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For Mel, You wouldn't call it incest as you have to put yourself in the picture when you read scripture. Pre Noah's flood, humans lived close to a thousand years and had lots and lots of kids. After Noah the new environment conditions and Gods command reduced our life span to 120 years.These days you may marry someone 5 or 10 years younger and have a few kids but in those days you may have married someone 200 years younger and from many generations away from yourself genetically. My grandparents had ten kids and lived for 85 years. Last count we had about 200 decendants from them. Can you imagine if they had lived for 900 years and their kids and kids kids also lived 900 years...Lots of people around quickly and after a few hundred years nobody would know who was closely related to who and all this in a pure Adamite Gene pool with very few of our modern defects. Cain was probably alone for a few hundred years before very happily bumping into a girl for him from one of his distant relatives. If you look at a world population graph, you will see how fast the population has grown in only the last few hundred years.

so then the beast were angels

I need a short summary of Job 14 for discussion on tomorrow morning. thanks

Thank you for your response. However, you misunderstood my question. I was not asking why it is that some religions observe the Sabbath on Sunday, rather than on Saturday. My question was regarding what, exactly, is the 4th Commandment. I was taught that it is "Honor thy father and thy mother," and, applied that answer to the question posted in the "Bible Trivia" quiz. I was surprised when my answer turned out to be incorrect. I listed the 10 Commandments in the order in which I was taught. To my understanding of the KJV, as well as the Catholic Version, it would appear that the Fourth Commandment is, "Honor thy father and thy mother," not, "Remember the Sabbath, to keep it holy." See rational below:

BOOK OF EXODUS:

Verses 1 - 6 (First Commandment)

Verse 7 (Second Commandment)

Verses 8 - 11 (Third Commandment) "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy."

Verse 12 (Fourth Commandment) "Honor thy father and thy mother."

Still confused.

"if by reason of strength 80 years" this tells me that those who have strength in faith that endure to the end of tribulation would make the 80 year mark. 80 years from Israel becoming a nation May 14th 1948 is 2028. "for it is soon cut off, and we fly" says to me that the harpazo/rapturo/rapture will occur before may 14th 2021 if it is pre tribulation like I believe. the second coming would be sometime before may 14th 2028.

The truth here is ugly, but any that reject it do so to to their own peril. This isn't merely Paul's value judgment but is in fact God's assessment of the human condition. Any and all of us at our natural best are equally abominable in God's eyes and worthy of Hell forever. Paul even confesses this of himself ( 1 Timothy 1:15).

Yet God loves the vilest sinner and sent his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross to pay for all our sins. He didn't come to affirm us sinners in our destructive death styles, but to redeem us and deliver us out of it. It's really not love that holds back from warning a sinner, who is already condemned, about the coming judgment ( John 3:18). I encourage you to keep reading Romans.

Lou Contino

You are correct. The entire scene at the Cross is amazing.

I could not find the Scripture in Job that you were referencing, but dust is mentioned numerous times concerning the product of physical death.

I am under the impression that what Jesus was doing when he stated "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me" was that He was TEACHING to all that could hear.

If you want to know what Jesus said to them, read ALL of Psalms 22; spoken 1000 years before the Cross. Now THAT is AWESOME!

When Jesus addressed His heavenly Father He would always use the word "Father."

The OT phrase "that He hath done this" from Psalms 22:31 is equivalent to the NT phrase "it is finished" ( John 19:30).

Comments by Alex about the seed of the sower the living words of God. Jesus says this parable of the sower is the greatest of the parables,know ye not this parable ,how then will you know all parables,This seed of the sower is gona form Christ in humanity, simple b/c the field is the world implying humanity. Jeremiah. saw all men in travail and birth pains simply b/c of his seed th Word . In the O.T. 27 times the prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains simply b/c of his precious seed th word the contents of the book th new covenant. The Woman goes into travail after the book is opened,we are the woman the world the field where that good seed is gona be SOWN Our hearts are the womb, My lil children of whom i travail in birth Again till Christ is formed in you. OH THAT PRECIOUS SEED IS GONA BE SOWN IN US,WHEN iSAIAH saw the kingdom coming he says unto us a Child is born, unto us a son is given th SON OF MAN. She brought forth a man child a baby Christ, now is come salvation and the kingdom of our God and his Christ. Jesus said b/c i have spoken these words (his seeds) sorrows have filled your hearts, sorrows imply a spritual pregnancy thats when he told them of a woman in birth pains, the Child is the H.G. our new innerman, as we have born the image of the earthly we must also bear ( birth ) the image of the heavenly which is the H.G. via his seed th WORD .Ya gotta realize the sower of the Good seed is the bridegroom. The child is the H.G. the children of PROMISE, he is gonna reproduce very God in humanity,to whom the word came that good seed it made them Gods. Remember God swore by his very self when he made that Promise thats y Jesus is saying to whom the Word came it made them Gods, the Child is Emanuel God with us, the stretching out of his wings is gonna fill this whole world. The weaned child and the sucking child are his children that are gonna be born in us,Whosoever receives one such Child in my NAME RECEIVES ME.Behold me and the CHILDREN ISAIAH .

Proverbs 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

We existed with God before the world was formed.

And there was a war in heaven.

Pharaoh killed Israel's first born males to genocide Israel.

I believe once Pharaoh acted to destroy God's people, he lost his free agency and God then showed His power thru Pharaoh and Moses destroying all the first born males of Egypt.

We are in a battle of good and evil.

The battle is real.

So real, God gave His Only Begotten Son for God so loved the world.

I'm a Mormon.

I am passionate in my faith in Christ.

I will discuss my beliefs but if you are derogative I will be derogative.

Why would God harden pharaoh's heart and use Pharaoh to destroy and show His power?

Paul says, For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power"

I believe the answer involves a pre-existence, meaning we existed before we came to earth.

Pharaoh was a vessel of dishonor and would not purge himself becoming a vessel of honor.

Scriptures verifying a pre-existence:

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying ...

1 Peter 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you ...

Psalms: 90:1-2 (A Prayer of Moses the man of God.) Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.



Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

Proverbs: (Wisdom, she is speaking of being with the Lord before and during Earth's creation)

Proverbs 8:4 Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man.

Proverbs 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Proverbs 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

Proverbs 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

Proverbs 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

Proverbs 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

Paul,

Please know that I am not disagreeing with anything you are saying here. It is indeed sad that Jesus who had no sin, would come and die for a world full of sin. It's also sad to know that people still continue to reject the love that Christ showed and the gift He has to offer to those who have the heart to receive that gift. Sad indeed!

Stephende - it appears to me in Romans that Paul in showing that we are all under sin - Greeks, Jews, Gentiles - no one is perfect except Jesus (and that includes me and you). No one, is exempt. Paul is battling the Pharisee's who think they are exempt from the condemnation of a sinful nature, because of their man-made laws. However, like every Book and Chapter you need to read everything and not just stop at any place you want to stop, because so much is missed. That is like hanging your entire doctrine on one special verse. Romans was written as one letter to be read in its entirety at one time. Very few have the patience, or steadfastness for God, to even complete that one task. But, I would encourage you to try it, and see what the whole of the letter says.

This chapter enforces that God is our teacher through the Holy Spirt and the word of God as we read from the Apostles like John Is all we really need .

Commentaries tends to confuse or mislead . That's been my experience of over 45 years . When I read the bible everything in time becomes very clear ! Amen .

Chris,

I appreciate your feedback concerning the Seventh Day.

In considering the other side of the teaching that you presented, I will respond below.

The Seventh day was declared by God BEFORE He chose Israel. This Law was established for ALL to obey and enjoy.

The 10 Commandments are OT LAW, are they abolished?

Do you still follow the 10 Commandments?

Jesus abolished BLOOD Ordinances, and either partially or completely fulfilled OT prophecy concerning His first coming, but Christ did not come to abolish the LAW.

So, then, if a person claims to have FAITH in Jesus but all of his WORKS are evil, where do you think this person ends up? Jesus tells us very plainly ( Matthew 7:23). Looks like FAITH has a lot to do with following the LAW ( Galatians 3:11-12) and with WORKS, ( James 2:17).

The English word "week" is defined from the Greek word meaning "Sabbath" or "day of rest;" also a 7 day period of time.

You state that the Lord God or His only begotten Son changed the holy Sabbath day based upon Scripture (from your understanding of Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, and Revelation 1:10):

"The first day of the week began to be recognized as the Lord's Day and that the Church began worshipping on that day"

Acts 20:7, concerns the first day of the Sabbath in reckoning the 7 Sabbaths to Pentecost.

1 Corinthians 16:2 has to do with preparation (work) for when Paul returns.

Revelation 1:10 concerns John being taken "in the spirit" to the great and dreadful "day of the Lord" or the "Lord's day"

when the Messiah shall return, and John is given testimony in relation to that. (Not Sunday!)

None of these Scriptures you offer give authorization to change the Sabbath day from the SEVENTH DAY to the FIRST DAY of the week.

Christ FORETOLD US EVERYTHING WE NEED TO KNOW. God did not give us instruction to change the Sabbath, neither did Jesus, nor did the Prophets and Apostles.

Comments about a 3 rd eye .Don't worry about a 3 rd Eye ,Jesus said if your Eye be Single your whole body will be full of light. And a DOUBLE minded man will receive nothin from God. I just had to mention that.GBU

Isaiah 52 Is filled with prophetic messages of hope faith and instructions on how to conduct ourselves as Christians to be prepared of his coming. The world cannot see these messages because of the Spirit of delusional thinking that it easier to believe wrong over right. Henceforth they will be consumed if they do not altar their ways and thoughts and return back to Jesus the Saviour who takes away the sins of this world. The Church has closed its eyes and placed them on political and business as is the order of worship. But many still seek to do good and await the forthcoming of our Risen Saviour. Be ready my friends he's on his way back. God bless you all.

TEBOHO i believe that ministering in the KJV relates to taking care of the every day business of the Church, such as the Levites did within the temple where Moses placed the Ark and all the other items God commanded him to build. Teaching I believe is the work of Moses, Jesus and others, to give/explain the word of God. and to show us what laws God wants us to follow and how to be saved in order to receive a place in the Kingdom of God.

Daily Reading

Proverbs 10

Psalm 46 - 50

I find it difficult to hear Paul's attacks in this chapter. He implicates almost everyone on earth with his puritanical view and probably hypocritically himself. Did he ask firgiveness from the Jews whom he cruelly railed on for converting? He preaching is pedantic and obscure for interpretation of the scripture. He lacks empathy which clearly Jesus himself possesed. Yet Christians everywhere points to obscure passages to defend their heartless views against women, queer folk, and humanity at large as they cling to their narrow views and support a wholly unholy man who sits in the white house. Am I right? I know I am. Who will contest?

Verse 12 is where the elect are delivered up to death which is to say delivered up to Satan and when they are delivered up the Holy Spirit will speak through them and that is where the word is broadcast through the world. Not a hair will be harmed on the elect. When you hear what the elect say you might just realize that there has been a deception taking place where the world has been worshipping a man who was kicked out of heaven Rev. 12:7,8,9 who is the antichrist that claimed he was God when standing up in Jerusalem but is a false messiah who can bring lightning down from the sky in the sight of men For those who got caught up in the one world system, living life like the days of Noah with the mark in their mind and doing the work, mark in their hand having a happy life of prosperity, eating and drinking Turn away! Wait for the true Christ.

does anything in the bible say anything about seeing 111,222,333,444,555,777,888,999 or

1111,211,311,411,511,611,711,exct... ive been seing them since i started to read the bible and then i look in the sky and see circle and cross in the middle shape all the time. i dont know what is happening to me. i need help i been searching for 3 years now and cant find anyone to give me an answer. please help me if you can?

Alex Comments about the Sabbath Day under the new covenant. Under the new covenant its our bodies that is his temple as the scripture said abide in me and i in you meaning 24/7 not 1 day a week . The Lord no more dwells in temples made with hands he has to be born within us thats y he calls himself the son of man , he wants mankind to be his temple, its a bride n bridegroom situation 24/7 forever .He even tells us that we are the branches and the branches have to abide in the vine 24/7 or it will whither and die. The branches cannot abide in the vine 1 day a week. Nothin less then your complete cooperation is exceptable,its like building a house if ya cannot give it all away and give it to the poor ya cannot finish the house, And men that stand by began to mock him saying this man began to build but was not able to finish,So like wise he be of you that cannot forsake all that he has. count the cost,its gonna cost ya everything but you will gain a kingdom, Christ in you. Our fellowship is with the father and his son NOT Bro. Jones or sis. Johnson, Christ in you 24/7,Jesus died that he might make every day Holy not 1 day a week. Now its our bodies that is his temple. Abide in me and i in you 24/7. There does remain a day of rest for the ppl of God but its a 1000 yr day when Christ will reign on this earth, A day is a 1000 yrs in the sight of God but that day will neva end . His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom that has no end . Remember Davids prophesy of a kingdom coming that wd have no end. Remember what steven said b/f the church gang stoned him, The Most high God does not dwell in temples made with hands,organized religions, there shall not be 1 stone left upon another that shall not be cast down. Churches on every corner but no Jesus . Your house is left unto you DESOLATE the churches.Jesus warned us about the great abomination of desolation that was coming. The nite comes when no man can work. Darkness has covered the earth and gross darkness the ppl . GBU

The Catholic Church System, changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.

God's law never changes that's why it was written on stone. Nowhere in the bible states that God changed his day of rest from Saturday to Sunday. Do some research on the Roman Emperor Constantine. The Seventh Day Adventist Church is the only Christian organization that recognizes and keep Saturday as the Sabbath day, in fulfillment of God's commandments.

Do the words of Job, from the dust of his despair, mirror the words of Jesus upon the cross when he says, "My God, My God, Why Have You Forsaken Me?" They very well may. For upon The Cross, we see Jesus, God & Man, praying to The Father in suffering the weight of The Sins of The World upon Him. And His cry is the cry in His Humanity, while His final words of "Into Your Hands I Commend My Spirit" are His Trust Reaffirmed with His Father. Well beyond my understanding for sure, but isn't it AWESOME!

This is a good bible to read and understand

praise God for evermore

Madalyn, "As I understand it, we will not know each other." The rich man in hades recognized Abraham, whom he probably never met and Lazarus, who lived at his gate.

I was a barren women, unable to have children. But, through God, I am the joyful mother of three children. God allowed me to adopt my children. What a blessing! Now I have 10 grandchildren! God is worthy of our praise!

Also Chris, government officials are now imposing church members not to sing in the church because the lie that virus can be spread.

If that's the case, why not have people just blow on a cotton swap than sticking it up their nose? I will tell you why because our government is lying about this contagion and you need to open your eyes to this evil agenda in my opinion.

I guess you would just gladly oblige government orders and don't question it at all.

In regards to your example of running a red light, we aren't talking about purposely driving recklessly. I am talking about following man's law that totally goes against God's Law.

Bottom line I follow God's law and not the law of man. With all do respect, your reasoning isn't faith base but more of following the law of government officials who all partake in devil worshiping and blood sacrifices.

God gave us an immune system that protects us from any illness as well as provided the food and herbs that helps us recover from any illness.

I am not obligated to anyone but carrying out God's expectations. You show a scripture in the bible that clearly states that mask wearing is not of demonic practices? You show me a passage in the bible where the bible says distancing from your fellow sister or brother in illness is God's wishes?

You can't show such verse because God never said to do such thing. There is also a passage in the bible is where you know evil is when you are being told that bad is good and good is bad. Us wearing masks isn't good for our respiratory system and it's demonic. Social distancing creates psychological fears and it's bad for your mental state as well as creating fear of your fellow neighbors. Yet we are told by our government is is good but actual fact this is bad. It goes against God's law and it would be a good idea to study Gematria as well as Khabal. This is the demonic practices by our leaders and you my dear friend need to wake up to these facts.