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It's not the translation of the KJV bible that lacks merit or credibility, but only people that misquote and mistranslate.

Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

Revelation 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"

Revelation 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Psalms 22:1 "(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?"

Matthew 27:46 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Mark 15:34 "And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Thank you for your comments - if I might take you up on a couple of things you mentioned there:

"A prophet(ess) and preacher have the same required duties." I suppose we would disagree on this aspect as I see that the prophet & the preacher are very different, unless of course, the preacher is gifted in receiving the prophetic Word. A prophet or prophetess would receive God's Word as a particular revelation to bring to the people. It must include more than a rehearsal of what is already known, but a direct Word from God for the future (whether for good or ill). If it doesn't include "the future", then it's not a prophetical utterance. After the Word of God was completed (as we have it now), has there been any prophecy from anyone (except the false prophets, of course), that could add to the Bible? Bearing in mind Revelation 22:18,19?

"His Word is enough to confirm his calling on women to preach." Well, I have yet to find a Scriptural authority for this to happen. Rather, when we come to worship, we have the attendance of Heaven as well. If even the angels observe the order & dignity in our services ( 1 Corinthians 11:10), then what must Heaven observe if there is a woman usurping the Divine Order, & see a woman preaching the Word to a mixed congregation. Can a sister share her testimony, can she minister to other sisters & children or can she assist in whatever way the Lord has gifted her? Of course, she can - she fulfils her position in the Church receiving the appreciation & gratitude of the Church. Blessings.

In Revelation 22:11 I discern a definite reference to the closing of human probation upon the earth since the language spoken declares them forever after the character our Lord Jesus says they are. In chapters 15: verses 1, 7 and 8, then chapter 16, we have the time for the pouring out of God's wrath (without mixture according to Revelation 14:10). The reference of those who live in the very end of human probation will live through the time of trouble. while the holy righteous class have the promise of mercy and protection even from the holy cherubim (see Psalms 27 and 91) the rest who are unjust and filthy shall receive the full wrath of God and be slain afterwards by the brightness of our Lord's glorious appearing, when He comes to be glorified in His saints. Both 2 Thessalonians 1:6-8; 2:8; Revelation 19:21. These Scriptures help us also to understand how the Lord will be said to come as a thief in the night during the outpouring of His wrath. His wrath upon those who have been marked for wrath are in contrast to them that are sealed in their foreheads. I am saddened that many will be unprepared to meet Him in peace, either because the have failed to put off sins by repentance and faith in our Lord and Savior, Messiah Jesus. Also many will be lost because they have been given a delusional eschatology and told they will be removed before the time of God's wrath. Jesus is coming soon, may we all be ready.

Danae, It is because ALL these people are written in the Lambs Book of Life,Rev.21:27. The statement is not TO saved and unsaved people. Any text our of context, is a pretext.

Why did God give us a choice to accept or reject in Rev.22:17, esp since He is sovereign?

Is it because of his righteousness or because it is free?

Thanks

Brother Adam,

Here is biblical proof with context

Isaiah Prophesy

Isaiah 7:14 14Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 44:6 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Prophesy Fulfilled

Matthew 1:21 Context 20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet,

Revelation 22:13 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

John 1:3 Context 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Titles used in the Bible = Word, God, Spirit, Holy Spirit, Redeemer, Almighty Father, I AM, First & Last, Wonderful Counselor, Lord, Alpha and Omega, etc = all these titles belong to JESUS.

I noticed that this scripture posted here in I John5;7 is wrong. In the King James version it should say 7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. This means that these three are one, not agree in one. You could say there is nothing wrong because all three manifestations agree which may be true but this isn't the message this scripture is trying to convey. This scripture has nothing to do with whether the three agree. It is showing us that all three manifestations are of one God, meaning should you get to heaven one day you won't see God with his son standing next to him and perhaps a dove upon the throne sitting there. If we believe we can change scriptures to support our own Trinitarian beliefs by editing holy scriptures we are very extreme danger of not being able to enter heaven.

Revelation 22:18-19

I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Brother Chris, the following might help us all to really know who our God is. As Christians, we all believe in God, but at one time or another, we were also exposed to the preaching of false teachers.

JESUS is LORD, God with biblical proofs, no Trinity

Old Testament Prophesy of Isaiah is very important, as his prophecy was fulfilled in the New Testament and revealed the name of God, whose name was kept secret in the Old Testament:

Isaiah 44:6 6Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

New Testament Prophet Isaiah prophecy fulfilled.

Matthew 1:24 Context 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Apostle John in Revelation

Revelation 1:8 - 9 8I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. 9I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 22:13 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 1:17 - 18 17And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: 18I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Continuation of my comments

english standard version = changed contradicts truth

john 1-3 english standard version (esv) 1 in the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was god. 2 he was in the beginning with god. 3 all things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.

what are the consequences of following false teachers, according to our god/lord jesus?

here is what our lord jesus is saying in the bible

is there danger in rejecting the "trinity doctine"?

the bible has no record whatsoever of any danger rejecting the trinity doctrine. however, the danger lies in "accepting & believing it, because it blasphemes god!

our names will be taken away from the "book of life" believers going to heaven, eternal life with god.

we, you & i go to hell to burn forever

following false teachers - accepting & believing what they preach as the truth & doing it or practicing it - you blasphemed god.



here is what god is saying

revelation 22:18 context 18for i testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, god shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, god shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

deuteronomy 4:2 2ye shall not add unto the word which i command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the lord your god which i command you.

Isaiah 14:12

How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

(12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!-The word for Lucifer is, literally, the shining one, the planet Venus, the morning star, the son of the dawn, as the symbol of the Babylonian power, which was so closely identified with astrolatry. "Lucifer" etymologically gives the same meaning, and is used by Latin poets (Tibull. i., 10, 62) for Venus, as an equivalent for the phsphoros of the Greeks. The use of the word, however, in medival Latin as a name of Satan, whose fall was supposed to be shadowed forth in this and the following verse, makes its selection here singularly unfortunate. Few English readers realise the fact that it is the king of Babylon, and not the devil, who is addressed as Lucifer. While this has been the history of the Latin word, its Greek and English equivalents have risen to a higher place, and the "morning star" has become a name of the Christ ( Revelation 22:16).

Rick,

Just curious! Where in the Bible does it say that lucifer is Satan? As you mentioned in your latest post.

Thank you,

Andrew

My belief is that Mary, by the grace of God, supplied the ovum necessary for the Word to become flesh. Else he would have not truly been the Son of Man, but another life form.

According to scripture, Jesus Christ would be the seed of the woman, the root of Jesse, the seed of Abraham, made like unto his brethren, the root and offspring of David.

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. ( Genesis 3:15)

Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. ( Isaiah 7:14)

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. ( Isaiah 11:10)

For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. ( Hebrews 2:16-17)

I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. ( Revelation 22:16)

Jesus is coming

Revelation 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

My dear friend, if you are posting questions so you can have a fight that is not good. Only dogs fight ( Revelation 22:15; Revelation 11:1-2). The word Elohim (God) is plural (Eloah being its singular) See: ( Genesis 1:2; Genesis 1:26; John 1:1; Isaiah 9:6; Deuteronomy 6:4). Your line of reasoning is the same as saying that while your mother and father are Williams, you are simply Kevin so you do not wear their title because you are only the son. There is God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. Please read Revelation 19:11-16, Revelation 1, Ezekiel 1, John 1. Read also the apostle Paul to the Phillipians (Philipians 2:12).

However, I will not continue this... Matthew 13:41. May God bless you.

Hi R. P Mai, I made a mistake in my typing, I meant to say I don't think you will find where God created any nations on the 6th day, but you will find where he created man on the 6th day in Genesis 1:26-31

Just to add to Steven's suggestion: the Site, 'Answers in Genesis' is also quite informative & even has a section for children dealing with this creation/evolution conundrum that they might be facing. With children, they generally readily accept teaching given to them & possibly asking questions later. However, if you're dealing with adults, then any argument 'for or against' will come down to its common denominator: if everything created by definition requires a creator, then who created God? Conversely, those who are proponents of the 'Big Bang' that brought into being the worlds & eventually living creatures/species, have to also support how any chemical, seismic, physical activity can occur without there already substance to cause that to happen - hence, the need for a creator of that 'substance'.

Man can only look at the evidence before him & use his knowledge (& imagination) working backwards to support his belief of an evolutionary process for the animate & inanimate worlds. Believers in God's Word begin from the first declaration (by God), & then work forwards finding that what we see & know now, fully supports Who God is & what He has done. But if the discussion is purely on the evolution of man from primate to homo sapien, then you will need to go deeper into the biological & spiritual dimensions as well as the possibility/impossibility of creating something of a different species from an established one. That would require much more scientific investigation.

HI R.P. Mai. No I don't think you will find where God created any nations on the 6th day, but in Genesis 1:26-31.

HI Amber, Chuck Missler does a good job on that topic, "creation vs evolution".

Hello Bob,

That is correct. I don't have a problem with people saying Jesus is God.

If you do then that's your issue. As my post was only to make peace. I do not call Jesus Christ the Father. Lots of other people do though so it's them you quarrel with I guess. I say the Father is in Jesus Christ and He in the Father. Just as our Lord states in John 14:10.

Yes the Father has authority over all. But you seem to put Jesus Christ on our level? God our Father has given all His authority to His Son Jesus Christ. He has all the power of the Father. You said to someone else "I agree that Jesus and the Father are One". How you interpret that is up to you.

Jesus Christ is the exact representation of the Father. As in Hebrews 1:2-3. God our Father is Spirit not human.

Yes I also would say Jesus Christ is at the right hand of the Father. I would also say the Father has given Him a throne also. Matthew 28:18, Matthew 25:31, Revelation 3:21

A couple verses showing the Oneness of God and Christ. Revelation 5:13, Revelation 22:1, Revelation 22:3

God Bless you.

hi i was wondering how do i teach people evolution is fake.

Is it mention any where in the Bible how many nation's God created on the sixth day.

If you read verse 20 first, it makes better sense. Adam had not seen a suitable mate for him.

what did god say about he did not want man to be alone so he created woman

Timothy money is in Matthew 25:18 17:24 Psalms 15:5 Isaiah 52:3 55:1 Acts 8:20 1Timothy 6:10

Where in the bible talks about money issues or if you have books on the subject ?

Thank you

what is the power in fasting and praying?

You have used the scripture well. Our flesh and the world, always tries and quell the spirit of God that lives within us. The love that we so dearly need is His spirit. We deceive ourselves when we live outside His spirit that is in Christ! The holy spirit uses the word charity, because it is the mobility , or the transfer, of so great love! It is no longer just noise! It is a living word.

Praise God.

You keep it up. The world needs Christians who won't give up and who will stand in the days of trial. The days of trial are coming.

I don't think that way. The Bible is not guilty of confusing or getting people off balance.

This is Daniels age of information: Daniel 12:9-10. It is a mystery that is opening, NOW.

I am not lecturing anyone specifically, ok? Most hindrances to Bible Study is NOT asking the Holy Spirit to HELP you to find your answers.

I'm old, lol. I study every day. If it's a disease, I have it. It's personally rewarding and captivates me to dig even deeper to get at some truth. You need Bibles with study reference columns in the center of each page; you need a concordance; you need skill at Googling: Commentaries, History, Teachings, Maps and Genealogy Charts. I use everything.

I watch very little TV. When it's quiet, I hear the leadings of the Holy Spirit much clearer. He is the most interesting Person I've ever known.

You have many good questions. You're being called to Joel 2:28-29, 1 Corinthians 12. Galatians 3:25-28. You're blessed so keep studying, but remember to encourage yourself in Jesus. Sit in the sun, listen to some praise music, contemplate the weather that God moves around (Job). Smile at one person.

In the 4 Gospels, 4 men, different occupations came to listen to Jesus. Jesus invited them to follow him. There's a prophesy in Psalms about Judas; who would betray Jesus. Mary Magdalene and other women who cooked & washed robes, etc, followed Jesus. Paul who was never married , had women that helped with various things. Thats where Googling skills come into play. Read a historians comments too.

Jesus was a story teller which is something I love too. You have to know a story to tell it to the unsaved. My friends, we are ALL called to do the work of an evangelist. Some call it gift of gab, but I call it sharing a story, in the power of the Holy Spirit that brings the message of Christ to a heart ready to be planted by Gods Word. Plant, Water or reap harvest. ( Matthew 10:27)

A love gift to you: Malachi 3:16-18

Mishael