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John 5:43 KJV
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Also read;
John 14:8-10 KJV
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Then Jesus also commanded them to be baptized in The Name of the Son; This should be evident without controversy we all know who the name of the Son is. However, We find in
John 14:6-7:
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Acts 4:12 KJV
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. The most powerful name under heaven is JESUS.
Finally, we come to the Name of the Holy Ghost, that Name is The same name of both the Father's and The Son's is Jesus. As we read about the Comforter in John 14: 16-18
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
be heirs to the promises made to Abraham, Isaac, AND Ishmael .
Christ was there before, during, and after this episode and will be coming back to redeem ALL who are worthy .
With that said & this year's Sabbath falling on a Monday, how does this fact affect you in keeping the Sabbath (in respect to conducting life & business which follows the Gregorian calendar)? Or, would today's Jews keep the Sabbath according to the Solar Calendar? Surely, they must adhere to the Gregorian to conduct business as they would be 'all over the place' in every aspect of life. What you have presented is mind-boggling as I've never considered folk working with two systems like this, if at all.
c. You: "So when someone says the Joos can be saved by grace and keeping the law during a future time period they are contradicting dozens of passages in both the old and new testaments."
Me: I heartily agree, as Grace & Faith are required for salvation today, there can't be a reversion back to either just the Law or a fusing of both. For those who will die until the Millenial rule of Christ, their destinies are either Heaven or Hell. For those still alive at Christ's reign & hear the Gospel preached ( Rev 14:6), it would still be the Gospel of Faith without the Law. And lest any think that this is a 'second chance Gospel' given for all, I sense that it is still the same Gospel sent to those living at that time, whereas those who rejected it earlier, perished because of their rejection of it. It seems that the validity of the Gospel is not based on a specific duration (i.e. a cut off time) but on its eternal value & offer to all living. And of course, where the Holy Spirit is absent there can't be conviction; but when Christ is present (Millenium), His Spirit goes to work. And the fact that it is preached today in all love & urgency as the Spirit still abides, is so that those who choose to reject it now & die, will never receive a second chance for eternal life, even though it remains valid.
The Anti-Christ proponents say that the verse speaks of the Anti-Christ in position for 7 years, first coming as a peace-maker (confirming the covenant he makes to this end). In the midst of the week (3 years), he breaks that covenant, stopping all Jewish worship & his position on the 'throne' desecrates & makes the Temple an abomination. Now I realize you are aware of the various ways to look at it, & even Carlos (I think) alerted me to the "he" in verse 27 as referring to Jesus. So, I'm well aware of both positions by taking off my 'pre-trib hat' & even admit that this understanding could be valid. And also, as you would know, there are many scholars who just can't fit the events of v 27 to anyone but the spirit of Satan. So that's where we're at: two opinions who firmly believe their understanding of this verse is correct.
b. You: "Isn't the chapter about Jesus confirming THE covenant (verses 24 and 25)? It's all about that. to make an end of sins, THE TESTATOR must die in order for the will or covenant to become in affect. All over Hebrews."
Me: I agree that it is Jesus that is spoken about in vv 24,25. But when you look at the 'weeks' of years given in vv 24-27, we see that Jesus was already crucified (v 26) & Jerusalem destroyed by Titus in AD 70 (69 weeks). Then in v 27 "he confirms the covenant for 1 week (the remaining week from the 70 weeks)". How do you understand this in the light that Jesus was already crucified at the 62nd week?
Robert, thank you for the time you've taken for such a detailed reply. Just to pick up on some things in reference to the Dan 9 account. And I'm trying to think not as a pre-tribber or any other 'tribber', but look at the verses in their context.
a. You: "There are TWO princes mentioned in this passage. One is Titus (secular little prince) and the other Jesus the Messiah, the Prince of peace." (v26).
Me: Yes, I do agree with you on that, but when we get to verse 27 & we see "And he shall confirm the covenant with many", this is where divergent opinions arise on who "he" is. Some say that it speaks of Jesus, others, Anti-Christ. For those referring it to Jesus, I sought understanding as to His "confirming the Covenant FOR ONE WEEK (7 Years) & causing the sacrifice & oblation to cease, etc." If it was Jesus, how & when did this happen at His coming & His death, as all things continued the same way with the Jews? If it referred to the "Prince that shall come", then it spoke about, either evil Titus at his coming in AD 70, or that spirit that was in him, to be revealed in the Anti-Christ.
Now, I realize that you've also given a fuller explanation of this & it is noted & appreciated. However, to fully appreciate both sides of understanding verse 27 (whether speaking of Jesus or Anti-Christ), we would need to understand "confirming the covenant", "for one week (7 years)", & a "ceasing & removal of the sacrifices & abominations". You've said that Jesus affirmed the promise through the Gospel (how so for 7 years?), the sacrifices/oblations ceased through His death & resurrection, & the desolation of the abominations at His Second Coming (I assume).
Can you imagine the church writing apostle Peter and saying we can't understand your letters because we have no seminary's and library of books to study them !
Come on people wake up pray to the author God for his Holy spirits work to enable you to understand what man never will .
it is not the time and day of the week that saved mankind from destruction but the act of God through his son Jesus Christ.
Please refer to John 3:16-18.
Sincerely,
Leo.