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(My rant is on what I meant, I apologize at its length) That is very much not what I was saying, I mean that the last supper couldn't have been Passover, Passover is at the beginning of the feast of unleavened bread, which is a Sabbath. Even if Judas could have gotten things on the Sabbath, what could they have prepared for if not the Seder. You're right about what you said, it's just not what I was implying was wrong. If Jesus was the Passover lamb he had to be killed at the same time all of the other lambs were being slaughtered for Passover. He arrived 10 days before slaughter, as was the law. He was without blemish as was the law. He was even the equal sacrifice, he was the only person in history born of God except Adam; Paul said that Jesus paid Adam's sin (ours as well) but he was, therefore, an equal sacrifice to Adam. He fulfilled hundreds of prophecies, came out of Egypt (salvation from Egypt), baptized at 30 (as was the law for priests), became the high priest (after Melchizedek), fulfilled all of psalm 22 (no broke bone, pierced hands, out of joint, hanged on a tree, etc...), he restituted the gentiles to Israel, he hasn't wed the perfect virgin yet (that's revelations 21 where he does that), but he has fulfilled every prophecy except a few to come. What I am saying is, if he did all of this, if he fulfilled all of these prophecies, fulfilled the festival of Sukkoth, fulfilled Yom Kippur, Rosh Hashana, EVEN Hanukkah! Why would he not die on the day when the Passover was supposed to die? It drives me crazy, he is a perfect God, why would he set up a festival literally about passing over sin (Egypt being bondage, bondage in sin specifically) and have him die on the WRONG DAY! I'm not even going to get into why people think it would be Sunday that he rose. I do apologize for the rant, it is completely not directed at you, but toward an idea that I believe has no basis in the bible but has its basis in a painter from the 1300's misinterpretation of it.

Jesus already knew what Judas Iscariot was going to do; but not his other disciples.

There was an Old Testament prophesy about the event. Judas fulfilled it.

Psalms 41:9 Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.

Even Jesus submitted to be baptized by John the Baptist. "So all righteousness would be fulfilled." It was the fulfillment of prophesy.

Matthew Chapter 3

13 Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him.

14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In the book of Acts, people were still being baptized by the disciples in water to repentance.

Even tho in John chapter 3, Jesus told Nicodemas he must be born again and baptized by the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism was not forbidden by Jesus. I chose to be baptized publically, to show the cast out demons that I belonged to Jesus.

Thank the Lord if you have never been oppressed by demons for meddling in the Occult: had one try to break your neck; restrain you so you cannot stand or speak; had one levitate your bed 6 ft off the floor; manifest to guests in other rooms , scaring them to pieces. Every single day, turn your paintings sideways. When you sit down in Church and the church prays corporately to cast the demons out of the building...the demons tell you that you "better get up and leave with them."

I confessed my past to a whole Church and was set free from the oppression finally.

If you don't know zip about spiritual warfare ; don't tell people it's heresy to be water baptized!! Few church's teach deliverance ministry. You sure don't teach it here. Be a disciple full bore.

Don't email me either unless you need deliverance from Pharisee-ism. Thank you. Mishael

Thank You for Your reply. Elisa went up too without physical death. I got Elijah and Elisa from The King James Version following the footnotes of verses.

There's an issue with traditional teaching on this. Other than it doesn't hold up to the actual Koine Greek in some places, the traditional view is that he rose on Sunday, therefore we do sabbath Sunday. But first, that comes from acts 2, "they gathered on the first day of the week" that is actually Sabbaton, they gathered on Sabbaton, or a "certain sabbath", not Sunday. Second, Jesus never says they are celebrating Passover, he is only telling them to prepare, if he was the Passover he had to die when the priests were killing the lambs for Passover, not after the feast. He died at Sunset what would be Wednesday night (for Jews, the next day starts at sunset), So he died Thursday (the same time they slaughter Passover lambs), was in the tomb at the same time as the Feast of Unleavened bread ( a sabbath), then Mary, Mary, and Martha went and got the oil and incense on Friday (when it wasn't a sabbath) and came to Jesus's tomb on Saturday, where they discovered him risen. This not only fits with Hebrew Scriptures, it also addresses the issue of if Jesus had sent Judas out on that night the disciples would have thought he was committing a sin by having him buy on the sabbath. There's no actual scriptural evidence he rose on Sunday, he would have arrived in Jerusalem the two weeks prior, as is custom. Also, the Passover lamb was supposed to be in the house 10 days, and that's 10 days before Wednesday, the day when Priests slay the lamb. If he had died Friday night, you're right, because it's Jewish, not Greek, night was the point of the new day, so he would have only been in the ground Saturday and Sunday, but he died Wednesday night, so that's Thursday, Friday, then Saturday.

Yes indeed we serve a mighty and very good God.

If it was the Passover Seder, why did they think Judas was on his way to buy for the feast? Also, how can Jesus be the Passover Seder if he was killed the day after the Seder. Meaning this has to be the day before. Food for thought.

Alex, keep prophesying the tenth (fruitfruits) well understand.

Patrick, the major and minor books of prophesy all speak of the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord began at the ministry of John the Baptist and has continued to the present. Matthew 11:13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. (vs) 12 And from the days of John until now the kingdom or heaven suffereth violence ,..... Malachi 3:1 Behold I (Jesus) will send my messenger (John the Baptist), an he (John) shall prepare the way before me (Jesus): and the Lord (Jesus) whom ye seek shall appear in his (Jesus) temple,.... ( I Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God [Jesus] dwelleth in you?) Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his house; whose house are we,.... Zachariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh,.... (vs 6) And it shall come to pass in that day (day of the Lord: began 2000 years ago), that the light (Jesus; Spirit of God) shall not be clear, or dark: (vs 7) But it (day of the Lord) shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day (light) or night (dark): but it shall come to pass at evening time (end of the day of the Lord) it (day of the Lord) shall be light (Jesus; the Spirit of God in you, Jesus is the light of the world in you ). Matthew 13:33 ..... The kingdom of heaven (Christ in you) is like unto leaven (Spirit of God) which a woman ( Galatians 4:26 new Jerusalem: the mother of us all) took, and hid in three measures of meal (us; the meat offering to God), till the whole (lump; all mankind) was leavened (by the Spirit of God). Romans 11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, then the lump is holy;....

It's actually speaking about life and obeying the Holy Spirit and God's response to His children that obey Him! While not listening to the devils lies and doing his will Shalom!

Great website! I totally recomend for all Christians, new and old!!!

Thanks for the encouragement I will keep praying for their salvation.

To JOEL OSTEEN

Regarding your views on Water Baptism it cannot save a person. Please read Hebrews 6:1,2. It was one of the rites of of the Jewish Religion ( Numbers 19:7, Hebrews 9:10). Like circumcision, it was strictly an act of faith, and as Peter explains it is an a pledge of good conscience towards God.

For a better understanding and the 'spiritual truth' of what it means to repent, and learn how and by whom mankind has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9) and what people must do to be reunited with the true and living God, we invite you to seek Him according to the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive ( Matthew 7:7; John 14:17).

Repentance is the key principle of all the teachings of Jesus Christ and the axiom (basis) of the Word of God and a prerequisite and primary requirement for the salvation of mankind. It actually means the changing of spirits - to turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan unto God ( Acts 26:18).

You need not that any man teach you ( Isaiah 54:13; 6:45; 1 John 2:27), as mankind follows after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).

It is only by revelation of God that people will come to know the true Christ ( Daniel 12:4,9; Amos 3:7; Matthew 16:17; Luke 2:26; Romans 16:25; 1 Cor. 2:10; Gal. 1:16; Eph. 3:3,5; Rev. 1:1), and only then will you be able to overcome the spirit of this world ( 1 John 5:4; Rev. 3:21) and learn what 'True Repentance' means, and how this whole world has been deceived ( Rev. 12:9). It should also be remembered that it is a narrow way that leadeth unto 'Life', and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14; Luke 13:23).

LUKE 15:10. LIKEWISE, I SAY UNTO YOU, THERE IS JOY IN THE PRESENCE OF THE ANGELS OF GOD OVER ONE SINNER THAT REPENTETH.

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

To JOEL OSTEEN

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We did contact you Ministry on different occasions, along with several reporters at the Houston Chronicle to warn them of God's judgment of all the false churches and Ministries (Mega Churches).

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By two or three witnesses, shall every word be established, 2 Corinthians 13:1

Jesus explains this passage in John chapter 3 to Nicodemus. water is natural birth, showing Jesus was all man. Blood showing his bloodline, God, proving his deity. Jesus says, "I must be about my fathers business." talking about God.

Comments about Isaiah 49, Isaiah 11 and Psalms 72 We see the Gransons The King is gonna have a Son which was Solomon but Solomon is symbolic of the H.G.Thats what Solomon means is Comforter H.G. and Solomon was the Granson. Symbolic of the H.G. THE COMFORTER. There is a great judge coming which is the H.G. THE COMFORTER Christ Offspring. He BREATH on them and they received the H.G YA gotta realize his breath was his word, his Seed thats is gonna impregnate this whole world with a spirit which is the H.G. ISAIAH describes the Davidic kingdom as Jesse, David and Solomon, Father son and granson, And Solomon was the great judge like no other in the O.T. Without this Father, Son, AND GRANSON SCENARIO THERE CANNOT BE AN ISRAEL OF GOD,God swore by his very self when he made this Promise of multiplication,Thats y he told Moses my name is abraham issac and jacob this is father son and granson that became the nation of Israel,but there is an ISRAEL OF GOD COMING WHICH IS ALSO FATHER SON AND GRANSON. Just as Solomon came out of the loins of David. the H.G comes out of the loins of Christ,HE BREATH ON THEM THAT WAS HIS SEED, his Word thus the H.G CAME OUT OF HIS LOINS, His seed etc. Thats y he refers to the H.G as the promise,Its his seed etc th gransons that are gonna be as the stars of heaven.Give the King thy judgements O God and thy righteounsness UNTO THE kINGS SON THAT WAS SOLOMON BUT IS PROPHETIC OF the H.G. the Kings Son ( Christ's Sons ) The GRANSON, tHE BEGINNING OF AN Israel of God that is gonna be born in US via that good seed his word etc The new covenant. The book in the Fathers righthand. Christ is not impotent, he has a seed to sow in humanity,Which is the word the Gransons. All nations are gonna call him blessed talking bout Solomon which is prophetic of the H.G. Christ which is IMMANUEL God with us.Blessed be his Holy name forever, let the whole earth be filled with his GLORY AMEN.We will sing a new song in that day,not this old churchanity song much longer.

To JOEL OSTEEN

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Hello, there's no law from God about races intermarrying so I don't know where this thought even comes from. Why assume it's wrong?

Much of the hate and talk about racism in our world is from confirmation bias that the media amplifies to brainwash everyone about. There was slavery all over the world and the country that led to abolish it is still being demonized even though only a minority of wealthy people were the true owners of a certain political party and all of them are dead. But the other countries continue to have slavery even today are somehow ignored. Why? All races have been slaves and all races have been slave traders, unlike what the media tells people. People don't blame the today's Germans for WWII or the Japanese for WWII, because it wasn't them specifically who did it, yet, people continue to want to blame people alive today who have a certain skin pigment for all moral injustices of the past. If someone looks up the definition of racism it matches that last statement. So, people are incentivized to want to be oppressed to gain certain political capital- so much so that people even stage fake hate crimes. Some countries have many black billionaires and multimillionaires with them dominating professional sports and genras of music. Satan is alive and he wants everyone to feel divided and to think everything the media says is true and he wants you to blame others for things based on the color of their skin. That's evil.

We forgive others for our peace not theirs that's why christ says forgive always 70 times 7 in one day. Because he wants us in peace and if we hold on to what people does to us it takes our peace. Plus there is no peace in judgement.

Jeffrey say that hes a good person and Iv tried to show him that theres none righteous ,but I havent tried talking to his wife yet and my great-aunt lives 7 hours from here and sadly she thinks that she was born a christian.

Comments by Alex about the Gransons that are the result of the new covenant, The words of God, th seeds of the sower. The children of Promise, spirits as God is spirit. Christ is not impotent he has a seed to sow in humanity. But this cannot happen till the book is opened which contains the living WORDS of God, the new covenant is gonna be sown in our hearts, Christ will not sire flesh and blood children simply b/c his seed is th living word the very seed of God. His offspring is the H.G. TH GRANSON THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM AS HE SAID. they are gonna be as the stars of heaven gonna be born in humanity. Ya gonna seed bumper stickers saying i am with CHILD of the H.G.I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven,behold me and the children, which is the H.G. the child of Promise for everyone.If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me via his seed the word, that good seed that only Christ can sow in your hearts that new covenant, Our new hearts and new spirits is Christ in US. Isaiah 11 speaks of the babes and sucklings that are be in all his holy mountain they are gonna rule the world as the manchild will rule all the world. That new covenant is all inclusive. Jesus died for everybody. When he fed the multitudes he did not cull anybody . he makes his sun to shine on everybody. makes his rain to water everybody. If any man thirst let him come unto me and drink.God is no respecter of persons, he wants to impregnate this whole world with his precious seed the child is the H.G. THAT CHILD OF PROMISE. BEING BORNAGAIN OF AN INCORRUPTIBLE SEED ETC EVEN BY THE words of God the living words Just as Issac multiplied his father abraham, Christ is gona multiply his father GOD ALMIGHTY, THATS Y HE IS SAYING to whom the Word came it made them Gods and th scrip cannot be broken. meaning his word , His seeds cannot return unto him void, the church humanity is gonna have a baby,Christ is the FATHER thats y he is saying whosoever receives one child in MY NAME receives ME. GBU

Messed up but God, still has his hands on us.

Is it a sin to have a mixed marriage between black and white People? I believe there are millions of Black Believers in the world also millions of White Believers. So, What is the answer that the question is seeking. I think its maybe. How to get beyond the problem of racial issues. With these two people groups. John 13:34-35. The Lord speaks of a new commandment he is bringing to Love your fellow man. In this chapter Jesus washes the disciples feet. He lets them know that what he was doing they would understand later. I say If they were to have foot washing services in your church as they are here in Jesus day, would you wash a black persons feet or a white persons feet? I believe he was showing how seriously he takes loving our fellowman. He says He is greater that we are and he is setting an example of how far love can go. and Should go. I would really ask myself, Would I? Could I? If asked or pushed how would I feel. How would I behave. Its flippant to say I love everybody and wish well for all which shows my love of all mankind? but is this true?

Amen brother!

Brother Chris,

I will disagree with much of your stated understanding of scripture, and your comment that you "not only would cancel the 4th commandment, but you would cancel all 10 commandments.

I will let Jesus answer the issue in regard to the 10 commandments:

Mathew 23:36-40 36Master, which is the great commandment in the law? 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Below Jesus himself answers the question of canceling the Law.

Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one dot of the Law to become void.

17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

If Jesus was going cancel the law and the commandments he would have said as much, as he had many chances to do so as stated above in these scriptures.

No need to get snarky there.

Hold onto your seat Mixster...aand away we goo...

Deborah was a Jew. I am speaking expressly on Christian matters.

It is an easy distinction for the serious Bible student. Thank you for your question.

"What are you going to comment, on that?..?

In Isaiah 61:2, Is year of the Lord the 7000th year from the creation of this world? ( my question is born from kjv comment/explanation above).

Thanks.

On HOMOSEXUALITY, SAN FRANCISCO AND GOD'S JUDGMENT

A Gallup pole of the 50 largest Metropolitan area's in the U.S. found that 6.2% of San Franciscans identify as LGBT; which is 2.6% higher than the national average. The survey was conducted between June 2012 and December 2014. The question now is: Would God be able to locate 10 people that are righteous in His eyes? We are afraid not, and please remember: he that is 'spiritual' judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man ( 1 Cor. 2:15).

We have served the true and living God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob since 1984 and during those days have learned that this whole world has beendeceived ( Rev. 12:9), and that it is a narrow road that leadeth unto 'Life' and few there be that find it ( Matthew 7:14). Also, that mankind prefers darkness over light ( John 3:19), as they serve after an image of a false god and a false Christ ( Matthew 24:24; Mark 13:22; Gal. 4:8; 2 Cor. 11:13-15; Rev. 12:9).

It should be remembered that God's judgment will always prevail and therefore our message remains the same: Ye must Repent.

You can learn more about our Ministry in Christ by Googling our 'Names' or the article "False Apostles and False Christs' or 'A World Deceived'. There is also a 'Contact' page for further communication. We invite you to review the 'Letter of Introduction' posted on the 'Introduction' page of the website. It highlights some of our work. Please note that our website was visited last year by people from over 160 countries. There are a total of 193 countries throughout the world plus the Vatican and Palestine that are listed as observer states.

It should be noted that in over 36 years of service we have never collected/received, solicited or requested donations. The gift of 'Life' was freely given and freely do we give to all those that believe ( 2 Kings 5:16; Matthew 6:26; 10:8).

Seek, and ye shall find ( Matthew 7:7).

In His Service.

Andy & Dianne van den Berg - Nova Scotia, Canada

There is hard proof in Christ's diacritical death on the cross as demo of "source of life", or eternal life with creative powers.