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John 17:15 "I pray not that THOU shouldest take them out of the world, but that THOU shouldest keep them from the evil"

Note: in 2020 we should not become fearful or overwhelmed by this dreadful hour that is upon mankind, because JESUS (see John 17:15) has prayed for us, thereby GOD shall keep us, so we do not have to know or understand how GOD will keep us, but through FAITH we can be assured this PRAYER OF JESUS for us SHALL be answered by GOD.

John 17:20 neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

Note: this whole PRAYER OF JESUS is both directly & indirectly concern with SALVATION for all mankind, thereby blessed them and us that believed on JESUS according John 3:16-21, thereby our name is written in The BOOK of LIFE ( Revelation 20:15).

Jesus does not expect us to mock the Bible but t to simply look back and some point of our lives should reflect the stories in it.

This duplicated or mocking is not ethical bc it has already been done and we are to walk by faith prophets of phony are what we are to see onend times and trust me thisishere now. The devil attacks ones mind and this a contagious as theflu when eating of same bowl. When he says be aware and sober I do believe he means it

Thank you for replying.

Regarding the Lord Jesus Christ: "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." ( John 1:10-13)

If your precious ones come to trust in Jesus Christ for salvation, they would have God almighty as their loving Father.

John 6:63: " It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

Deuteronomy 23:2

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

What can I do for my 3 children that where born out of wedlock?

In the KJV, are the words "children" and "sons" synonymous?

No where I have found in scriptures nor Apocryphal scriptures ( the ones referred to or quoted from in our Biblical canon) , does it say that demons would be locked up during the Millennial Kingdom ONLY satan. Therefore, all born during this time can still be tested and tried just as all the generations prior. Therefore satan's " short season " or "short time" has little to do with the testing of individual people. In REVELATION 20, he is locked up so he can not decieve the " nation's".

It specifically says in Revelation 20:7 why he is released to decieve ALL the people of the Earth in every way possible. Putting darkness for light and light for darkness. To decieve the people in regards to where we are on Yahovahs prophetic timeline. To change the Sabbath, Holy days, and basically anything and everything Yahovah has created and called " good". To desicrate Yahovahs Temple ( which is us He NO longer dwells in temples made from man) . Then satan as to stir up the nation's against each other and then against His Annointed One/ones ( Yahushua & His people ) in His Holy City and on His Holy Mountain. Satan is going to do AGAIN what he previously did PRIOR to the Millennial Kingdom reign ( Revelation 19).

When we JUST read the scriptures and not take the time to simply do as Yahushua warned us. . .line upon line precept upon precept studying to show our selves approved by testing ALL things; we mistakenly miss out on so much of His message. I KNOW, I did this for years and while I did read them over and over while praying over them, I failed to actually study them. Every word ( jot ) and every punctuation ( tittle ).

May Yahovah bless you all as you seek Him and His TRUTH in ALL things .

Even Born again believers have the seed of sin remaining in them, these bodies as we know them, cannot carry this seed into heaven. Heaven has been restored, Satan has been cast out and is here on earth and Satan is an ally to our flesh. The length of chain is not described in Revelation and should be kept in mind.

Some people who gat saved during The Great Tribulation, will escape being murdered by the Antichrist. They never took the Mark of the Beast.

They will be taken to heaven as born again humans. Their bodies will not be transformed into eternal bodies yet. There will be marriages and children born.

After the 1000 years (?) Satan is going to be loosed to tempt THEM to follow Him.

For me, I would not want to be tempted by Satan after he just got released from 1000 years of Hell.

Bendito Palavra

Concerning the Law;

The everlasting Law God established with those that desire to be called His children still stands.

The 10 Commandments still stand.

Any time we sin we are under the Law.

Everyone sins: Everyday!

Blood ordinances were fulfilled by the death of Christ ( Matthew 26:28, Romans 2:29, Colossians 1:14)

Priestly duties connected to the sons of Aaron were fulfilled in Christ. ( Hebrews 8:1)

The Temple was destroyed; as promised: ( Matthew 24:2)

Deuteronomy 29:29

"The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children FOR EVER, that we may do all the words of this law."

1 Chronicles 16:17

"And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an EVERLASTING covenant,"

Ephesians 2:15

"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;"

Hebrews 7:12

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."

Matthew 27:51

"And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;"

All has not been fulfilled.

All will not be fulfilled until the return of Christ.

Believe the words of Jesus.

Mathew 5:18

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Concerning works;

Why would Jesus care to evaluate the WORKS of the churches that are on earth at the end times when He comes back if they don't matter? ( Revelation 2:2, 9, 13, 19. 3:1, 3:8, 3:15)

Also look at:

James 2:14-26 - "Faith without works is dead"

Revelation 14:13

Revelation 20:12

Eva Rabon,

The good people and the bad people go through the great tribulation.

Matthew 10:22

1 Corinthians 15:52

Revelation 2:26

I have a question. who are the people in the nations that the devil deceives after he is released from the bottomless pit ?

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them, and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Note: All these mention in verse 4 believed all GOD said concerning SALVATION through HIS SON (see John 3:16-21 or similar verses) thereby they WALKED BY FAITH, trusting in JESUS to ensure their name was written in THE BOOK OF LIFE /V 15... and look at where they sit /stand in verse 4.

The Church is never in "heaven" per se at the wedding ceremony. Everything takes place on earth. The Lord will dwell in Jerusalem when he returns.

Acts 1:6-12 The angel said the Lord will return in like manner.(Notice the Lord was on the Mt. of Olives when he left earth)

Zechariah 14:1-5 (Read the entire chapter) Notice verse 5 His feet shall stand that day upon the Mt. of Olives which is before Jerusalem on the east. (The entire chapter of Zechariah 14 takes place while the Lord is dwelling on earth)

Zechariah 14:9-11 Lord shall be king over all the earth.

Zechariah 14:16-19 The Feast of Tabernacles will be held in Jerusalem each year where Jesus will be dwelling.

Zechariah 8:1-8 Lord returns to Zion and dwells in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem will be called City of Truth. He will bring his people to Jerusalem to be his people and he their God. (This has not taken place yet; it's all future)

Isaiah 66:15-18;19-20;23-24 All flesh will come worship him from one new moon to another, one Sabbath to another. People who are in the lake of fire will not have their fire quenched. (this is all future)

Revelation 20:1-3 The Angel comes to bound Satan 1,000yrs. (This is the First resurrection) These saints will reign with Christ 1,000yrs.

I Thessalonins 3:13-17 The Lord coming with all his saints in the clouds. See Daniel 7

Daniel 7:1-3;13-14; (verse 13 remember the Lord said he's coming back in the clouds?)

Daniel 7:7-18;27 (verse 27 under the heaven is where Jesus' Kingdom will be)

Luke 1:26-27;30-33 (What did the angel tell Mary? Read verse 30-33.) That God promised DAvid someone would come through his lineage and sit on the throne of David. (Jesus will come to earth to sit on David's throne.)

Psalm 123:11-16 The Lord swore in truth to David he will sit upon David's throne. (Who are his children? the Saints).

David's throne will be in Jerusalem.

I will continue...

Hey Richard look at this

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

These died refusing to worship the beast and take the mark 666. They are with Christ and will live with him for the thousand year intro to the kingdom.

I would find another church if the pastor is that ignorant of scripture.

We certainly can't do it - but the power & authority given to the Angel from Heaven, can & will do it at the end of Christ's Millennial reign on Earth: Revelation 20:10:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth : Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours : and their works do follow them. Revelation 14:13. All we need to do is live with Jesus Christ by keeping His commandments. If we live in the Lord we will die in Him. No confusion at all.

1-3 above, we again see and learn of THE POWER OF GOD. Above IT restrained the enemy.



Note: This same POWER OF Jehovah /GOD in 1-3 is made available to us (see John 3:16-21 or similar verses) and when we daily rightly seek /draw-on this POWER OF GOD we individually are empowered by HIM to 'restrain our self' from being our own worse enemy. One of many examples of being my own worse enemy is: where applicable we became comfortable allowing ourselves to be deceived or we deceive ourselves by looking to /for fragile humans, money, or stuff to do for us that which GOD has reserved for HIMSELF to do for us through HIS POWER.

WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?

In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: (after the 2 witnesses appear)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. or rapture

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

There were children of God from Adam to christ's death who were in abraham's bossom.

Had christ not died and resurrected, they would remain there in limbo forever.

Abraham's bossom was next door to hell in the heart of the earth, with a huge space, (chasm) separating them.

I believe jesus stood or floated between them and preached the gospel while both sides listened.

The people in hell I don't believe repented. The bible says in revelation that they still cursed God...

Those in abraham's bossom were set free and now are with the Lord in heaven.

Anyone killed for the word of God and for jesus christ, are the souls under the altar in heaven. Rev.

The dead in christ resurrect just before the rapture. And people say the rapture happens before the tribulation.

If that were true, the resurrection of dead in christ would happen first, followed by a rapture.

But that's impossible. because a resurrection happens before the rapture.

When does the bible tell us that the first resurrection happens???

Revelation 20:1-6 says the first resurrection is after the tribulation after the beheadings.

So if nobody is resurrected until after the tribulation, how can a resurrection and rapture happen before the tribulation?? It cant!!

Therefore After the tribulation, Jesus appears in the clouds and the dead in christ rise. Everyone from Adam all the way to the believers from the tribulation.

Then those who are alive and remained from the tribulation, will be caught up and changed together with those who resurrected.

They all meet jesus in air and float to mount of olives. The tribes mourn because they see Jesus descending from the air with ten thousands of his saints. Then the thrones are set up and we rule and reign with Christ for a thousand years.

Hebrews 1:8 says that only jesus is called a son of God. So the Angel's are not sons.

I understand that job calls someone sons of God but its not fallen Angel's.

May God bless all who read this.

Take the mark 666 or not?

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

Revelation Chapter 16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and [upon] them which worshipped his image.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

I agree. As we read the Bible, we come up with slightly different perspectives and one of those has to do with the time of the Rapture.

Please, show me your timeline of events recorded in Scripture about the End Time? I will list mine below. Please clarify. Thanks.

1. THE ANTICHRIST. Daniel 7-12

Daniel 9:27 - And he will confirm a covenant with many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of the temple will come the abomination that causes desolation, until the decreed destruction is poured out upon him.

2. THE ANTICHRIST EXALTS HIMSELF OVER GOD IN THE TEMPLE.

Matthew 24:15 - when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination of desolation

3. THE GREAT TRIBUALTION.

Matthew 24:21 - at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world

Revelation 7:14 - These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 20:4 - I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the Beast.

4. THE COMING OF CHRIST and RAPTURE.

2 Thessalonians 2:1 - Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to Him

Matthew 24:3 - when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming

Matthew 24:29 - Immediately after the tribulation

Daniel 7:13 - and I saw One like a Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven

1 Thessalonians 4 - we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds

Mark 13:26 - At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.d And He will send out the angels to gather His elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of heaven.

Revelation 18:4, - Come out of her, My people.

19:1f For the marriage of the Lamb.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a SAVIOUR, which is CHRIST the LORD.

Note: This SAVIOR /CHRIST the LORD is born and HE shall establish SALVATION for all of us /mankind. Through CHRIST (see John 3:16-21) the opportunity to be SAVED is made available to all, thereby we can rightly return to JEHOVAH /GOD and avoid Revelation 20:15.

Bob,

I believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, and I have never once made the claim that there is a second phase of the first resurrection listed in Revelation 20:4-6. Did someone tell you that? There is only one rapture of the church and it is mentioned in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17, and it takes place prior to the 7 year tribulation period. That is my understanding, and not just mine, but many others.

If you want to believe you will go through God's wrath during the tribulation period, if it happens during our lifetime, I don't have a problem with that. Really, I don't. I don't know why it would bother you that I believe in a pre-trib rapture? From my understanding in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, God has not appointed us believers unto wrath, so I do not believe that God is going to pour His judgment out on any believer.

Again, if you believe you're going to be there when His wrath is being poured out, I don't have an issue with that. If I may ask, since you do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture of the church, are you mid-trib, or post-trib? I'm sorry, but I can't agree with what you are saying. And I hope you are not accusing me of adding to the bible. You are also in disagreement with me, but I would never make such an accusation against anyone for simply disagreeing with my understanding.

WHEN IS THE RAPTURE / RESURRECTION?

In Revelation 20:4-6 the last book of the Bible there are only 2 more FUTURE Resurrections (Raptures) spoken of: after the 2 witnesses appear

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the FIRST RESURRECTION. rapture

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In the above scriptures, these are the Martyrs. John said "this is the first resurrection." John didn't say this is the "second phase of the first resurrection," as pre-tribbers claim.

If this is the FIRST resurrection, can there be a resurrection before this one? Of course not, unless you want to ADD to the bible

The First Resurrection is of the dead in Christ and the Second is after 1000 years. Paul wrote that the Dead in Christ MUST rise FIRST, THEN we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

16 ...and the dead in Christ shall RISE FIRST

17 THEN we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them...

In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Beast during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!

the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this comes at the end of the tribulation.

no he wont repent satan home is hell.

The dialogue is from the beginning, in 2Peter 3:3, and by verse 8; the KJVReader is on the fourth day, looking to the fifth day and sixth day with the six, "thousand years," in Revelation 20:2-7."

As well, I've not given any further comment on 2 Pet 3:8, as I believe that I've given the natural & logical understanding of that verse as it ties in with the preceding verses, esp, vv 3 & 4.

The dialogue is from the beginning, in 2Peter 3:3, and by verse 8 the KJVReader is on the fourth day, looking to the fifth day and sixth day in Revelation 20:1-7.

It is all about perspective. You are looking at scripture as though all happened within the Universe we live in Today. The KJVInterpret looks at scripture from the beginning, everlasting first days; the second day, and third day, and considers these to be the places of origin. I can think of very few places in the KJVBible in which scripture may originate from this Universe. There is, "he made the stars also," in Genesis 1:16, and there is, "Beloved," in 2Peter 3:7,8, with the two, "thousand years'" referencing the six, "thousand years,'" in Revelation 20:2-7 having two tellings for the fifth day and the beginning of the six day in verse seven.

The Apostles creed (I believe) is not in the Bible. The Vatican wants us to believe they were responsible for it.

The Greek churches as well as Rome hammered out the Creeds.

Part 3 NICENE CREED:

And I believe in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life; who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets.

[ John 15:26, John 16:13, John 14:26]

And I believe one holy catholic (catholic means universal, not Rome)

and apostolic Church.

[ Ephesians 4:5]

I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins; and I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

[ Acts 19:4, Acts 22:16, 1 Corinthians 12:13, Mark 1:8, John 11:25, 1 Peter 1:3, Revelation 20:6]