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How was the world of people created if Adam and Eve were the only man and woman, did their children procreate with their siblings. Again also when the world was destroyed with Noah.

Greetings in Christ, Wesley Masterson

From everything you wrote in the first paragraph of your post, the most important is linked with the millennium itself, the other things although they are important too, however they are secondary.

One of the most important event to happen in the beginning of the millennium is to cast down Satan from this heavenly environment in Christ (where we still are in in the present time) to the earth. Immediately thereafter, cast him into the bottomless pit that he should deceive the nations no more - Revelation 20:v.1-3.

I think that you and all here know that the Word of GOD reveals that on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years ( Psalm 90:4; II Pet.3:8) so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

You and all here know that GOD sent JESUS in the TURN of the fourth Day to the fifth Day, or around 4,000 years after Adam. GOD was still working, as JESUS said: John 5:v.17 - My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. And from JESUS until the current time passad more two days or two thousand years, if we call the Christian calendar we would say that have passad 2,021 years. Therefore, from Adam until today already passad around 6,000 years.

That said, we must discern and understand that we are already living in the beginning of the seventh and last millennium, the millennium of Christ, or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. In other words, we are living in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium. Honestly, in my vision, we are in the last decade of the Devil's world -2020 to 2030-, the week 70th of Daniel 9:v.27 (7 years) is within of this current decade, the times of the END arrived.

What I tell you I tell to all: Get ready

Brother Forest, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Do you think Christ feels like a ROBOT.

Do you think his Father feels unloved because he CAUSES Jesus to love him.

Jesus said HIMSELF; of myself I CAN DO NOTHING. ( John 5:30) ( John 18:28)

Jesus said HIMSELF; ye (man) can do NOTHING YOURSELF ( John 15:5)

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who WORKETH in you BOTH TO WILL and DO of HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

We make thousands of choices each day; but every choice has a CAUSE that made us make that choice, and that CAUSE is God.

God CANNOT be Sovereign and man have FREE WILL.

Ephesians 1:11 ...being predestined (everything is chosen for you) according to the PURPOSE of HIM (GOD) who WORKETH ALL THINGS after the counsel of HIS WILL.

FREE WILL is the wisdom of this world that God calls FOOLISHNESS.

It is really easy to rest IN CHRIST when you BELIEVE HIS WORDS.

Ephesians 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together IN ONE ALL THINGS IN CHRIST, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, IN HIM.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be Saviour of the world.

You cannot be Saviour of the world without SAVING THE WORLD.

You're right Adam.

If a person truly believes he will bare fruit.

The Holyspirit will sanctify,

Romans 6:1-4 . What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Romans 8:11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

James 2:20. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

John 15:5. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Matthew 7:17-20. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

2 Peter 1:20-21. Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Isaiah 28:9-10. Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

The Same message is spread throughout the bible. a little here, and a little there.

All scripture should harmonize.

Amen.

Brother James, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

No one was SAVED in the Old Testament.

If they could have been made PERFECT; there was no need of Jesus coming and giving his life so we and those in the Old Testament could be made PERFECT.

Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

I have got a question, am not asking out of carnality,but to be edified.

QN: The bible says in the famous scripture of John 3:16 that Jesus is the only begotten son of God.It is repeated also in John 1:18 and 1 John 4:9.I agree that Jesus is the begotten son of God,but at the same time even us who have believed in Him we have been begotten of God and we are sons ( John 1:12).So, is Jesus the only begotten son of God?

Will be grateful to hear from you.

Again, I am not challenging the gospel, I am just a believer who needs to be edified.

Benon.

S Spenser ,im sorry to say that my conscience will not allow me to keep silent on this matter , i believe you are greatly in error and i have to say so , i have no idea why you would have such an aversion to baptism but i hope that you will read all the scriptures i offered ,there are plenty of others i could have given you , i will leave you with this last one : 1st Peter ch3 v18-21 , i will not discuss this with you again as i shall not read any more of your posts , with all my heart i hope you will recognise your error and turn from it soon .

I'd estimate that 90% of all differences of opinion here stems from "cherry picking" scripture.

1. Person A says 'I believe in scripture A'.

2. Person B says 'yah, but what about scripture B?!'

3. Person A says 'yah, but what about scripture A?!'

What is needed is ALL the verses in context: A+B+C+D+E... to all be considered for a full understanding + seeking God through prayer and asking for understanding.

Example:

Does the Bible says believe and you're saved. Yes. Is that ALL it says? No. Do these contradict? No. Genuinely believing assumes action is associated with such a belief- otherwise, it suggests lack of belief.

James 2:18-19 - Even demons believe. Ok, so maybe we should do just the "bare minimum" more than believe, but no more, because then it would be "legalism" (some actually believe this). Satan believed too and was cast out of heaven. Hitler probably believed then later murdered 6 million Jews.

Person A is yah, just FAITH only

Person B is yah, but WORKS too!

Person A is no, just FAITH!

James 2:18 says it's BOTH! A genuine Christian does both, because a genuine Christian will bear fruit and do good works. Good works is GOOD, not bad as some falsely assume. Love your neighbor as yourself is 2nd greatest commandment and showing love is a good work. It also says we need to confess. We can call that scripture C in this case. 1 John 1:9. We'll find more relevant scripture too if we keep reading the Word.

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Thanks for your reply and I do agree that God gave mankind the freedom to choose how he wants to live his life as he sojourns here on earth but his eternal inheritance is by God's sovereign will without the help of mankind.

God looked down from heaven on the children of men to see what choices that they had made, and saw that none did seek him, no, not one - Ps 53:2 God by his foreknowledge knew that they would not choose to worship him and that is why he choose a large portion of of them to be cleansed from their sins by his Son and adopted them as his children.

We, as a society, still use this example when we adopt children. First the father chooses a child (the child did not choose the father). He then paid all of the adoption fees (as Christ did on the cross) and the last step of the adoption is when the father brings them home. The last step of our adoption by our heavenly Father is when he comes back and gathers his elect (chosen) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other - Matt 24:31.

Sacha,

You gave a lot of Scripture, But unfortunately you've misinterpreted all of them.

However you're right about one thing, " You're not going to convince me about anything, And I'm not sure that's your intentions.

I'm not going to go through all of these scriptures but I will dig into the first one.

Mark 16:16. HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED.

( When and how was he or she baptized in the first half of this verse?)

Answer is: When they believed!! Only the Holyspirit can put you into the body of Christ! Not water.

1 Corinthians 15:45. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a QUICKENING SPIRIT. ( Life giving spirit.)

Can you get water baptism and NOT BELIEVE AND BE SAVED? No.

Here's the second part of this scripture

"but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Does it say but he that is not baptized shall be damned? No.

Now parallel that with these well known verse by the Lord.

John 3:16-18. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he hath not BELIEVED in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

" THIS PARALLELS WITH WHAT LORD IS SAYING IN MARK 16:16. ( but he that believeth not shall be damned.)

John says himself that he baptized with water BUT he shall baptize you with the Holyspirit.

Dawn-------people are saved today as they were in old testament-------in ot times animal blood was symbolic of christ coming in end times and shedding his blood for those who repent as they did in ot times. everybody read your kjv bible that that god wrote through man. read, read, read.

Do we make void the law by faith,God forbid we establish the law . As them that are born of God cannot Sin,simply b/c we birth CHRIST IN OUR HEARTS, Sin is the transgression of the law. But them that are born of God cannot sin and thats how he will fulfill the law by the new birth ,The woman giving birth in Rev 12 cannot sin simply b/c she has birth Christ in her LIFE, WE ARE THAT WOMAN. Scripture says the woman keeps the commandments b/c she has the testimony of Jesus . His seed is his testimony . Thus the law is established by faith. Not i that live but Christ that lives in me . Thus we cannot Sin if we are born of God. There is a baby Christ in our near future, Thats y he is saying unless ya receive the kingdom of God as a LIL CHILD you will in no wise enter there in, A lil Child implies A BIRTH. Which is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF PROMISE. As that which is born of the spirit is spirit is the H.G. The Child of PROMISE . Behold i send the Promise of MY FATHER UPON YOU WHICH WAS BAPTISM OF THE H.G. and Fire. That lil Child that is gonna come in his name. The father will send the H.G. in my name. The woman in Rev 12 is giving birth to the Child of PROMISE THE H.G. My lil CHILDREN OF WHOM I TRAVAIL IN BIRTH AGAIN TILL CHRIST IS FORMED IN YOU. Our fruit unto God. But there is gonna be war in heaven . But the manchild WHICH IS THE H.G.will rule ALL NATIONS.

Baptized into your local New Testament Baptist Church.

Hi Forest,

If God wanted to create robots that acted perfectly according to a program and be in heaven He could have done that.

He instead made mankind with freewill to choose good or evil. Earth tests our character and our choices- if we will love God, love others, and be a good neighbor.... or not. Most people choose to follow satan and evil which I believe is for selfish reasons, so most people will also be punished and go to hell.

Imagine the difference of hearing 'I love you' from your daughter who voluntarily chose to say that vs. someone forced to say that. One is meaningful and the other isn't. Maybe God loves us enough to let us choose for ourselves who we will follow. God or satan.

Rudy Mitzer ,im sure you can see the difference between being unable to get baptized through no fault of your own and rejecting being baptized even though you could be and also encouraging others not to be baptized even though they are able to be and also ignoring and disregarding what it says in the Bible .

The word Sabbath can be found over 100 times in the OT and over 50 times in the NT. The Sabbath (sabbat) is the seventh day of the week, on which we are to "rest," in remembrance that God created the universe in six days and "rested" on the seventh day ( Genesis 2:2). The word "rest" (katapausis) refers to resting both the body and the spirit. We renew our body by resting it and not working, and we renew the spirit by spending time with God's Word, with God, and by worshipping God.

When

In Genesis, God numbers the days 1, 2, 3, 4, etc., through the month. Nowhere in the Bible are the days ever given names. Naming days was an early pagan practice. The Bible only says that ***Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the Sabbath of rest*** holy to the Lord ( Exodus 31:15). The Sabbath can be any seventh day.

Scriptures such as Romans 14:5-6 and Colossians 2:16 give Christians freedom to observe a special day. God requires that we have a Sabbath day of rest. He also desires that we worship and serve Him continually, every day, not just on the Sabbath.

Pray without ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you ( 1 Thessalonians 5:17-18).

We are commanded to Honor the Sabbath

For somewhere he has spoken about the seventh day in these words: "On the seventh day God rested from all his works." There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his. Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience ( Hebrews 4:4, 9-11).

We are commanded to honor God and the Sabbath, but the Sabbath CAN BE ANY DAY of the week we pick to meet together. But the Sabbath is not the only day to worship the Lord. We should be worshipping the Lord DAILY.

Comment: WORK 6 days and REST on the 7th. If it falls on a week day, you rest on the next day.

The old testament saints were born again in the same manner of those after Jesus died on the cross which includes God putting the Holy Spirit within the person - Isaiah 63:11.

I can only imagine what Jesus, Elijah and Moses were talking about. How cool is that. The Word talks about being healed by even the shadow of an apostle. I believe Lord, please help my unbelief.

I don't really know my ancestry. My Dads side, a lot of preachers (Cajun). My Moms side, was peppered with the occult influence. I loved my Dad. He was gentle, kind, hardworking and taught us the Golden Rule. God filled my life at age 5. Showed me every day what He was really like. It carried me through that really dark time of my life. I knew God was good. Could be relied upon no matter what happens. Satan has power to cause all kinds of storms (Job), but God is on our side. To get through it. Learn from it. Never give up or cower in the dirt, again. Don't listen to ACCUSING Advise. Hear God only, through His Son; Jesus. Stand within the peace and calm in the eye of the storms. Stand solidly on the Word of the Bible. Heresy is as bad as Occult. Let's rely on the Lord of this Bible and seek the Holy Spirit with all your strength.

See, in Job and other places, that Satan is an Adversary of Gods Word. He studies us intently, looking for the weak places, the hidden compromises, the secret fears. If we do not fill in the gaps, build up the hedges and stand guard through our prayer lives: he will sneak back in to shake our faith in Jesus.

We all sin. We are all being tempted every day. We do not have to cower to the "Goliaths" out there. Find the shepherd boy within your own heart. Fill your hand with the "stones" (scriptures that have taken root in the good soil of your heart)...kill those giants that oppose you.

David was tending sheep. Lots of quality time alone with God. Learning through practice, the HEART of God. It is all through the Bible! Every page. He picked us to conquer and destroy our invisible enemies (Eph.6)

We don't just save our own skins. God wants us to fight on our knees for others who are weak.

We can fight for this nation while we are still here.

Father in heaven, revive intercessory prayer inside the Churches. Teach us WAR, on our knees. We are His Church. ONE BODY.

If God wants to eternally save all mankind, and he has control over the armies of heaven and the inhabitants of the earth, and none can stay his hand. Daniel 4:35. why does the bible teach us that all of mankind will not go to heaven?

Lady Sacha,

It is proper tradition to be baptized, John the Baptist offered it, but what about the people who by no fault of their own didn't get baptized? Surely God would look in their hearts and baptize them with the Holy Ghost. God wants us circumcised inwardly, not of the flesh.

I wonder how many capital criminals behind bars were baptized?

Dawn, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

The people in the Old Testament couldn't have eternal life upon the death of their flesh; they had to lay in the grave and wait for Christ resurrection.

The gospel was preached to them of that coming PROMISE (Christ in you, perfection, eternal life).

Those that DIED IN FAITH was rewarded with that promise when Christ was resurrected.

Hebrews 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the PROMISE.

Hebrews 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us (we would made perfect never seeing death), that they without should be made perfect.

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves AFTER HIS RESURRECTION, and went into the Holy city (New Jerusalem), and were seen by many.

Where are the Amalekites now? Who are they now and what country/place can we locate them?

Brother Alex may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

Since we become SEED what is your BELIEF on what we will be doing when we depart this body of flesh.

I BELIEVE THE SEED will' in the ages to come, multiply itself so all become SEED. Is this your belief also.

This is one of the many passages that predict the coming of our Savior, but in this case the precise number of years before his earthly appearance is also predicted 400 years, the exact time that elapses for 10 years before returning to Jerusalem ( when this prophecy is said) that is 30 years after the exile in Babylon. Ezra returns to Jerusalem in 450BC. according to the examination of some texts, but in broad terms we are there. He then mentions the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, what else do the Jews want to believe.

1 Corinthians Chapter 12:13

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, ..."

does this one body include members from different churches? and those have already passed away?

Dear Shannon,

I would strongly suggest just reading the Bible with an open heart and mind and pray to God for wisdom and understanding. Seek and ye shall find. I think God wants to be sought so we may know Him.

I would also be very cautious of everything man says and would pretty much disregard this. If you just stay in God's Word and keep at it truly seeking Him and following Jesus, I think you're on the right track.

Let me share you a template response that anytime I hear sets off alarms to me. "You don't really don't have to _____" for example "You don't have to do __________ to be saved." Just fill in the blank, it almost doesn't even matter what people say when I hear this blank filled, because it just seems to all fit the same format. If I imagine a serpent whispering it to me and it makes it even more scary. If the Bible says one thing, but man says you don't have to do it, I tend to not believe man. I also question the motives: what is the real underlying reason for not wanting to do this or that?

Is the goal to do the absolute bare minimum as a Christian in attempt to 'get in' to heaven? If so, that person's motives are seriously in question. I don't think God wants your bare minimum effort, but all of you. The greatest commandment is to love God with ALL your heart and ALL your soul. Is someone truly doing that if they're always looking to do only the bare minimum luke-warm effort? Maybe their heart isn't even on following Jesus, but the sin of the world as his idol, but assumes he's a saved Christian because someone told him that once. I think for that person this verse is applicable: Matthew 10:28

God bless....

Testimony of Baptisms

"I had a salvation experience sorta like apostle Paul. Except I was interpreting a natal Astrology chart I had made: on Yom Kippur."

Are you a bloodline Jew of Judah, or an Ashkenazim Jew for Jesus? I would love to hear about your ancestors too. Thank you.

S Spenser ,this is for you because you are a regular contributor on here and therefore in a position of responsibility and also for any one who does not belive that we neeed to be baptized ,i will start with Jesus words and finish with them ,if our Lord cannot convince you then i shant try any more ,pleeease read : Mark ch16 v16 ,Acts ch2 v38-41 ,ch8 v12-16 and v36 ,ch9 v18 ,ch10 v47&48 ,ch16 v15&33 ,ch18 v8 ,ch19 v3-5 and Acts ch22 v16 . Romans ch6 v3 ,1st Cor ch1 v16 ,ch12 v13 . Gal ch3 v27 and finally Matthew ch28 v19 .

Laura,

Do you know Earl? He said the same thing to Sissy about Ez 18:4, Small world.

Earl Bowman - in Reply

Sissy, may CHRIST IN US grace us with HIS wisdom and HIS understanding.

This body (soul) of flesh we now live in can never inherit the next life.

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine...... the soul that sinneth it shall die.

More should be discussed between the spirit and the soul.