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Comments by Alex about the Israel OF GOD, The Children of Promise as Jesus was refering to when he spoke of the H.G. saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is our new innerman the H.G. the ISRAEL OF GOD from the seed of Christ the living WORD . Romans 9 : 7 Not all Israel is Israel its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. THE ISRAEL OF GOD that comes out of the loins of Christ , his seed , his breath etc .But he says the children of the flesh are not the children of God, its the children of Promise that are counted for the good seed which are spirits the H.G. plural the children of PROMISE that are gonna be as the Stars of Heaven which are the ISRAEL OF GOD OUR NEW INNERMAN, THAT NEW CREATURE THAT IS GONNA BE BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED the words of Christ. That new covenant, the contents of the book in the volume of the book it is written of me i delight to do thy will O GOD meaning the words of the book are living beings GODS to whom the word came it made them GODS and the scripture cannot be broken. As them that are born of God cannot sin and thats God will that we might not sin period be ye perfect as your father in heaven is perfect,The Israel of GOD are gonna be perfect which is the result of the New Covenant the blood of Christ. The seeds of the sower . The children of PROMISE but the main thing to remember is the children of the flesh are not the children of GOD . GOD has a more perfect people in mind which are his spirits the H.G. plural THE CHILDREN OF PROMISE. Whosoever receiveth one such child in MY NAME receiveth ME. A lil one shall become a 1000 and a small one a strong NATION I THE LORD WILL HASTEN IT IN ITS TIME THESE ARE THE ISRAEL OF GOD THAT ARE GONNA BE BORN IN US SINNERS. The children of the kingdom . Unless ya receive the Kingdom as a lil child etc. Thats y the new birth is so important, there is a baby Christ in the seed of Jesus. The kingdom can only come via a birth gbu

Alex Comments about the WOMAN IN REVELATION 12, Her Child is the Israel of God which is the H.G. That was born by the seed of God ( the Word of God ).Remember Jesus said the good seed/Word are the Children of the Kingdom .YA gotta realize that Christ sows a heavenly seed which is the very LIVING WORD of God .Which is a much greater seed then Abrahams seed . Natural Israel . The seed of Christ is the Israel of GOD Which is her Child the living WORD of God thats how he will Rule ALL NATIONS HE IS GONNA BE BORN IN ALL of US VIA that good seed which is the seed of the sower . Thus her Child is the Child of PROMISE WHICH IS THE H.G. THE KINGDOM, that is gona rule all nations simply b/c he is gonna be born in the hearts of ALL MEN humanity, Remember Jesus said the field is the WORLD where that good seed will be sown,as God so loved the world, If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me. Thus the WOMAN IS THE WORLD THE BRIDE the CHURCH but her CHILD IS EMANUEL THE H.G. GOD WITH US. Our Kingdom, Remember Jesus said unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil CHILD you will in NO WISE enter there in . The wedding was started 2 days,2000 yrs ago at Pentecost ,They were all intoxicated at Pentecost in the spirit but they ran out of that 1 st wine,Jesus has kept the best wine for last Which is the new covenant , CONTENTS OF THE BOOK, Mankind is gonna have a baby Christ, the Womans BABY WHICH IS SPIRIT THE H.G. Thats y he always called himself the Son of MAN. Unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given which is the results of the seed of the sower the Words of GOD , that NEW WINE, Ya gotta realize that the Kingdom nor true salvation comes till the woman gives birth . Revelation 12 v 10 . I HEARD A LOUD VOICE FROM HEAVEN SAYING NOW IS COME SALVATION AND THE KINGDOM OF OUR GOD AND THE POWER OF HIS CHRIST ( the womans CHILD is our new birth,our new innerman ,our new heart and new spirit .THE KINGDOM OF GOD BORN IN US VIA THAT GOOD SEED THE LIVING WORD THE H.G. GBU.

Hal Lindsey ? Good grief ...

Sorry but no rapture , get real faith Jesus is coming watch and pray

Beware of false prophets!

Saying the end is near .

Wells without water ,clouds without rain

If you have refused to accept Jesus's invitation to be born again ( John 3)

And you are Left Behind on earth, after the Rapture of millions/billions of believers

No one knows how rapidly the Beast will set up the Economic takeover of all institutions using money, currency. It will come by force. The Antichrist is revealed after the Rapture. There is also a False Prophet who will set up a One World Religion. All nations will get on board with it.

A Police State will be formed. There are testimonies from workers that have already witnessed guillotines in warehouses. Not on national news. A one world system of money will be formed. Meanwhile there will be assurances from the Antichrist that everyone will be taken care of. Food will be barely enough, water too. Look how disrupted ALL nations are now with this CoronaVirus plague. People aren't all working; businesses closed, bankrupt; schools barely limping along. Children who have not blasphemed Jesus Christ will be raptured; all infants, toddlers, handicapped. Why? People in the Bible ate their children in famines.

And then 1/2 way through the 7 years, the Antichrist will turn from solving problems to become a mass murderer in ALL nations. All banking is ended. You will have to take His Mark (666) in your forehead or hand. You will have to Worship him; become a traitor to those who refuse to get the Mark. You can't trust anyone. Rioters will invade homes to get food, water or gasoline. An asteroid named Wormwood will hit the earth and climate will change to winter. Water will be poisoned, all fish will die. Earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis & more will occur. There will be hailstones big as cars. Animals will attack humans for food. Read Revelation & minor prophets! Try to get informed! Read some Hal Lindsey books NOW!

Why go through this? Look for the BECOME A BELIEVER link on this website. Block Print it and Tell others before it's too late. Depend on JESUS. He is your ONLY safe place.

After the rapture of the church will those left behind have an opportunity for salvation? If any take the mark of the beast they will suffer God's wrath... does this mean if you don't take the mark you have an opportunity to be saved from hell?

God's re-creation of a new Heaven (may also refer to the sky/universe) & a new Earth, is the final great Act of God to remove the stain & stench of sin from the Earth. Satan, his demons & all who followed him have been cast into the eternal Lake of Fire (chapter 20), so now this new Earth will be for all the righteous ones to live on, with God Himself reigning with them.

It appears that with the creation of the New Jerusalem, which comes down & is established on this new revamped Earth, that there will be no other countries or cities, as all of God's people will be eternally with the Father & His Son in this new City. Those who have been raptured, or had died in Christ earlier, along with the Old Testament saints & martyrs, will have 'physical' bodies so fashioned, that we will be able to live in Heaven or on Earth. That is why the "dead in Christ will rise first" at the coming of the Lord ( 1 Thessalonians 4:16), that their reconstituted bodies, with those living, will be physically with the Lord & not just 'spirits in Heaven'.

The 144,000 that you read about in Revelation chapters 7 & 14, apply to the 12,000 from each of the 12 Tribes of Israel. We are not told how these will be known & selected (except it's stated that they are virgins ( Revelation 14:4), seeing that present day Israel is largely of mixed blood. Yet aside from these, there will still be the number of redeemed Gentiles ( Revelation 7:9) who will, together with all the other inhabitants of Heaven, worship the Lord into Eternity.

What is not Created in Goodness and Faith? We who Do GOOD Deeds Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow always and always now and forever more will find the right direction.

John

Do Good Deeds yesterday!

Do Good Deeds today!

Do Good Deeds tomorrow!

May the Lord God and Jesus Christ Guide and Protect us always to Heaven, Amen

John Rooney

Thanks for your reply,I have read all this but wanted to get the word out to many people that still thinkthe word (rapture ) is an actual word in the bible

Thank you for your answer. I have read this before but some people seam to believe the word RAPTURE is really in the bible.People actually believe the actual word appears in the bible--just wanted to set some readers straight.

The Bible teaches on: The Day of the Lord; also named, Caught Up in the Clouds. Just enter any of those in the top Search Box.

Also, Thief in the Night, in the Clouds.

Rapture is a state or experience of being carried away. The English word comes from a Latin word, rapio, which means to seize or snatch in relation to an ecstasy of spirit or the actual removal from one place to another. In other words, it means to be carried away in spirit or in body. The Rapture of the church means the carrying away of the church from earth to heaven.

The Greek word from this term "rapture" is derived appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated "caught up." The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Elsewhere it is used to describe how the Spirit caught up Philip near Gaza and brought him to Caesarea ( Acts 8:39) and to describe Paul's experience of being caught up into the third heaven ( 2 Cor. 12:2-4). Thus there can be no doubt that the word is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 to indicate the actual removal of people from earth to heaven.

It is commonly asserted that the word rapture doesn't appear in the Bible, and this absence is held forth as evidence that the teaching of the rapture is a falsehood. But this claim is untrue. The word rapture does appear in the Bible. It appears in the exact same way that words like angel and apostle appear in the Bible. he word rapture is simply the anglicized form of the Greek word (harpaz) that appears in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 in the original text.

To begin with, the English word rapture is derived from the Latin participle raptus from the verb rapio. And Latin rapio and Greek (harpaz) are cognates - they are the same word.Don't be fooled by the superficial differences between Latin rapio and Greek harpaz. The - (-az) on the end of (harpaz) is not part of the shared stem but a common Koine Greek verb ending.

1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 is one place you will find it. But, you will not find the word "rapture" in your English Bible. The word rapture comes from the Latin word Raptus. The original language (Greek) uses the word harpadzo which is basically the same thing. So whether you use the word rapture, raptus, or harpadzo, they all mean the same thing, to be "caught up" or seized by force. And that is what is found in 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4.

Try Thessalonians Book 1 Chapter 4

Both the tribe of Dan & the tribe pertaining to Ephraim (son of Joseph) are missing from the list in Revelation 7:4-8. There is no certainty why these names are missing, with the tribes of Joseph & Manasseh being reflected instead. The general reason given is that according to Judges 18:30-31, Dan went into idol worship, as also Ephraim, & they had failed to repent & return to the worship of the true God. Even though they would have continued to survive (i.e. not being wiped out), their idolatrous practises caused God to isolate & remove them entirely.

I like this book it is interesting I like how God is going to wipe away our tears

1- Are these the same people from Revelation 7:15-17

2- And, are these people only Jews? Or both Jews and gentiles?

My pastor said he believes the 2 witnesses and the 144 thousand will only be preaching to the Jews on earth at that time, but what i have read and what you tell me make much more sense

Hosea 14:5

"I will be as the dew unto Israel: he shall grow as the lily, and cast forth his roots as Lebanon."



1 Thessalonians 2:10

"Ye are witnesses, and God also, how holily and justly and unblameably we behaved ourselves among you that believe:"

HOLILY

3 1/2 years: he's setting things in place.

Final 3 1/2 years all hell and mass world murders start.

I have a book by Arthur E Bloomfield: title is How To Recognize Antichrist. It's a good source of timing information. His book, Before the Last Battle is a good one too.

It helps with understanding some of the Book of Daniel.

AbeBooks has older books. Cheap.

How soon after the rapture, does the anti Christ

show up? Days months? I don't think it will be long.

Revelation 14:1

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb (Jesus) stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:4

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Revelation 14:3

And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Some of my favorites:

John chapter 16 is Jesus preparing his disciples for difficulty, ending with "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." (verse 33).

Acts 14:22 is an exhortation to continue in the faith through tribulation.

Romans chapter 8 is Paul's testimony on hardship and the believer's victory in Christ Jesus.

Revelation 2:8-11 is Jesus encouraging the suffering Church.

Revelation 7:9-17 shows us a great multitude come out of tribulation, redeemed by the blood of the lamb.

Matthew 19:27-28 The Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel. (How will the saints judge the 12 tribes? Because there will still be flesh and blood beings on earth when the Lord returns).

Revelation 21:1-3 (this is the Father coming down with New Jerusalem) John saw the holy city, New Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:10 John was shown the great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God.

Revelation 6:1-8; 12-17 Takes place during the tribulation on earth, but also speaks of Jesus AFTER the tribulation and the wrath he will bring on earth. (Reference Isaiah 2:10 and Isaiah speaks of this event in Revelation 6)

Revelation 7:1-4. 9; 13-14 the Lord will seal his servants in their foreheads. 144,000 of all the tribes of Israel. He will also save a "great multitude" which no man could number of "all" nations. (These are the people who survived the Great Tribulation, some who will have gotten converted during the tribulation)

Matthew 24:29-31 Immediately after the tribulation the Lord returns.

Revelation 19:11-14;19-21 Heaven will open, Jesus will show up on a white horse. He will judge and make war.

I know that's a lot. I hope that you will read through the scriptures on your own time.

But know this, there will only be a 3 and a half year actual tribulation period, and anyone who is alive during that time will have to try and survive it, unless they are in the place of safety on earth which the Lord will have reserved for his people...and that place is the Wilderness over in Jerusalem.

Richard,

Yes, there will be an opportunity for salvation during the Tribulation Period. Just like Mishael says, there will be evangelizing during that time. God's mercy and grace will extend during this period. And there will also be an opportunity for salvation during the 1,000-year millennial reign of Christ. That's how far God's grace extends.

During the first 3-1/2 years of the Tribulation Period, there will be two witnesses walking the streets of Jerusalem preaching the gospel. Many believe, as do I, that these two are Moses and Elijah. There will also be 144,000 Jews, 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Israel who will be preaching the gospel. Also, there will be an angel flying mid-heaven non-stop for 3-1/2 years warning people not to take the mark. So the whole world will be reached during that time. Those left behind will be without excuse. They will not be able to stand before God and say "we didn't know." However, they will have a chance for salvation.

If there were no chance for salvation during the Tribulation, why would God's plan be to send two witnesses, 144,000 Jews evangelizing, and an angel flying in mid-heaven warning people? If people cannot be saved during that time, what would be the purpose of preaching the gospel? It would serve no purpose. I mean, why preach a gospel message of salvation if it's impossible for people to be saved?

My ammo is the Love of God. The Lamb could have defended himself but for love he chose to give Life, even his own.

:)

The Holy Spirit will not be as active. There will be evangelizing by other people who missed the rapture.

The problem is the Antichrist getting his one world money system going; the Beast,

One world church and one world Leader: him. It's going to lead to receiving a Mark in your hand or forehead; to access buying power with your funds. I'd read Forbes. They are the ones pushing this one world calendar that's been in the news. Google that.

Bibles will be outlawed. Guns, I don't know. You'll have to Buy ammo now.

If you think all the current rioting is bad now; multiply that by 1000.

It was reported that in Israel someone re-did all the Palestinians names on maps, renamed to Israel properties. Genesis has the recorded deeds to the land. It is theirs.

No one has taken responsibility for that. It could be Russia & Syria that did that to further turn the world against Israel. Read JerusalemPost newspaper online; daily.

Prophesy teaches that USA will do something that will anger the whole world. That near the end, that Russia will be obliterated by God. China is working with Russia, Syria, Iran. Iran wants to take over Iraq. China is acting like they're the Antichrist but that's not true. Antichrist will most likely have Palestinian ancestry but deny it. He may not be married; doesn't have time for women?

Whatever happens it will happen quickly like it is now. Genesis 6:3, Luke 19:42, Galatians 6;16-17, 1 Peter 3:20; Psalms 78:39 to end. Read all that Bob.

Why would any of you neglect to be born again and risk going to hell, you and your family?? Can you watch yours or someone else's child be beheaded? If you don't take the Mark, you'll be beheaded. If you do take it, God will have to send you to hell.

What are you thinking? Can anyone hide from God and Antichrist? All this you see is going to be BURNED. 2 Peter 3:10-11. It'll make global warming look like a marshmallow roast. Super quakes, Wormwood Asteroid/star, super volcanoes!

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Hey Richard look at this

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

These died refusing to worship the beast and take the mark 666. They are with Christ and will live with him for the thousand year intro to the kingdom.

I would find another church if the pastor is that ignorant of scripture.