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Eph 4:1What does the word vocation mean in this verse?

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them

There is no law against praying over your food. Just don't do it in a school

You compare your experience with John 3, when Jesus was talking to Nicodemas

Well, sir,

If the 7-year tribulation takes place during our lifetime, I want to wish you luck. I don't plan on being here. The King James is my bible of choice. And yes, I agree that there are verses that speak of the elect being here during this time frame. But we are not the elect. The term elect is a term that specifically applies to the Jews. They are God's elect. So yes, there will be the elect here during this time frame.

There will be 144,000 Jews who will be protected by God so that no harm will come upon them. Let me ask you this. Let's say that this happens in our lifetime. What will your role be during this horrific time on this earth? How will you survive the events that will take place during that time? I know the 144,000 Jews will be protected, and they are told to flee during the last 3-1/2 years which will be so horrendous that only a few will survive. That's why God says for the elect's sake (The 144,000), those days will be shortened.

How will you get through it? Can you please share with me scriptural evidence from Revelation Chapters 4 through Chapter 19 that talks about the church's role during this time? And in Revelation Chapter 19, who is at this wedding feast, and who are these people who are described as being clothed in white garments? And who are these armies that come back with Christ as His second coming clothed in white garments, the garments of a bride?

I do respect your view. I just need proof from those Chapters in Revelation that show me that I will be here and what my role will be. It won't be to spread the gospel message and evangelize because God already has that covered. I respect your view, even though I disagree. I don't get angry at anyone who believes we (The Church) will have to go through the entire tribulation period. It doesn't bother me at all. What I don't understand is why it bothers people so much that I, along with many others believe we will not go through this horrendous time.

Satisfaction Theories

Satisfaction theories start from the idea that human sin constitutes a grave offense against God, the magnitude of which renders forgiveness and reconciliation morally impossible unless something is done either to satisfy the demands of justice or to compensate God for the wrong done to him. These theories go on to note that human beings are absolutely incapable on their own of compensating God for the wrong they have done to him, and that the only way for them to satisfy the demands of justice is to suffer death and eternal separation from God. Thus, in order to avoid this fate, they are in dire need of help. Christ, through his death (and, on some versions, through his sinless life as well) has provided that help. The different versions of the satisfaction theory are differentiated by their claims about what sort of help the work of Christ has provided. Here we'll discuss three versions: St. Anselm's debt-cancellation theory, the penal substitution theory defended by John Calvin and many others in the reformed tradition, and the penitential substitution theory, attributed to Thomas Aquinas and defended most recently by Eleonore Stump and Richard Swinburne.

According to Anselm, our sin puts us in a kind of debt toward God. As our creator, God is entitled to our submission and obedience. By sinning, we therefore fail to give God something that we owe him. Thus, we deserve to be punished until we do give God what we owe him. Indeed, on Anselm's view, not only is it just for God to punish us

So sorry. Get Before the Last Battle OR Understanding Revelation.

By. Arthur E Bloomfield

Comment: clearly Jesus loves babies & little children and disabled in comprehension.

Matthew 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 7:11

If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

Matthew Chapter 18

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

AGE OF ACCOUNTABILITY

I think the best way to answer that is to say this: There is no "age of accountability" identified in Scripture, as such. There is nothing in the Bible that says, "Here is the age and from here on you are responsible!" I think the reason for that is because children mature at different paces. That would be true from culture to culture, and from age to age in history.

So the Lord in His wisdom didn't identify a specific moment. God knows when each soul is accountable. God knows when real rejection has taken place; when the love of sin exists in the heart. When enmity with God is conscious and willful. God alone knows when that occurs.

Comment: Jesus is going to take the little ones in the Rapture. He'll not leave them here to be used as bait for Antichrist's Mark of the Beast.

If you LOVE your kids; infants & older, everyone pray now to receive Jesus as Savior and Lord! Decide NOW. In the blink of an eye, is all we've got to make that decision. Put your most holy trust in Jesus.

When we accept Jesus Christ an be bapitized in the name of Jesus Christ is when we are cleansed,

Sin do send us to hell that's the reason why Jesus died for us to cleanse us from sin

Very helpful book or paperback on Abe Books website that teaches on the event of Armageddon.

Arthur had an understanding that is awesome and very much speaks to this days people. He wouldn't teach error for all the gold in...in....in....who's got gold? Ok then, tea in China. Most likely his books won't be on the shelves at half-price books.

He said the USA would do something so bad that the whole world would SHUN us. That was 50 yrs ago, folks. Arthur is still talkin.

I thank God for every paperback book He has put in my hands.

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As Christians,we follow Christ Jesus, to him even those filled with Leprosy were precious souls, so please make sure your heart is right with Jesus and the father before you set examples, keep in mind there is only one righteous judge and that is Christ King and high Priest to the Father. If I have mistaken your phrase, I will humbly ask the the Father to forgive me, you also.

It reads in verse 13 we will be provided a way out of temptation, what happens if we succumb to that temptation, can we still find forgiveness?

So did I. By faith I asked God, by the power of the Holy Spirit, to remove the memories of sin. I had been an astrologer and my mind was filled with 1000s of interpretation of planetary aspects.

Afterward, I tried to remember anything simple and it was just gone from me!!

The Holy Spirit already knows what's troubling your mind. If it's old lovers or memories of abuse even: BY FAITH

give the memories to Him and He will give you peace from the old sins; memories.

Every time you remember that you forget, Praise God.

Memories are a place that Satan can still try to deflate our happiness in being saved and belonging to God.

Okay John,

I guess I did misunderstand what you were getting at. Many believers use the word rapture. That does not offend me when someone uses the word rapture instead of "caught up." It's the same thing for me. I use the term myself. As far as sticking to just bible words, assuming we are all using an English translation, how do we know they are the right words being used without having an understanding of the original languages?

We know that the New Testament was written in Greek, but without knowing how to read Greek, do we just assume that everything in our English translation was translated with pure accuracy? If we really want to share just bible words, why don't we share where each word came from and what that word truly means according to the original text and language? Please don't get me wrong, I'm all for sharing bible words. But unlike Greek, English is a very general language and English words can have multiple meanings which change the whole context of a particular passage of scripture.

Although we disagree on the timing of the "meeting with the Lord," I agree that I don't want to be the one taken that is mentioned in Matthew Chapter 24, and Luke Chapter 17 because I know where the one who is taken goes. Some say it's taken into judgment. Some say it's for salvation, a person is taken saved. Some say it's one of these gatherings, the Lord gathering His people from the four corners of the earth.

In Luke's account, Luke 17:37, it tells us that they are taken into judgment. They are drawn into the Valley of Megiddo for the battle of Armageddon. I see in Revelation that God is the one that draws the people and the armies into the valley of Megiddo to fight against Him when He comes. So Luke 17:37 tells me that they are taken for judgment.

Anyways, I apologize for answering without fully understanding what you were trying to present.

Verse 13 is the subject those that are dead, asleep and it goes on to tell us they are returning at the 7th trump with the Lord and no where does it say rapture or retuning. Read Ezekiel 13 and know no one flys to save their soul that is a thought up from preachers own minds that made it up out of their own Devine thoughts, not From God and he hates those that teach it. We who are alive are here through the tribulation and we will be here until the Lord returns at the 7th trump with fire to clean the earth of evil. Satan comes in deception Rev. 12 and stands in Jerusalem claiming to be God return and don't follow him. If someone shows up in peace and prosperity making a 1 world system claiming he is God he's not because The Lord comes with fire and hail stones and lights up the sky and all will know who God is.

I find that mocking attitude disturbing.

Matthew chapter 6

In Mathews chapter 6, when it speaks of praying in public, that doesn't mean that we should not pray openly, does it?

Revelation 12:9 And the great DRAGON dragon was cast out, that OLD SERPENT old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Serpent and Dragon are mere figures of speech, much like when Jesus was called the Lamb of God by John.

Jesus is not a four legged creature that said Baa.

First the Rapture is NOT taught in the King James Bible. Maybe you can pull it from some modern day re-worded Bibles that were published to appease modern day agendas. The very idea that Gods finest will not be here during Satan's tribulation is appalling. There is scripture after scripture that demonstrates God's elect will be HERE on EARTH during this period. When someone shows me a verse that says even close to " And my children will be taken to heaven BEFORE the sounding of the 6 trumpet as not to endure the anti-christs wrath" I'll start to consider the imagined rapture theory. As of now it is ONLY supported a verse here and a verse there that directly says nothing about Christians leaving this earth before Satan's return and ALWAYS IGNORES the subject being discussed in EVERY case.

The only other created Archangel was Satan; but He sinned and was thrown to Earth by Michael the Archangel at Gods request. Satan is a serpent.

The worship of angels is forbidden.

You cannot order them to do things.

They do not look like Michelangelo's cherubs.

and 2 Thessalonians 2:11

Luke 12:51

How do i know im saved

Romans 10

King James Bible Par

The Word Brings Salvation

1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth

Luke 11:52

"Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered."

You could be right but Jeremiah's 70 years was 70 years and not 25,550 days. It isn't always the case. I wouldn't make it a rule of thumb on every passage that says a day.

We know the one plague is before Jesus comes back and it says 5 months long. It is literally giving the number of months and we wouldn't add to that.

God Bless.

Jesse,

I agree with you, the phrase from ( 2Thessalonians 4:17) "shall (will) be caught up" is a translation of the Greek word "harpazo" (#726). The word "harpazo" is a derivative of the Greek word "haireomai" (#138) which is defined as to take for oneself, or to prefer; i.e., to choose.

You may have misunderstood what I said. As far as the KJV goes, the word "rapture" is not found. In fact, I am not aware of a Bible that does use the word. For the sake of all levels of Bible students, we should try to use Bible words whenever possible: Words that can be looked up in Bible Dictionaries.

Sadly, the word "rapture" is more than just semantics. It has become known as the "rapture doctrine."

We don't fly into the air in these flesh bodies to meet the Lord and Savior; we will spiritually all be changed BEFORE this particular meeting will take place ( 1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

The point of the initial statement was that this meeting between the Lord and His "chosen" ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13) will happen at the 7th Seal, and the 7th Trumpet, and the 7th Vial; and not any time before.

You don't want to be the first one taken! ( Matthew 24:40-41, Luke 17:34-36)

Jesse the argument is not whether or not the resurrection (rapture) will occur. It is the timing of the resurrection that is at issue here.

Pre tribbers almost never seem to use this scripture since it tells us when the timing of the resurrection is.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

The LAST TRUMP I know of is the 7th trump or trumpet at the end of the tribulation in the book of revelation.

There is no last trump prior to the tribulation.

Some try to deny trump and trumpet are different.

Websters Dictionary 1828: TRUMP, noun

1. A trumpet; a wind instrument of music; a poetical word used for trumpet. It is seldom used in prose, in common discourse; but is used in Scripture, where it seems peculiarly appropriate to the grandeur of the subject.

At the last trump; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised. 1 Corinthians 15:52. 1 Thessalonians 4:16

John,

First of all, the rapture is taught in the Bible; it is just a matter of semantics. 1 Thessalonians 4:17 says concerning the rapture: Then we who are living and remaining shall be caught up together with them in the clouds for a meeting of the Lord in the air.

The phrase shall be caught up is translated from the Greek word HARPADZO, which means to be caught up, to be snatched, to be seized. The Latin translation of the same Greek word is RAPTUS, which is where we get the word rapture from. So whether you call it the rapture, or the HARPADZO, or say shall be caught up, it is all talking about the same thing.

Bible quiz pass or fail and if you get a zero ask yourself this.

Do we really understand the nature of the Lord?

1. Does the Lord love everyone?

2. Does the Lord deceive people for any reason?

Scriptures only please

Most will likely fail this quiz.

We are all sinners.

Influence the sinner with the words of God and good works.

Lead by example.

Jesus came for sinners.