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My dear friend the mark of the best is Sunday observance, however, individual who presently worship on Sunday, DO NOT have the mark of the beast. Individual receive the mark of the beast ONLY after Sunday observance has been set up by Law. You can read Revelation 14:9-12; 13:7; 17:6; 17:9

The mark in the forehead is the seal of God. His 7th day Sabbath. Be blessed. Other texts: Daniel 7: 23 - 25; 13: 1-6

There have been many throughout the years that have made claims that the RCC is the "false church" referenced in the bible.

While there is no direct evidence of this, there are many compelling theories.

I hold no ill will towards the RCC followers, however I will say that the RCC as an establishment has a questionable and dark past.

For an entity that is supposed to represent G_D's will on earth, I can't quite see how a history of oppression and systematic destruction of all who question or have a difference of opinion can be reconciled with his will.

I am not an expert on the subject, by any stretch of the imagination but even I can see they are at odds with G_D's true word.

Then again I have issues with organized religion as a whole. Anytime you take something pure and add human nature and money into the equation it gets corrupted.

Religion is no exception, Over the centuries it has been twisted and bastardized to fit whatever narrative man has needed it to in order to get other men to follow the "rules".

Whatever those "rules" were at that particular time period.

Fear has always been a great motivator, and there is no greater fear then going to hell for some people.

The RCC has the "Hell and damnation" market cornered, over the years they have become de-facto experts on using the fear of those to keep their followers in line.

Inventing a "devil" in order to do that wouldn't be out of line for them, but then again they are the only ones with the evidence and they aren't talking.

I digress, this is just my $0.02 so take it for what it's worth....or maybe we could ask Dan Brown for his expert opinion. (

The four beasts of revelations in John's visions, if my understanding is right were angels in their true forms similar to the way Enoch saw them.

If this is true, why does scripture refer to them as beasts and not angels?

Hello Dan. Thank you for your response.

Jesus himself was born under the Mosaic Law and, therefore, was required to keep the Mosaic Law. That is why he was circumcised on the eight day as per the Mosaic Law. Notice that in the following verse. Jesus was made (or born) under the law - the Mosaic Law.

Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"

As long as that Mosaic Law was in force, the Mosaic Law (the so-called Old Testament) was in force. Jesus therefore kept his Father's commandments of that Mosaic Law. But, the Holy Scriptures has said that God would set up a New Covenant that would not be like the Old Covenant. Notice...

Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:"

It was not the Apostle Paul who changed God's Law to his people - it was God himself as per Jeremiah 31:31. However, the Apostle Paul, writing under inspiration of God, gave the first-century Church the new directives or laws governing that New Covenant. He never instructed the Christian Churches of the first-century to keep the Mosaic Law such as circumcision or the sabbaths. In fact, he instructed them the complete opposite. Notice again...

Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

You cannot judge a Christian for not keeping the sabbath days - as per the New Covenant that has been set up between God and his present-day people - the Church of God.

I welcome your further thoughts, Dan. Good day.

Hi Barnum,

You stating "if you add to who Jesus Christ is then you create another Jesus, another gospel and another Spirit". That's pretty vague. Could you please be a little more decisive in what you mean?

Also as you basically condemn "if you add to Jesus Christ". What happens if you take away from Him?

What is this "new doctrine that is made by men and false"?

Thank you for your time.

Jesus nicely summarized the law in those 2 commandments.

You said Jesus put an end to (destroy) living by the law, but Jesus anticipated someone thinking this so he said Matthew 5:17-18 that he didn't come to destroy the law.

He also said to obey His commandments: John 14:15. So, one can conclude that if you don't obey His commandments then you don't love Jesus. If you don't love or follow Jesus, that person probably isn't a Christian (a Christ follower by definition).

For instance, if one thinks it's ok to go out and kill someone, Jesus says no, you can't do that. Romans 6:1-2, Hebrews 10:26.

God bless...

Dear George,

I don't believe most Christians think they are observing Sabbath on Sunday. I think very few minority would think Sunday is the Sabbath. A day of worship is not the same as the Sabbath day.

Christians likely meet on Sunday, because:

(1) The example is they met on first day of the week

(2) Christians can worship any day, and many choose Sunday.

Maybe your question is why do most Christians not celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday:

(1) Colossians 2:16, 17

(2) Jesus healed others on the Sabbath

(3) Jesus challenged the Pharisees in how they observed the Sabbath and redefined it for them: Mark 3:4, Mark 2:27

(4) Matthew 5:17-18 (fulfilled but not abolished). Many will say the 10 commandments still apply, like it's still just as wrong to kill someone, but a % may say the 4th commandment (keep Sabbath) may not still apply.

That is to help answer your first question, but I didn't understand your second one.

Hi Drama,

I very much like this post as I agree.

In reality why we are not to condemn others who may be against us today or living in deep sin/evil etc. Obviously we are to judge righteously in what is right and wrong. Make known these things though to try and save that person from their sin in where it may lead them. Not to condemn them as only God knows the exact time for every person, that is His, and there is a reason for it that we may not be able to understand. God knows everyone better than we know ourselves.

As said we are only able to plant or water though it is God that gives the growth. 1 Corinthians 3:7-8.

In this life it is truly not easy to see other people, even in your own family, that don't seem to listen to our words even though we are only spreading God's Word for their good. Though as two of the fruits of the Holy Spirit are patience and longsuffering as in the end of Galatians.

Even looking at Paul who condemned and murdered followers of Christ though he turned out to be the one who wrote most of the epistles in the NT. As you stated that some may be with the Lord from their childhood and some may accept the Lord when they are at the end of their life. Connecting to Matthew 20:16.

As there are some who never accept the Lord and, even more saddening is, people who were with the Lord then reject Him and go back to the world.

Stay close to the Lord, put all your trust in Him, and pray fervently without ceasing.

God Bless.

Hi Donna, Hendrickson Publishers publishes one called Holy Bible 1611 Edition King James Version which includes the apocrypha and is in the original old English, just not the gothic font.

Joseph,

It would be similar to drawing straws. Acts 1:26 says that they put forth lots. They cast lots. Casting lots was a very popular method used in those days. There are two ways. One way is you put a bunch of marbles in a bag, especially black marbles, and you put one white marble in and whoever pulls the white marble out, that's the one that's chosen for whatever activity you're doing.

Another one is to put names on rocks and put them in a basket and somebody reaches in and pulls a rock out with somebody's name on it. This is called the casting of lots. It's kind of like our drawing straws.

And they cast lots and the lot fell upon Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

This is how they made decisions in those days to find out what the Lord wanted. Remember the priest? In the Old Testament, he had that pocket and there were two stones. One stone meant yes and one stone meant no. Whenever a question came up, he pulled the stone out and whatever was written on the stone would be the answer. That's the only way they could know!

And then you have Luke Chapter 1 with Zacharias? When all the priests gathered together for their function for that week, all the priests would pull marbles out of this bag and the one that drew the white marble gets to burn incense in the Holy of holies.

Thank you, Richard. I've found the 1611 on many websites, I'm just having trouble confirming whether or not the Apocrypha is included.

I appreciate your reply.

Your sister in Christ,

Donna

Thank you Brother Dan....

Ask any prelate (employee: priest, bishop, cardnal, and even pope, and they will tell you that they changed the holiness of the Sabbath Day, in fact they are quite proud of it....

See Daniel 7:25 "He shall speak pompous words against the Mostg High . Shall persecute the saints of the Most High.

And shalol intend to change times and laws."

I ask you which of God's Ten Commandments has to do with time? Only the Fourth Commandment, which starts out with "Remember", which is really the only one of the Ten that man wants to forget. and do away with. Also, consider that man can not really change or do away with any of God's Ten Commandments, they cab only "Think" to do so....

God os not caught "flat footed here" He knew that a power would try this in thefuture....

1. Why is it that the majority of "sola scriptura" Christians observe Sunday as sabbath while the 4th of God's Ten Commandments specifically states that the "Sabbath is the 7th Day."

(Recall that the close of the book of Revelation describes "the saved" as those who "keep the Commandments of God" and "have the faith of Jesus.")

2. It seems that the most reasonable method of prophetic interpretation is the "historical" one. It is this method that leaves NO gaps in the flow of prophetic events.

(The concocted methods of preterism and futurism leave the individual in limbo.)

Want to be spiritual

What does this bible verse explain

Those romans are so mean

It surely seems that Jesus put an end to living by the law when he fulfilled it. HIS commandment was Love which fulfills the law which He proved that we fail to keep it all. But His two laws cover everything! He loves us in spite of ourselves so we should love others in spite of themselves. The hardest to do.

Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Living under the new covenant today does not take away from God's 10 commandments. Many people today quote and misquote apostle Paul's writings. This simple truth is that the apostle Paul does not have the authority to cancel any of God's commandments.

Jesus respected his Father and his commandments and Jesus did not cancel any of the 10 commandments. Please read and try to understand the following scriptures spoken directly by Jesus Christ while he was on this earth.

John 14:15

"If ye love me, keep my commandments."

John 14:21

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him."

John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Matthew 5:17

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

Matthew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Paul and the other disciples honored and followed the 10 commandments including the 4th commandment. See apostle John's scripture below:

1 John 2:3

"And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments."

1 John 5:2

"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments."

1 John 5:3

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."

2 John 1:6

"And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it."

Please read the scriptures and pray for understanding.

God bless

chapter 13, who was Solomon making reference to

1 Peter 5:4

To: Sarah on 2 Thessalonians 2:11, Jesus tells us in Matthew 10:36-37 (And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.) True Christians will have the desire to separate themselves from any form of sin and in the process it will hurt some feelings. I love my wife, my children, but I Love God and Jesus more! Ephesians 5:11 ( And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.) Sometimes it is really hard to forsake all and follow Jesus, after its all done, it will be worth it! God bless and I hope maybe in someway this helps.

If you take a cup of water from the ocean, it's 100 percent ocean water and as old as the ocean , yet it's not the whole ocean . That would be silly ?

Who is the church?

1 John 4.15

If you add to who Jesus is then you create another Jesus and another gospel , another Spirit .

Jesus is the Son of God as declared so many times in the bible by God and Jesus and many others .

Without God dwelling in the believer, it's impossible to understand just how deep being the Son of God Is .

Therefore a new doctrine is made by men and false .

Thank you Michael!

I am not now a member of any church. I spend my Sunday's in prayer all day, out in the mountains hiking, taking long runs, maybe stopping for a coffee at a local Cafe, reading my bible, and feeling joy and happiness at the people around me. I am in constant prayer on Sundays. I bless all the churches that preach the gospel, but i am not now a church-goer in the traditional sense. In this life, God has steadfastly delivered me of a religious spirit, and I feel free. I am willing to go back to church if he calls me. But so far, not. I know many will judge me on this. Perhaps I could be evangelizing more. God will call me. Blessings!

Hi Lorraine, I assume that you desire to memorize just the Books' titles rather than the content of those Books. If so, the old adage, "Repetition is the mother of learning" comes to mind. You already have the first seven Books memorized - just keep adding the next Book on the list each day, repeating the whole list of Books starting from Genesis. Within two months you would have memorized the whole Bible Book Index. Of course, those Books that have pairs together (e.g. Books of Samuel, Kings, Chronicles, Gospels, Corinthians, Thessalonians, Timothy, Peter & John) can be remembered easily & will shorten the time needed to learn. But the main thing is that the whole list from Genesis must be repeated each day (maybe several times a day) to keep the memory alive & the rhythm going. Some have also put it into a simple tune (e.g. children's rhyme) if that might help.

But if you're thinking of delving a little deeper & quickly learning what each book or chapter or chapter groups, speak about, then I believe that "Walk through the Bible" has some help on this, but it would be more important at this stage to know the Book order & briefly what each Book speaks about - it will increase your confidence with God's Word & in time you will be able to zip through it to find passages or accounts you are looking for. May the Lord bless you as you hunger for more of His Word.

Chris, I really appreciate your manner of teaching and your tone. I find it easy to learn of a calm, quiet spirit. Thank you. I am new to this KJV site, and it has been such a blessing to learn more, and be more in the Word. Blessings to both you and Bill, and thank you for stirring up my love of the Scriptures....

Thank you for your voice of disagreement, Bill. We have stated our positions - let others who are acquainted with this account be the judge of the matter.

Mystery Babylon , she is a spiritual mother of harlots .

The RCC is the mother and the harlots are other false churches that hold to her doctrines .

It's only mystery to those in it , and it's world wide .

The true believer is called to come out of her .

The primary doctrine is the Trinity doctrine that is totally not found in the bible and has no basis for evaluating a persons relationship with God .

The true believer believes that Jesus is the Son of God .

The Antichrist churches can not except this as true doctrine but add to it in many ways and corrupt themselves in do doing .