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An individual's salvation being predestinated is wholly unbiblical. The teaching makes the Bible contradict itself and in such cases you know you have something wrong as the Bible does not contradict itself. * John 15:16&17 KJV Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained (appointed) you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit ,and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you. These things I command you, that ye love one another.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. So you see, we must believe in Him and never get the mark of the beast or deny Him and we will all be in heaven. funny thing is God already knows all, so that being said...He already knows who will or will not choose Him. He will never leave us or forsake us till His will be done and are all saved. We turn from Him and forsake Him. choose wisely ppl for you never know when it is your time. In the blink of an eye. That split second could be your last. I for one aint taken that chance in being wrong. It's a no brainer! all these little unimportant things in life are a waist of time. BELIEVE AND RECEIVE..!

Another commandment in addition to the blood on the door posts in Egypt and the scarlet thread was they had to remain in the house. The scarlet thread and blood did no good if they went outside their house. I liken this to we have to keep the commandments of Christ and abide in his house or the blood will not avail anything. St. John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Dear Predestination,

I'm going to take John 15:26 first, and this is one that has been taken out of context to show that God predestines people to heaven or hell.

Jesus says, You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: So people use this text as a text to show that predestination, that God chooses people to be saved, and that He chooses some to not be saved.



The problem is that the Greek word for chosen here, and please keep in mind that He's talking to his apostles, the final 11 or 12 that are with Him, and it's the same word used in Luke 6:13 that has a do with the Lord choosing the apostles from out of the disciples and that is what the text means in context.



He hasn't chosen them to be saved and leaving everybody else to be lost. He has chosen these apostles from out of His disciples. So these people were already His disciples but He made choices who would step up and become the apostles.

I am off to bed. I will look at the other verses and respond tomorrow.

Hello, thank you for this reply! it really helped me understand some verses. But what about verses such as John 15:16, or Proverbs 16:4 and Romans 9:22-23? these verses seem to say that God predestines us from my understanding.

Hi Danny.

When it comes to Power you have none apart from what is granted by the Holyspirit.

John 15:5.

I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Luke 24:49.

And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

Praying in Jesus name

1John 2:27,

John 14:13,14, John 16:23,

Luke 11:2-13, Matthew 6, Matthew 7:7-12, John 15:7,16, 1John 3:22, 1John 5:14,15,

Matthew 18:19, Matthew 21:22,

James 1:5, Matthew 6,

Hopefully these are even more helpful, straight from GOD's book,

John 17,

No Martha, the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one & self-same Spirit. We understand this because of the Deity of the Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit is a vital Person within the Godhead, or Trinity), & by the procession of the Spirit (i.e. the Spirit proceeding from both the Father & the Son, without any change or division in God's Nature).

a. the Spirit's Deity.

Proven by His Names (Equality: 1 Corinthians 6:11; Doing the Work of God: Romans 8:15; John 14:16).

Proven by His Characteristics (All-knowing: 1 Corinthians 2:10,11; Everywhere: Psalm 139:7; All-powerful: Genesis 1:2; Truth: 1 John 5:6; Holiness: Luke 11:13; Life: Romans 8:2; Wisdom: Isaiah 40:13).

Proven by His Works (In creation: Genesis 1:2; Inspiration: 2 Peter 1:21; Begetting Christ: Luke 1:35; Convincing men: John 16:8; Regenerating: John 3:5,6; Comforting: John 14:16; Interceding: Romans 8:26,27; Sanctifying: 2 Thessalonians 2:13).

Proven by His equality with the Father & Son ( Acts 5:3,4; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14).

b. the Spirit's Procession.

Proceeded from the Father ( John 15:26).

Proceeded from the Son ( Galatians 4:6; Romans 8:9; John 16:7).

So, I hope you can see that the Holy Spirit, whether spoken of God or of Jesus, is the same Spirit, for He is one with the Father & the Son. Then when we come to 1 Corinthians 12:13, "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit", again the one & same Holy Spirit is seen here, but we now see His special work where His coming into our lives, affects our spirits and baptizes us (brings us into union) with the whole family of God (into one Body, i.e. of Christ).

Part 8.

Jesus says in John 15:1-2 "my Father is the husbandman." Vine dresser"

This emphasizes fruit barring is a work of the Holyspirirt, not of you.

Let's consider that for a moment, FRUIT IS NOT GIFTS AND IT'S NOT SERVING AND IT'S NOT BY COMMAND.

So, when we come across these scriptures John 13:34-35. Mattthew 7:20. 1 John 2:11. 1 John 4:20. these are the marks of a Christian and is the ONLY way they are identified! And if you cannot be Identified by this you have John 15:6 to deal with.

Your faithfulness, intelligence, commitment, being noble, teaching, serving is all good but you're not identified as a Christian by none of these and can be told I "NEVER" knew you! Matthew 7:22-23.

Let's be clear on the recipient of this love that validates our position.

We are to love everyone, but our validation is specifically towards the Brothern.

The passages in 1 John speaks expressly about HATING you Brother.

God is truth, God is light, and God is Love. We are to worship God in truth and in Spirit. When the truth is spoken it shines light on darkness, and those in darkness hates the light and they will hate you!

HUMILITY.

Another fruit with great virtue. Woks of the law couldn't bring this either. It brought pride!

Being connect to the genuine vine brings humility. Look at what the Lord tells the Pharisees in Matthew 21:33-44. Right away you see the contrast of the two vines. Israel was to be a vine, but they became a degenerate vine. Jeremiah 2:9.

Now, place your attention on vs 43. Therefore, say I unto you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The Church) Peter calls the Church a Holy nation in 1 Peter 2:9.

Humility cast out pride doesn't it. We tend to want to place our spirituality on things we do, putting ourselves on display and pointing people towards us instead of Christ.

more to come.

Its Christ faith were saved by not ours!

See part 9.

Psalms 24:1, ._.The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell there in"

the Lord meaning.. Yhvh = translated, The proper name of GOD of Israel = Eternal 2. Jehovah 'Jewish name'

Earth = earth, land, nations, wilderness, world,

Exodus 9:29,

1Corinthians 10:26 "For the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof.'' the Lord's meaning 1. Supreme in authority, 2. Controller 3. supremacy, master,

Chris gave you great scripture but I want to point to the bigger more complete picture.

Ephesians 6:12, world = aion translated = an age, 1Corinthians 2:6, 1Corinthians 1:20,

John 15:19, meaning translated = kosmos= orderly arrangement, 2. The world including it's inhabitants, John 3:15-17, 1Corinthians 7:31,

John 1:10, 1John 2:16, Proverbs 29:2,

1John 5:4, John 16:33, 1Corinthians 15:24-28, John 17, 1John 3:10-16, John 9:5, 1Corinthians 6:2, Genesis 1:28, Luke 22:25-30, Matthew 10:8, Matthew 28:18-20, Luke 9:1-2, Luke 10:9, Mark 16:15-19

2Peter 3:13, Isaiah 65:17, Revelation 21, Ephesians 6:10-18

Hopefully these are helpful in deeper understanding, you can also pray for wisdom, James 1:5,

Part 7.

Fruit barring.

Let's keep these two verses in mind while we go through this section.

Matthew 22:36-37. and 1 John 4:21.

and remember the context in the previous sections.

Notice the highlights!

Jesus answered and said unto him, "IF" a man love/Agape me

( HE WILL ) keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

( He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings and the word which ye hear is not mine but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:23--26.

We've established that Agape is a fruit and can't be achieved by the flesh, "Mans efforts"

Man can not produce the fruit, the vine does. Man is the branch, he bares the fruit. John 15:4-5.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, NEITHER CAN A CORRUPT TREE BRING FORTH GOOD FRUIT.

Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Matthew 7:15-20. When you look at Matthew 7:13-14 the corrupt tree is any other way to God presented in the wide gate. for instance "WORKS"

That's why these often misused verses follows, Matthew 7:22-23.

This is a fruitless deceived group that thought they worked their way into Heaven.

So tell me why isn't the significance of Loving one another sought after and debated above anything else when it's paramount?

Because some know they don't have that love on display and don't bare it.

God bless.

Matthew 6:5-34, Matthew 7:7-27, Matthew 10:29-33, John 14:11-28, John 15, note John 15:16, John 16:23,24,26,27,

Honestly, I've had answered prayer in very immediate dangerous situations, just crying "GOD, help me" possibly even just "GOD" it's possibly because GOD knows if we love Jesus. Romans 8:27,

Hopefully these are helpful

And He loves you!! :D

Matthew 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen.

1 Peter 2:9 - But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

John 15:16 - Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Streetpreacher

1Peter 2:12, I believe it refers to: 1John 3:13, Luke 6:22, John 15:18,

1Peter 4:3,4,5

Hopefully these are helpful

Hi Texsis.

Thanks for replying.

I believe the question is, "is water baptism ESSENTIAL for salvation?" No! It's the Holy spirit that gives life to a sinner dead in trespasses and sin.

Ephesians 1:22- Ephesians 2:1 "And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins."

I was water baptized, it was ritual and pointed to what has already taken place once I believed. I was put into the body of believers by the spirit."

Now whatever good I do is by the power of the Holyspirit. that is what the baptism is all about. A NEW LIFE! The focus is on the resurrection! By which way were we given new life?

Therefore, we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Romans 6:4.

The disciples were given a command to go out teach all nations baptizing them, which was a dispensational teaching. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Matt 28:19.

What we have here is a picture of those being saved grafted into the genuine vine, one that gives life and produces fruit as seen in john 15:1-5. And Paul hammers at this in Romans 11.

The emphasis is on the Holyspirit empowering the believer.

God bless.

Part 3.

In Acts 15 the Disciples have a counsel on whether the Gentiles should be circumcised and keep the law, then Peter stands up to address the matter. Acts 15:7-11. Here you have the apostle Peter "A Jew" saying in verse 11, we Jews shall be saved in the same manner as the Gentiles! (By faith) "He's declaring "we jews have to come to the Lord by a new covenant".

This is the new birth spoken by Jesus in John 3:5 when speaking to Nicodemus. This is that which is spoken in

Jeremiah 31:31-34.

So here we have a new birth that provides a new nature that is generated by the Holyspirit. You see aspects of this in

Romans 6:1-23. Also, this is what is meant in John 4:21-24.

Here we have the quickening spirit by the second Adam that gives life under a new covenant where the old covenant brought death to the fleshly descendants of the first Adam. 1 Corinthians 15:45-50. and 2 Corinthians 5:1-6.

Ephesians 2:1-5 sums it up.

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

"AGAIN We're not talking about "Justification" we're talking about sanctification. Romans 5:1-21 handles justification.

GRAFTED INTO THE VINE BY THE RESURECTION OF CHRIST.

John 15:1-5.

Romans 6:6.

Now take these chapters in order-

Romans 6:1-23.

Romans 7:1-25.

Romans 8:1-39.

We are Justified and Sanctified by the blood of Christ and given a new nature under a new covenant that bares fruit by the power of the Holyspirit.

God bless.

Part 1

Here is a very important truth that is not discussed often and one that can tie a lot of loose ends.

What does works of the flesh and the works of law have in common? And how does it contrast Fruit of the Spirit. And what does baptism "Not water baptism" has to do with it?

When talking about salvation we like to consider verses like John 3:16. Romans 10:9. and others. But what does born from above spoken by Jesus in John 3:7 means and how should the new birth effect the believer in a way the old nature could not?

Here's just a few reference verses.

Galatians 2:16. Galatians 5:19-21.

Galatians 5:22-24. John 15:1-6.

John 3:7.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So, then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:1-11.

Chris,

I agree with the way you adressed this topic before. I believe you helped break down the biggest most divisive issue, when there is hypocrisy with abuses & blatant unrepented sins, there is accountability. I believe Jesus clearly taught accountability & old testament usually addressed as within Church / temple & leadership within, also: Isaiah 9:17, Matthew 20:1-19, Luke 20:45-47, Luke 11:39-54, Matthew 23, Isaiah 1:17, Isaiah 1, Isaiah 58, Jeremiah 7:1-17, Jeremiah 22:3, Jeremiah 34:8-12 ._..

I believe you Chris or possibly someone else addressed the question we're they ever really saved?

I address this question as to answer the many outside the church who ask because of injustice etc. This site is for those, I believe most of all.

Faith Knight, I also agree with Adam & Chris this is an issue with disagreement. & hesitation is possibly warning. But, I included scripture covering love, meekness in the way, its addressed. John 15:18,24,25, Luke 21:17, Zechariah 13:6,

Count the cost? Luke 14:26-35,

Said in sincerity of Love, through the fellowship of Faith in Jesus Christ

Please read Psalms 37, Matthew 25:31-46, Romans 14:12,

Take heart sister, GOD knows & it's all through the Bible that HE cares about how people are treated. Especially in HIS Church: Matthew 23:13

Matthew 23, Mark 7:6, John 15:18, Matthew 7:15-27,

Read Also: Romans 12, whole chapter

Hopefully these help & encourage you, also guide you to keep on smiling & blessing,

Talking about Prophesy... Rev. 19 : 10 I am of thy fellow servants and of thy brethren that have the Testimony of Jesus.

.....Worship God..For the Testimony of Jesus is the SPIRIT OF PROPHECY

..... John 15: 26...But when he the Comforter is come whom i will send to you from the Father, even the spirit of truth from the Father he will TESTIFY OF ME...So we see that the H.G. The Comforter IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY.

....Whats the meaning of all this, it simply means that under this New Covenant , He wants to give us the Comforter which is the H.G that is greater then any Prophet and is God...The H.G. is that Child of Promise...The multiplication of very God in humanity.

....And the H.G. is the gift of God as Jesus said and the only Gift we will ever need...And is the spirit of Prophecy

......When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my Father upon you that was the Gift of the H.G...That New Covenant Gift the spirit of Prophecy....This is also the manchild the H.G. that we are gonna birth via his good seed the word that will rule all nations.....To whom the word came it made them Gods and this scripture cannot be broken...As Jesus said

....This Gift of God and the New Covenant is beyond mans Comprehension...The Prophets saw it and wondered what manner of love has the father bestowed upon US....That we should becalled the sons of God impling absolute sons like Jesus was an absolute Son...God Almighty....Remember God swore by himself when he made that Promise of Multiplication of Christ.

....Behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....And initiates a New Covenant in his Blood....I will know them ALL from the least to the greatest...If i be lifted up ( his blood ) I will draw ALL men unto me..

....This New Covenant is all inclusive and Mans carnal minds cannot Comprehend it....The thieves and harlots and whormongers are gonna be there simply b/c there is no sin too strong for his Blood..In Adam we ALL died but in Christ we will ALL live. GB.

What does works of the flesh and works law have in common? And how does it contrast Fruit of the Spirit. And what does baptism "Not water baptism" has to do with it?

Here's just a few reference verses.

Galatians 2:16. Galatians 5:19-21.

Galatians 5:22-24. John 15:1-6.

See you this weekend.

God bless

Dear Mary,

I welcome you to this site. I just want to assure you that You can pray to our God directly.

1 Timothy 2 :5-6 tells us that there is one Mediator between God and man, the Man Jesus Christ, who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time."

Jesus, at the Last Supper, instructed His disciples this way: "You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed that you should go and bear fruit, and that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My name He may give you."

John 15:16

And in Hebrews 8:1 it says:

"Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of throne of the Majesty in the heavens."

And in Hebrews 7:24 it speaks of the priests of the Old Covenant compared to Jesus' priesthood:

"Also there were many priests because they were prevented by death from continuing. But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood Therefore He is able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them."

Mary, you do not need to pray to Mary or anyone else but God according to these Scriptures. Mary or any other saint would not receive your prayers because they know that Jesus is the only Mediator. They honor only Jesus. We can certainly ask other believers to pray for us, but this is a request we make to those who are still alive in this life. '

Do not be discouraged, trust in Jesus. Our Great God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, hears all of our prayers and we have Jesus' promise that our prayers are heard and answered by the Father according to His prefect will. Jesus is always making intercession for us to the Father. He is the best and foremost person we are to make our requests known to. The Holy Spirit even helps us in our praying ( Romans 8:26-27)

Therefore , the whole Godhead works to answer our prayers.

I encourage you to stay with us and continue learning from God's Word.

The Bible speaks to to salvation from sins and atonement for sins which is of grace for we had a debt we could not pay. When the Bible talks of eternal salvation it speaks of works. Some of the verses...... Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Luke 10:28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live. (if he was alive was he saved?) John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. (if we don't abide in his love are we saved?) Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Matthew 19:16,17 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (if we haven't enter into life, are we saved?) James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (Read this chapter carefully. We want it to say that works are a result of salvation. I understand it to say that faith without works is dead for salvation). Rahab did nothing to have the opportunity to be saved (of grace), but she had to respond properly (stay in the house) to be saved. It might be beneficial to differentiate between the works of the law (which no flesh shall be justified) and the works and teachings of Jesus. The lawgiver proceeded out of Juda, not Levi. Genesis 49:10

Hello,

I know Christians tonight who will commit fornication. I know Christians who will be out partying tonight, getting drunk, possibly doing drugs. Some will lie, some may steal, some may assault others. They do this because they hear the watered down gospel and are told that they're already saved, that they're already in the book of life, so their actions are irrelevant, they assume.

Every Sunday when they go to church they then hear the same verses you shared which reassures them that they're totally fine following the pleasures of the world and can enjoy all the benefits of sin they wish, like an all you can eat buffet. But is that why Jesus died on the cross- so His followers can use that as a free hall pass to commit unlimited sin and evil? The Bible already says the answer is no.

So, everyone giving only part of the story of salvation and omitting the importance of obedience is doing a grave disservice. People will go to hell over this and people should actually fear God like it says in Matthew 10:28. But people are afraid of offending someone, that they withhold the truth. Did Jesus withhold the truth so no one was offended? Did Paul?

But what about offending God and offending Jesus? Those who don't obey and who sin is like slapping Jesus in the face.

I'm offended that people are withholding Bible verses from those who need to hear them the most. I am offended at false teachings.

The fact is Jesus gave lots of commandments. Do we truly love Jesus enough to follow them?

John 13:34

John 15:12

John 15:10

John 14:15

Deuteronomy 11:22

1 John 2:15 "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him."

The above verse should scare the daylights out of people who are currently loving and following the world. It should scare them to death and be the hugest wake up call. The end is near and time is short to get right with God. It won't happen automatically.

God bless.

I came across this scripture John 15:19 has said do not have nothing to do with his world how far do you go with that do not have nothing to do with this world when you wake up every morning you serve Jesus 5% 10% 20%, 30% or what like to have information on this if I did this incorrect I apologize please forgive me any information would be good thank you

J. D. Riles:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of KNOWLEDGE .......

Most DO NOT have knowledge of the Kingdom of God.

Ephesians 4:4 ......ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT ......

Ephesians 4:6 ....ONE GOD and Father of ALL ....above ALL ....through ALL ....and IN YOU ALL .......

John 14:6 ....I AM TRUTH .....I AM LIFE ......

John 17:21 That they may be ONE; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in you: that they may ALSO BE ONE IN US .....

Christ is a BODY that HOLDS the LIFE of his Father.

John 5:19 ....the SON can do NOTHING of himself ....

John 5:30 ...I can of mine own self DO NOTHING .....

WE are a BODY that HOLDS CHRIST (the life and truth of our Father).

John 15:5 .... for without me you can do nothing .....

What happen at the CROSS of Calvary?

Sinful flesh was crucified (all mankind died that day); three days latter all mankind was raised a NEW CREATION.

Matthew 8:22 ...let the dead bury the dead ......

They now have the LIFE OF CHRIST:

BUT they have NO KNOWLEDGE.

1 Timothy 4:16 Who (Christ) ONLY hath immortality dwelling in the LIGHT .....

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God GIVETH IT (the new creation) a body as it hath PLEASED HIM: and to every SEED HIS (Christ's) OWN BODY.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in YOU ....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that WORKETH IN YOU (his BODY) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

To be BORN AGAIN is to come to TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE and LIFE.

Christ is the LIFE IN YOU, and Christ CANNOT SIN.

Revelation 12:9... and Satan who deceiveth the whole world was cast out ....

You are either the TEMPLE of SATAN: dwelling in deception, with no knowledge.

OR:

You are the TEMPLE of God: dwelling in truth and light and the LIFE OF CHRIST.

Psalms 82:6 For I have said: Ye are gods, the children of the most high.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks to the God of gods .....

We die daily to deception and are daily being born again of truth.

God Bless you!

Christ followers can and should be confident in their future salvation when they are following Christ, but satan absolutely loves OSAS, because he deceives people into assuming they don't need to take any action to follow Christ. He even convinces people that doing good is bad and bad is good- satan's signature of opposites.

Jesus gave plenty of warnings about this exact topic through parables and verses like this: Matthew 7:21. People who assume otherwise have to ignore most of the new testament's warnings and conditional statements: If... then... Rom 10:9, John 15:10. Even satan and demons believe in God and Jesus. Jesus said most people will go to hell and gave us Christians plenty of warnings. Jesus said to fear God the father. Matthew 10:28

Most of Paul's writings were to Christians in churches he was concerned about as they were going astray. He didn't tell them: just do whatever, and don't worry about obeying Jesus, because it doesn't matter. No, quite the opposite. Satan loves people not trying though. Paul said to run the race. Some Christians interpret this as "don't run any race, because it doesn't matter."

Nowhere in the Bible does it say that people who aren't following Christ have assurance of salvation. And nowhere in the Bible does it say we're saved now on earth right after saying a prayer and before Jesus comes and before we even face judgment. This seems to be the epitome of man-made doctrine not from the Bible. I welcome anyone to share any scripture that says this, because I hear it a lot, but never seen anything in the Bible saying that.

Happy to have a respectful dialog with any other perspective, but the Bible is clear what it says. Obeying Jesus is good and disobeying is bad. Those who disobey may not be Christ followers and don't have assurance of salvation. John 14:15. Also anyone can commit blasphemy of the holy spirit, which clearly says is unforgiveable, which alone debunks OSAS theory.

Dear God, Please help JB pay his rent. Please provide work for him. We praise You and glorify You. We know it's Your will to work if we are able to do so. Thank You Lord in advance! We ask it in Jesus name. Amen



A word of encouragement for you;

John 15:9

John 13:13-14

Hi everyone with Godly thoughts :) i love u all in Christ. It was nice to think of "person". A living individual with lots around. Then it also means that men are both man and woman. For since the person does not mean much, then man must mean everything else. And it's big, we are all equal before God. With schemes of course.

Words that come to mind during the day, especially since i have read all the answers you have received here. I guess everyone now understands that we are in the last days. :) OH Jesus Christ is coming soon, let us all have assurance of salvation.

You write Michael: The Earth changed the moment of Jesus's first breath as a human child. He would take all of mankind's sins on himself and pay the penalty for our freedom, from sin.

Quote end. That is exactly what i noted today. Galatians 4:4 Here it is now important to notice the confusion God's people have. Since we are trained in many areas, we go the way we want. In a way. What seems easy to understand. So that we do not have to think so much about where we are on the map, in a way. Although we all strive to come forward. Have my thoughts turned to Why am i left here on earth? With the personality i have. It is if the Lord sees that we do not bear fruit. He will take us home right away. John 15:1-8

The conclusion is that we who are on earth, still have people to save! We never really get bored. We go to work day after day. And as long as we bear fruit, we have a duty to the Lord! That is the meaning of our lives. Maybe some days we do not see this. Then it's good to come here on the web and see that your friends, siblings, are still here. We stack ourselves towards the goal that lies in the heart. Everyone, have confidence in this!

God bless us all in Jesus name, He will lead us to the whole truth. Amen

There's Judgment for sinners and There's chastening for believers.

Ether way I don't wish this on no one!

Hebrews 10:26-31.

That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.

If there's no damnable consequences why preach?

We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!

It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.

If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.

Here's what that heresy looks like .

They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.

It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!

Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.

It says Jesus died in vain!

It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.

They look at John 3:16. and

John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.

There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.

Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "

.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and Fire.

That's their Goodnews/Gospel.

They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.

Romans 10:15.

Mark 16:15.

God bless."

There's Judgment for sinners and There's chastening for believers.

Ether way I don't wish this on no one!

Hebrews 10:26-31.

That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.

If there's no damnable consequences why preach?

We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!

It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.

If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.

Here's what that heresy looks like .

They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.

It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!

Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.

It says Jesus died in vain!

It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.

Thet look at John 3:16. and

John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.

There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.

Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "

.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and Fire.

That's their Goodnews/Gospel.

They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.

Romans 10:15.

Mark 16:15.

God bless.