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

That said , Jehovah has no beginning nor ending. The Holy Spirit always was.

The Son of God, Jesus Christ, however; was born of a virgin - Matthew 1:18

Dolly, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom And HIS understanding.

Matthew 15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came.....

Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, it is not meet (fit) to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs.

The Canaanites were gentiles and the children were Jews. Jesus is saying that the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU) was to be offered to the Jews first. The DOGS make reference to the gentiles. Now the Jews rejected the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU) and (vs 27) was a prophecy out of her mouth that ultimately the gentiles would be give the kingdom of heaven (CHRIST IN YOU).

Matthew 15:27 But she said, Truth, Lord, yet the dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their MASTERS

table.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs.....

Now this verse is saying that dogs (gentiles; who ARE NOT of the kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU) will compass about the Holy City. This Holy City is made up of the (kingdom of heaven; CHRIST IN YOU) saints, living now in physical bodies; but upon the death of their physical bodies they will be given glorified bodies. We are compassed about with NON-BELIEVERS. (DOGS)

1 John 3:2 Behold now are we the Sons of God, and it doeth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.

We had each other in mind at the same time brother Jesse!

Well Carleton, thank you. You are much too kind and humble. I think we can all learn from you. We are all an encouragement to each other in one way or another. You have a blessed day in Christ my brother

Jim,

In Mark 12:17, Jesus said render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.

They were trying to trap Jesus about paying taxes. Jesus asked who's image was on the coin. They said Caesar's.

So what was Jesus saying?

In Genesis 1:26, it says that God made man in His image. Do you see where this is going? Jesus is telling them if that is Caesar's money and he wants it, give it to him. It is worldly. It is part of his system, so give it to him.

But you are made in the image of God. Give Caesar his money, and give God what is due to Him.

I hope this helps!

Carleton,

Thank you for sharing that. That's a great example of one unable to be shaken of the faith God gave them!

....The chief reason why we were were tortured , was , that we should tell how many teachers there were, what their names were, where they lived, where in the city I had taught, how many I had baptized, where the ministry was imposed upon me, and what teachers were present upon that occasion; and I should acknowledge the magistrates as Christians, and infant baptism as right. Then I pressed my lips together, committed it to God, and suffered patiently, remembering the words of the Lord, where He says: "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." John 15:13-14....

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Hi, I had a dream once that Satan inside of a known acquaintance who shared the same two close friends of mine as friends of his. Only I was a Christian. Anyway we were in a laundry mat and I was telling the friends about the Lord when this man put his thumb to my forehead and I instantly fell to the ground. I cried out to Jesus and the dream ended. I think people can somehow harness power that is not of the Lord for their own temporary gain. From my Christian experience I can say the Holy Spirit is gentle.

Daniel, may the spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

You are leaving out the perimeters set fourth in the first three verses in Revelation 1-3

.....which shortly come to pass.....

....signified....

.....the time is at hand....

Revelation 22:10 And he said unto me, SEAL NOT the sayings of the prophecy of this book: FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND.

The truths in this book had the same meaning 1900 years ago to those readers as it does to readers today and will have the same meaning to readers in the future.

Daniels words were sealed until the day of the Lord (first time, Christ in the flesh; second time CHRIST IN YOU in a glorified body; to those who look for him, as the Holy Spirit). The Lamb of God who only is worthy to open the seals and declare the MYSTERY of his WORKS which is CHRIST IN YOU. TRUTH, RESURRECTION, and IMMORTALITY.

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his SECRETS UNTO HIS SERVANTS THE PROPHETS.

The answers to Revelation are hidden in the words of the prophets.

Revelation 22:19 Is a warning: are your answer coming from the prophets or a secular mind.

Can a preacher touch people in a church and power of holy ghost knock u down?

Steve, May the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

John 9 1-3 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.

(vs 2) And his disciples ask him, saying, Master, WHO DID SIN, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

(vs 3) Jesus answered, Neither has this man sinned, or his parents: but that THE WORKS OF GOD should be manifest in him.

None of us can completely understand why God does certain thing, but we can believe through the working of the Holy Spirit and stand on his word that the outcome will both bring us into the light and glorify God in the process.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy, whereunto you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day (of the Lord)(CHRIST IN YOU) dawn, and the day star arise in you hearts.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

Revelation 22:16 ...... I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together; and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice (the holy Spirit) saying in heaven (you, where Christ

dwells), Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of God (Christ in you), and the power of his Christ: for the ACCUSER of our brethern is cast down, which ACCUSED them (you) before our God day and night (they have no rest).

COME INTO MY REST AND CEASE FROM YOUR WORKS (your way of thinking)

May the SPIRIT grace you with ears to hear and eyes to see.

Summarize n clarify/render unto caesar/what is caesars/and gods unto god

Psalms 32:11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart.

Psalms 33:18 Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;

Psalms 34:1 I will bless the LORD at all times: his praise shall continually be in my mouth.

Psalms 34:4 I sought the LORD, and he heard me, and delivered me from all my fears.

Psalms 34:14-15 Depart from evil, and do good; seek peace, and pursue it.

The eyes of the LORD are upon the righteous, and his ears are open unto their cry.

Psalms 92:1 It is a good thing to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto thy name, O Most High:

Sophia,

God is eternal. That means that God has always existed and never had a beginning. That's hard for us to imagine.

There are a very FEW things that we can know about God by just doing logical thinking. The Greek thinker, Aristotle, was able to reason that everything that begins to move needs a mover to get it started moving, so there MUST be an UNMOVED MOVER: GOD.

There are MANY other things that we could never know about God unless God Himself revealed those things to us. Did you ever have a friend that told you a secret about something they thought or something they did? Well, because The Bible was breathed out by God through people that He chose to speak to, when we read The Bible, we can discover things about God that He wants us to know.

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Rom 3:23

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Rom 6:23

"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Rom 5:8

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life."Joh 5:24

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Rom 10:9-10

This is all possible because God's eternal Son left heaven to be born baby Jesus by Mary, His mother, grow up and die on the cross and rise from the dead to save those who will believe.

All the Scriptures that pertain to the Book of Life; for everyone's information and edification.

Psalms 51:1

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my TRANSGRESSIONS.

Psalms 51:9

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine INIQUITIES.

Revelation 3:5

He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will NOT blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life....

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:15

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Philippians 4:3.....whose names are in the book of life.

Revelation 17:8

Revelation 21:7

Revelation 22:18, a warning

Note: first 2 scriptures are what David prayed in prayer after he royally messed up, and knew it.

This is how we should pray in 1 John 1:9 always.

(Your Surety= Hebrews 6:18-20)

When we royally mess up.

We are a Royal Priesthood. In Hebrews 6:18-20 is named the High Priest of our faith.

Mishael

Revelation 22:19 was published for a reason. Who is the god of this world?

If you read the Bible as a history book you will find out that the tree of Life is still on the Earth.Facts show that the tree of Life is in EDOM and that people have tried to touch the snow that surounds the Eastern Gate where the tree of life is .Think the Bible has been writen for Quite a ferw times and that the Book of enouch has the meaning of the Bible up to When Jesus was born then the Book of Enouch has refrances to the end of time like Revlations has .How maney pastors have removed books from the bible and never let them be tought to any human Being?.