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OLD AND NEW COVENANT

These two covenants are as far apart as the east is from the west.

Revelation 21:5 ......I make ALL THINGS NEW ........

In the Old Covenant, LIFE was in the BLOOD.

Flesh and Blood CANNOT inherit the NEXT AGE.

Christ came as a BODY of Flesh and Blood.

John 3:7 .....ye must be BORN AGAIN.

We CANNOT inherit the next age, because we are still flesh and blood.

When this BODY of flesh and blood DIES, it goes back to dust from whence it came.

The LIFE goes back to GOD that gave the BODY LIFE.

1 Corinthians 15:49 ....we SHALL bear the image of the heavenly ....

1 Corinthians 15:53 ...this mortal SHALL PUT ON IMMORTALITY (Christ) ...

1 Timothy 6:16 Who (CHRIST) ONLY hath immortality ....

1 Corinthians 15:38 God giveth it (the NEW COVENANT IN CHRIST) a BODY as it hath pleased, and to ever SEED HIS (Christ's) own BODY (I AM the RESURRECTION John 11:25)

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.

John 3:16 Whosoever BELIEVES SHALL (at the DEATH of this flesh and blood body) BE SAVED .....Delivered.

Revelation 12:1 ...A WOMAN (Christ bride) .....

Revelation 12:2 An she (Christ's bride) being with CHILD cried, travailing in BIRTH, and pained to be DELIVERED (given a BODY to exist in the NEW COVENANT.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man Child, who was to RULE ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron .....

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh (the deception of this age, free will) and keepeth MY WORKS ( Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD that WORKETH IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure), to him will I give power over the nation.

Revelation 2:27 And he shall RULE THEM with a red of iron, even as I received of MY FATHER ( Psalms 2:8-9) ...

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father OF ALL .....

Christ pour out his blood, and the flesh and blood BODY, DIED.

The Father RAISED Christ's BODY from the GRAVE and gave him a NEW BODY.

A Flesh and Bone BODY, the blood no longer the LIFE; but, the LIFE was SPIRIT.

John 4:24 God is SPIRIT (LIFE) ....

God Bless ALL.

Hi Dennis , I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about but I think I agree . Anyone who tries to use notes from someone else or cheat sheets as you call them is only cheating themselves out of reading the most awesome book written by our Lord God Himself ! How foolish would that be ! Very !

It would be better to not use "Bible Cheat Sheets", but to change the name to something more Christian.

Golden candlestick: Zechariah 4:2-6, Proverbs 20:27,

Exodus 25:31,32, placement, Exodus 26:35, Leviticus 24:4, Hebrews 9:1-28,

Jeremiah 52:19,

Matthew 5:14-16,

Revelation 1:12-20, Revelation 2:1-5, Revelation 11:3-4, Revelation 22,

Hopefully these are helpful in your study

Dear "Shaa Rei" u wrote: He that KNOWETH My name shall be saved. Is it a confusion with lowercase and uppercase letters here? And u wrote: So also, in trials and tribulations , we too must seek our new name. ???

If i am going to search and find my new name, a new rule? Can you please elaborate on this a bit more. It was a bit of a long search for me at least.

On righteous works yes and Revelation 2:17 and Revelation 3:12

God bless u, love u in Christ. Hebrew 10:7 Isaiah 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

Everything is for Jesus. We stand in the radiance of Jesus Christ.

Amen Shaa Rei:

Do you KNOW YOUR NEW NAME?

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory; and thou shall be called by a NEW NAME, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what he saith to the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a NEW NAME written, which no man KNOWETH SAVING he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12 And he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall no more go out, and I will WRITE UPON HIM THE NAME OF MY GOD, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him MY new NAME.

You are baptised into THE NAME OF JESUS.

You are the BODY OF CHRIST.

Ephesians 4:4 ONE BODY and ONE SPIRIT .....

God Bless You.

GRACE_ambassador {ChrisE}

Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

2 Timothy 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith: (8) Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

Revelation 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: (be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.)

Revelation 3:21 To him that (overcometh) will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Hi Lynne,

There have been many discussions about this. People differ in opinion. James 1:5, I ask you pray for wisdom & discernment of truth.

Why do you ask, this question like this?

1st we have Luke 16,

Then we have Paradise mentioned 3 times, in: Luke 23:39-46, 2Corinthians 12:2-4, Revelation 2:7,

Out of the Grave: Ezekiel 37:12,13, Matthew 27:52,53, John 5:28,

Judgement : Matthew 25:31-46, Matthew 7, Romans 14:12, 1Peter 4:1-5, Matthew 12:36,

Jesus being the 1st born: Romans 8:29-39,

Hopefully these are helpful

"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." Revelation 2:20

Many scriptures show that those who have been saved must still endure faithfully to the end. ( Matthew 24:13; Hebrews 10:36; 12:2, 3; Revelation 2:10)

First-century Christians expressed joy when they learned that fellow believers were enduring in their faith. ( 1 Thessalonians 1:2, 3; 3 John 3, 4)

Does it seem reasonable that the Bible would stress faithful endurance if those who did not endure would be saved anyway?

Hi John.

Here's the verse you mentioned in context. Picking it up from the previous verse. John 11:25-26. Jesus said unto her, I AM THE RESURRECTION, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

I believe the Lord is talking about the second death as seen here in Revelation.

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death. Revelation 2:11.

Also Revelation 20:6.

When we are born again we are Identified with Christ death. "Baptism. Romans 6:2-6.

Christ is the first fruit.

"But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming."

1 Corinthians 15:20-23.

It means we won't face judgment.

God bless.

Brother Mark:

I have a question?

Is the best you can do, good enough?

Maybe it's not our doing, but Christ's doing.

Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .... Christ in you .....

Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) working in you (his body) both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into HIS (Christ's) REST, he has ceased from his WORKS .....

We are the BODY, Christ is the LIFE.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keeps MY WORKS unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations ....

God Bless You!

But we can't have grace without faith.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: ( Ephesians 2:8)

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. ( James 2:26)

Therefore, to believe the entire Bible and not just parts of the Bible we would need to say we are saved by both grace and works.

And many Biblical passages confirm this:

Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. ( James 4:7)

Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. ( Hebrews 4:11)

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; ( Hebrews 5:9)

and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. ( Revelation 2:23)

And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: ( Revelation 2:26)

I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. ( 1 John 2:13)

To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, ( Revelation 2:7)

He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. ( Revelation 21:7)

Sister Kay:

You are exactly right WE DIE daily.

Our mind of flesh being renewed to the mind of Christ.

We can only come to the TRUTH of the NEW BIRTH, it happens at the death of this body.

There is ONLY ONE LIFE, CHRIST, and Christ is God.

Our body of flesh dies, LIFE (God) continues, we switch BODIES.

1 Corinthians 15:38 ...and to every SEED; HIS (Christ is the SEED) own body. Seed always begats the same seed.

It is beyond our mind of flesh to comprehend that Christ can live in us, yet can also appear as a man walking in flesh.

This is what we can look forward to.

Christ said that where he is we will be also; Christ is IN CREATION bringing creation to TRUTH and LIFE.

We as priest (with the body of Christ) in HIS Kingdom, the likeness of Christ, will be IN CREATION bringing creation to TRUTH and LIFE.

Revelation 10:11 ....thou must prophesy again (in your new body) before many peoples and nations, and tongues, and kings.

Go ye into all the world teaching and preaching the gospel of the kingdom. This is only possibly in the next AGE (world).

Read and study: Isaiah 66:18-24 and Jeremiah 51:19-33 and Revelation 2:26-27

These are prophecy about the Sons of God, we not a perfect Son of God till we leave this AGE (world).

Hebrews 12:23 ...... and to the spirits of just men made PERFECT.

God Bless YOU!

You write, "Are you aware of the practice of writing something and attributing it to someone postumously?" Yes, I'm well aware. But one would have a hard time trying to disprove Paul's authorship of the Corinthian Epistles. If that can happen there, then where else in God's Word? Does then the authenticity of any biblical writing depend on what we believe is correct or on what those more informed than us have studied, verified & canonized? Thus far, I've found Paul's writings on par, repeat, on par with all of Christ's teachings.

That aside, I would introduce you to 1 Corinthians 10:18-33 which may further lend support to what I've shared earlier. Again, Paul iterates that the meat offered to idols is nothing. This is not a Christian going to a temple, being offered the sacrificed meat to eat & then partakes of it there. Paul speaks of eating of meat as sold in the marketplace ('shambles'), whether sacrificed meat or not, is perfectly appropriate to eat by the Christian as the idol is nothing (a lump of wood or stone). But he would refuse to eat this 'retail' meat if it meant that a brother's conscience is affected by it. Paul had freedom to eat anything, but love & concern of the other person constrained him.

In Revelation 2:18-20, Jezebel (whoever she was or represented), promoted fornication & eating of meats offered to idols. These are specific acts of wickedness, as of 'free love & partaking of temple offerings'. Does Paul ever advocate this? Rather, he denounces any form of fornication ( 1 Corinthians 6:18-20) & partaking in the "table of devils" ( 1 Corinthians 10:20-21). But he does allow eating of meats that may have been offered to idols, but sold in the shambles, because that is still only meat untainted with any devilish impurities. But not all have a clear conscience about that, & so they don't eat the meat & Paul abstains also for their sakes.

If you believe this is still all speculation, then that's your choice, as also the choice of other readers.

Not only does 1st Corinthians teach things in opposition to the instruction of our Lord in the Gospel of John and the instruction of the Holy Ghost in Acts 15, consider what Jesus is reported to have said in Revelation 2:20 "Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." 1st Corinthians Chapter 8 is the only instruction I'm aware of that teaches Jesus' servants it's okay to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Jesus and the Holy Ghost and the Apostles and Elders and Paul and I say it's not okay to eat things sacrificed unto idols.

I'm not interested in your speculation.

I speculated the same things myself.

I suggested: if one invites a Jew to dinner, they should not serve pork.

Then, I heard this message:

"Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols." Revelation 2:20

Jesus and the Holy Ghost teache the entire Church of God:

Christians must abstain from eating meats offered to idols.

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears,

ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye." Acts 7:51

Amen Brother Jesse.

We can take those messages right down where the rubber meets the road. They are also messages to the individual.

( HE THAT HATH AN EAR, LET HIM HEAR WHAT THE SPIRIT SAITH UNTO THE CHURCHES; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.) Revelation 2:7.

God bless.

I believe these are the 7 churches written of beginning at Revelation 2:12.

You can go on Google and read commentaries on those 7 churches.

Type each one like this:

Pergamos Church, Bible, Commentary

Mishael

Brother Richard:

John wasn't told to write to the Churches of Asia, BUT:

Revelation 1:29 The mystery .......the stars are the ANGELS of the seven churches .....

Revelation 2:1 Unto the ANGEL of the church in Ephesus WRITE;

Revelation 2:8 Unto the ANGEL of the church in Smyrna WRITE;

Revelation 2:12 Unto the ANGEL of the church in Pergamos WRITE;

Revelation 2:18 Unto the ANGEL of the church in Thyatire WRITE;

Revelation 3:1 And unto the ANGEL of the church in Sardis WRITE;

Revelation 3:7 And to the ANGEL of the church in Philadelphia WRITE;

Revelation 3:14 And unto the ANGEL of the church of the Laodiceans Write;

God Bless YOU!

You're right. There are some useful videos on YouTube about the Jezebel Spirit. It is demonic. It likes to seduce men of power or authority. It goes after women as much as it does the men. You could talk to your Pastor about a future teaching on this.

The Bible warns us to be alert.

1 Kings 19

1 Kings chapter 21

2 Kings 9

Revelation 2:20

1 Kings 16:31 origins

Read through to see her seductions of people

Greek translation of Biblical in the Gospels= (Internet research ) Greek = "Metaonia" - "meta" = "after", bears the concept of "shift", or "change",

Repent= the act of leaving what GOD prohibited & returning to what HE commanded.

Revelation 2:5, Matthew 3:2, Luke 13:3-9, Exodus 20:14,

Where does it say to be sorry, because of our trespass?

Remember the woman: John 8:1-12, Psalms 130:4,

James 2, Matthew 25:31-46, Ezekiel 33:11,

Luke 9:23, Matthew 16:24, Mark 8:34, Romans 8:13, Matthew 10:28, Colossians 1:10-23, Ephesians 5:1-20, Jude 1:24-25,

Hopefully these are helpful

This verse is often cited when referring to the collapse of godly authority. The Hebrew phrasing here can be taken in more than one way. This is most often translated as asking "if-or when-this happens, what can good people then do?" Another possibility is to render this as asking "what have good people accomplished?" In either case, this verse warns of catastrophic results when fundamental principles are destroyed. In David's immediate case, this refers to his role as Israel's king and the consequences of abandoning that role. In a more general sense, it speaks to the ruin a society will face when the most basic aspects of godliness are removed.

David knew what would happen if the enemy triumphed. Because he was Israel's king, if the enemy succeeded, the nation's very foundations would be destroyed. Law and order grounded in righteousness and justice, under the headship of the godly king, would crumble. Evil and chaos would ensue. What could the righteous do in such a situation? Of course, David believed he would prevail. He was sure that law and order would continue. His trust was in the Lord ( Psalm 11:4), therefore he was confident the enemy would not triumph.

Years later, God allowed Babylon to carry Israel into captivity because of her idolatry and neglect of the Sabbath. In both a symbolic and literal sense, the foundations were destroyed-including the demolition of the temple from its cornerstones. But in his perfect timing, God raised up Ezra to return to Jerusalem and lay the foundation ( Ezra 3). If doctrinal error destroys a church's foundation of truth, believers must restore the foundation before any healing can happen. Congregations must heed the Lord's admonitions to be and do what He desires ( Revelation 2:3)

The foundation of law and must be repaired and supported by the God loving community.

Our Spirits talk at each other. I know you are blessed by God. I enjoyed all verses you gave, every word in those chapters spoke clearly to me. All things work together for good for those who truly love God. Thank you my fellow bride in Christ. My prayers have been answered.

Grace to you and peace from our God, The Father in Heaven and The Lord Jesus Christ.

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Romans 8:28 KJV

Our Spirits talk at each other. I know you are blessed by God. I enjoyed all verses you gave, every word in those chapters spoke clearly to me. All things work together for good for those who truly love God. Thank you my fellow bride in Christ. My prayers have been answered.

Grace to you and peace from our God, The Father in Heaven and The Lord Jesus Christ.

Ronnette:

1 Timothy 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the saviour of ALL MEN, specially those that believe.

What do you think is going to happen when Christ resurrects those in the graves back to their bodies of flesh the second time; UNTO JUDGEMENT.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature (creation) WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the SONS OF GOD (those that believe in this age of grace).

Romans 8:21 Because the creature (creation) ITSELF also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption (the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God (when they are judged).

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (those that died in unbelief) the judgement written, this HONOUR hath all his saints (those that believed).

Isaiah 26:9 ....an when thy judgements (of the saints) are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world SHALL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been SUBDUED to him ...... GOD WILL BE ALL IN ALL.

God Bless YOU!

The more I read the entire Bible after the wisdom and knowledge hidden treasures from God, and of the Father, and of Jesus Christ, I do believe the seven churches refers to the true believers. One must examine their own self. You will find that the prophesy applies to all true believers. Otherwise, John would not write all the warnings given by God.

I testify fully how the words speak to me. I walk only in the Spirit of God after the knowledge of the blood Jesus did to redeem me knowing I am a sinner according to the law.

My fellow bride of Christ, the time is short. I see and talked to people about the truth according to what is written only in the KJV Bible. We cannot make them see what we see and read.

I would ask a fervent prayers and fasting for saving as many as we can saved.

I was just looking for more believers to do these prayers and fasting with me until Jesus comes in the cloud.

Tribulation definition online: "a cause of great trouble or suffering"

Deuteronomy 4:29,30,31, 1Samuel 26:24, Matthew 13:20-21, John 16:33, Acts 14:22, Romans 5:3, Romans 8:35-39, Romans 12:12, 2Corinthians 1:3-5, 1Thessalonians 3:4, 2Thessalonians 1:6, Revelation 1:9, Revelation 2:9,10,22,

There seems to be a difference between tribulation & The great Tribulation,

Matthew 24:21, Romans 2, Revelation 7:14,

Matthew 24:3-51, Mark 13:4-37,

This Chapter should open our eyes to the State and condition of the church today 2:6 the "Nicolaitans" He says I hate! If the "CHURCH " would really Seek the true WORD of today , they would realize why we Aren't the Book of ACTS Today , but should be!! Idolatry and Pagan traditions of man has saturated Gods house and Replaced the Holy Spirit with Man's agenda! God Help us and Forgive us!!

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE SAINTS JUDGE THE WORLD?

1 Corinthians 6:2 Do you not know that the saints shall judge the world?

1 Corinthians 6:3 Know ye not that we (the saints) shall judge angles?

Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them (the world) the judgement written: This honour hath all his saints ......

Revelation 2:26 And he (the saint) that overcometh and keepeth MY WORKS unto the end, to him (the saint) will I give power over the nations.

Revelation 2:27 And he (the saint) shall rule them (the world) with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers; even as I received of my Father.

Psalms 2:8 Ask of me (the Father) and I (the Father) shall give thee (Christ) the heathen (the world) for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the world for thy (Christ) possession.

Psalms 2:9 Thou shall break them with a rod of iron; thou shall dash them in pieces as a potter's vessel.

Psalms 2:10 Be wise therefore, O ye kings (the saints): be ye instructed, ye JUDGES (the saints) of the earth.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I WILL MAKE THEM (the world), which are of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are JEWS ( they say they are born again of the word of God) and are not; but do lie, Behold I WILL MAKE THEM to come and worship before thy feet, and TO KNOW that I have loved you.

1 Corinthians 4:21 What will ye? Shall I come to you with a ROD, or in love with the spirit of meekness?

Isaiah 26:9 .....when thy judgements (of the saints) are in the earth, the inhabitants or the world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS ......

God bless you!