Discuss Revelation 4 Page 5

What a wonderful statement.

Jon, trumpets don't keep time, they are the voice of God.

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great VOICE, as of a TRUMPET.

Revelation 4:1 .... an the first VOICE I heard was as if it were a TRUMPET talking with me ....

THE SEALED BOOK OR THE SECRET GOD'S BOOK

The sealed book was with God the Father, written within and without and there was written therein lamentations, and mourning, and woes as was seen by the prophet Ezekiel. Check it in Ezekiel 2:v.10

What the Most High GOD had planned to happen in the Lord's Day was still hidden, but it was written in a sealed or secret book whose content did reveal all things to happen in this last Day, i.e in this last millennium that is the millennium of Christ, even the end of the time. So, the content of the book would happen in the seventh and last Day exclusively. By the way, the sealed book would be the last of the Bible, the book of Apocalypse.

THE GREAT HEAVENLY CEREMONY BEGINS - AND GOD DELIVERS THE SEALED BOOK TO JESUS - JESUS WAS SEATED ON HIS THRONE

The heavenly environment in the Great Heavenly Ceremony only is possible to describe by the own Word of God, as is written i Revelation 4:v.3 to 11:

COME UP HITHER;

3 (See) ...there was a rainbow round about the Throne, in sight like unto an emerald. Rainbow is a refraction of the Light in the waters present in the atmosphere. The material things are figures of material things. The parables of our LORD Jesus is a good example.

There was a rainbow round abour the Trone of GOD. Why? Well, it is because GOD is Light, and waters are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues. The Light of GOD reflects upon His people and appears in the heavenly place in Christ where we are in the current time as is written in Ephesus 1:v.3, and Phimlippians 3:v.20-21, among others references. Check it out.

v.4 - And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 5:v.8-10KJV

8 And when he -the Lamb- had taken the book, the four beasts -living beings- and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:and we shall reign on the earth.- GOD's KINGDOM - Luke 20:35-36 and Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

24 ELDERS

Here goes the 24 elders showed in Revelation 4:v.4

They are the 24 messengers of the Word (the Word is God), beginning by Moses:

1 - Moses

2 - Joshua

3 - Samuel

4 - Ezra

5 - Nehemiah

6 - Job

7 - David

8 - Solomon

9 - Isaiah

10 - Jeremiah

11 - Ezekiel

12 - Daniel

13 - Hosea

14 - Joel

15 - Amos

16 - Obadiah

17 - Jonah

18 - Micah

19 - Nahum

20 - Habakkuk

21 - Zephaniah

22 - Haggai

23 - Zechariah

24 - Malachi

And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning

before the throne, which are the SEVEN Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

(What are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.?

Goodmorning Lee.

Here's my direct quote.

"Ch 4:1 you see he's called up to heaven."

Here's the verse.

Revelation 4:1 (KJV) After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, ( COME UP HITHER, ) and I will shew thee things which must be HEREAFTER.

Hereafter means the things he mentioned in ch 2 and 3.

COME. UP. HERE. This is not Heaven in you, it's a Location.

John is taken to the future tense and there is the 24 elders and the Lamp stand that was the Church in Ch 1.

Revelation 5:10 . And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

They sung a song-

They have been redeemed,

They're in white raiment,

They shall reign on earth,

And John saw them.

This is just answering the 24 elders question.

God bless you Lee.

Hi Lee..

These 24 elders represent the church,

Where they're "CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT" IN CH 4, AND DESCRIBED AS THE REDEEMED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB IN CH 5.

In Revelation Ch 2 and 3 you see John's writing to the 7 Churches, Ch 4:1 you see he's called up to heaven.

"The rapture has been taken place by this point"

Revelation 4:4. And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, "CLOTHED IN WHITE RAIMENT"; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Revelation 5:9-10. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, AND HAST REDEEMED US TO GOD BY THY BLOOD OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION"!!!;

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Isn't it amazing you see them in Heaven when some say we don't go to Heaven, we inherit the Earth?

Patricia, may the Spirit grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 4:6

The four living creatures before the throne is ALL OF CREATION.

God made a covenant with NOAH AND ALL CREATION that God would never again destroy CREATION.

Genesis 9:9-12

The covenant was with man, fowl, cattle and beast.

Revelation 4:7 And the first beast (living creature) was like a lion (BEAST), and the second beast (living creature) like a calf (CATTLE), and the third beast had the face of A MAN ( Revelation 13:18), and the fourth beast (living creature) was the face of an eagle (FOWL).

Ezekiel 1:10 As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of A MAN, and the face of a lion (BEAST), on the right side: and they four had a face of an ox (CATTLE) on the left side, they four had also the face of an eagle (FOWL).

ALL CREATION WILL WORSHIP GOD ( Revelation 4:8) ( Revelation 5:13) ( Revelation 15:4)

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Mishael

Patricia,

In Revelation 4:6, it says that in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts, (literally, living creatures). These four living creatures were full of eyes behind and in front. These are the same creatures in Ezekiel Chapters 1 and 10. And in those chapters, they are called cherubim. These four living creatures are special angelic beings that God has created.

What do verses 6,7,8,9 mean in the book of REVELATION CH. 4? What are the creatures?

Rev robert, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Revelation 14

Revelation 15

Revelation 16

This is the work of CHRIST DEATH on the cross and the work of HIS RESURRECTION and the battle ( Revelation 16:14) we are caused to fight to come to this TRUTH IN CHRIST. Being fulfilled for the last 2000 years as the Fathers draws us to CHRIST and CHRIST gives us HIS UNDERSTANDING to overcome. ASK HIM he will cause you to understand; but it HIS time frame. We have been in the day of the Lord now for 2000 years. He is harvesting HIS FRUITS as they become first ripe (firstfruits) ( Revelation 14:14-20) ( Matthew 20:1-16)

When the sixth seal was opened ( Revelation 6:12) Christ was crucified; prophecy of ( Joel 2:31). The old testament saints and the children of the resurrection were raised with him ( Isaiah 26:19),( Revelation 20:5-6) and ( Matthew 27:52-53). The old testament saints were sealed with the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ ( 1 Timothy 6:16)( Revelation 7:3-8). There was silence in heaven for one half hour ( Revelation 8:1) between the sixth and seventh seal. This is the 45 days between Christ resurrection and pentecost ( Daniel 12:11-12) 1335 days minus 1290 days. No one could enter into the temple (into Christ) until the seven plagues were pour out on Christ (he took God's wrath for us). now we can be ONE IN CHRIST ( Revelation 15:6-8). The four living creatures before the throne ( Revelation 4:6-8) is all creation. God made a covenant with Noah that they would never be destroyed again ( Genesis 9:9-12) man, cattle, beast and fowl. ( Ezekiel 1:10) ( Revelation 4:7). ALL CREATION will worship God. The lake of fire is how Christ cleanses and purifies us.

Hebrews 12:29

Luke 12:49-50

Matthew 3:11-12

Isaiah 9:5

Isaiah 4:3-4

Malachai 3:2-3

Ezekiel 20:46-49

1 Corinthians 3:15

Ann, may the Spirit grace you with HIS wisdom and His understanding.

Isaiah 11:1-5 Is a prophecy about Christ. Verse 2 is the prophecy of the seven spirits being poured out on Christ. This happened at Christ baptism of John. This is also the prophecy spoken of in

Revelation 4:5 .....which are the seven Spirits of God.

Isaiah 11:2 And the

(1) spirit of the Lord (Father)

(2) the spirit of wisdom

(3) the spirit of understanding

(4) the spirit of counsel

(5) the spirit of might

(6) the spirit of knowledge

(7) the spirit of the fear of the Lord (Father)

GBU

/ I love to learn God words more.

He is worthy to be praised, morning, afternoon, night and everybody minute of our lives.

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Revelation 4:2: yes, that does show John viewing One sitting on the Throne, but when you read further in Revelation 5:6-9, we also see Jesus (God's Word sent to be made human, but now ascended to sit at God's right Hand). And we know that Jesus & God are there in Heaven by this verse & also Romans 8:34. So God's Word was made flesh & called "Jesus" but raised as 'God Who is also Man' in that Body fitted for Heaven, even as we shall be in that day ( 1 John 3:2). And yes, it was God's Plan from the beginning to have His children enjoy intimate fellowship with Him. And God is His Fullness (i.e. the Father, His Son & His Spirit Who are God in Unity) do enjoy such fellowship with His children. Each cannot feel differently about us (i.e. God cannot have fellowship with us, but the Son says "But I don't like that person, let's have a chat about this Father"). God is One & that Oneness is seen in His expressions of His Son & His Spirit & in their Unity & complete agreement.

Jesus as a 'created Being': Jesus' Sacrifice as a Man does indeed have spiritual consequences but cannot be seen as a spiritual Sacrifice. He was fully human & fully God, yet laying aside some of those Divine qualities for the purposes of the Incarnation & Sacrifice ( Philippians 2:5-11). To enable us to be convicted, to draw us to repentance, to give light & understanding, to renew us & fill us, to sanctify us & to raise us up to the heavenlies, is the work of God's Spirit. And Who is this Spirit? The self same Spirit that is part of the Father & the Son.

1 John 3:9: that's a separate subject that can be discussed if you desire, as its meaning needs analysis. Though the concept of sinless perfection is concerning. Blessings.

First of all nobody is perfect.( Romans 3:23-25) Second of all i will pray for you to the Father.( 1 Timothy 2:1-4) David, Solomon, Moses, Aaron, and others in the Bible were not perfect, sinned against God and were corrected for it.( Hebrews 12:6-11) The key thing we all need to do daily is repent of our sins because we are not perfect but Jesus Christ our Lord is and he loves us wanting the best for us.( 1 John 1:9)( 2 Peter 3:9) Our choices decide how close or distant we are from the Father.( James 4:7-10) The main thing we need to remember is that God loves use and created us for his pleasure.( Revelation 4:11) The Lord never falls short but we do. This is why he wants us to humble ourselves and ask him for forgiveness in sincerity.( Proverbs 28:13) If we are not pleasing to him he will correct us to keep us from being deceived and falling away from him. The Lord instructed use through his word and sacrificed himself to draw us closer to him.( John 1:1-5)( John 3:16) Pray believing in the Lord with a humble heart and talk to him, he loves you because your his child( Mark 11:24).

The Septuagint was the (bible) holy words/teachings at the time of Jesus. The Jews gave Aramaic translations (Targums- to translate across-) to people. When Jesus followers were teaching about Christ from the Septuagint- the Jews rewrote the books in Hebrew (the old ones had been burned or destroyed; that is why the Dead Sea Scrolls were such an important find! Isaiah matched (!) their re translation from the Greek -= used at the time of the Prophets and forward to Jesus's day.) The Latin came later, and Jerome confessed (somewhere) that when he didn't understand the old Latin, he put in his meaning. Hope this helps. B.Boyd

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the KJV was authorized by king James and published in 1611 of which is the most accurate translation from the original to English. As for the council of Carthage, wasn't that authorized by the pope? And when one mentions "cannon" the Catholic Church believes their "cannon" is superior to scripture. When the New Testament was written, people did not have today's bible, but rather, the Torah. We all have so much to learn ....

U should hearken ur ears to some testimonies. there is power in the name: jesus

I'm an older street evangelist. I understand what you have said: the history and original translations.

In here I use King James Version Bible. Why? Because most people (other than our scholars) are new to studying the Bible. They know the names in this Bible. For their sakes, I answer plainly and with scripture. I even try to orientate them on how to use all the links and study helps on this website; to set their feet on a life of going deeper into Jesus's Life.

I'm not offended, ok. Every once in a while help a lamb find its Shepherd. Whoever does it to the least of these, does it unto Me.

Mishael

When translated from Hebrew to Greek ,then Latin and in to English this is the name they used,Jesus .However there is no letter J in the Hebrew or Greek alphabet, so therefore the name Jesus never existed back in this time,the letter J only came on the scene appx 500 years ago .The Messiah was called by his true name .

I was praying Chris would answer that but he's not here today. Would you please contact that comment? I don't know enough about that history to reply. I'm a street preacher; not a scholar.

Thank you thank you thank you!

Mishael,

You mention the King James Bible as being canonized by the Council of Carthage and I am curious about that. Did you read that someplace? My understanding is that the King James Bible was named after King James I, who lived from 1566 to 1625. The King James Bible was not in existence until the early 1600s. So I was just curious about how it could have been canonized by the Council of Carthage?

Thanks ahead of time, and thank you so much for the things you share here. Your posts always impress upon me your love for the Lord and true concern for the spiritual welfare of others. Again, thank you!

The Council of Carthage in AD 397 determined the Christian New Testament canon(collection of books to be included in the Bible) but the Bible itself was written by over 40 men over a period of 1500 years from the time of Moses around 1400 BC to John the Elder near the end of the first century.

You should ask CHRIS who is very knowledgeable about how the Bible came to be.

I use the King James Bible over other translations because this is the one that was canonized by that council.

I understand that maybe you are referring to what the Torah may say about the names. The scripture I gave you about the Archangel Gabriel's announcement of the name of Jesus, is what is recorded in the Bible. What Bible do you use, may I ask?

No matter what Bible, or what language, the Name of Jesus is the name, by which a person must be born again. Arguing about whether it's the correct name is not going to help anyone be born again.

Salvation is an act of agreement that we are all sinful and in need of Salvation. Our sins are put upon The Scapegoat, which is Jesus Christ of Nazareth: and He makes atonement for our sins by His Holy Blood sacrifice.

FAITH in what Jesus did on the Cross of Calvary for sinful mankind, is what will give you peace and security in His Sacrifice.

You must be born again. John 3

Everything is n a persons name, spelling & pronunciation. If I change ur name, it's spelling & pronunciation-it's not the same.

I know it's different to comprehend but what person n their right mind answers to a name that's not theirs-especially if they never changed it or authorized anyone else to do so.

The correct names & pronunciations r:

Gavriel

Myriam

Yehoshua or short version Yeshua.

Not Gabriel, Mary & Jesus.

The promise is n His name and by no other name-period.

Acts 1:10-20

This took place in a Upper Room. A prophesy Peter found about Judas Iscariot is discussed by the disciples. They are about to appoint a new 12th disciple.

I believe the Holy Spirit showed Peter of the prophesies about Judas Iscariot's betrayal. Jesus knew of the prophesy; He's God. It would explain lack of closeness with Judas.

The Commentary Page on this website says the prophesy is about Judas Iscariot.

This is one of those studies that you have to read at a snails pace, all of the center column references to get a clearer picture of prophesy with present circumstances.

I'm going to list the passages and let the scholars in here piece it together with Holy Spirit, our Helper: helping us rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Acts 1: 10:20

John 18:3

Matthew 26:55-56

Psalms 41:9, 55:23 (The Prophesy)

Isaiah 53:7 (Ch 53 all about Jesus)

Daniel 9:26

Lamentations 4:20

Leviticus 25:15

Deuteronomy 16:9

*when you Google on Judas; just use his last name & it'll get you to the right Judas.

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

Psalms 22:16-18 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:5-7 For every battle of the warrior is with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with burning and fuel of fire.

Isaiah 11:2-9 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;

Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

John 4:25-26 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Messiah came. On the day he was crucified, well over 100 prophesies about him had bee fulfilled. You compare those prophesies with the recorded historical account of that time.

Luke 1:31

The Archangel, Gabriel, told The Virgin Mary that the baby's name would be Jesus.

Check out Luke 1:

We all know that jesus most certainly can not be found in any ancient scriptural documents. And even though this name jesus is popular currently doesn't make it the actual name of the Mesiah referenced in times of old because we have no history of the Creator, the Profits or otherwise Men of the Creator referring to the changing of Messiah's name to anything. In fact we do have a history of the consequences of those who turned the people of the Creator to other gods & names which never turned out well for them. Personally since we've come across so many conquering events worldwide whatever name used in the community of the Creators people at the time of the Messiah is a better choice.