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Is Yeshua really Lucifer?

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

The Complete Jewish Bible by "messianic believer" Dr David Stern writes: "Presenting the Word of God as a unified Jewish book, the Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) is a translation for Jews and non-Jews alike. It connects readers with the Jewishness of the Messiah. Names and key terms are returned to their original Hebrew and presented in easy-to-understand transliterations.

The CJB is a translation of the Bible into English by Dr. David H. Stern. It consists of Dr. Stern's revised translation of the Old Testament (Tanakh) plus his original Jewish New Testament (B'rit Hadashah) translation in one volume.

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

In Isaiah 14 (REMOVED LUCIFER AND INSERTS MORNING STAR) Their argument is Lucifer is a "Latin" word that does not belong in English. About 20% of English comes from Latin. Does Taco not belong in English since it is Spanish?

Satanists and Luciferians know who Lucifer is. Read Carefully

Isaiah 14: (the fall of Lucifer)

11 Your pride has been brought down to Sh'ol (Hell)

with the music of your lyres,

under you a mattress of maggots,

over you a blanket of worms.'

(KJV uses Lucifer Stern inserts MORNING STAR who FELL from Heaven)

12 "How did you come to fall from the heavens,

MORNING STAR, son of the dawn?

How did you come to be cut to the ground,

conqueror of nations?

13 You thought to yourself, 'I will scale the heavens,

I will raise my throne above God's stars.

I will sit on the Mount of Assembly

far away in the north.

14 I will rise past the tops of the clouds,

I will make myself like the Most High.

who fell from heaven going to the pit of Hell? THE MORNING STAR is Jesus

Jesus = Yeshua = Morning Star

Who is the Morning Star? Stern says Jesus is Yeshua

Revelation 22: 16 "I, (Jesus) Yeshua, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the Messianic communities. I am the Root and Offspring of David, the bright MORNING STAR

Jesus is Yeshua the morning star

You're correct Bob. Yeshua is not the name used in the NT. Yet, my understanding is that amongst Messianic Jews, they use that Name, probably because of their roots rather than using the Greek, Iesous; Jesus in English.

I know that that Gentile believers working with Jews/Messianic Jews do use their terminology, probably more for identification & providing that the Name doesn't divert from its meaning & application. When working with Muslims, often we use their words for God, Jesus, Salvation, Sin, etc. so that they can understand what we are saying, but of course, often the way they understand these doctrines varies considerably to biblical meaning, so further explanation has to be given to bring them to Light.

Vernon, from Rev 13, we can at best only speculate what the Anti-Christ & his Mark will actually turn out to be. We have the Scriptures & we also have knowledge of today's world political/economic situation & technology. How all this will change in ten, twenty, fifty years down the road, can only be a guess by anyone.

From Scripture, it appears that both the Anti-Christ is a person (as also the False Prophet) & his Mark, a tattoo or chip inserted into the body. The Mark seems to be required only for trading, rather than identification, as if a person without it cannot buy or sell, which will certainly result in his death if he can't eat, drink or live in a dwelling. Whether this Mark is or includes an insertion of a chip in the hand/forehead is also possible with current technology thereby maintaining uniformity of all people in this regard. And of course, for those who are limbless for some reason, then the option of the mark in the forehead seems proper.

So, I don't think that I have adequately answered your question, as we really don't have enough information to go by except what we are observing now & how we interpret those signs. The signs however, are there for the world stage being prepared for the Anti-Christ, a longed for 'saviour' for not only negotiating 'lasting peace' (false, temporal peace, of course), but also to set himself as the supreme world leader & indeed, the 'christ' who receives the praise & worship because of his great acts of wonder & service to all peoples (i.e. to peoples who obey & bow down to him). And why shouldn't they do his bidding, if it means that their lives will be spared. We can think of the 'mini-anti-christs' of the past: Hitler, Qaddafi, Kim Jong Il, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Castro to name some. And all these appear insignificant to the might & wickedness of coming The Anti-Christ.

Yeshua or Jesus? Heresy or Hebrew roots? Is Yeshua a denial of our English Bible that was new testament that was written in Greek, not Hebrew. No one can show us from the Bible that Jesus was ever called YESHUA.

Luke Chapter 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name [was] Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

(Angel Gabriel gave JESUS his name from the Lord)

so by what scriptural authority does anyone have to call him YESHUa?

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his

father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

YESHU is a curse that means may his name be blotted out. This is commonly used by those who claim to be Noahides.

They claim Noah was given a set of laws yet they exist only in the minds of Rabbis. I can not find Noah being given any laws in my King James.

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Chris and or who else may have the answer,In the book of Revelation,who or what is the Mark of the Beast ?

concerning the 24 Elders question you gave an answer to,subsequently I would continue,thank you for your response

Vernon, we can't be absolutely sure about these Elders simply because the Scripture doesn't give us any more details that what we have in Revelation. However, it seems very likely that they are believers from the Earth, quite possibly from the time after Christ's death & resurrection.

They must have been prominent men renowned for their faith, service & in death. The following Scriptures tell us this: Rev 5:8, "hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"; v 10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." ( 1 Pet 2:5,9); 4:4: "and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." ( 1 Cor 9:25; 2 Tim 2:5, 4:8; Js 1:12; 1 Pet 5:4). So these are not angels or heavenly beings, but the redeemed from the Earth given a prominent position in Heaven near to our Lord.

Q

Were the 24 Elders Redeemed from the Earth or are they Angels in Heaven ?

was the four books of the gospel (Matt., Mark, Luke and John) written for unbelievers or believers (scripture chapters and verses)?
was the epistles written for unbelievers or believers (scripture chapters and verses)?

see voice of the eternal gospel on youtube

Wesley G, I get what you are saying. It is as Paul stated, "The things I know to do I do not, yet those things i Know not to do those that i do".
As also stated our flesh and the desires of it are at enmity toward the heavenly Father. Messiah, His Son Yeshua, gave us an entry to the Father. That is where you must start. He (Yeshua) stated "I will bring all men unto Me when I am lifted up" (signifying His death on the cross) But we are not to "come to Jesus" and that's it. Messiah gave His life that we can commune with the Father and when we accept we are (where) sinners, now connected BACK to our heavenly Father we can live for Him. Presenting our bodies a living sacrifice - without spot.

Rev. 4-6 the four beast decribed in this verse is praising the one at the throne saying Holy Holy Holy What is the meaning of the four beast?What dose the descriptions of the four images signify ?

Revelation 4:11 View whole chapter See verse in context
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure, they are and were created. God is love, and with love he created the universe, our souls, and all life on earth. It pleased the Father that he created life. We are not to worship his natural created life, just enjoy what he has done for; Isaiah 45:18 View whole chapter See verse in context
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

That is true Walter

The 4 living creature are holy

What do you mean that your body loves God? Scriptures say our flesh is at enmity with God.

..and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. And still Christians are told this is about the future. How sad. Obviously this is about the present - as of 2000 years ago - not today.

Wesley,
The Ten Commandments will help you repent , pray give your heart to Jesus he will help you. You have to want to change a life style. He gave you free will. Your choice no one else can do it for you. If you make the choice Jesus will walk with you all the way. He is the one who will never leave you. His promise.

verse 11- Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for Thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (2019, GOD has not given-up His Rightful ownership of the earth, stars, sun, moon, man, woman, birds, lions, ..., ..., that were created 'by GOD' for GOD's pleasure.

Revelation 4:8 Holy Holy Holy Lord God Almighty......looks clear to me he is our Holy Holy Holy Father

tried to post something for you lastnight Wesley, get into a good church or Bible study, trust in the Lord with a pure heart, let him redeem you from your sins, as we all have, trust in him to guide your path, there is nothing he cannot forgive, if you truly are seeking him with all your heart mind and soul, it's all about love, and if Christ can forgive any sin,so should we that go against us

Wesley stay in the word, read the Bible daily, and trust in the word, believe in Lord thy God with all your heart mind and soul. Leave anything in your past go drop it at the Lords feet on the cross, let him take the burden, find a good church, and a good Bible study group, Praying for you, easy to take a path more walked then a path less traveled but that is the one forever lasting.

Having Been Called(John6:44)Washed in His Blood (Revelation1:5)You will be Baptized with The Holy Ghost ( Mark 1:8)You Will be Changed ( 2Corinthians5:17) Impossible not to Know. His Spirit Will Teach You(John14:26) as You Read His Word Telling Others what He has Done in Your Life and The Way of Salvation. By Prayer, Reading KJV and Telling Others,You will Draw Closer and be Stronger with The LORD

my body loves god. but very hard for me to live for god can anyone help me with this

Only Jehovah God is worthy to receive our worship and all the glory and honor because He created all things and he allows us to continue to exist.

John was instantly meditating - as by now he was very good at it - where he introduces the control room - your brain and mind. The one on the throne is The One Like Unto the Son of Man first mentioned in chap. 1 then given different attributes throughout this book. This is your super conscious mind or your overself. The 24 elders are your 24 cranial nerves subservient to the overself.

This chapter reveals a great deal. First go look at the stones described. they are the color of fire and are spotted and patterned in snake and Leopard prints. In chapter 13 it reveals the sea of glass that is the floor of this heaven. If beast protect the throne that have wings = the number of elders. given all the sign and that they want worship 24-7 proves Devil. 10 horns = ten crowns all fall.

As Jesus says, Satan is a liar and the Father of it. As the end approaches Satan rules on earth and speaks as if telling the truth and deceives many (including the very elect). His doctrine is utter nonsense and his intent is only selfishness. Many muse, is this he who shall lead us to salvation? But Satan will have these in derision as he consolidates his power on earth. He owns their souls..

I tell you who reads, our king is soon to come, our time of hardship is nearly over, but death is eminent for2 3rds of this wold will not make it to salvation, trust in the lord as you know him, not only that you believe, for if you have even little faith you shall move a mountain

The beast are creatures, Zoon and guard the throne.

Mother01;the revelation of Jesus Christ is about past present and future...The beasts represent the four Gospels being preached...Lion=Mathew;Calf=Marc;Man=Luke; Eagle=John...Satan has been cast to earth already and is the ruler of the air...The short time isn't three and a half years,it's a short existence in this age compared to eternity...God bless all here...Meditate in the word day and night