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Thanks Jimbob. Briefly, referring to your points in these two pages.

a. Acts 2:17-20. If we note from verse 8, the peoples of surrounding nations heard these men speak in their languages, which they had not learned. Then Peter gave them his message: 'what you're hearing is God pouring out His Spirit on men, to which Joel spoke about"in the last days, I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh". This was the beginning of the Last Days & it has been ever since Jesus left this Earth & sent out His promised Spirit. And "they shall prophesy" as well. But the culmination of these Last Days is what you read in verses 19 & 20. And yes, the Comforter was promised to abide with us (the blood-bought Church) forever. But what happens when the Church is no longer here - and that "forever" day has arrived?

b. Ephesians 1:13 & Revelation 7:3,4 are not the same sealing, by virtue of that act & what is imparted. In the former, it is clearly the Holy Spirit Who seals the believer "Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory (v14)". He marks His Own, He is the "earnest of our inheritance" (Gk. arrabon = an advance part-payment guaranteeing our security), "until the redemption of the purchased possession" (the Holy Spirit remains in us & secures the believer until the redemptive work at the Cross is fully realized, i.e. Christ indeed fully paid the ransom for our redemption - but completed redemption is only realized until the body is returned back to our Redeemer: Romans 8:22,23).

In the Revelation 7:3,4 account, we are not told what the seal is & how it's applied; at least it seems to be a forehead mark (the Lord's imprint, unlike the false Christ's signature). If one should read this mark to be the Holy Spirit on their foreheads or His indwelling that results in an outward marking, then I have no other comment. All I can glean is that the world is now devoid of the Spirit's Presence & Work.

Hello

how many Christians will be saved during the rapture ? Read Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

how do u turn ur life to Jesus? By acknowledging and confessing to the Lord that we are sinners in need of his salvation. Inviting him into our lives asking him to take over Nothing fancy nothing complicated

1 John 1:9

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Romans 10:9 if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved

BUT KNOW THIS once you make that confession of repentance there's a great celebration in heaven

Jesus said, "I tell you, there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents" ( Luke 15:10)

Praise the Lord I pray the Lord your strength and guidance that he bless you and bring people around you that are after his own heart. God bless

In Genesis, God said Let Us Create Man in Our Own Image. All Things we're Created by God for His Pleasure. So Who is Us ? It's the Father, The Son and The Holy Ghost. In Matthew 3 :: When John the Baptist Baptized Jesus , The Son of God . The Bible says The Holy Ghost like in Acts 2 as Cloven Toungues of Fire is Literally Visible. And He , The Holy Ghost Descends on Jesus like a Dove. As this is Occurring, The Father Speaks from Heaven and says,, This is My Beloved Son in Whom I am Well Pleased. It's Impossible to Argue but Yet People will that All 3 Members of The Godhead are Present. And Each 1 is Completely Separate from the Other. Why is that ? Because They are 3 Separate in the Godhead , but Each is God. I had a Jesus Only Doctrine tell Me one Time when I Brought these Scriptures to His Attention. His Response was " Don't You think God could Stand on Earth and Talk to Himself from Heaven.. " And I said " Sure He could, but why would God Use Trickery and Deception. When He is not a Man to Lie or Repent. " I have never Understood the Conflict in Something that is a ABC Type Thing, a Fundamental to Learn Teaching. Why Man has went back and Forth, Wrote Books, Formed Entire Doctrines over Scripture a Child could Grasp. None of this is going to Disqualify Anyone from Heaven. But why are We Straining at Gnats and Swallowing Camels. Jesus is Coming like a Thief in the Night. But there is Good News, So We Must Always Remember that All Who Call Upon The Name of The Lord Shall be Saved. Amen.

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And shall wipe all the tears from their eyes.

If you believe in the rapture, please tell me how that happens. Is your group really first, even before the 1st resurrection? Please help me understand the timing of your rapture, how it fits in.

God is the God of all, a fair God, and at the appointed time everyone will receive the portion they deserve to make them whole. It has to be by the book. Modern day Israel is revealed in Revelation 7:9. That indicates God's mission to spread Israel's seed to the 4 corners of the earth is complete. Israel is everyone and everyone is Israel.

Alex,

I'm going to shift your post a little and see if this interests you. Speaking of Revelation 12, specifically Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14: The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints ( Revelation 7:4), BOTH are protected for a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Only the saints are officially sealed. It is a continued allegory describing the saints vs the man of sin, end-times, etc.

The saints are so unbelievably important, yet underrated. They are the first fruits, set apart from the 5.5 billion day of the Lord survivors. The saints are the ONLY first resurrection participants, tasked with healing people, the earth and administering to Christ. The rest sleep till called at the second resurrection.

The saints are featured in 7 Chapters of Revelation, hidden in allegory, and referred to. People then add characters to the narrative and always miss that the sealed saints in Revelation 7:4, before the sixth trumpet, are the same saints in heaven at the seventh trumpet, Revelation 7:9-14. "They came out of the great tribulation". AND this occurs at the exact same time God calls up the two witnesses, Revelation 11:12. The saints and the two witnesses are one and the same!!! You will not see the saints without the witnesses from BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah). Don't get the "two men" allegory wrong. Forget about Moses and Elijah or Enoch, that is a tired excuse for filling in the answer with anything that will suffice. After Solomon, Israel was split in two nations, hence, two men. The two candlesticks and two olive trees that stand before God are God's pride and joy, the whole house of Israel.

Dear Adam , and T.Levis

I've read where you both stand , but It is from experience that when this question is asked, the intention is to use it as support and or argument (for) the pre-trib rapture , either for now or in future discussions . As we , and they know , Either word is not in scripture , therefore claiming the method used for support of the Trinity (The Godhead) which is a Triune God , for the rapture . where scripture gets twisted .

T. Levis

I do not think that describing the Godhead as a Trinity isolates believers. I think that it clarifies what Scripture speaks about the Godhead. Adam has often given many Scriptures that speak to the Godhead as a Trinity or Persons who is One in His Being. There is nothing about what Adm has said that necessarily isolates people.

The Reformers you mentioned upheld the Scriptural teaching of the Godhead being a Trinity.

I recognize that there are some who adhere to the Oneness doctrine you are speaking of, but the vast majority of Christians now and through the centuries attest to believing that the Godhead is a Trinity. I believe it was Tertullian who first use the term "Trinity".

Paul mentions often to those he is addressing in his epistles concerning holding to doctrines that were taught by the apostles. So, there is nothing wrong with speaking about doctrinal teachings that can be supported by Scripture.

Hi Estelle, the trinity (or Godhead) is mentioned in verses like 1 John 5:7.

The Godhead is mentioned in verses like Romans 1:20.

The KJV doesn't have the word trinity, but "Godhead" and uses 'we' and 'us' plural in places even though God is one. Galatians 3:20

Some unfortunately use this as a weapon to attack who God is, so its worth noting that the word Bible isn't in the Bible either, but that doesn't mean it isn't one. The KJV doesn't have the word demons, but that doesn't mean there's no demons. It doesn't have "labor", "encouragement", "suicide", "anxiety", "honor", but they are still real and true subjects discussed within. So for any onlookers with questionable motives in their heart, this busts one of the most common strawman arguments dishonestly made against God.

God bless.

Is the word Trinity in the Bible??? If so please tell me where that scripture is

Ezekiel 44, Ezekiel 44:2-3, possibly the prophecy for Luke 19:28-48, Luke 21, notice Luke 21:37, Matthew 21, Mark 11, Notice Mark 11:16, Mark 12 Jesus still in the Temple Mark 13, notice Mark 13:1,3, as noted Jesus went & left, the same direction. John 10:23,

Ezekiel 44:16,17, Revelation 7 note Revelation 7:14,15,

Ezekiel 47:1-10, healing living water, John 7:38, John 4:11,13,14, Matthew 9:35, Fishers, Ezekiel 47:9,10, Jeremiah 16:16, Matthew 4:19, Mark 1:17,

If you look at Ezekiel 1:1,2,3, they were already going into captivity as Prophesied by Isaiah 39:1-7, 2Kings 24:15, Jeremiah 52:31, before Daniel, Ezra & Nehemiah before the return & rebuilding, Ezekiel 48 - end; might have been the divine blueprint for the temple that was rebuilt before Jesus was born

Matthew 1:17

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Going back to Genesis 49, note Genesis 49:17, also Genesis 48, note Genesis 48:5,6

Deuteronomy 29:18-21, Judges 1:34, Judges 5:17, Judges 18, 1Kings 12:30, 2Kings 10:29, Amos 8:14,

Revelation 7:9-17,

Hope this helps explain for understanding

what about the tribe of Dan

The subsequent verses clearly indicate that this group is taken out of great Tribulation. Many would argue that the 144,000 were witnessing to this great multitude; and this is the result of the world's greatest evangelistic outreach.

I; however question that in light of verse 14 of the same chapter. This indicates that their robes were washed and made white in the blood of the Lamb. It would seem that there is a link here to those who had stained garments such as Sardis church in Rev. 3:4; with a further admonition in the next verse of being victorious. In light of those who are in white and unwrinkled garments in Ephesians 5:27 and even the admonition of Ecclesiastes 9:8 as well as possibly the parable of the wise virgins it seems like a strong possibility that in the first part of the Tribulation some may be left behind who are currently compromised and worldly. In other words; that would make the Rapture a reward issue; rather than merely a salvation one.

At some point of course there will be those who are martyred for not taking the mark of the Beast. That appears to be after this event if we take things mainly chronologically. Even in that case; we need to remember by the sixth seal everyone is aware of God an Christ and they go to the caves to hide from their presence ( Rev. 6:15). That is a far cry from when eventually they fight against Christ at Armageddon. My point though is that there will be no need to preach as we do now that Christ is Lord but a declaration of judgment ensuing; and the Kingdom arriving on earth will be proclaimed. We see this also once angels and apparently an eagle go throughout the earth admonishing man to worship the Creator; not to take the mark; and the woes are given to Babylon. ( Rev. 14:6-12). Notice that at the end of this passage those who are about to die are mentioned; thus bolstering another group of martyrs after the one mentioned in Revelation 7.

Not worth arguing about; let us all be Bereans.

Agape

Who are the great multitude in Verse 9?

Yeah, that's where you lost me bro, Christ comes to establish God's Kingdom Here on Earth, no one goes anywhere, we are CHANGED when He returns.

All who are alive and remain (will) go through the tribulation, only difference is those who have the seal of God will not be touched by the Locust army,,, it is commanded by God

Who are these locusts? God's Army

Joel 2:25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, My great army which I sent among you.

Joel 2:23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

Revelation 7:2 - And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Revelation 9:3 - 7 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

9:4 And it was commanded them{locust army} that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; (but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.)

Perhaps referring to: Revelation 5, 2Timothy 2:12, Revelation 20:6, context Revelation 20, Revelation 7:15, John 14:2,3,

Hopefully these are helpful

Love the revelation as taught by hal lindsey/ revelation

Am going to have to make this short, much can be said on this subject, been a long day.

We are saved by Grace alone, through faith, but what is faith without works? It's dead, it is dead faith.

Our works is the only thing we take with us, they make up our Fine Linens, Our robes, It's one of the finest rewards ,, least ye walk naked in shame, throughout the millennium.

Revelation 19:8

Revelation 7:13

Revelation 7:14

Sorry I would like to do this more Justice, but we earn our fine linens, and robes through our works.

"Christ will come like a thief in the night" and take it, if we are not ready and watching 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ---- 2 Peter 3:10...

Read Matthew 24 starting at about v42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

If you're not ready, and are caught backsliding, all your works can be stolen from you, like a thief in the night. Be ready always, be watching always.

Commentary Rev. 7

Chronologically; it would seem that this would be an event immediately after the seal judgments. It is entirely possible even with some overlap after the Tribulation begins that the 144,000 had already begun their ministry. We go then immediately to the great multitude of those in verse 9 and 10; and repeated in verses 13-14. This would appear to be resurrected bodies which would mean this signifies the Second Coming when they finally appear. What is not clear is whether these 144,000 were actually involved at all in witnessing to the multitude; we notice the absence of any mention of it here. What we do know is that they are given a seal of being "untouchable" much as Elijah was and will be along with the other prophet giving witness in Jerusalem at that time. The trumpet judgments destroying the earth will not affect them (verse 3). This reminds us of the angel in Ezekiel 9:4 where those who would decry the evil would be marked and preserved from destruction (also something like those who had blood on their door before the Exodus).

Clearly Antichrist will mock this with his OWN mark either then or right after the 2 prophets are killed and resurrected. He also will imitate the works of Elijah bringing fire down from heaven; no doubt to authenticate his "divinity" and also to imitate what the 2 Prophets did.

It seems the 144,000 may be translated; there is no doubt that they will be persecuted which could explain Matthew 25:36-40. Those who help or don't help the Jews in prison at that time will be judged accordingly as to being saved or not; as once again we have to remember the sixth seal will mean any declaration of Jesus being Lord is moot; as all will KNOW that God and the Son are in heaven and starting wrath. If the wicked know certainly the righteous will. This is more like Christ when he went to free the captives in sheol; it is a declaration of victory over the grave to those imprisoned there; man; angels and nephilim.

Verses 1 through 5 relate to Sardis; with a rather vague condemnation of works not "perfect" as stated in verse 2. Clearly; sin was involved as the "garments were not stained" who would walk before Christ in white because they are worthy as verse 4 indicates. This would seem to be a subset of those who eventually will overcome as verse 5 indicates. Verse 3 shows that those who don't watch and wait as Luke 21:36 exhorts will have Christ return (probably the rapture) when they don't expect. It would seem that those would be the ones left behind; but still are saved as we note that they have garments but they are defiled. Those unsaved wouldn't be clothed in any spiritual garments. This is of course controversial; but it seems that few will wake up in time for the rapture. The alternative to that is that they will stand at the Bema seat and suffer loss ( 1 Cor. 3:15). One thing is for sure; those who do believe will be martyred and this in large part proves their faithfulness. Some are given white robes in Revelation 6:11; Revelation 7:14 seems to indicate robes made white by martyrdom; however. The question whether robes and garments are the same could be asked. Perhaps the best thing that can be taken here is that we must die to self daily and be ready for martyrdom; which comes largely from not fearing death. Only through the Spirit can we do this! We do well also to heed to ongoing persecutions and pray daily for our brethren.

Next the Philadelphia church and Laodiceans are brought up as polar opposites in many ways.

The theme of "patience" in verse 10 is repeated throughout many N.T. and even O.T. passages as characteristic of those faitfully waiting for the Lord's return going about their business. ( Luke 19:13). Overcomers once again even in this church are promised a future blessing (in this case to sit with Him in His throne). Spuing them out certainly once again sounds like being cast into the Tribulation. Let the reader pray and decide.

Continued:

Yehshua also said Revelation 6:11

"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."

so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.

only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.

Revelation 7:3

"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits

i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11

I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population

Jeremiah 31:34

"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.

Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?

WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9

"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."

the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness

you need to understand Zechariah 4:14

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Once the 144,000 are sealed with the seal of God, the 5th trump sounds, Satan's fallen angels are here.

God's very elect are the 7,000 from all races, Acts 2

Romans 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

What did God tell Satan & his angels, Touch not My Elect, that have the seal of God in their forehead

Revelation 9:4 And it was commanded them (Satan & his angels) that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

Those who have the seal of God(Sealed)during the Hour of Temptation will not be touched by this wrath, which IS the wrath of God.

All who are alive and remain go through the tribulation, question is DO YOU HAVE THE SEAL???

behold the Lamb of calvary I saw my JESUS with a nail in his hand and they take him to the

toom and they berried him and he rose again upon the third day,

GOD shall wipe away all tears from our eyes thanks your son LORD,

THANKS FOR THE BLOOD OF JESUS that washes me, AMEN

Anytime the four winds are mentioned in the Bible it is referring to "The Great Tribulation" The Time of Jacobs Trouble.

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Matthew is prophesying how God Gathers His Elect (together) out of the great tribulation for the sign of the 2nd coming is near Christ is near.

Then we are told to learn the parable of the fig tree in v32

Now learn the parable of the fig tree; When its branch shall have become already tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye get to know that summer is nigh: (Christ's return is near)

God uses the life cycle of the fig tree to give us an indication of when to expect the coming of the 2nd advent.

Jeremiah 49:36

And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.

Revelation 7:1

And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Zechariah 2:6

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD.

Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mark 13:27

And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

In Job 1 we see that Satan can cause destructive winds that kill people, animals and communities.

Also that God owns the storehouses of Rain, Snow and Hail.

Matthew 24,

North, South East & West, examples: Ezekiel 37:9, Revelation 7:1, Job 37:9,

East Wind; Genesis 41:6,23,27, Exodus 10:13, Exodus 14:21, Psalms 48:7, Isaiah 27:8, Jeremiah 18:17, Ezekiel 17:10, Ezekiel 19:12, Hosea 13:15,

West Wind; Exodus 10:19,

North Wind; Proverbs 25:23,

South Wind, Job 37:17, Luke 12:55, Acts 27:13,

Psalms 78:26, Ecclesiastes 1:6, Jeremiah 10:13, Jeremiah 51:16, Amos 4:13,

Interestingly in Michigan the Northern winds blow, it feels like bitter coldness inside, freezing your nose inside like icicles, even through your clothing layers. In Southern California when the " Santa Ana winds" dry & hot, dusty, both very district & unpleasant. The winds that blow East from the Pacific Ocean even summertime bring cool, unpleasant chills as early evening approaches. Etc. (In some personal observation of distinct winds.)

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Here are a few scriptures that should help show truth

Galatians 1:8,9, no, Angel given another gospel not ok.

Revelation 14, 144,000, seem to be clearly defined in: Revelation 7:3-4, broken down by tribe: Revelation 7:3-8,

Not just the Laterdaysaints: Revelation 7:9-17,

don't add to word, or take away from: Revelation 22:18,19

Matthew 25:31-46,

Women prophets Judges 4:4, Luke 2:36, Exodus 15:20,

Acts 4:12, John 14:6, John 3:16,

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Read some of Nelson Walters teachings on YouTube.

Type: Nelson Walters 144,000

I like his stuff. I've been waiting for someone to put out videos on the 10 nations. He has. And it includes Turkey which is the one, no one wants to discuss.

Young Man:

God's word's:

Romans 3:3 For WHAT IF some do not believe? shall there UNBELIEF make the faith of God without effect?

What if, is a QUESTION.

If you study God's Word you will find God asking thousand of QUESTION.

Those scriptures end with a QUESTION MARK.

Go look, God wants you to know the answers to those QUESTIONS.

God Bless YOU.