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This passage of scripture explains to me, that in the last days on earth terrible things would take place, that if your not prayed up, staying in the word of God to know the false prophet 's, people that do know the word but they deceive you. Their like wolves in sheep skin. They appear to be Christlike, but are worshippers of Satan. Even our own children, some will be used by Satan to kill there own parents. Children will disobey parents. Nothing will happen in this world that is already fore told in the bible to prepare us for the last day 's. God wants us to be wise in the things that will come on earth that may seem good, but are evil and comes from Satan. Most of this chapter is for filling itself at this very time in life as I speak. This is just the beginning of sorrows in this world. Some will want to die to escape the fate of trials that will come upon the earth, but the bible says, they will not be able to escape the prophecy told. If you are a child of God, he will rapture us up, from this evil source that will take over the world. The children of God will be hated by many, and so many will be killed because of their belief in Jesus Christ. The bible must fulfill what is written.

I do not understand. This chapter is talking about the end of the world. In verse 30, Jesus is telling his listeners that it will happen in their lifetimes. The end of the world should have come by now but it hasn 't. Could someone clarify this for me, please?

i think it is referring to the Twin Towers. First let no man deceive you...911 is the deception of our times. Also talking about the great buildings falling and leaving no stone upon another. Real science doesn 't support the official story. We have been deceived.

I believe vs 32 is simply that the day Jesus returns to gather his people will be Gods decision. I hope not to offend any because I have seen out and out near "knock down drag outs " concerning the trinity, but I believe that God and Jesus are 2 separate beings, God Jesus and the Holy spirit makes them one. We read that Jesus is in heaven interceding for us, not to himself but to God. I believe when the time is right, the creator of all things God will tell Jesus to come and get us, but he 's not willing that any should perish so he is merciful and waits. I have a nephew and to look at him, is as looking at his father, its hilarious and adorable, but they are 2 separate individuals, i believe that Jesus is so pure and righteous and wonderful like God that they are one in a sense, to see one is to see the other, they share the same mercy the same thoughts the same intent and the same spirit, but I cannot get angered at those that strongly believe in the Trinity, its a waste of strength and time that could be better spent in serving, I simply feel God will make the final decision and his perfect son is in agreement with everything the father wants. its beautiful

already these things are done at present already the Gods kingdom came to world

this is concerning Satan who Christ came to destroy death and the devil

It is important to preach the Good news of God s Kingdom Who s doing that Today Hardly any Christian religions follow Jesus pattern set Jehovah s Witnesses have been preaching due to their love and obligation to God It is apart of their worship to Him

This should read when you see the desolator standing where he ought not in the land of Judea on top of the Mount Zion, flee to the mountains

Just to be in the presence of God. To worship. Leave me alone, let me worship!

Shadrack St. Mark 9:7 And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him. We as men flesh and bone what joy can a father have more than the time he spends teaching his son?
St. John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.(before the world was) This is an eternal relationship between a Father and his Son and for this very reason Jesus Christ is the Son; the Word of God.
St. Matt 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Josh. 5:15 And the captain of the LORD'S host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so. This is the Holy Ghost
St. Mark 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
The Godhead is one purpose, one mind; but I believe this is what separates the Father the Way of God, which he teaches too his Son the Word of God, and the Holy Ghost who fulfills the Will of God.
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Rev. 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
Rev. 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
Rev. 5:7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

Brent 1 Cor. 15:39-40 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
St. Luke 13:30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.
St. Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

what view do you have on verse 32 about Jesus not knowing the time of his coming.considering the Godhead.

To Lowell, If Jesus , by his own admission, doesnt know when the end was coming,and the angels, who are far above humans dont know, how could you know? Matt24:36, Mark 13:32

When Jesus said pray that your flight be not in winter or on the Sabbath day, He was speaking to pregnant women in the tribulation period. This period begins with the 70th weeks of years in Daniel's prophecy which starts with the signing of the seven year peace treaty. The Antichrist comes to power when he signs what is referred to as a covenant with death and hell with Israel. Jesus said blessed the wombs that did not bare, because it will be very difficult for pregnant women in those days. This is not applicable today, but only during the tribulation period which will last seven years. Then the Messiah returns to set up His Kingdom.

I may be reading too much into this text, Mark 13:2, but there are stones still left from the Temple, today in Israel there are tours of the remains.

So I guess it could be the translation of "not one stone..." and focus on the bigger message that Christ is the new temple resurrected? But it bugged me which is why I'm searching for commentary.

can you give your thought on verse 18 about not be in winter you always think winter of your life as the end years and the verse befor spoke of babys I was thinking it is better to be young because we are not corroupt of the world yet and being older in the winter we would be set in our beliefs can you give your thoughts

3 life giving spiritual relationships are made desolate by 3 abominations. These are attacks of man to man, man's spiritual to physical nature and man to God. The Great whore is the mother of abominations who indulges in self-service, - Serve God alone -, causing one to live for bread alone, ignoring the Word of God. Pride jumps off the tower, tempting God, by accepting occult power where the Retainer is received, where it ought not to be. The Great whore desolates man to man, beast desolates the spiritual nature by the physical. Revelation 13:13, the Holy Place desolates the sanctuary, the Holy Sepulcher, where the Holy Fire is received. Better bring some oil in your lamps, and endure to the end. This is what it does, and its effects, and where it takes place. We may now be able to heed the warning to flee, when we see it standing.

The parable of the vineyard verses 9-20, is another objective lesson from God using a physical illustration to aid Christians in understanding a spiritual application (for church age) and a doctrinal application (for Jews).
1. God created a vineyard (heavens and earth from the days of creation in genesis one) and let man have dominion over it, and went into a far country (3rd heaven 4000 years);
2. Then God began to send prophets among his people (Jews mainly, 3 prophets=trinity), and of course the religious people (Jews mainly) rejected them;
3. At the appointed time God sent his only begotten son (Jesus Christ) to retrieve the spiritual fruit and set up his kingdom, but the religious people rejected Jesus and crucified him;
4. In verse 16 God destroys Jerusalem in 70 A.D. as foretold in the scriptures ( Mark 13:1,2), that is the end of Israel as a nation until may 14th, 1948;
5. Verses 17, 18 are about salvation and the stone=Jesus Christ who is the head of corner (a pyramid);
6. Whomsoever shall fall on the stone=a person coming to him in humble truth and asking to be saved;
7. Whomsoever the stone shall fall= people who do not come to him in humble truth for salvation will be cast into the lake of fire for everlasting damnation;
8. The Pharisees and Scribes represent religious leaders and people who do not humble themselves before almighty God and receive the absolute truth about the doctrine of Christ (salvation at the cross of Calvary 2 John 9,10).

Has anyone given any thought that Jehovah and Jesus may be two different persons? These scriptures are not understandable if they both are just one. ( John 14:28) . . .If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am. ( Mark 13:32) “Concerning that day or the hour nobody knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but the Father. ( Luke 22:42) . . .“Father, if you wish, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” (If they were one how can they have two wills)? ( John 5:30) I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me. (Two very distinct persons here). In fact, the Bible is peppered with reasoning that Jehovah and Jesus are two very distinct persons). ( Mark 12:28-30) . . .“Which commandment is first of all?”
Verse 29, Jesus answered: “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah,
Verse 30, and you must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength.’
Removing Jehovah’s name from His book opened the door for the prophesied apostasy and it worked very well. Jehovah our Creator got lost in the doctrines of men.

@Elizabeth Lee,
Verse 32- Here again we must know the period of time and which Jesus is making reference to. This is why one must find a good bible believing church to help in the study of the scriptures ( Acts 8:26-35). This is another parable as in all parables that Jesus uses a physical to explain a spiritual.
1. If Jesus is not God, there is no hope of us being saved and we are lost in our sins and destined for eternal hell ( I Corinthians 15:12-19);
2. When Jesus is making reference to the Jews he is known as the son of man (verse 34). Jesus is informing us that we can know the season when we are getting close to the 2nd advent by watching is real (fig tree) and other events in the world;
3. As the son of man he is 100% man and that part of the divine nature was just not privy to the exact day and hour of Christ returns;
4. We are to be in ready mode at all times, this is why it is called living by faith not by sight ( II Corinthians 5:7);
5. There are some of God’s divine nature he chose not to bring with him when he came to earth as our saviour and I suppose this was one of them.

@Shannon,
When reading the gospels, one must remember to rightly divide the bible into periods of time, and knowing the group of people the book, chapter and verse(s) are directed to. This chapter as is Matthew 24, and Luke 21 are mostly prophetic for the Jews in the future, after rapture of church age Christians only. Jesus is talking about what the spiritual and earthly conditions will be like just before the 2nd advent. Some of these prophecies have already began and will increase as we get closer to the 2nd advent. The key verse to understand is verse 14, which directly speaking of the anti-Christ that will break the peace covenant ( Daniel 9:27) with the nation of Israel that was signed about 31/2 years earlier. Then the anti-Christ which came in bringing peace ( Daniel 11:24) will begin to slay the Jews by the millions (about 14 millions) more than twice as many as Hitler did. And they are given here a warning to start fleeing Israel to Selah Petra (present day Jordan) south of the dead sea to escape the slaughter that is going on and where God will divinely provide for them until Christ’s return. The great tribulation time will begin in verse 14, which is what you can read about in Revelation 4:1 (rapture of the Christians) to Revelation 19:11-16 (the 2nd advent).

Does this verse mean the second coming won't happen in the winter or on the Sabbath day?

I will see if I can shed some light on the parable of the vineyard (verses 1 to 16).
1. All parables have dual applications (doctrinal and spiritual);
2. The man is Jesus;
3. Householder is owner of property;
4. Early in morning is first thing;
5. Laborers are the 12 disciples;
6. Vineyard is mission field (world);
7. Penny is the compensation for accepting your new position (child of God) in the mission field (world);
8. Hours is daytime hours ( John 11:9);
9. Watch is nighttime hours ( Mark 13:34-37);
10. In Jewish times, third hours is 09 am, six hours is noon, 11th hour is 5 pm, 6 pm begins the new day on Jewish clock. Remember God used Jews to write the bible.
From early morning to the 11th hour encompasses the church age (approximately 2000 years). When a person receives Jesus as saviour and becomes a child of God regardless if they converted in the 1st century or just before the rapture. All saints in Christ receive equal justification, holy spirit, inheritance, and opportunity for rewards; all under grace and mercy by Jesus Christ. There are certain promises God is giving out equally to all saints of God, regardless how long a person has been saved and what time in church history they lived.

This chapter has made me understand how Jesus wants his children to be aware of his coming and not to give up but should be prepared in mind heart and in spirit, otherwise, that day will come surprisingly. Also I understand that because He was on earth He was flesh like humans and everything He did is what the Father (Spirit) told him to do and since the father did not tell or mention to him about the time of He, the son is coming for judgment, He too obediently did not want and could not say anything because He was flesh at that time, instead of all the three being of the Father to be God the Father God the son and God the Holy spirit. Hence it does not mean Jesus being the God says he doesn't know the time He is coming for the elect children. But just be aware that He is coming very soon as promise and all the signs are already happening. So why won't he come.

It is time to get the full meaning of Bible prophecies.... Daniel 2:44, 1 Peter 3:13, Mark 13:10, etc…

Bebopp. Surely your words are of none else but of someone who never believed in or even understood the faith contained in the bible. I never liked the church much myself either. But if you read the bible where is the churched ever mentioned as an institution of gods law? Where does it say that you should act like or listen to priests? The bible surely is of god but the church surely is not. Some churches might be lead by men and women of faith, some congregations surely have faithful men and women in them. But some or even many might not have a true faithful soul in them. Just cause you go to church doesn't make you free from sin. Anyone who sins knows this. But true faith leads away from sin. Read 1john2 1john2 and 1john3 and understand the message. Understand that truth and gods command only can be found in your own heart. You shouldn't listen to the world, but to your heart, your soul, the spirit god has given you. Your heart knows whats right, so feel it. And only people that are of strong will and righteous character can be people of real faith. Read the following verses. Matthew 24:5, Matthew 7:22-23. Luke 21:8 Mark 13:6. Who do you think they speak of? What does your heart tell you in this matter? So follow your heart in truth and righteousness.

Grant who is your God then if not Jesus as you relied on Mark 13:32?

In Luke 24:45-49 Jesus reminded his disciples of what is written of him concerning his suffering, death and ressurection; that repentance and remission of sins would be preached in his name beginning from Jerusalem. They were to wait in Jerusalem for the Holy Ghost to come upon them in order to witness the word ( Acts 1:7-8). Before his crucifiction Jesus had told his disciples that it was not them that would speak but the Holy Ghost ( Mark 13:11). They were to preach the the Gospel with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven ( 1 Peter 1:12). On the day of pentecost they heard the infallible Holy Ghost speak through the mouth of Peter ( Acts 2:33). In Acts 10:44 it says to him give all prophets witness that through his name whosover believers shall receive remission of sins. On this day of pentecost, after death burial, ressurection and ascension of Jesus, the Holy Ghost witnessed, beginning from Jerusalem, commanding the people to repent and be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their sins and they would receive the gift of the Holy Spirit ( Acts 2:38). God is His own interprater, interpreting the Name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost; for he says in Zechariah 14:9 : And the Lord shall be King over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord and his name one. Thomas called him My Lord and my God ( John 20:28). On this day of Pentecost the Holy Ghost bore witness of His Holy child whom He annointed( Mathew 1:18, Acts 4: 27). Who can add or subtract from what God had began? What He began in the day of pentectost and Jerusalem restores in the Last days: Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ for remission of Sin. The Holy Ghost Church will stay with the command of the Holy Ghost for they know the Apostles were sent the Holy Ghost (13:4) and spake these words at His command.

In Mathew 1:1 Jesus Christ is son of David, son of Abraham. He was made seed of David according to the flesh ( Romans 1:4). He, as seed of Abraham was promised to possess the gates of his enemies. In Abraham's seed all the nations of the earth be blessed ( Genesis 22:17-18). In Mathew 1:18) He is Child of the Holy Ghost. He came down from heaven ( John 3: 13). This Child of the Holy Ghost was the word made flesh, the only begotten of the Father ( John 1:14). The Holy Ghost is the Father. The Holy Ghost and the Father are the self same person. God is a Spirit ( John 4:24) and you must be born of water the Spirit to see the kingdom of God ( John 3:5). God is the Father and He is the Holy Ghost. God was manifest in the flesh ( 1Timothy 3:16) For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham ( Hebrews 1:16). God was manifested in the flesh make atonement for sin and to purchase His church by His own blood ( Acts 20: 28). The Shekinah glory that was in that once filled the temple in Jerusalem took a body of flesh. He became God's Choosen Place of Worship, God's Temple that He choose to put His name, the perfect realisation ofthe old testament temple (Deutromy12:5-11). Jesus was God's temple and the Church is the temple of his body ( John 2:19; Ephesians 5:30; 2:21- 22). The church of Christ, the bride is the mouthpiece of the Holy Ghost for the commission was its not ye that speak but the Holy Ghost ( Mark 13:11) and again what Holy Ghost speaks the true church speaks the same ( Revelation 22:17), for He that is Joined unto the Lord is one Spirit ( 1Corinthians 6:16). Now the Spirit of the Lord that was on Jesus is in His church even as He promised: as for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD, My spirit that is upon thee and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out the mouth of thy Seed's seed, from henceforth and forever( Isaiah 59:21). The witness of the Apostles and prophets in the Bible is the witness of the Holy Ghost, for they were sent by the Holy Ghost ( Acts 13:4) and they preached by the Holy Ghost ( Galatians 1 :11-12). For the church to receive the blessing of Abraham the must stay exacty with the original gospel as Spoken by the Holy Ghost through His apotles

Jacques, It was correct to quote John 1:1. But I noticed you left out verse 18 in that same chapter. Thousands of people SAW Jesus. But my bible says no man has seen God at ANY time. So how can he be God? Also, at Mark 13:32 Jesus by his own addmission says he doen't know everything. How can he be God? Your God's knowedge is limited. My God knows everything.