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Jesus words at John 10:30 have been clarified completely by John 17:22. Their oneness is by purpose and not by Godhead, as what the Scriptures completely described.

Jesus and his Father Jehovah God are one in purpose, as what he would like to reflect at John 10:30. This text stands also as a clarificatory context.

If the thief knew me then he would have an abundant life and would have no need or desire to do these things.

It is clear here that,Almighty father doesn't want to go astray..He is the provider and the creator,soHe knows every one of US...

Jesus, or, " Yeshua ", is called "The Son ofGod" having to do with His corporeal birth into the material world, in time and space. Otherwise it is clear there is no distinction between He, and the Father. - Also, His self description of, "Son of Man", is origined we see in Daniel chapter 7, verse 13. Now, St. Paulstated concerning the Father, that, "In Him we live and move and have our being", taken from a Greek tribute. In that regard, there is nothing that is not part of God, we must realize! He holds the atomic structures together, and we are all within and part of Him.

Wanted to say, "Jehovah" is an English translation of something different... For one.
For another I also wanted to say that with respect to persecution, such as during the Iron Curtain years... all believers helped one another in love. No matter what their particualar denomination or Christian faith. - Regarding what I stated about the Angelic, it puts anew slant on the parable of the Good Shepherd. We came from the Heavenlies in origins, from where Jesus left to come to a sin filled world, to rescue what was lost, regarding the Fall. He has rescued us through His sacrificial atonement, leaving us free to be people of God in heart, Conscience, and Faith.

Jesus is the Son of God

Jesus"s wish is for us to have a fulfilling and abundant life, but we can't get that if we don't come to him.

John 10:27......God identify his own through their obedience, you should not accept any other voice except your father's because God honors His word. When you hear the voice of the LORD, you can not loose direction and all will be well with you with your family and friends. Hearkening to obey fully the voice of God attract favor that brings victory. When you hear the voice of God and obey you are in fellowship with God and goodness and mercy is all around you.

Not only did jesus say I am the way the truth and the life no man cometh to the father but by me. this lines up with John 10:9 where jesus says Im the door by me if any man enter he shell be saved and go in and out and find pasture.Also John 6:44, Mark 16:16,and Acts 2:38 So through his resurrection [JESUS] We live through baptism in the name of jesus christ we die to sin. Rom 6:6 Rom 14:7 Gal 2:20 And 2Cor 5:15 never forget Eph 5:2 therefor as 2Cor 2:14,15.

Yes it is true the Godhead is a mystery however in many scriptures Christ identifies Himself as God.
John 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah says it best of all.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

If Jesus is God, so who resurrected Jesus? Jesus is not God, whose name is Jehovah; but he is the Son of God. Jehovah resurrected Jesus from the dead. Romans 10:9.

According John 1:1-3, Jesus was never an angel. He had been with God the father even before the heavens and earth were created. Moreover none of the angels can say: "I and my Father are one." John 10:30, Hebrews 1:5, 13.

@Muhammad Kalam,
Yes Jesus died on the cross, but that is not where it ends. HE ROSE AGAIN (from the dead) on the third day. Unlike other "gods" that men worshipped, Jesus rose from the dead. The others are still dead. In John 10, Jesus is telling the people that He is the son of God and even though He has said and shown who He is through the works He has done in His Father's name, there will still be some who will still not believe in HIM. And, that is unfortunate. However, those that hear His voice and know Him, He will also know them before His Father in eternity and recognize them on judgment day.

What does the Bible say about suicide?

Verses 12-14 have a heading spiritual immaturity in the New King James. The bible is clearly saying when we are saved and reborn, we have a lot to learn from the oracles of God also known as the torah or the Old Testament. So, anyone thinking that the new covenant did away with the 10 commandments needs to read Acts 21:24, John 10:15, 2 Timothy 3:15-16, 2 Peter 1:20, Mark 2:28, Mathew 7:21-23, Mark 7:6-9. At the time of the oracles or scriptures mentions, there was no New Testament. The only law nailed to the cross is Sacrificial and Ceremonial. The Moral Law (10 commandments) were written in stone because they are forever. John 14:10 says if ye love me keep my commandments. So why would he make them void after saying this? Would Jesus really say it's ok to have false gods? Kill, steal, commit adultery, bear false witness? That what doing away the OLD LAW means. The new covenant is no animal sacrifice or circumcision and other ceremonial law and tempering the moral laws and scriptural doctrine with love and compassion. Something the Pharisees lacked. That’s why he called their teaching bad leaven, or leaven to be avoided.

What is the difference between “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” and “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God's”. The second would correspond with Proverbs 8, and denotes two separate and distinct entities. Whether Jesus' beginning was from everlasting does not matter. What matters is that he has a beginning in God terms. Let us create man in our own image does not mean trinity. It simply goes to prove the point that God will not do a new thing without first revealing it to His prophets, angels (remember there was no issue of fallen angels then!). God has asked - who is my equal and to whom can you compare me? John 10:30 is often quoted out of context. One has to read the whole chapter to understand what Jesus meant. Simply put God gave Him the authority to exercise that power on His behalf.

I do believe Jesus Himself speaks of the lake of fire in Revelation several times. But no one is cast in there until his return and they are given another chance to accept Him as Lord and saviour. And follow the true Ten Commandments not the catholic version that replaced Sunday for Saturday. Those who believe Jesus nailed the commandments to the cross are deceived. The ceremonial and sacrificial laws were nailed to the cross but not the Moral law. That is why he said If you love me keep my commandments, I have kept my father’s commandments and many will worship Me in vain teaching doctrines of men for commandments. I paraphrased a lot there but in Luke 6:46 he says why call me Lord and not do what I say. Nowhere in the bible is Sunday transferred as the Sabbath. Luke 4:4, He says we are to live by every word that comes out of the mouth of God. The bible is God’s word. Circumcision is well documented on its absolution. So why not Sunday taking over from Saturday? Because it hasn't, in John 10:35, Jesus says the scripture cannot be broken. Daniel 7:25 tells us the beast will change ties and laws and wear out the saints. The Dark Age period Christians keeping the 7th day as Jesus did, were killed for 1260 years. The Catholic Church passed the law to do it and they did. Research canon Law XX1X.

@Sister Linda Susan,
Jesus was called Emmanuelle (God among us). Jesus says also My Father and I are one. Jesus taught us not just by what He said but also what He did. He was teaching us to have a relationship with our heavenly Father. I can't recall what verse but Jesus also calls himself "I AM" the same name Moses is told to tell Jews who sent him. When Jesus says His sheep hear His voice he is saying that like the people in the synagogue who rejected him many people till He returns will also not understand the scripture both Old and New Testaments will be a mystery. This non understanding leads to believing in false Sabbaths and holy days (traditions of men). He warns us again about the deception many believe in Mark 7:6-9. There are two kinds of Christians Jesus says those that call him Lord prophecy, do wonders and cast out demons in his name but he won't know them. And there are the true believers who hear his voice and obey his commandments. There are articles with bible scripture proving how Satan has deceived many Christians, most wonderful people but deceived nonetheless. I urge you to pray that your eyes are opened so that the truth be revealed to you. God bless.

I've heard that in the Greek edition of the New Testament it says "I am a son of God." The King James translators put the word "the" in front of son.

This is a picture of a Christian that lives the presence of God and defends himself from sin. Wounded devil John 10:10. Need someone to help him out. The only one that can help out of sin is JESUS CHRIST.

Verse 18; No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Jesus from the moment of creation had eternal life. He has the power to raise the dead to life again. Jesus, the Son of God, is not a coward and does not fear death. When he prayed that the burden be lifted from him it was, not fear of pain or death. Jesus feared being Sin, as he had to become the Sin of Christians and kill it on the cross. In that way his followers were cleansed. Jesus knew that the moments before death when he became sin that God, his father, would reject him. That separation from God is what Jesus feared. That is the pain that is unbearable. Jesus proved he became Sin when he shouted out, asking My God why has thou forsaken me? This is the lie Satan wanted the world to hear, to spread doubt in the minds of mankind. If God rejected Jesus then everything Jesus taught is a lie. God rejected Sin, not his Son Jesus.

A strong thought here why would God talk to himself, Jesus was not crazy, God is not neither. He did not have a split personality. Jesus said the father is greater than I. Greater means plural more than one great greater. Please open your bible to John 14:28 and help me understand this reasoning that Jesus is his father first born. God and Jesus do not play games, they have no split personality sicknesses. John 5:36 he said the father sent him here. I am thinking Jesus said clearly his father sent him. God can do anything, God does not have to pretend he is Jesus and act like a split personality like a sibling. God and Jesus do not talk to themselves and confuse people. We must understand the devil knows the scriptures inside out. In John 20:17, Jesus was talking to a person there, Jesus does not lie. Jesus saith unto her touch me not for I am not yet ascended to my father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my father, and your father: and to my God, and your God. Does everyone think Jesus was crazy? Jesus told the people in John 14:10, Jesus said the father is in him and he is in the father, but here again Jesus says I speak not of myself: but the father that dwelleth in me. Jesus takes no credit for the things he did but said the father doeth the works, the holy spirit speaks, comes in people but they are not the holy spirit. I cover this message with the blood of Jesus. Amen.

The gospel according to John centers it's thoughts on intimate relationship. The hope is that we will recognize the importance of having, and the need to have the kind of relationship with God, that the Son has! After all, these works and greater shall we be able to do through intimate relationship with God The Father, through God the Son!

To Muhammed Kalid, my friend you are mistaken. Isaiah 9 Clearly states "unto us a child is given, unto us a Son is born... and you shall call him Wonderful, Counselor, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace". This verse clearly describes Jesus the "child given" as the everlasting Father. Jesus himself in John 8:58 refers to Himself as "I Am" as used in the book of Exodus. In John 10:30 Jesus says "I and my Father are one". In Revelation Chapter 3 Jesus refers to himself as the Alpha and the Omega, with no beginning and no end. Only Almighty God has no beginning. Even the Qur'an states that Jesus is the greatest prophet. I do not for a moment disrespect Muhammad in saying this. You may check for yourself. May God be with you and continue to open your heart to Him.

It is interesting that 2000 years since His first Advent, they are still struggling with Jesus being God. They called it blasphemy then, and would do so now. Yet in His second Advent He will come riding on the clouds, and all kindred on earth will see Him, and they will wail for Him whom they pierced. Receive the Son today, and He will be your Savior. May the risen Lord bless you this Holiday Season.

According to the Christians, Jesus Christ (peace be upon him) is God. And similarly Jesus Christ (pbuh) was crucified and died. So what I want say that's (according to the Christians), Almighty God had died. Imagine, Almighty God, He had crucified! He had died!

Make of these what you will: I hope you find your way. Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father) full of grace and truth. John 10:30 I and my Father are one. 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Like a lot of you, I have struggled with the understanding of the Holy Trinity. I sometimes think of the hymn Abide In Me (I believe that is the title) with the line "God in three persons, blessed Trinity" it plainly is saying that God is also the Son and Holy Spirit. A local pastor who had gained some widespread renown, said, God the Father is all there is, The Holy Spirit is all we will feel, and Jesus is all we will ever see. For now this works for me until someone convinces me differently. But isn't the reality of everything based on the love we have for Him in our hearts and the salvation of everlasting life as the promise?

Jesus was God in the flesh. Read John 1:1,14. Oh the beauty of the "One God" revelation !!!