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Perhaps referring to: Revelation 5, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 20:6, context Revelation 20, Revelation 7:15, John 14:2,3,

Hopefully these are helpful

Love the revelation as taught by hal lindsey/ revelation

Am going to have to make this short, much can be said on this subject, been a long day.

We are saved by Grace alone, through faith, but what is faith without works? It's dead, it is dead faith.

Our works is the only thing we take with us, they make up our Fine Linens, Our robes, It's one of the finest rewards ,, least ye walk naked in shame, throughout the millennium.

Revelation 19:8

Revelation 7:13

Revelation 7:14

Sorry I would like to do this more Justice, but we earn our fine linens, and robes through our works.

"Christ will come like a thief in the night" and take it, if we are not ready and watching 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ---- 2 Peter 3:10...

Read Matthew 24 starting at about v42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If you're not ready, and are caught backsliding, all your works can be stolen from you, like a thief in the night. Be ready always, be watching always.

Commentary Rev. 7

Chronologically; it would seem that this would be an event immediately after the seal judgments. It is entirely possible even with some overlap after the Tribulation begins that the 144,000 had already begun their ministry. We go then immediately to the great multitude of those in verse 9 and 10; and repeated in verses 13-14. This would appear to be resurrected bodies which would mean this signifies the Second Coming when they finally appear. What is not clear is whether these 144,000 were actually involved at all in witnessing to the multitude; we notice the absence of any mention of it here. What we do know is that they are given a seal of being "untouchable" much as Elijah was and will be along with the other prophet giving witness in Jerusalem at that time. The trumpet judgments destroying the earth will not affect them (verse 3). This reminds us of the angel in Ezekiel 9:4 where those who would decry the evil would be marked and preserved from destruction (also something like those who had blood on their door before the Exodus).

Clearly Antichrist will mock this with his OWN mark either then or right after the 2 prophets are killed and resurrected. He also will imitate the works of Elijah bringing fire down from heaven; no doubt to authenticate his "divinity" and also to imitate what the 2 Prophets did.

It seems the 144,000 may be translated; there is no doubt that they will be persecuted which could explain Matthew 25:36-40. Those who help or don't help the Jews in prison at that time will be judged accordingly as to being saved or not; as once again we have to remember the sixth seal will mean any declaration of Jesus being Lord is moot; as all will KNOW that God and the Son are in heaven and starting wrath. If the wicked know certainly the righteous will. This is more like Christ when he went to free the captives in sheol; it is a declaration of victory over the grave to those imprisoned there; man; angels and nephilim.

Verses 1 through 5 relate to Sardis; with a rather vague condemnation of works not "perfect" as stated in verse 2. Clearly; sin was involved as the "garments were not stained" who would walk before Christ in white because they are worthy as verse 4 indicates. This would seem to be a subset of those who eventually will overcome as verse 5 indicates. Verse 3 shows that those who don't watch and wait as Luke 21:36 exhorts will have Christ return (probably the rapture) when they don't expect. It would seem that those would be the ones left behind; but still are saved as we note that they have garments but they are defiled. Those unsaved wouldn't be clothed in any spiritual garments. This is of course controversial; but it seems that few will wake up in time for the rapture. The alternative to that is that they will stand at the Bema seat and suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). One thing is for sure; those who do believe will be martyred and this in large part proves their faithfulness. Some are given white robes in Revelation 6:11; Revelation 7:14 seems to indicate robes made white by martyrdom; however. The question whether robes and garments are the same could be asked. Perhaps the best thing that can be taken here is that we must die to self daily and be ready for martyrdom; which comes largely from not fearing death. Only through the Spirit can we do this! We do well also to heed to ongoing persecutions and pray daily for our brethren.

Next the Philadelphia church and Laodiceans are brought up as polar opposites in many ways.

The theme of "patience" in verse 10 is repeated throughout many N.T. and even O.T. passages as characteristic of those faitfully waiting for the Lord's return going about their business. ( Luke 19:13). Overcomers once again even in this church are promised a future blessing (in this case to sit with Him in His throne). Spuing them out certainly once again sounds like being cast into the Tribulation. Let the reader pray and decide.

Continued:

Yehshua also said Revelation 6:11

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.

only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.

Revelation 7:3

"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits

i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11

I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population

Jeremiah 31:34

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.

Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?

WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness

you need to understand Zechariah 4:14

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Once the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of God, the 5th trump sounds, Satan's fallen angels are here.

God's very elect are the 7,000 from all races, Acts 2

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

What did God tell Satan & his angels, Touch not My Elect, that have the seal of God in their forehead

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them (Satan & his angels) that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those who have the seal of God(Sealed)during the Hour of Temptation will not be touched by this wrath, which IS the wrath of God.

All who are alive and remain go through the tribulation, question is DO YOU HAVE THE SEAL???

behold the Lamb of calvary I saw my JESUS with a nail in his hand and they take him to the

toom and they berried him and he rose again upon the third day,

GOD shall wipe away all tears from our eyes thanks your son LORD,

THANKS FOR THE BLOOD OF JESUS that washes me, AMEN

Anytime the four winds are mentioned in the Bible it is referring to "The Great Tribulation" The Time of Jacobs Trouble.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Matthew is prophesying how God Gathers His Elect (together) out of the great tribulation for the sign of the 2nd coming is near Christ is near.

Then we are told to learn the parable of the fig tree in v32

Now learn the parable of the fig tree; When its branch shall have become already tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye get to know that summer is nigh: (Christ's return is near)

God uses the life cycle of the fig tree to give us an indication of when to expect the coming of the 2nd advent.

Jeremiah 49:36

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Revelation 7:1

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Zechariah 2:6

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

In Job 1 we see that Satan can cause destructive winds that kill people, animals and communities.

Also that God owns the storehouses of Rain, Snow and Hail.

Matthew 24,

North, South East & West, examples: Ezekiel 37:9, Revelation 7:1, Job 37:9,

East Wind; Genesis 41:6,23,27, Exodus 10:13, Exodus 14:21, Psalms 48:7, Isaiah 27:8, Jeremiah 18:17, Ezekiel 17:10, Ezekiel 19:12, Hosea 13:15,

West Wind; Exodus 10:19,

North Wind; Proverbs 25:23,

South Wind, Job 37:17, Luke 12:55, Acts 27:13,

Psalms 78:26, Ecclesiastes 1:6, Jeremiah 10:13, Jeremiah 51:16, Amos 4:13,

Interestingly in Michigan the Northern winds blow, it feels like bitter coldness inside, freezing your nose inside like icicles, even through your clothing layers. In Southern California when the " Santa Ana winds" dry & hot, dusty, both very district & unpleasant. The winds that blow East from the Pacific Ocean even summertime bring cool, unpleasant chills as early evening approaches. Etc. (In some personal observation of distinct winds.)

Hopefully these are helpful

Here are a few scriptures that should help show truth

Galatians 1:8,9, no, Angel given another gospel not ok.

Revelation 14, 144,000, seem to be clearly defined in: Revelation 7:3-4, broken down by tribe: Revelation 7:3-8,

Not just the Laterdaysaints: Revelation 7:9-17,

don't add to word, or take away from: Revelation 22:18,19

Matthew 25:31-46,

Women prophets Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Exodus 15:20,

Acts 4:12, John 14:6, John 3:16,

Hopefully these are helpful

Read some of Nelson Walters teachings on YouTube.

Type: Nelson Walters 144,000

I like his stuff. I've been waiting for someone to put out videos on the 10 nations. He has. And it includes Turkey which is the one, no one wants to discuss.

Young Man:

God's word's:

Romans 3:3 For WHAT IF some do not believe? shall there UNBELIEF make the faith of God without effect?

What if, is a QUESTION.

If you study God's Word you will find God asking thousand of QUESTION.

Those scriptures end with a QUESTION MARK.

Go look, God wants you to know the answers to those QUESTIONS.

God Bless YOU.

The Bible is not about "what ifs"

It is clear that after these 144,000 are marked; that they are not affected by the remaining seal and trumpet judgments before they are taken up to heaven. ( Rev. 14:1). Since they are standing on Mt. Sion (the spiritual true Mt. Zion in heaven) as opposed to the martyrs under the throne apparently awaiting resurrection bodies ( Rev. 6:9-11) it would appear that they are as the scripture indicates taken to heaven as "redeemed" firstfruits ( Rev. 14:2-4). So therefore; it appears that they are raptured; as firstfruits would include O.T. saints (some of which came out of the grave after the Resurrection of Christ; and the church possibly also including the rest of the godly O.T. saints at different intervals). It would certainly appear with their sealing that it could encompass not dying but I'm not sure that can be proven from that verse. In theory; it is even possible that they could be like the 2 prophets who die and are resurrected about the same time (that could I suppose mean they are all killed at one time and subsequently resurrected rather than raptured). That's the only possibility I see.

It is rather controversial the timing of the O.T. saints (which in the book of Daniel seems to occur around the midpoint of the Trib) and that of the whole true believing church (which occurs in conjunction and immediately preceeding the Rapture as I see it). Again; we do have Enoch and Elijah who were taken out of this world; although it appears Elijah has been preserved and never given a Resurrected Body; and perhaps if Enoch is the second witness according to the Hebrews 9:27 principle he also was preserved; but possibly he was raptured. And the saints coming out of the graves was the beginning of a series of events between the Resurrection (Christ being first of firstfruits) and the rest of the firstfruits such as the 144,000.

That's my best take on it; remember most will die in the Trib; a few will survive physically until and through the 1000 years.

Walter:

What if there is not a COLLECTIVE rapture of the church?

Isaiah 27:12 ....and ye shall be gathered ONE by ONE, ye children of Israel.

What if the 144,000 (symbolic, not literal) are the Old Testament Saints that were resurrected with Christ?

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

God Bless you.

I have a question. Are the 144,000 raptured during the Great Tribulation, or are they killed?

Amen Juarez. The problem is, many in the modern church haven't read Daniel or about Bible prophesy well. The "no rapture" or "the rapture is simply the 2nd coming" even replacement theology which is like a plague in this discussion all come from heretic doctrines.

One of the strongest proofs of a Pretribulation Rapture is the event of the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet in Daniel 9:27 and then again by the Jesus Himself in Matthew 25:15. This is the event when the Antichrist will claim to be god from the temple in Jerusalem, and demand that the world worship him or be killed. From this blasphemous event, it will be exactly 3 1/2 years until the Lord's SECOND COMING ( 2nd Thessalonians 2:4).

Since the Bible plainly states that no man knows WHEN the Rapture will occur ( Matthew 25:13), we must conclude that it will be a Pretribulation Rapture, because we DO KNOW it will be exactly 3 1/2 years between the abomination of desolation and the SECOND COMING.

1st Thessalonians 4:14-18, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

All Christians will be removed from the earth at the Rapture. However, the Bible teaches that sinners will be saved after the Rapture, during the Tribulation Period ( Revelation 7:14). We read in the Book of Revelation that the Beast will make war against the saints ( Revelation 13:7). These will be people saved during the 7-year Tribulation.

Ephesians 4:11-12

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

Although I sincerely believe two of these were fulfilled my the perfect which is Revelation but evangelists, pastors and teachers remain in the post-apostolic/early church. There have always been women evangelists and teachers. Now, bishop (not referring to what catholics or lutherans may define of that role) was a type of pastor; that's where things have gotten out of order a bit in modern churches. When the role of bishop/pastor is held by a woman...it does make me scratch my head a bit. Why?

1 Timothy 3:2

"A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;"

"...the husband of one wife..." That cannot be translated to mean woman. The word man can as in Genesis sometimes the word man was in reference to mankind (which includes woman). But if a woman says, "I'm the pastor of the church." My question is, "then you must also be the husband of one wife?" Now, sometimes a pastor (husband & wife) lead a ministry jointly and the husband dies...I've seen the wife step up and I don't really see a problem with that. What I see a problem with are the Joyce Meyers' types out there who believe they are the head in God's order. They weren't called to that role but they self appointed. Regardless, it's not scriptural.

If God calls you to do it, He will Equip You to do it.

You need to try to live a life without controversy. You will pray for the Holy Spirit to anoint you for the work.

Without the Anointing, there is no Harvest. Without a solid Prayer Life with fasting, the seed will fail.

God will hold us responsible to teach and preach THE WORD of God. Revelation 22. It's a serious thing to be a Shepherd to Gods flock. They get born again, and you bring them up like children. They grow from baby to adult under Jesus's watch.

Try street ministry first. I did it all wrong of course. Then the Lord said to me: are you through doing it your way? I went from tears of failed efforts to the greatest harvests I could imagine.

But you have to get the newborns into the care of a shepherd (pastor). They carry the babes in arms and prayer. They guide, rescue, teach, correct, encourage in difficulties. Grow the up into a spiritual man or woman. To an age, when they themselves are reproducing Christ.

Are you ready for the task? God will make a way for you, no matter the obstacles, if He has called you.

Street preaching is a whole different call. It is not being. Shepherd. You guide them to a church who will carry them to maturity. You need to work within the church in any function: childrens church, adult women groups. Singles and married groups. Do tasks in the church. Like phone ministry, visiting elderly at home, sick at home, organize and help benevolence ministries. Churches always need helpers.

If that is beneath you, you're not ready to shepherd.

I'm not criticizing. Just telling the truth. I personally did myself. Following Jesus's steps all the way. I did all the stuff no one else volunteered for.

It was a season. My true love is street ministry.

1Timothy 2 :12

Are women permitted to preach the word according to the bible?

Dear GiGi that happened in 1949. Jews were exiled from their own country since Romans destroyed Jerusalem (Jews revolted twice against the Roman rule). Solomon's Temple was destroyed too. The city was rebuilt but Jews were prohibited to enter the city untill the 7th centuary AD. In 1949 after WW2, that land was given by the British to Jews to re-enhabit it and the new country of Israel was formed and Jews from all over the world started to gather in their ancient land. At that time God's promise that He will gather them to their land was fulfiled.

Is there any other promise left for them to be fulfilled ?

In the NT Paul talks about his nation, what is going to happen in the last days. He doesn't say that a new country will be formed with Christ as their leader that will rule on the whole earth. But he says that all Israel will believe in Christ " after the fulness of gentiles be come in", Romans 11:25-27. After 'the fulness of gentiles be come in' means that no other gentile is left to be saved. When is that going to happen?

Lets go to Revelation

The 144000 saved at that time are the first Jews to be saved, Revelation 7:4-8. Then the rest of these people will be saved. Question. If salvation for Israel starts during antichrist's time, during the great tribulation (Its obvious that these things happen during tribulation because in the next verses 9-17 we read about the ones in Heaven that were slaughterd by antichrist) when is that time that Jesus with Israel rules on earth? Doesn't make sense, does it? In Revelation 12:1-6 we read about that woman that was sent by God to the dessert. Who is that? It is obvious it is Israel, see verse 1. Antichrist will go after Israel and God will protect them. There is nothing else left for Israel untill the fight of Armagedon. Is it that Jesus will rule on earth with Israel during the next 1000 years? No, Revelation 20:4-6 talks about those that didn't receive the mark and were slaughtered. End of time, nothing else left.

Tribulation definition online: "a cause of great trouble or suffering"

Deuteronomy 4:29,30,31, 1Samuel 26:24, Matthew 13:20-21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 8:35-39, Romans 12:12, 2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 2Thessalonians 1:6, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 2:9,10,22,

There seems to be a difference between tribulation & The great Tribulation,

Matthew 24:21, Romans 2, Revelation 7:14,

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

Sorry about the Revelation 11:7 typo. It should read like below:

-Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11:7

What group is resurrected first, at the seventh trumpet?

Revelation 7:1-8 occurs before the six trumpet, before the day of the Lord, when the 144,000 saints are sealed. Continuing, Revelation 7:9-15, where now it's the seventh trumpet, Revelation 11:15, and the same sealed saints have been resurrected, and are now standing in heaven. We know it's the saints because we're told they came out of the great tribulation.

(same scene, different angle)

Revelation 5:11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;*10,000 x 10,000 = 100,000+ remaining = 144,000

Look at the moment the saints are resurrected? Revelation 11:11-12

Look who the 5th seal saints were told to wait for before He judges the earth. Revelation 6:9-11 & Revelation 11-7

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Paul was not talking to the general population, he was talking to his kind, first fruits, fellow elite, saints, dead and alive. The scriptures bear this out, who they are, and is always up for debate if you think you are a first fruit.

Hi Virginia,

The Jesuits were not founded until the 1500s, some involve the Jesuits with end-time teaching, with the black Pope, and more, and their past is not filled with a lot of good. The Sabbath is the seventh day, keeping the Sabbath is more than going to a church on that day, Exodus 20:8-11.

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in 321A.D. The main reason was the conflicts between the Jews and the Christians and since the pagans did their thing on Sunday. Constantine claimed to be Christian, but this law does not read like it.

"On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost". Codex Justinianus, lib. 3, tit. 12, 3.

Council of Laodicea -364 AD named Sunday the Lord's Day. One reason was to stop the Sabbath-keeping tendencies in the Eastern Roman Empire. The Council of Laodicea produced sixty rulings, or canons, covering a broad range of topics and punishments.

Many worship on Sunday because the day Jesus resurrected was on the first day of the week and some on Saturday. We are also told not to judge, Colossians 2:16 read all of chapter 2. Every day is a good day to worship in the spirit and truth, John 4:23-24.

Some point to the phrase "four corners of the earth" that appear in the Bible. Isaiah 11:12 Revelation 7:1, and Daniel 4:11 is said the earth would have to be flat to see the tree, and more, but even if people in the past believed the earth was flat, in my opinion, the Bible does not teach that.

God bless,

RLW

It quite literally is impossible for the Earth to be flat. Flat earthers attempt to twist scripture out of context.

Here are a few:

Matthew 4:8 Job 28:24 Job 37:3 and quite often Revelation 7:1 the four corners of the earth.

Simply an old sailors myth? Afraid the ships would fall off of the earth when the horizon line was reached. Fortunately, they just kept sailing and it never happened.

We know that science changes daily but physics plays a large role in your question.

If the earth were flat would different regions be experiencing different seasons? Winter, summer.

Do planes fly around the earth or do they go one way and then have to turn around to get back. Satellites orbiting. Different views of stars. Is New York city seen from hundreds of miles away. If the earth is flat what's on the other side. If the flat what satellite image shows the "thin ends" or sides of the earth.(its a globe, sphere, round, spinning) No NASA didn't photoshop every single image.

Let's dig in and pray fervently for the world right now. Should you feel burdened to do so. We are a few bad decisions away from seeing a "flattened earth" if you follow.

How wonderful is it to Not know all of the workings and mysteries of God.

Hopefully this helped in some manner.

Ty

Yes, Matthew 2:2, Luke 23:51, John 4:22, John 8:31, John 11:45, Acts 14:1, Acts 17:1-4, Acts 21:20, Acts 22:12, Paul himself was,is Acts 26:4, Revelation 7:5,

John 3:15-21, Matthew 25:31-46,